If I were in a market for a Canon cam, should I wait for the 400D or get the 30D? :RedEye:

since i am already using the 30D, i would get a 400D for a back-up.

if i dont have the 30D yet, i would wait for the 400D basically for its lower cost and better features. but i would still be guilty for not getting the 30D for its professional solid feel and better performance.

get the 30D. don't wait for the 400D.

well not unless we get a special shipping i guess the 400D might take a lil while before we can see them here...although i was expecting the same sa sony and i was surprised that our shops here already have them in stock.

I guess if I needed a new Canon cam, I would need what's in the 30D more than than what the 400D has to offer. :D

I was all set to get the 30D, but that's a LOT of new features on the 400d.

Improved from 350d: quicker setting adjustment using half press instead of set button, improved grip

Same with the 30d: buffer, 9pt focusing sensitive to f2.8, rgb histogram, 2.5" lcd, image magnification on record view, picture styles, 1000 files per folder, & (claimed) comparable noise

New features on 400D not found on either 350/30D (very likely be on the 30d replacement): 10mp,sensor cleaning, better camera software, proximity sensor, cheaper price

Are the "extra" features worth it on the 30D:
better viewfinder, 3200 iso, better build, better grip, more durable shutter, joystick, spot metering, larger battery, dial on back

So unless you need the durability or have 20D accessories already, without looking at the 30D replacement, I'd say that's a very strong argument for the 400D.

I guess if I needed a new Canon cam, I would need what's in the 30D more than than what the 400D has to offer. :D

exactly! for me, the extra megapixels won't matter a lot since in weddings, with my 30D, i usually shoot in medium-fine most of the time (large-fine during portraits)... and the anti-dust ek-ek? geez, my rocket blower would do a better job than that one, mwehehe... and surely by the time i'll be upgrading to an FF DSLR, that anti-dust and other upcoming enthralling features would surely be integrated in the cam (7D maybe? :D)

-bry

The 30D is in a different class altogether. Feature for feature it seems that the 400D offers more value but more than the 2MP and questionable low pass filter with built-in dust cleaning its really the subtle features that make all the difference. The size, weight, top lcd, controls (dial)..overall build are the major advantages of the 30D for me. This is especially important if you have several lenses for your cam body and if you have shoots where you want a lot of control over your settings quickly with the least hassle..

If I were in a market for a Canon cam, should I wait for the 400D or get the 30D? :RedEye:



It depends on your type of photography, John.


If you shoot, sports, birds, and maybe even weddings, 5fps is something you will need. 2mp is not going to replace 5fps. The lack of dial at the back, may also be a handicap if you are PJ or like to shoot manual most of the time.

If you have a 20d/30d, then the 400d as a 2nd body is good. Cheap, and my 10-22 ef-s, can sure use that extra 2mp to add detail to people's heads in group shots.

If you are a landscape shooter, get the 400d. 5fps, and that dial in the back, won't be that much of a liability. But that extra 2mp might be useful to resolve leaves, grass, flowers, etc.

BTW, the 400d is also rated at 100,000 shutter clicks too, like the 30d.

I call the 400d the 30D jr.

-Mel

that frikking dial at the back.....damn convenient....some people would say its worth it just for that dial alone hehehehe....

Not just the dial... the joystick too. I use it to select focus points. That's why users who have used the dials on the 10D and higher models find it a blessing and will really make it easier to go full manual instead of just sticking to Av most of the time on the cameras that use cross keys.

oh man, i just got a 30D less than a week ago. and this release has really kept me scratching my head.

for me the 30D is still more of a camera than the 400D not just on its built but also its performance. there's a reason why the rebel series are called "entry-level" cams and the 2-digit cams (10D, 20D, 30D) are the "mid-range" cameras. yes, the new features of the 400D are really nice and something to think about but what's really bothering me is when canon will release the replacement for 30D (maybe with 10mp as well and all the other features of the 400D not present in the 30D). it's really going to make me feel bad about my purchase if it comes out this year or anytime soon. drat.

yes, i'm really happy with the 30D but of course it's painful to realize that you could've gotten better if you waited just a little bit longer.. what do you think guys? did i make a bad move? it's killing me. hehe :D


best,

John

He he he

@John,

Anything you buy with electronics in it starts to become obsolete the moment you open the box. Whether it's one minute, 1 week or 1 year old.

