any news of new canon camera releases?

The next camera to be released by Canon will be the 1Ds mk2 replacement. It is rumored to be 22Mp and have a high speed crop mode. It will be launched at the Photokina fair in Germany at the end of Sept.

It's expected that it will cost less than the current 1Ds mk2's Php475k

Mike

that's going to create a stir.. how bout the mid-level/entry range?

For there 1 series camera's the general rule is a new body every 2 years.
For the other camera's it's around 18 months, so I think the 350D is next in line for replacement but I have heard no news on that one. There was some rumors a while ago about a 3000D as an entry point camera but it's a least 6 months since I heard anything about that. I assume the 3000D is dead in the water.

mike

I have to agree with Mike here. I sense something big in Photokina. The 30D release at PMA in February was a bit of a let down for many. Canon will release the Beast in the biggest photo show in the world. The Mark III perhaps? And what about a full frame entry level DSLR? Maybe the 400D? Speculation but you just never know.

I have to agree with Mike here. I sense something big in Photokina. The 30D release at PMA in February was a bit of a let down for many. Canon will release the Beast in the biggest photo show in the world. The Mark III perhaps? And what about a full frame entry level DSLR? Maybe the 400D? Speculation but you just never know.

anyway its all speculation

i think there will be no upgrade with the 350d this will remain their strongest entry level camera for a while ...

i feel like they will introduce another one just better than 30d (whatever you will call it) maybe a cropped camera with 1D performance that will compete with the nikon series

and the upgrade to the 1D series (full frame) whatever the specs maybe it could really be a 22Megapix

hey nikon's releasing a new 10mp cam.. any word on canon?

Keep your eyes peeled on August 24:

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1010&message=19381607

I know what it is. I can tell you but then I'd have to kill you.

Okay, all kidding aside, my lips are zipped. You'll see it in the back cover of our Issue 04. There should be an announcement next week.

Any clue's? :D entry level, mid range?

:Shock: You are such a tease!!!

If I go to your office will you whisper it in my ear?

I know what it is. I can tell you but then I'd have to kill you.

Okay, all kidding aside, my lips are zipped. You'll see it in the back cover of our Issue 04. There should be an announcement next week.

hahaha! i like that.:D btw sir nick, one of these days i will be dropping by your rada office to start my subscription... seems it really is true your info email addy or the server itself bogged down or something since i don't get any replies on my inquiries... and hopefully in your office i could still rummage the first 3 copies:Grin:... and then on the 4th issue that's when i'll find the latest from canon, mwehehe

hahaha.... it's so obvious, Nick is a master of marketing... very suspenseful indeed

Any clue's? :D entry level, mid range?

SECREEEETTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT!!!! :D

SECREEEETTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT!!!! :D

hehehe... Ok will wait issue 4:Oops: :RedEye:

Just incase you change your mind... I'm a PM away :D

hehehe... Ok will wait issue 4:Oops: :RedEye:

Just incase you change your mind... I'm a PM away :D

i can PM you. but i have to hunt you down to kill you like nick said. LOL :Grin:

Well, can issue # 4 be released next week? so DPP staff won't have to hunt us all down... :)

Don't you just hate these I know something you don't thread's!

What will be launched is a modular camera system, buy the body, shutter assembly and sensor seperatly and as skill or funds increase you can change the parts but keep the same body. No more upgrades discarding your current body, just install a new sensor assembly etc...

No more Photo Styles but actual film profiles, you want Velvia, Tri-X etc.. just select it from the menu....

Wishfull thinking??

Maybe

Mike

Nino, what was the camera your were testing when I passed by? Is that the one? Or wa s that the 1Ds?

Well I hope Bob Atkins is right on one of his predictions. This is after all a September release. :)

I'll wait for this one... Maybe it might make me switch :) Nahhhhhh... :)

All we need is someone to hack into Nick's PC... Can you bring one to the Canon EB on August 31?

Alvin,
Lets see if we can bring one to the EB.

its not a camera.

its a new printer.

a canon photo dot matrix printer...:Grin:

6000 dpi resolution maximum resolution using pigment inks...

It's expected that it will cost less than the current 1Ds mk2's Php475k

Mike[/quote]

if that's the case it probably is going to retain the old sensor. just like what Canon did w/ the 30D.

good answer Randy! :) Its a camera definitely. But you already know that the printers are righta around the corner.

good answer Randy! Its a camera definitely. But you already know that the printers are righta around the corner.

Nick,

We all know you are bound by an NDA. But let me ask you these:

1. If I had bought a 1Ds mk2 this year,

a) would I regret having bought it?
b) would I just feel a bit bad about it?
c) would it not matter that much at all?


