helping out a friend who wants to buy a b/new Canon 30D.
where is the best place to purchase?
how much is it? (body only)
how long is the warranty?
...... and the next question is....
what mid-range zoom lens (non-IS) and how much to pair it with? (preferably Canon)
thanks in advance.

hidalgo should charge you around 60k for body only. dzone has a 12 month 0% interest scheme but they charge 75k (with kit lens).

1 year warranty.

well if youre rich you can buy the 28-300 L. hehehe but that would cost you more thna 100k. :D

if you want to have a good walking lens maybe a 24-105 L, this should cost you something like 65k i think

if you want a fast lens meaning a constant 2.8 aperture lens, you have 2 choices a 24-70 L which should cost you 68k from henrys in quiapo. or a 17-55 which should cost around 55k.

a 17-85 may also suit you, not sure on how much a new one costs but people are selling their old ones anywhere from 20 to 25k. It has IS though and USM. not sure why you dont want IS though hehehehe. some of the lenses stated above also have IS like the 17-55.

if you want cheap alternatives. (third party)

sigma 17-70 is around 20.5k sa JTPhotoworld
tamron 28-75 2.8 is around 22.5k from Henrys
tamron 17-50 2.8 - not sure of the price

i have an 18-200 tamron, its a pretty good walkaround lens just dont use it in the dark or youll prolly throw it out the window. its also 22.5k from henrys.

i have the tamron 28-75 2.8 and all i can say is that its worth it.

sigma's 17-70 has good reviews btw...

i have an 18-200 tamron, its a pretty good walkaround lens just dont use it in the dark or youll prolly throw it out the window. its also 22.5k from henrys.



why? poor AI focus in low-light? Hmmm...was planning to get either this or the sigma equivalent as my all-around mountaineering lens.

btw, i got my 30D for 70K (with kit lens) at camerahaus. that was almost 2 months ago. i would pay a little premium just to make sure i've got the local warranty. be warned that some of the models sold in hidalgo do not have local warranty. the store hands there will tell you naman. [somebody warned that....oh well...]

my warranty took care of two sensor cleanings already and a number of consults. all for free. ok naman ang service ng canon (i signed an "im delighted" card).

thanks everyone.
@christopher... i concur.... cost was the concern. perhaps a better option would be f/4 glass with IS.
@jay... i have the sigma 18-200 and yes it does hunt in low light situations. but if you want a good range in a light lens... it's a very practical lens for travel/hiking

Hi jay. Yeah it hunts in low light. But i knew that from the start naman e. Reviews on the net are divided, some say sigma is better some say its worse. Photozone and kenrockwell came to the same comclusion that tamron may be slightly ahead. they're not the authorities though but at least they have some sort of system to test hehe.

what i also do is to go into pbase and search for all the pics coming from a particular lens. this should give you an idea how sharp to expect the lens to be.

some reviews say that the sigma has worse AF in low light so i chose tamron. kenrockwell also said the pictures are ok with the tamron and i agree.

the 17-40L f4 is also a good alternative as walk around lens for canon, 38k i think

i love the 2.8 though...:D

i've got a 30D related question, if i were thinking of getting a canon *wink* *hint* and LCD size wouldn't matter too much for me (my E-1 has only a 1.8" LCD), is the 30D worth the entry fee or can i do away with a used 20D for 20K less? expert opinions and suggestions welcome.

:D

dex, some who upgraded to the 30d sings praises for its 2.5" lcd. most came from using the 10d and 20d.

larger lcd and the tighter spot meter from 20d.

balik ka na lang sa nikon. maybe d50/d80 or d200 (para weather proof pa rin) :)

hahaha if ever i do aris, i would feel bad if i go back to nikon after having sold my flash an lenses (including a vr) hahaha! anyhoo, canon's high iso performance is really inviting. :D

30D vs. 20D

- Larger LCD
- Ability to change ISO without taking your eye of the viewfinder (love this)
- Spot Metering (taken from the 5D)
- Ability to change ISO setting in EV 1/3 steps.
- Picture Styles "Presets" from the 5D
- 2 high speed shooting modes (3 & 5 fps)
- Bigger buffer for continious shooting

Other than that.. no biggie.. owners of the 20D should wait for the next one. Those coming from the 300/350Ds will like the 30D.

i've got a 30D related question, if i were thinking of getting a canon *wink* *hint* and LCD size wouldn't matter too much for me (my E-1 has only a 1.8" LCD), is the 30D worth the entry fee or can i do away with a used 20D for 20K less? expert opinions and suggestions welcome.