If it's any consolation, I just browsed your multiply site and I can't tell if you used a 300D, 350D, D50, D70 or even a 1D. They are GOOD!

So why let it bother you now just because you found out there's something newer out there? Let's take pictures!

When your 30D is old, just get the 40D and then the 400D owners will get pissed too...

When your 30D is old, just get the 40D and then the 400D owners will get pissed too...
nyahahaha :Grin::Grin::Grin:

i wish i wouldnt get hung-up on gear. at least not like nung point-and-shoot days ko...


grabe, as ken rockwell would comment.... the finest masterpieces in photography were taken with cameras most rank amateurs today would find wanting....

If you really want gear lust... I suggest you accumulate lenses. They last longer and don't get obsolete nearly as fast.

A 10D with a 70-200 F2.8 still gets more looks than a 1D with a standard 50mm lens.

If you really want gear lust... I suggest you accumulate lenses. They last longer and don't get obsolete nearly as fast.

A 10D with a 70-200 F2.8 still gets more looks than a 1D with a standard 500mm lens.

Dave, what's a standard 500 mm lens? Even a 500 mm f/8 mirror will look impressive on a 1D.
(Just kidding... I know you meant 50 mm.. :Grin: )

Romy

My BAD!!!!

Editing it... Thanks Romy!

My personal preference would still be the 30D. Mainly for three reasons: spot metering, 3200 ISO, dial at the back.

How can the 400D have a better grip than the 30D? the 400D has the same body dimensions as the 350D. The 350D has a bad grip for people with big hands. The 30D's grip is simillar to the 20D.

according to dpreview, the 400D will only feature an ISO of up to 1600.

i'm now using a 350D and if i have money, i'll go for the 30D rather the 400D. i guess for canon slrs, the smaller the model number, the closer to the professional class model.\

- my 2 cents. :)

He he he

@John,

Anything you buy with electronics in it starts to become obsolete the moment you open the box. Whether it's one minute, 1 week or 1 year old.

If it's any consolation, I just browsed your multiply site and I can't tell if you used a 300D, 350D, D50, D70 or even a 1D. They are GOOD!

So why let it bother you now just because you found out there's something newer out there? Let's take pictures!

When your 30D is old, just get the 40D and then the 400D owners will get pissed too...

wow thanks for the warm remarks dave, you're leaving me in a blush man haha!

yeah i guess you're right, i guess i should be thankful and appreciative instead of worried that i even have a 30D right now. i just used to stare at it outside camera shops, never actually thought of owning one. i guess it's just human nature to be asking for more all the time and it can be such a bad thing.

you're right dave, let's just take pictures!


John

The 350D has a bad grip for people with big hands. The 30D's grip is simillar to the 20D.

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agree. i used to have a 350D it felt like a toy on my big hands even with the battery grip... the 30D without the battery grip won't fit my hands also! big hands can be a burden sometime huh?? hehe :D

John

Not just the dial... the joystick too. I use it to select focus points. That's why users who have used the dials on the 10D and higher models find it a blessing and will really make it easier to go full manual instead of just sticking to Av most of the time on the cameras that use cross keys.

Yes, Dave. I forgot about that too. That joystick is very handy.

In essence, for those control freaks or those who want to change settings quickly, the 20d/30d have these advantages that the 400d can never hope to equal, without you doing finger gymnastics.


-Mel

john: big hands, big feet... you know what they say! LOL! Just kidding =b

my bro's been bugging me about what camera to buy also, told him to wait for the 400d.. is that a sound advice?

i mean, as soon as the 400d comes out, prices for the 350d will go lower right? or should he just get the 400d as soon as it comes out? is it priced as an entry level as well?

i'm sorry, i'm not in the know with regards to the 400d =b enlighten me please! =)

john: big hands, big feet... you know what they say! LOL! Just kidding =b

my bro's been bugging me about what camera to buy also, told him to wait for the 400d.. is that a sound advice?

i mean, as soon as the 400d comes out, prices for the 350d will go lower right? or should he just get the 400d as soon as it comes out? is it priced as an entry level as well?

i'm sorry, i'm not in the know with regards to the 400d =b enlighten me please! =)

oh yeah, we all know that! hehehe :D does he have big hands as well? because if he does, he might eventually be looking for a 30D or so. the 350D's so cute in terms of size kasi, same goes for te 400D i guess. hehe

best,

John

I agree with Mel. For others the features of the 30D will give them what they need. Meanwhile, the 400D may give others what they need.