2. If I had a 30d now and shoot lots of birds and sports/action,
a) would I be excited about this?
b) would be excited but likely it's beyond my reach?
c) would be excited but my 30d would just do fine for now?

3. If I bought a 350d just recently,
a) I'd would have wished I had waited a couple of months
b) I'd say, "hey, this one's better than a 20d/30d!"
c) It would not matter that much.

4. If I were a 1D mk2N shooter,
a) I'd scratch my head, my eyes would bulge and say "whoah!":Grin:
b) I'd say, "interesting," it makes for a nice backup!
c) I'm not affected at all


Remember. I am NOT asking for any feature or any hints about the upcoming cameras! I am also not asking you to comment on anything. Just give me a letter for each question. I am sure you are not violating any NDA here. :)


You can check with your lawyers, but trust me, you are not violating any NDA. :Grin:

-Mel

Maybe canon will be launching a DSLR with a built-in printer. :) (La lang)

that Print button better be customizable though :D

Wish it's NOT a birder-friendly camera - high pixel density, 1D-level AF, deep RAW buffer, 6-8 fps and priced between the 30D and 5D.

Otherwise, my pocket will again take a beating...:D

Romy

Nick,

assuming i already know what it really is...am i bounded by your NDA? :Grin:

Nino, what was the camera your were testing when I passed by? Is that the one? Or wa s that the 1Ds?

maybe.. maybe not..

grabe... the suspense is torturing us haha

I know what they are.... I am not supposed to tell.....
ok..... you persuaded me!
The new cameras will be an upgrade to existing models - they will all have a built in cellphone:D :D :D

Nick,

assuming i already know what it really is...am i bounded by your NDA? :Grin:

From Nick to Randy: Randy, I'll let you post your response as long as you tell us what the next Epson wide format is and when it will be released... :Grin:

here's the new camera as per louie's guess.

http://www.ncarandang.com/canon.jpg

here's the new camera as per louie's guess.

http://www.ncarandang.com/canon.jpg


Hey Nino, 3G ready na rin ba yan?

Hehehe very nice! Since most of us never leave the house without the cell phone and camera, this is a 2-in-1 unit already! OK pa you can MMS raw files immediately! lol

here's the new camera as per louie's guess.

http://www.ncarandang.com/canon.jpg

Can it also play MP3s? Hehehe.

ay ayaw ko nyan....maliit ang lcd screen....tsaka wala predictive text...pag naglagay ba ko ng flash lalakas signal?

2 in 1 wont cut it these days.. you really need a "converged" device!

ipod-slr-GSM phone ang maganda..:Shock:

81

Let's do some logic. And here is our reference: http://www.jjmb.nl/timelinecanon/ (open it in a new tab or window)

Facts:
1. The oldest CURRENT camera of Canon is the 1Ds MarkII (launched 21 Sep 04)
2. This is followed by the 350D (launched 17 Feb 05)
3. The 1Ds MkII replaced the 1Ds (launched 23 Sep 02)
4. The 350D replaced the 300D (launched 20 Aug 03)
5. The 1Ds was replaced by the 1Ds MkII after 2 years (take 2 days)
6. The 300D was replaced by the 350D after 1.5 years (take 3 days)
7. 19 Aug 06 MINUS 17 Feb 05 is 1.5 years (give 2 days)

Now if my arithmetic adds up:

I therefore conclude and expect to see a 350D replacement on the 24th (actually, Canon will be a week late in releasing a replacement by then) with the following features:
1. ~10.6megapixels @ 1.6FOV crop (Nikon, look!)
2. 2.5" LCD (no brainer)
3. SD/MMC memory (so as not to eat 30D sales)
4. 3.5FPS
5. Uses same Grip and Batts as 350D
6. Comes only in black
7. ISO 100-1600 (+High) in 1/3 Stop increments
8. Matrix and Partial Metering (no Spot)
9. RGB Histogram
10. It will be named, 400D or 450D or 500D (pick any one)
12. EF-S (of course)

So where is the 1Ds MarkII replacement? That will be on February next year. But it will be announced in Photokina this year.

Sorry guys, but the biggest camera market is still the prosumers/amateurs who don't 'still' have the need for PhP100K or above cameras.

And if a 350D successor does arrive, am assuming its the entry-level version of its bigger brother if we base it on the ff:

10D - 300D
20D - 350D
30D - ?

In the mid-range lineup, it's very interesting to see 5D's entry-level brother. A full-frame 5D with less features to make the price attractive :)

I wonder, I wonder... Oh well

That entry level version would flop in retail if it did not somehow match the competition (currently, the Nikon D80 and the Sony Alpha both @10mp.)

