i just bought a spyder2express.. so i tried calibrating my monitor for the first time.. but there is a pop up message that says:

Sorry, no calibration data was found in the profile "sRGB Color Space Profile" for display "Plug and Play Monitor". Please select a different profile using 'ProfileChooser'. (1168)

What does this mean?

Btw, when I tried inserting a fill of 50% grey.. it doesn't look like grey.. it's a bit warm.. Maybe because of the white luminance thing? sorry I'm really new to this..

:RedEye:

i just bought a spyder2express.. so i tried calibrating my monitor for the first time.. but there is a pop up message that says:

Sorry, no calibration data was found in the profile "sRGB Color Space Profile" for display "Plug and Play Monitor". Please select a different profile using 'ProfileChooser'. (1168)

What does this mean?

Btw, when I tried inserting a fill of 50% grey.. it doesn't look like grey.. it's a bit warm.. Maybe because of the white luminance thing? sorry I'm really new to this..

:RedEye:

Where did you buy it?

With regards to the pop-up message, all you have to do is associate the new profile with your monitor. Right click on your desktop, choose Properties. Navigate thru the tabs and choose Advanced. In the Advanced section, choose the Color Management Tab, then add the profile that the Spyder created. Make sure that you make it the default profile.

Restart your computer.

It actually is warm. That has been the comment of most photographers who bought the Spyder. Do remember that you came from a uncalibrated cool monitor. It takes time for your eyes and brain to adjust to the changes that the Spyder made. Took us a while to.

It means that the Spyder2express software is trying to load the sRGB Color Space Profile instead of the Spyder2express profile for your monitor.

Method 1:
Assuming you're using a Windows machine, you can do this in the Windows Color Control Panel Applet and click the Profiles tab > Click Install and browse to this folder:
C:\Windows\system32\spool\drivers\color\
Select the Spyder2Express file.

Method 2:
If you don't have the Microsoft Color Applet, right-click on the desktop, click on properties > Settings tab > Advanced and find a dialog box where you assign a profile to your monitor.
The Spyder2express profile is located in C:\Windows\system32\spool\drivers\color\

After you've done any of these, just log off and log in again for the changes to take effect.

Where did you buy it?

With regards to the pop-up message, all you have to do is associate the new profile with your monitor. Right click on your desktop, choose Properties. Navigate thru the tabs and choose Advanced. In the Advanced section, choose the Color Management Tab, then add the profile that the Spyder created. Make sure that you make it the default profile.

Restart your computer.

It actually is warm. That has been the comment of most photographers who bought the Spyder. Do remember that you came from a uncalibrated cool monitor. It takes time for your eyes and brain to adjust to the changes that the Spyder made. Took us a while to.

thank you so much sir... i did it! um.. i bought it in cathay photo in singapore...
:D

It means that the Spyder2express software is trying to load the sRGB Color Space Profile instead of the Spyder2express profile for your monitor.

Method 1:
Assuming you're using a Windows machine, you can do this in the Windows Color Control Panel Applet and click the Profiles tab > Click Install and browse to this folder:
C:\Windows\system32\spool\drivers\color\
Select the Spyder2Express file.

Method 2:
If you don't have the Microsoft Color Applet, right-click on the desktop, click on properties > Settings tab > Advanced and find a dialog box where you assign a profile to your monitor.
The Spyder2express profile is located in C:\Windows\system32\spool\drivers\color\

After you've done any of these, just log off and log in again for the changes to take effect.


thank you! i'm logging off now.. :D

Also make sure that your monitor has been on for at least 30 minutes. Remember that colors also do shift depending on the type of ambient light. I had a whole course on this and I think I slept through almost half of it. ZZZZZzzzzzzz.

@Richard: I think that applies to CRT monitors only, right?

@Richard: I think that applies to CRT monitors only, right?
It applies to both. I think it should be longer on CRT monitors. LCD monitors warm up faster.

