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Doi: Read the thread again from page 1, then read it again... You'll get the idea that this has very little to do with photography itself but how you do approach this as a business. It applies to virtually any service-based start-ups.
[this is such a great thread. kudos to mr marlo for starting this and to mr gamboa for providing a different perspective, to ms harvey chua sharing an opinion coming from an established name in the photography community. this "classic" argument couldn;t come at a better time im sure, not just for me but for eveyone who had a lot of questions but are afraid to post them here. hope to read more. great day everyone.
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Very nice, interesting, and informative thread! I stumbled upon this thread when actually I was searching for ideas for online portfolio where I can display my most recent gig -- it was free though. I don't think that I've low-balled myself here as this is my FIRST ever gig. I consider it as my capital, my initial investment into a new level of my hobby and hopefully be a part-timer then turn pro. I may or may not get anything tangible yet but I know I will in the future.
With the first experience, I've learned a lot and this thread did come at the right time. God do let things fall into place.
There's a lot of truth in the previous posts -- some points can really hurt the ego but the truth really hurts and I believe that accepting the truth is the first step to learning. Accept that one needs to learn.
Cheers to all!
Very Good thread and informative....
If I may share...I've read and known about this predicament for a while now and its been a problem for photogs around the world...I remember reading about a guy who landed a cover for the Time Magazine and got about $25 for his picture (or some other absurdly low price) because his picture was taken from a stock photography site....I understand that people's livelihood are at stake and I believe that we are all in the same spirit of wishing everyone well but it is what it is...Digital SLR wont go away, the internet will continue to make information easy and accessible.
Is the hobbyist to blame? the part timer?...this change was brought about by the times...think of music and napster...think of the assembly line and the specialized robots...stretch it a bit more and we can even maybe draw a line with call centers in India and in the philippines "stealing" work from angry western workers because a filipino in the philippines is paid maybe 5x cheaper than an american doing the same job in the states...
Economics and Technology are at play as much as the people practicing this craft...it has been noted that change is difficult....indeed it is. Ive read varying opinions some criticizing the photographer for hurting the industry because that cover could have gone to a professional working for a living..some criticizing the critics for being dinosaurs clinging to a business model that is getting more obsolete by the day...
we might be in the middle of a transition for the photography industry...it may take a year or 10 i dunno but technolgy is like a freakin pandora's box....I only hope that whatever form it takes could still be a reasonable form of livelihood for I too would love to shoot for a living..
just my 2 cents
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^ You already mentioned it. Technology makes it possible to use assembly lines for almost everything making things cost-efficient and therefore making products cost less.
Technology enables us to work smarter and not harder.
@ Mam Harvey and Sir David.
Looks like there is misunderstanding. What I meant was what are the other playing fields for the amateurs. I am wondering where else I can earn from photography even in a small amount. Sure I can come up with a studio rental business or something like that, though I want to earn more with my pictures.
anyway all is well
Spent my three days (online time) to read this whole thread... truly, a good read... an eye opener.
I wonder why this thread is not yet 'Sticky'.
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It took me the entire afternoon to read and understand (a little ) the entire thread. This really deserve to be 'Sticky'
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