We all know how we think, no matter how good the features are IN-CAMERA, we still somehow look at how many magapixels it can deliver. That's is just how it is at the moment. :D

Now if Canon released another 8mp entry level camera, where does it leave Canon? Have they reached the end of Moore's Law with regards to 1.6FOV sensors? I hope not!

But, if it were more than 8mp, say, 10mp at least (like the Nikon and the Sony who are already in the ring, waiting,) would it still be 'entry-level' beside the 30D? Where would Canon have to cut in the specs to retain it at entry level position. And where does the orignal teaser leave us, did it not say, "This year August will be different 24/8/06 Every legend has a beginning "? This is supposed to be a legendary new product...

Hmm, could it be? What if Canon relegated the 30D to entry level status and this new one put in place of it? I have seen that happen many times in the office where a senior employee is 'demoted' when a new one comes in and becomes the boss. :D

Well that's that. The water basin beside me is getting cloudy, that is as far as this watergazer can see. I guess we will know it all in 5 days.

One plus one plus one is three,
R

And if a 350D successor does arrive, am assuming its the entry-level version of its bigger brother if we base it on the ff:
10D - 300D
20D - 350D
30D - ?

Am still betting on my first post Randy :) Who knows you could be right. Let's see in the coming days :)

If I were Canon, I'd have my R&D cranking 3-4 years ago on the next gen sensor, so that by 2007, I am ready to release it.

With a sensor, comes the supporting chip. In Canon's case, it's the digic. Mind you, that chip is often underestimated. Most people only see the sensor. But that is the other half of the tandem that makes the sensor look good. In fact, if that support chip is really good, it extends the sensors' capabilities. It's like having a good singer with a great backup singers/instrumentalist. Hence, I expect that the digic III not to be just faster, or be able to gob up lots of data for processing, etc. I must give other advantages in making that image coming from the sensor look "good." I could think of two elements that it could do. One is dynamic range. The other is doing a clean conversion to jpg on high ISOs without thrashing the details.

According to Michael Porter, the 3 generic basis of competitive advantage or competition are 1) cost, 2) differentiation 3)segmentation. It has been pointed out that to compete then with the d80, canon is must come out with a 10mp or better camera. This then is a "differentition" approach.

But pixel is just one basis of being competitive. Pixel density have limits if the sensor is limited to a particular size, unless one can utilize other technologies to increase pixel density and still maintain low noise at higher ISOs, and still keep cost down. Initial images of the nikon d80 shows that it has tamed the noise problems of the original d70. In fact, the d70s is much better too. This shows that it is possible, to an extent of using some tricks in software/support chip/firmware or sensor manufacturing to work around the limitations of physics.

My take is that Canon may be forced to draw out its hand early and use the digic III asap on this release. And I strongly suspect, that the current sensor design is no longer up to snuff and you can only do so much in software or manufacturing and you really have to wipe the slate clean if you want better performance.

Maybe, just maybe, without using it on their flagship 1Ds yet (w/c may be overhauled in terms of body and design), they may try it already on the 350d replacement. It would be nice if the 1Dx had it, but heck, from a strategic standpoint, it would steal the thunder if not neutralize the d80 effort. They could just announce that what the 370d or whatever they call it can do, the 1D will even be more woundrous because of it would be in a pro body, with a larger pixel pitch.

What to do with the 30d then?

No problem. Cannibalize it. Let it die a natural death next year and introduce a 35d with the new sensor and digic III. They did that to the d60, when they killed it in 1 year of its introduction, for the 10d. My take is that the 30d is the pause before the big push w/c was supposed to be for next year.

There is one more thing I would like to cover before I exit the post. The way the market is segmented. It has been postulated why there is a gap in the U$200-3,500 that Nikon or Canon does not fill in. Well, the 5d answered that. The signal is simple. Consumers will not commit when the camera is past U$2k. It has to be in the U$1,500 space for it to be considered mass market. And since there is a battle of the hearts and minds now, with Sony, Panasonic, and Samsung entering, going back to Porter's generic strategy, the new entrants are attacking both on the features and price fronts (sub U$1k, with anti-shake, sensor cleaning features as come ons).

Canon needs to secure its market share, and the margins in the entry level DSRL will be thin. Very thin. But you need to fight that turf. Above all else Canon knows the value of this beach head. That's how it attacked Xerox about 3 decades ago. If the entry level is not defended, the mid & high could suffer. And worse, the ancilliary market and possibly intended target, the sales of lenses and accessories such as a flash would be erroded. And lenses are not just income generating. Their value is that they also are the keys to a lock in or for preventing a consumer from switching that easily.