:D


John,

Personally, the 20d is already ok. Sure, I would like a 30d as others have pointed out the advantages. But really, if you can get one for P40k, I'd go for that and save P20k. If you know anybody selling their 20d, let me know. I need a 2nd body:)

Trust me, on the AF speed, clean high ISOs, etc. They are worth it.

When we hear what's new before photokina, my guess, there will be upgraders, especially if Canon releases a rumoured 3d at U$2,000.


-Mel

ther for the insights mel and dave. :D

mel, I heard it's going to be a prosumer class dslr, the upcoming canon release, literaly the Canon Legend. could be just speculation :D

another question guys... is there a setting in the 30D where you can adjust the ISO per stop instead of per 1/3 of a stop. Coz I've used both the 1/3 ISO step on my E-500 for the longest time and when I started using the per stop ISO settings of the E-1, I wanted to kick myself in my ar$e for torturing myself all this time, E-1'sper stop ISO setting is much convenient and easy to work with. Also, I've read from other forums that the LCD darkens under bright light or sunlight, have you guys experienced this?

Yes... you can change the EV increments in the Custom Function menu.

As to the LCDs, it's always been the same issue whether it was a Canon, Nikon whatever... no LCD can withstand direct sunlight.

as to the ISO 1/3 steps, none that i know of. stuck with so much options.

darkens under bright/sun light? hmmm....not quite that way... but it does get hard to see in broad daylight at the lcd's mid-brightness setting...

i sometimes find myself just relying on the rgb histogram if im in a hurry, reviewing the whole shot later when im under a shade...

its not that bad though...i guess its better to say that i find it easier to review the shot when im not under squint-strength sunlight.

Yes... you can change the EV increments in the Custom Function menu.

As to the LCDs, it's always been the same issue whether it was a Canon, Nikon whatever... no LCD can withstand direct sunlight.
there is pala? let me check. how ignorant of me. nyaha. dave kanina umaga pa to.

...dave, just checked...the 1/2 and 1/3 increment option only applies to the aperture and shutter speed but not for the ISO. custom function 6, right?

i am not comprehending jon's question properly. my bad.

i tried holding a d200.....parang nainggit ako hehehe....

wag nyo hahawakan tong camera na to!!!!

i tried holding a d200.....parang nainggit ako hehehe....

wag nyo hahawakan tong camera na to!!!!

di nga? talaga?? maki-join kaya ako sa EB ng mga nikonians for me to know the feel of it no? puro canonians naman kasi nakakausap ko sa mundo ko kaya so naive ako with nikon cams.:(

Patrick Uy wields one...

hi! how do i check the actuation count of the 30D? :D

hi! how do i check the actuation count of the 30D? :D

i think the software is only available for canon service people. im looking for a hack as well.

so file name nalang? ;D

yes file name lang but dont ever plug in a cf card from a friends camera coz you will carry over their numbering in the event that it is higher than your camera count....

before, i thought the camera count was the one that controls the file numbering, found out first hand that it isnt true it is whichever is higher the camera or cf card

yes file name lang but dont ever plug in a cf card from a friends camera coz you will carry over their numbering in the event that it is higher than your camera count....

before, i thought the camera count was the one that controls the file numbering, found out first hand that it isnt true it is whichever is higher the camera or cf card

I just checked my files as I always switch cards between the bodies and I don't see any change in the numbering from each body. Just my 2 pennies...cheers....

thats because you use them for yourself and your camera registers the higher file number now if someone uses your card and he has a higher file number and you put it into your camera it will now change your camera file numbering to match the cf card. this is done so that you do not overwrite your files. the camera cant say that it isnt your card and would just assume that the card is yours and that the file numbering is correct and it wouldnt wanna overwrite an existing file.