@ Ria

Congrats on your purchase. At least I know now that you were listening in class :D

Warming up the monitor applies to both LCD and CRT. Although, it does take a bit longer for a CRT to warm up compared to an LCD.

@ Ria

Congrats on your purchase. At least I know now that you were listening in class :D

Warming up the monitor applies to both LCD and CRT. Although, it does take a bit longer for a CRT to warm up compared to an LCD.

yessir thank you! i've been bugging my parents to buy me the calibrator ever since you've introduced color management in our class! i'm excited to tweak the photos in ps and have it printed! woot!

:D

Teka lang. Where will you have your images printed?

Remember to convert the color profile of your images to the color profile of the photo lab for the paper (i.e. glossy/matte) that you will be using before you give them your files.

The same thing applies if you decide to use your Digiprint Pro membership. Convert your files first to the color profiles used by DigiPrint.

Cheers!

Jo Avila

P.S.

Ask your parents to buy you an inkjet printer :D

@ Nick & Nino

I hope that Sam gets to read this thread :D

yessir i remember! thank you! :D

Jo: Mine would be sa Digiprint, how would I know which of their profiles to use?

Jo: Mine would be sa Digiprint, how would I know which of their profiles to use?

oh yea.. just looked at the profiles now... i hope mr. vecin can answer this question as well..

what's the difference between the display and output profile? they have the metallic paper right? which one should we use for that kind of paper?

:D

question: is it true that it's still better to manipulate photos using a CRT monitor than the LCD?

Ria - I dont think you have the output profile for our mettalic paper. PM me your email address ill send it to you

oh yea.. just looked at the profiles now... i hope mr. vecin can answer this question as well..

what's the difference between the display and output profile? they have the metallic paper right? which one should we use for that kind of paper?

:D

Ria - I dont think you have the output profile for our mettalic paper. PM me your email address ill send it to you

i sent it already sir.. thank you! :D

Ria,

Pass by my studio next Saturday (May 12). I will be giving a talk on Basic Color Management and inkjet printing to my students from 2pm-5pm. I think that its time you took a refresher course :D

Jo: Mine would be sa Digiprint, how would I know which of their profiles to use?

The ICC profiles are labeled as either matte or glossy :D

A display profile like the one you generate when using the Spyder is what you use for your monitor display. The output profile is what you use to softproof in Photoshop. You will also have to convert your digital file to the output profile prior to sending it to Digiprint for printing.

If everything is done properly, you can instruct Digiprint to print your files as is (no lab technician correction). The output should be a close match to what you saw on your display monitor.

oh yea.. just looked at the profiles now... i hope mr. vecin can answer this question as well..

what's the difference between the display and output profile? they have the metallic paper right? which one should we use for that kind of paper?

:D

question: is it true that it's still better to manipulate photos using a CRT monitor than the LCD?

CRTs give you a more accurate preview. CRTs are also easier to calibrate and profile than an LCD. However, CRTs do need a bit more time to warm up prior to calibration, profiling or for use in color editing. :D

Ria,

Pass by my studio next Saturday (May 12). I will be giving a talk on Basic Color Management and inkjet printing to my students from 2pm-5pm. I think that its time you took a refresher course :D

sir! yey i will attend it! hihi... libre po ba since refresher course naman? :D

The ICC profiles are labeled as either matte or glossy :D
sir just to clarify.. does this mean that the output profile can either be for matte or glossy? i thought icc profiles depended on paper. this would mean that different paper means different icc profiles, right? i don't know where to check if it is for matte or glossy.. the icc profiles are named as display and output.. i asked the technician in mega mall to print it in matte but asked him to take note that the icc profile i used was the Output file name...

:RedEye:

A display profile like the one you generate when using the Spyder is what you use for your monitor display.


sir, does this mean i need to use this display profile instead of the spyder profile?

Let's talk about what color profiles/spaces you need.

Your display profile is generated by your Spyder. Make sure that your PC systems loads it upon start up.