My take is that Canon may have to whiz-bang itself with the 350d replacement (if it can use this new sensor-digic III combo). Much like it did about 4 years ago with the 300d. But that would mean no crippling of features. It's not just going to be the pixel that has to matter. It must be something that would have to capture the imagination of the consumer. And the price will have to be in the same ballpark (U$800 whereabouts).

Then, it will dazzle us with the promise of the same sensor digic III combo for the higher end scheduled for release next year. The entry level market driving the high end market later on.




It's just 4 or 3 days from the big day. We'll know if this analyses is even close. :)



-Mel

That entry level version would flop in retail if it did not somehow match the competition (currently, the Nikon D80 and the Sony Alpha both @10mp.)

We all know how we think, no matter how good the features are IN-CAMERA, we still somehow look at how many magapixels it can deliver. That's is just how it is at the moment. :D



You're right. I think it's safe to speculate that Canon will bump up it's entry level DSLR with newer features and higher megapixels. It just makes perfect business sense to get ready for the buying season and match the competition at this point of the year. But doing that would push down their recent releases. I guess we'll know in a few days.

We can only wish that everyone thinks like that Mel, that it is not a megapixels war...

But everytime I bring my camera to the office, my peers (non photographers and photographers alike) and the people around almost always ask 2 questions in a one-two punch manner, and it goes:

Officemate: Hey, is that a DSLR?
Me: Yes (smiles)
Officemate: Ilang megapixels yan?
Me: 6
.
.
.

Almost always. And I have never met anyone who asked me if my camera sports DIGIC or DIGIC II or how many frames a second can it shoot, no - not ever - that is because when it comes to the billing, the megapixel count gets the bigger billing, while the other technologies (like DIGIC, FPS, CMOS etc, ends up in the 'fine print'.) The usual 3rd question is usually, how much did it cost me to get the camera...

Further, I would cringe if Canon gives us another 8mp...what's that, 4 8mp cameras in a row? (20D, 350D, 30D, Aug24 camera)...

But as was said, we will all be enlightened in less than a week. As of today, those who know are not talking and those talking (like me) do not know. I have a friend who I know knows, but he sure is hell not talking. Haha, peace bro!

:D

We can only wish that everyone thinks like that Mel, that it is not a megapixels war...

But everytime I bring my camera to the office, my peers (non photographers and photographers alike) and the people around almost always ask 2 questions in a one-two punch manner, and it goes:

Officemate: Hey, is that a DSLR?
Me: Yes (smiles)
Officemate: Ilang megapixels yan?
Me: 6
.
.
.

Almost always. And I have never met anyone who asked me if my camera sports DIGIC or DIGIC II or how many frames a second can it shoot, no - not ever - that is because when it comes to the billing, the megapixel count gets the bigger billing, while the other technologies (like DIGIC, FPS, CMOS etc, ends up in the 'fine print'.) The usual 3rd question is usually, how much did it cost me to get the camera...

Further, I would cringe if Canon gives us another 8mp...what's that, 4 8mp cameras in a row? (20D, 350D, 30D, Aug24 camera)...

But as was said, we will all be enlightened in less than a week. As of today, those who know are not talking and those talking (like me) do not know. I have a friend who I know knows, but he sure is hell not talking. Haha, peace bro!

:D

Randy,

I guess you are right in your part of the group you hang out. In mine, since many of them are serious hobbiest, they know what is important. Or at least, my cousins don't ask at all because don't know enough that they can't even fathom what a megapixel is!:Grin:

My take is the entry level will have to be released on time. That's where christmas shopping in the USA can get you some numbers in sales. NOT to have something new is bad, especially since you have the A100, and d80 to contend with. I don't know if Panny or Samsung has any on the table for the last quarter, but if they do, then the more that Canon best have something!

The real question is, is Canon really ready to commit on their new sensor design? The digic III, well, I think it is ready. But the newer sensor? That is what interests me the most. The new sensor will be a big departure in design. It is supposed to address the issues that current design can't or find hard to exceed in terms of performance, e.g. dynamic range, and clean isos at smaller pixel pitches. The d60 to 10d is similar to it, but that was more of a manufacturing innovation w/c paved the way for a sub U$2k dslr, and eventually a sub-U$1k dslr.

Personally, I am not excited, nor indifferent. But I do have a stake here too! I am looking for a 2nd body, and if indeed this 350d replacement will be 10mp and be close if not equal today's sensor noise at higher ISOs, well, I might stop looking for a used 20d and get it, especially if the price is in the sub U$1,000 range. The 10-22 would fit in nicely and can sure use the extra pixels since the lens is an extreme wide angle and it can really thin out the image quickly. Having more pixel in this case, gives me more to resolve the small details better.