In the same way that sports photogs use the 1DMk2N @ 8MP and not the 1DsMk2 @ 16MP.

It depends on your type of photography, John.
<--SNIP-->
-Mel

john: not to my concern =b he does have long thing fingers though... hmmm... Lol!

i'll just have him test out the 350d i guess..

i told him if he could spring a couple more thousand, he can get a 20d instead... last time i checked its around 60g nalang?! please correct me if i'm wrong =)

Tok, the 30D is up for grabs @ 65k! the 20D... well much cheaper!

Thanks guys! =)

john: not to my concern =b he does have long thing fingers though... hmmm... Lol!

i'll just have him test out the 350d i guess..

i told him if he could spring a couple more thousand, he can get a 20d instead... last time i checked its around 60g nalang?! please correct me if i'm wrong =)

Tok, why don't you ask your brother to try an Oly E500. This will allow him to share some lenses and accessories with you. And Dex's E500 is with 2 lens kit is going for less than 30k. Ooops OT this is not an Oly thread...

If you really want gear lust... I suggest you accumulate lenses. They last longer and don't get obsolete nearly as fast.


When I grow up, I want to be like Tito Dave, he knows how to spend his hard earned money! As the saying goes, "when it itches, scratch it!":D :D

ah, basta ako isipin ko na lang na pang-upend ng Canon ang 400D laban sa Sony Alpha 100 DSLR. Same specs lang naman sila. Well, almost. The A100 has an advantage in lenses - Sony's, Zeiss', and Konica Minolta's A mounts. isipin ko rin na kaya 10mp's sila ay dahil yan ang gusto ng mga consumers - more pixels, better pictures for them. easy to sell them when you got MP's that high.

nawala na tuloy yung used to be 'prosumer' cams like Canon's PowerShot G6, Nikon's Coolpix 8800... kasi dahil sa mga entry-level SLR's na yan... parang pumalit tuloy yung mga zoomers like the Canon S3 IS, Pana's DMC-FZ30....

cant wait to grab 30D.... OT question... is 2nd hand(from a hobbyist ) 20D with battgrip and two batts still worth it for 40k?

i believe so! I'd take it!

talaga lang dex ha? hehehe dark side dark side . . .

I agree with Mel. For others the features of the 30D will give them what they need. Meanwhile, the 400D may give others what they need.

In the same way that sports photogs use the 1DMk2N @ 8MP and not the 1DsMk2 @ 16MP.

correct! just buy the one you think is suitable for the way you approach photography. randy just gave a good example. :)

I got my 20D second hand for a lot more than 40k a few months ago. No lens, no battery grip, just one battery :D

cant wait to grab 30D.... OT question... is 2nd hand(from a hobbyist ) 20D with battgrip and two batts still worth it for 40k?

hmmm 30d it is...

i would still go for the 30d (hopefully in the next few days)...
from what i understand the 400d has 10.1 megapixels but on a slightly smaller censor as compared to the 30d...what i also don't like with the 400d is that all camera (shooting mode, pics left, battery gauge, etc.) are shown using the LCD so you will have to keep on turning the LCD on just to check your settings...i would prefer to have them on separate displays...that's just me

Same here, after mulling over the new features of the 400d vs the 30d. The features i really want are in both cameras, it's not like the 400d is much better in any of those areas. I've only had to clean my sensor once in 15 months anyway. But after shooting with my 350d this morning and getting hand cramps, suddenly the decision is much easier. 30d it is.
The pricing for the 400d is likely to be a little higher in the beginning anyway.

Best price i got from Avenue is 65500 though.

cant wait to grab 30D.... OT question... is 2nd hand(from a hobbyist ) 20D with battgrip and two batts still worth it for 40k?

yep, i'd buy 1 too. the 20D and the 30D have the same sensor. major upgrades lang naman ay yung 2.5" LCD, spot metering, and Picture Styles. buti na lang i waited long enough for the successor to the 20D. either that, or i was prompted to buy another camera (the 30D!) because of business reasons. he he:D

I'd wait 2 weeks after the 400D hits our shores before shelling out money. I have a sneaky feeling the 30D is due for another price drop if you are gunning for one.