as an example lets say you have 2 cards. one card registers file number 1000 and your other card is being used by the camera currently is at 1500 shots. you plug your other card in (the one which had 1000) and you shoot and you see that the file number is now 1501. ok this is working as expected. now your friend borrows your card that has 1500 shots registered. he shoots with it but his camera is already at 1700 shots. he shoots once to make it 1701 and he hands it over to you. if you plug that card into your camera and you shoot 1 pic you will find your file is now at 1702.

i hope this helps

will it help if you format the card first before plugging it in for the first time in your 30D? so that it won't register a high count number?

havent tried that myself but i think if you plug the card into your cam it already adjusts the file number. i suggest formatting it in windows....thats what i did to my new cards before....not sure how you would do that using a mac though.

chris, how about if the CF card has not been inserted in a Canon cam before? :D

Other than that.. no biggie.. owners of the 20D should wait for the next one. Those coming from the 300/350Ds will like the 30D.

how about the ones whos coming from D60? should they upgrade? lol im thinking on waiting for the next one... i want 10MP :D the question is kailan kaya lalabas ung next sa 30D? any clues? been searching the net....

charles

i tried holding a d200.....parang nainggit ako hehehe....

wag nyo hahawakan tong camera na to!!!!


yah totoo to!!!! nahawakan ko D200 ni maro last thurs... muntik na tuluan ng laway ko...hehe pero confident naman siya pahawakan kasi weather proof... lol

@charles

how about the ones whos coming from D60? should they upgrade? lol im thinking on waiting for the next one... i want 10MP the question is kailan kaya lalabas ung next sa 30D? any clues? been searching the net....


In the absence of hard evidence, the best is to follow the timeline of past releases. Between the 10D, 20D & 30D, the interval was 16-18 months. So barring any funny stuff, expect the next model to the 30D to be released in July 2007.

sir johndexter, theoretically it should start from 1 then but i just format them all the same when i first get them.....

@chris, it's jon ;) hehe! anyhoo thanks, just getting my stuff ready for the 30D next tuesday :D

congratz. youll love the cam....specially the 2.5 inch screen :D

congratz. youll love the cam....specially the 2.5 inch screen :D

agree.. it's worth every centavo! :D

thanks chris! my ol' E-500 had a 2.5" display, but it's gone now :D I'm more excited bout the clean high ISO images. hope it won't disappoint. :D thanks john!

The clean high ISO images truly never dissapoints me. Spot metering is also one of the best features of the 30D. My favorite is changing ISO settings without even taking your eye off the viewfinder

good thing i didn't go for the 20D as I do use spot metering and per step ISO adjustments in my, er the E-500. w00t! lens nalang! haha! :D

lens? 24-105L na yan hahahahha

@chris, it's jon ;) hehe! anyhoo thanks, just getting my stuff ready for the 30D next tuesday :D

Hi, Dexter.

From a Star Wars pooint-of-view, your journey from the dark side is complete... hehehe :)

hi raf! haha! isn't the dark side, the N side? :D hehehe!

how useful is the iso 3200? do you guys use it on the 30d?

well if you really need to i guess then just use noise ninja but you really see the difference in quality when you shoot 3200, i guess you can try compensating by exposing a lil more to the right but i hope you have a tripod

enjoy, more on the 30D's ISO 3200 performance on my ehem independent test, here (http://www.pinoyphotography.org/forum/index.php?topic=8270.0).

thanks for the tests!
the thought that came to mind was how digital even allowed such iso 3200 captures!
To even get something similar in performance from film was unthinkable, even the Olympus 3200 was much better than the asa1000 i've shot from film.

The clean high ISO images truly never dissapoints me. Spot metering is also one of the best features of the 30D. My favorite is changing ISO settings without even taking your eye off the viewfinder

bunny! i bit the bullet and got my 30d last saturday at watsons (henry's was out of stock)!

loving it!

bunny! i bit the bullet and got my 30d last saturday at watsons (henry's was out of stock)!

loving it!


Congrats Hoch!!! Excellent purchase......I'll be expecting to see more nice portraits from you. Congrats again

@hochi

Don't forget to download the Canon Picture Styles (http://web.canon.jp/Imaging/picturestyle/shooting/file/index.html) into your 30D.

I suggest the Clear, Twilight & Emerald Picture styles.

hey thanks dave! :D