What would surprise me is that they will cannibalize the 30d this early. I'm not saying it isn't possible. But that would really be a 1-2 punch right off the bat! I personally doubt it. IF I were to deliver a strong blow to the competitor, it would be a sub U$2,000 FF dslr a la 5d but using the new sensor design and digic III.

It is obvious, that the U$2,500-3,000 segment is weak. Not that the 5d was a weak camera. It's just that people cannot afford or will not commit to that price point. Hence, if Mohammed cannot go to the mountain, then the mt must go to Mohammed. Canon must innovate in the manufacturing front and find ways to cut cost further. In this case, increase the yield of FF wafers by reducing rejects further, not to mention innovate on a fast and efficient manufacturing assembly.
And if such an innovation has been in the pipeline for some time, it thus makes sense now to commit the new sensor and digic III early, even before the flagship products are scheduled. The economies of scale alone will enable Canon to compete not just in features or performance, but in price as well. The segment wars is basically heavily tilted to them in the high end anyway, so let it wait till next year and have something more to show & tell, while leaving the competitors wondering how to respond to it.

-Mel

I've read your posts and researched on canon cams (curious enough to...:)) anyhoo, if I were looking for a canon dslr (*hint*) and I would look at the current lineup, I would say what's missing would be, not a 5D replacement, but a a 5D variant, with a faster FPS. :D but 2 days to go! somehow i'm more excited for these release than the D80.

My wild guesses are:

1. A 1DsM2N - 22 MP, 4 or 5 fps, larger LDC, no cropped high speed mode

2. A crop factor semi-pro, probably 10-12 MP, 1.3 or 1.6 CF, 7 fps, large ISO range (50-6400?), to serve as Digic3 guinea pig...:)

Romy

yey! a 400D with a sensor cleaner and anti-dust system :D

http://www.canon.com.cn/front/canon/news/backend_news_detail.jsp?id=2322

Canon 70-200 f4 IS L
Canon 50 f1.2 L
EOS 400D

http://www.canon.com.cn/front/canon/news/backend_news_detail.jsp?id=2322

Canon 70-200 f4 IS L
Canon 50 f1.2 L
EOS 400D

bad link cris.

here you go nin... http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1010&message=19703393

bad link cris.

oppss...sori!:Grin: they removed it...its from canon chinese site.

the link I posted is the translated version of cris' removed link.

Let's throw in some more fuel to the fire:
Specs:
EOS 400D EF-S mount
10.1 megapixels (3888px X 2592px)
APS-C (1.6FOV crop) [Self Cleaning Sensor Unit]
9point AF (35-zone)
2.5in 230000px LCD
.2sec start-up
ISO 100-1600
3fps (27JPG Large Fine / 10RAW)
SS 1/4000 - 30secs + bulb (1/200 flash sync)

What happens now to the 30D? It will be a choice between a camera with beefier body, spot metering, 1/3 increments ISO adjustments or a camera that is 10.1mpixels with built in sensor cleaning features.

The price? I am sure it will be around the range of the current 350D (between 42K-47K)

R

PS: That 70-200 F4L IS USM sure looks sweet, but the 50 F1.2L is even sweeter. (Price? Im betting 50K and 110K respectively)
PPS: Time to save up!
PPPS: There goes the 13th month pay and the Christmas bonus!

EDIT:
I guess this makes it a little more official (although may disclaimer pa din), look:
http://www.photokina-show.com/0131/canon/digitalslrcamera/canoneos400d/

and i was just asking about the lack of a 70-200 f4L IS....i guess canon heard me after all......

seriously though if the 30d's advantage over the 400d are the enumerated 1/3 iso stops and the spot meter and the fps burst, i dont think the extra 20-35k would be worth it...in my case obviously. but i guess thats why we have technology. everything better and cheaper....if they had come up with a weather sealed 400d i would have been pissed though LOL.

mag body :D

i'm guessing the 400D's focusing may still be inferior than its big brother 30D so the difference in price should be worth it hehe

check this out:

http://www.flickr.com/groups/flickrphilippines/discuss/72157594248375651/

www.dphotojournal.com/canon-eos-3d/ (http://www.dphotojournal.com/canon-eos-3d/)

@Randy T: Looks like your water basin served you well :)

Likewise am giddy with the new 50mm :)

and i was just asking about the lack of a 70-200 f4L IS....i guess canon heard me after all......

seriously though if the 30d's advantage over the 400d are the enumerated 1/3 iso stops and the spot meter and the fps burst, i dont think the extra 20-35k would be worth it...in my case obviously. but i guess thats why we have technology. everything better and cheaper....if they had come up with a weather sealed 400d i would have been pissed though LOL.

As a semi-pro or if you are a birder, sports shooter, the 20d/30d advantage are in the following areas.