I'd wait 2 weeks after the 400D hits our shores before shelling out money. I have a sneaky feeling the 30D is due for another price drop if you are gunning for one.


Will do, Dave. Maybe, I'll even wait a month or two! Not in a hurry. But just sold my backup, the d60 some days ago. I only have the 20d now. So, I do need a backup dslr. I'll have my friend who got my 300d come over my gigs if only to have a 2nd camera:).

hmm.. don't you think there's a reason why 10D's/20D's/30D's are categorized as "semi-pro" cameras and the 300D's/350D's/400D's as "entry-level" cameras? just a thought...

John

Some further reading here (http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/cameras/rebel%20xti.shtml) on that 30D vs 400D thingamajig.

I'd wait 2 weeks after the 400D hits our shores before shelling out money. I have a sneaky feeling the 30D is due for another price drop if you are gunning for one.

Dave, too late -- hehe, got the 30D na :Grin:

Dave, too late -- hehe, got the 30D na :Grin:

congrats, you won't regret buying that camera. :)

John

How much is the 400D there in Manila? I will try to check in HK this weekend

Not a real authority to categorically state anything as fact, but judging from previous local releases, I don't expect the introductory price to be similar to the current price of a 350D now.

So, if the first 350D units were priced at 59k (May 2005), I would wager that it would be priced between 49k-54k (kit version). I REALLY hope I'm wrong though because it's such a nice camera that I would wish everybody had one.

Was at Hidalgo yesterday.

Rumour has it that it will be at P45k for the kit version.

I think it will not be high this time and that rumour is pretty close if not the actual price. The reason is Nikon's own lineup w/c Canon has to fend off. Not to mention that the new mg't of Nikon will likely go for a mini price war to win the hearts and minds of slr users. I even venture to say that after 3-6 months, I expect the 400d to go for P42k whereabouts.

But we don't have to wait too long I guess because it's just a few days away and our speculations will be verified or not.

congrats, you won't regret buying that camera. :)

John

thanks john!

From a friend of mine they are selling the 400D at 6,000 HK$ body only and 400D with Kit Lens at 6,400 HK$. I beleive the launching for the 400D here is next week we should know the prices then.

30D : toyota camry early 06 model
400D : toyota altis late 06 model

30D nalang!!

Hehehehe don't compare 30D with the 400D, 400D is an entry level dslr ang 30D ay hinde it's just like asking way back few years ago, what wud you get a 350D or a 20D. :-) The price is not an option, of course 30D is much expensive because it's obvious na mas maganda siya, mas cheaper ang 400D because as what I've said it's an entry level camera, though ang dami na nang features nang 400D but I think durability is an option here, IMO.

Hi, I'm new here!

I just want to say how much I appreciate this thread. As a first time buyer (short-time borrower hehe) of a dslr, I was really going crazy on these two cameras. I really couldn't choose! Hindi na nga ako makatulog minsan T__T. All the more when I saw someone selling a brandnew 30D at TPC for only 52K! No local warranty though since it apparently came from the US.

Seems that the 30D has won me over. <3 <3 <3

Thanks to all of you guys!

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Actually no, I was the one pushing anyone to buy it before mapautang pa ko sa iba hehe. I'm still waiting for the 400D to become widely available in hopes of a 30D price drop. I'm still on edge about buying a new camera without local warranty. :S

Sorry about the name, bad habit of using autofillers, got it changed na.

I too was checking that 30D hehehe. I'm sure you'll be happy wioth the 30D. I have the 350 and now I wish I had just gotten a 30D instead because of several features that are available.

i just got another 30D... i wasn't planning on this purchase but i needed another body and a fantastic offer just breezed by. anyways, i didn't hesitate for a second, the 30D is great body and offers so much. :D

i just got another 30D... i wasn't planning on this purchase but i needed another body and a fantastic offer just breezed by. anyways, i didn't hesitate for a second, the 30D is great body and offers so much. :D

hey dexter,

care to share how good the 30D deal was? and where you got it from, i'm also toying with the idea of getting another 30D to be used as my second cam for photography gigs


Thanks in advance

@bunny pmed you.