1) 5fps - the obvious one. Try shooting birds, or a baseball pitch with a 3fps and you'll know that 3fps is not enough. For weddings, try the dove release and bouquet toss, etc.

2) The use of a dial instead of buttons to change settings is one BIG difference to fast action shooting. Try pushing those arrow buttons changing shutter speeds or aperture, or exposure compensation, in manual or AV/TV modes and you will see what I mean.

3) I don't know if the 400d has a cursor control like the 30d/20d, but that too is very, very handy for quick adjustments.

4) slightly faster focusin in lower light. Using the same lens, I noticed the 350d/300d tend to hesitate slightly than the 20d. In normal shooting and lighting conditions this is not that critical. But say in a processional in a dark church, that could spell the difference between a blurred shot and a good one.

5)to some degree, spot metering for the 30d is an advantage.


There's also build, handling, etc, that tilts in favor of the 20d/30d. For hobbiest, or average usage, the 350d/400d will do just fine. If you have a 20d like me, maybe the 10mp and lower price will be a strong consideration especially at a lower cost for a backup. And that 10mp is useful in adding more pixel for my 10-22 w/c really thins that one out easy. For birders like Romy Ocon, that extra 2mp may also be worth it, when you have to crop.

The trick is to know what is important to your own shooting needs. Regardless, a 400d at P45-48k will sound palatable. Hopefully, it will be lower :D

But what drives me is this 70-200 f4L IS. Ahh, Canon finally answered many prayers here! :) I would have wanted a 50-135/150 f2.8, but I think I can live with this!

The big question for this lens is -- how much?

My guess is it's around P68k-72k. Anybody care to speculate on the price of this f4L IS lens?

-Mel

But what drives me is this 70-200 f4L IS. Ahh, Canon finally answered many prayers here! :) I would have wanted a 50-135/150 f2.8, but I think I can live with this!

The big question for this lens is -- how much?

My guess is it's around P68k-72k. Anybody care to speculate on the price of this f4L IS lens?

-Mel
siguro nasa 45K-50K or $900. may prize ba pag tama ang hula? :Grin:

id be happy if they release a 16-85 2.8 L IS USM. it would probably be around 80k though hehehehe pero kahit na 16-85 f4L IS USM ok na ok yan

id be happy if they release a 16-85 2.8 L IS USM. it would probably be around 80k though hehehehe pero kahit na 16-85 f4L IS USM ok na ok yan


Cris,

Malabo. You don't really need a 16mm with IS, though at 85mm it might be useful. But a 16-85 f2.8L IS is a wide range. That thing is going to be big. That thing is going to have lots of compromises optically.

And that thing is going to cost you 2 arms and maybe a leg:D.


I believe Canon will concentrate more on the other primes on the mid end and wide end in the future. They really need an uplift/update the 20mm or a decent 15mm or even come up with a solid 16mm prime. Making that 15/16mm f2.8 is and really very good will make it very good value and end the quest for zeiss or 3rd parties. So with coming up with a decent 20mm f1.8 or f2.0. The trick is to make it so good that it becomes a standard by itself. These lenses will also erase the stigma of Canon being weak at the wide end.

The 50 f1.2 is a start, but strange because that is still out of reach for many. And designing a 50mm isn't really as hard as other focal lengths. If they just updated the 50 f1.4 that would get lots of sales. Odd, they opted for a f1.2.

But I am happy that they did listen to us for the 70-200 f4L IS. That is going to be a seller! I bet ebay will have a slew of non-IS f4L's for sale soon!

-Mel

Folks,


Ok, it's official. The cat is out of the bag. The Canon XTi or 400d is announced.


10.1 effective Megapixel CMOS sensor
New dust reduction system: 1) ultrasonic waves blast dust off the low pass sensor; 2) low pass filter split into two parts to keep the dust further from the sensor; 3) front of low pass filter now has anti-static charge
Users can also create a "dust map" (Canon calls it Dust Delete Data) for dust that just won't go away; this information is saved in metadata, and the bundled Digital Photography Professional 2.2 software can remove it from your photos
2.5" LCD display (with 230k pixels)
LCD info display has gone away; shooting info now shown on LCD; when you put your eye to the viewfinder, the screen goes dark automatically
Improved burst mode compared to Rebel XT: now takes up to 10 RAW or 27 JPEG images (still at 3 fps)
Inherits the Picture Styles menu and RGB histogram from the EOS-5D and EOS-30D
Same body design (and colors) as Rebel XT -- very hard to tell them apart; compatible with all Rebel XT accessories, including the battery grip
Still uses DIGIC II processor and CompactFlash
USB 2.0 High Speed supported
Ships mid-September for $799 body only or $899 with the same 18-55 EF-S lens that comes with the Rebel XT The Rebel XT will be around for the rest of the year. Its price will drop to $699 body only or $799 with the kit lens.



web site is:
www.dcresource.com


http://www.dcresource.com/images/news/canon_082406/XTi_slant_Fdown_B.jpg

http://www.dcresource.com/images/news/canon_082406/back_off_B.jpg




No info on the lenses yet. I want to know exactly how much :)





-Mel

the dust reduction system looks nice...nikon should be integrating this into their bodies too...

the dust reduction system looks nice...nikon should be integrating this into their bodies too...