@dex

got your pm and indeed it was a sweet deal.......congrats on your 2nd 30D

Happy Shooting

question: how can i know the actuation for a 350D?

thanks bunny! :D oliever, i was told not to reset your filename :D hope there is some other way!

Thanks! how about having Canon Service to extract the data? Is there really no way of telling?

i have the 350 already and the upgrade 400D doesn't have much difference. 10 MegaPix? I'm planning to get 30D or 5D. Check http://www.dpreview.com for more specs and reviews.

hi. i'm new and starting to learn photography. am using a 350D. i'm sorry but i can't seem to figure out what this thread hopes to achieve. here's a question i'd like to ask those who've had years of photography behind them: given the same circumstances (or everything being equal) in a particular photo opportunity, will the 30D give a better picture (in terms of quality) than the 350D or the 400D?

The thread was started by someone who wanted to ask the opinions of others whether it was better for him to get the newly released 400D versus the older 30D which has different features.

Those who aren't aware (or don't want to care) can happily choose the 400D because it has great features for an entry level DSLR.

The 30D is a different model catering to those who need higher frame rate, a more robust construction and supports more metering options than the 400D. Again, if one doesn't care about these features, then just choose the 400D.

This thread will die a natural death when the 40D is introduced somewhere in March 2007.

thanks, mr. dave. for those agonizing as to what to buy, perhaps this site http://www.gdanmitchell.com/2006/05/26#a515 can give you some inputs (to agonize some more. hahaha) .

The thread was started by someone who wanted to ask the opinions of others whether it was better for him to get the newly released 400D versus the older 30D which has different features.

Those who aren't aware (or don't want to care) can happily choose the 400D because it has great features for an entry level DSLR.

The 30D is a different model catering to those who need higher frame rate, a more robust construction and supports more metering options than the 400D. Again, if one doesn't care about these features, then just choose the 400D.

This thread will die a natural death when the 40D is introduced somewhere in March 2007.

40D's coming out soon?!?!! you sure dave??? :Scared:

Of course...

Canon upgrades each model every 18 months. The 1Ds get upgraded every 2 years.

there is more than 15k difference between the 400d and 30d on the market right now so I do agree with Dave's analysis.

The 30d is a great camera, but after several attempts to get a 30d, i went with a 400d kit instead. Free extra battery, 2 years local warranty, at a price that is 15k below the 30d body only price.

Now, if i were a professional shooting everyday making a living with my camera, i'd go with the 30d or even higher, no question. Same thing if i shot sports or need the 5fps or NEED it's other extra features. I'm sure the price difference are worth it for someone who needs them.

Bottomline, for what i shoot a 400d with it's new features it's more than what i need.

Just a few initial thoughts on the camera:
Low light focussing is much improved, much less hunting in the dark. Large aperture lenses such as the 50 1.8 lenses which used to give me fits worked much much better. And coming from the 350d, all the accessories work, including battery grip, wireless remote, & i hardly have to read the manual.

Bottomline, for what i shoot a 400d with it's new features it's more than what i need.


Congrats on your purchase. This is the correct framework when purchasing and/or evaluating the need for gear. :)

hi. what stores offer 2 year warranty?


The 30d is a great camera, but after several attempts to get a 30d, i went with a 400d kit instead. Free extra battery, 2 years local warranty, at a price that is 15k below the 30d body only price.

Now, if i were a professional shooting everyday making a living with my camera, i'd go with the 30d or even higher, no question. Same thing if i shot sports or need the 5fps or NEED it's other extra features. I'm sure the price difference are worth it for someone who needs them.

Bottomline, for what i shoot a 400d with it's new features it's more than what i need.

Just a few initial thoughts on the camera:
Low light focussing is much improved, much less hunting in the dark. Large aperture lenses such as the 50 1.8 lenses which used to give me fits worked much much better. And coming from the 350d, all the accessories work, including battery grip, wireless remote, & i hardly have to read the manual.

Henry's @ Hidalgo area :)

The 2-year warranty is being offered until the end of September.
Aside from Henry's, Infomax has the same deal. I don't
know if this is for all 400Ds sold before the end of the month.