This is nifty too:

"by default, the rear LCD will light up and display the basic settings screen when the camera is switched on. It will turn off automatically when the camera detects an object (like a human face) has moved close to the proximity sensor just below the eyepiece. The basic settings screen can be turned off and on manually using the the new [DISP.] button on the back of the camera, and the camera can be configured to not have the basic settings screen appear automatically when the camera is powered up, if desired."

This is from the rob g's site:

http://www.robgalbraith.com/bins/multi_page.asp?cid=7-7897-8492


I wonder how much Canon Phils will sell this? And will they just sell the body only?

-Mel

This is interesting too:

"The Digital Rebel XTi SLR also continues the long-standing tradition of featuring a wide range of ISO settings (100 –1600) with the ability to “float” to any intermediate step along that range in fully automatic modes while allowing the user to set the ISO manually at full step intervals in the camera’s creative modes."

Together with picture styles, 9-AF point including sensitivity, it looks like a 30d jr. A very interesting camera. I bet Romy Ocon is thinking about this one now seriously! :)

-Mel

From canon japan... http://web.canon.jp/Imaging/eosdigital3/index.html

check this out:

http://www.flickr.com/groups/flickrphilippines/discuss/72157594248375651/

www.dphotojournal.com/canon-eos-3d/ (http://www.dphotojournal.com/canon-eos-3d/)

wait! these pics for real? or they just made it? galeng ah.

Parang walang top LCD?

None... you use the main LCD as well.

I wonder what system did they use for the dust problem. :D

thanks for the link.
I was almost sure, i was going to go with the 30D, due to better focus, and buffer, larger screen.
But most of the features i want are now present in the new 400d and then some
Looks like they softened it a bit and added some rubber bits on the grip. I get to keep my battery grips and other accesorries as well.

My concerns would be:
Number of files in a folder
noise at high iso
Shutter durability - not that i ever reached the limit on my 350d anyway

I wonder what system did they use for the dust problem. :D

canon.jp website:

Unwanted shadows on photos can be caused by dust that isn’t actually on the sensor but on the low-pass filter (LPF) in front of it. Though cleaning can be manually selected by menu, automatic cleaning by ultrasonic vibration of the LPF is activated for about one second when the power is turned on or off. As shooting priority occurs on start-up, pressing the shutter button disables the self-cleaning operation and returns the camera to shooting mode. Dust falling off the filter during cleaning adheres to the sticky material of the retaining component at the LPF base.

Hi Mel,

Indeed the 5.7 microns pixel pitch (vs the 350D's 6.4) will act like a 1.12x TC without light loss. To long shooters and birders, that's more pixels that can be thrown at the target.

I'll probably wait till September if they'll announce a 1.6 CF 40D type (5-7 fps, 10 MP, etc). By then, we'll get an idea of the field performance of the 400D from early adopters.

I'm glad that they incorporated the 9-pt focus points of the 30D/20D, but carried over the 350D's shutter. In my tests (1dm2n, 1dm2, 20d, 350d and 300d), the 350d has the least mirror slap, and this is essential when shooting at very long focal lentghs.

Romy



This is interesting too:

"The Digital Rebel XTi SLR also continues the long-standing tradition of featuring a wide range of ISO settings (100 –1600) with the ability to “float” to any intermediate step along that range in fully automatic modes while allowing the user to set the ISO manually at full step intervals in the camera’s creative modes."

Together with picture styles, 9-AF point including sensitivity, it looks like a 30d jr. A very interesting camera. I bet Romy Ocon is thinking about this one now seriously! :)

-Mel

Hi! I'm a newbie here. I just read that Canon just released info on the eos 400d. Read it at this sitehttp://www.bobatkins.com/photography/digital/canon_eos_400D.html. With this development, I'm wondering whether the price of the 350d would go down substanitally. I don't have a dSLR yet and I've been training my sights on the 350d or should I go for the 400d? Hmmmm....

Wonder if Canon will release any more goodies at Photokina itself, like what they've done in past years.

Read more about Canon's new lenses here (http://www.imaging-resource.com/NEWS/1156392005.html)

Nikon released the D80 for entry level and for Canon, EOS REBEL 400D.
both are 10MP. Canon has a dust removing system powered with ultrasonic vibrations.
both has a high fidelity 2.5 inch monitor. D80 has a high spec view finder but the bad news is that it uses SD card. for canon, its still CF.

Nikon released the D80 for entry level and for Canon, EOS REBEL 400D.
both are 10MP. Canon has a dust removing system powered with ultrasonic vibrations.
both has a high fidelity 2.5 inch monitor. D80 has a high spec view finder but the bad news is that it uses SD card. for canon, its still CF.

anti-dust... I must have missed that part of the specs... Really? Wow.:)

The 350D is at the same price currently when the 300D was at it's lowest when the 350D came out so now's the lowest price you can arguably get a 350D. When the 350D was first introduced to the local market, it was priced at around 49k-52k depending on freebies so I have reason to believe that's the price of the 400D when it hits our shores around late September or early October.

It's up at the Canon USA site now here (http://www.usa.canon.com/consumer/controller?act=ModelDetailAct&fcategoryid=139&modelid=14256)

price is 70,271.40 PHP

Canon EOS 400D Body + EF-S 18-55mm lens -- £719.99

http://www.parkcameras.com/canon/digitalcameras/canon_eos_400d_index.htm

Hi! I'm a newbie here. I just read that Canon just released info on the eos 400d. Read it at this sitehttp://www.bobatkins.com/photography/digital/canon_eos_400D.html. With this development, I'm wondering whether the price of the 350d would go down substanitally. I don't have a dSLR yet and I've been training my sights on the 350d or should I go for the 400d? Hmmmm....

if you can wait and be able to reach 400D why not? (or even 30D if it's the same price man lang) because for me if you have the budget for it then go for it. it's kinda hard if you're kept wondering and asking "what ifs" if you settle for something you think you won't be happy with. but also keep in mind to be humble enough to know until where your financial limit can take you (maganda nga camera mo hindi ka naman makabili ng bagong damit man lang o medyas! hehe...:))

but if you're just beginning from scratch, the 350D is more than good enough already. it has been a springboard for so many people to take their photography to another level.

hope this helps!

John

price is 70,271.40 PHP

Canon EOS 400D Body + EF-S 18-55mm lens -- £719.99

http://www.parkcameras.com/canon/digitalcameras/canon_eos_400d_index.htm


MSRP $799-body only...$899-body+kit lens. source DCRP. it will be around Php45K body only.:Grin:

P 45k in the Philippines.. that's overly optimistic I think.

I'll guess around P55k-P59k for the first 3 months.

P 45k in the Philippines.. that's overly optimistic I think.

I'll guess around P55k-P59k for the first 3 months.

i agree dave. if it comes out with that price tag, it's too good to be true.

I'm sure it'll be P45k but maybe by next December when the 400D's successor is gonna be announced as well. Sheesh! I paid 59k for my 350D last October and now it's only 38K brand new.

I'm sure it'll be P45k but maybe by next December when the 400D's successor is gonna be announced as well. Sheesh! I paid 59k for my 350D last October and now it's only 38K brand new.

haha felt the same way dave! i got mine 42k last march. haha you can get a 350D with battery grip for as low as 35k now!

boy this 400D release made has got me scratching my head! just got a 30D less than a week ago and now i'm thinking if i should've waited for 400D instead. :Oops: the 10.1 mp and anti-dust features really sound nice eh.. but i guess the 30D would still have a more "solid" and "complete" feel. the 350D used to be like a toy on my big hands kasi eh. hehe :D

John

@john, i can get one @ 45k, but will sell @ 50k.hehehe.

if you can wait and be able to reach 400D why not? (or even 30D if it's the same price man lang) because for me if you have the budget for it then go for it. it's kinda hard if you're kept wondering and asking "what ifs" if you settle for something you think you won't be happy with. but also keep in mind to be humble enough to know until where your financial limit can take you (maganda nga camera mo hindi ka naman makabili ng bagong damit man lang o medyas! hehe...:))

but if you're just beginning from scratch, the 350D is more than good enough already. it has been a springboard for so many people to take their photography to another level.

hope this helps!

John

Thanks John! If the 400d is at 70t, then 350d it is. Mahirap na magutom. Hehehehehe

@john, i can get one @ 45k, but will sell @ 50k.hehehe.

yan ang businessman! haha.. :D

I would seriously doubt if the 400D will come out at a price HIGHER than or even EQUAL to the 30D.

I will still say for the kit, it will settle to 42K - 47K in Quiapo by October...

The SRP as per DPREVIEW says 799USD (body only) and 899USD for the KIT. That means maybe 50K SRP for the KIT here. But this will be around October already. Im sure the first batches will be around 10K higher.