All your digital files need to have embedded/assigned/tagged color profiles. Always assign the correct color profile in the event of a Missing Profile warning. Always preserve the embedded color profile in the event of Profile Mismatch warning.

Use North America Prepress2 as your color settings in Photoshop. This should also set your color workspace to Adobe RGB. Never specify your display profile as your color workspace.

You will need the ICC profile for the printer and paper for softproofing in Photoshop using the View>Custom Setup.

You will also need the ICC profile for the printer and the paper either when you print directly from your computer to a inkjet printer OR when you convert your file from its source color profile/space to the destination color profile/space of the photo lab prior to having the image printed.

Be sure to use the same rendering intent that you used for soft proofing when printing or converting.

@Jo,

Can you explain the differences between the main rendering intents... e.g.

Relative Colormetric/Absolute Colormetric/Saturation and Perceptual.


Mike

Gamut mapping is making the color space or gamut of colors of one color profile fit another one that has a different size and shape.

How you make the colors fit during gamut mapping is dependent on which rendering intent you choose.

There are two basic methods used for rendering intents. There is gamut compression and gamut clipping.

Gamut compression compresses the range of colors of the original gamut into the destination gamut.

Gamut clipping takes all of the colors that are out of gamut and maps them to the closest colors that is within the destination gamut.

The perceptual rendering intent uses gamut compression. Using this rendering intent transforms the colors of the image in the destination space so that they are perceived in the same way as the original. The perceptual rendering intent is weighted to deal with luminance over saturation and hue. Our eyes are quick to notice shape and detail which are provided by luminance information.

I would use the perceptual rendering intent if there are a lot of out of gamut colors in the original space compared to the destination space.

The saturated rendering intent uses gamut clipping. It is biased to produce the most vivid colors (which really isn't always a good thing if you're printing photos).

Relative colorimetric also uses the gamut clipping technique. This rendering intent takes into account the white of both the source and the destination color spaces (paper white). This rendering intent will only affect out of gamut colors.

Absolute colorimetric uses no gamut mapping, hence no color conversion. I usually use this to print images as is (assuming that the file has already been converted to the color space/gamut/profile of my printer and the paper that I am using).

BTW, I'm lounging at a wifi hotspot here in Cainta, Rizal. I had Andrew Rodney's book in my laptop bag :D I basically quoted the pertinent parts of the book that I highlighted.

I brought it with me to catch up on my reading. I didn't think it would come in so handy right now :D

Thanks for that. A very simple, concise and understandable explanation. Some web sites just give you too much information and leave you more confused than when you started.

Mike

Nice gist and summary... Jo! :) Thanks.

@ Mike

Andrew Rodney's book has a longer and more technical explanation regarding your query about rendering intent.

What is written is a bit of information overload. But at least the information isn't lacking.

Thanks Jo, I'll look out for his book, where did you get your copy?

"Color Management for Photographers"

Mike

I bought a copy last year from Fully Booked in Rockwell Powerplant.

I recently saw that they also had in stock "Color Management for Dummies."

It doesn't cover color management as in depth as Rodney's book. But at least the basics are in there. But the book's contents is dominated by color correction tips and workflows.

A few personal notes regarding the rendering intents.

I've noticed that my highlights tend to be brighter when I use the perceptual rendering intent. Using this rendering intent also produces the greatest amount of color shift when converting or gamut mapping from one color space to another.

My shadows become less black or they lose a bit of richness when I use the relative colorimetric rendering intent. I personally tend to favor using this rendering intent because it produces less of a color shift than perceptual.

The saturation rendering intent has been recommended to be the best one to use when printing solid color graphics like logos. Colorvision has also recommended that you use this rendering intent when converting to a custom ICC profile that was created using PrintFIX Pro.

The absolute colorimetric rendering intent is useful when comparing two different color profiles of a similar size and shape. I would use this if there is only a negligible amount of color shift between the two color profiles. This would mean that I would not have to do any color conversion and how the RGB values are mapped between the two different color profiles are very close.

The choice of which rendering intent to use is image dependent. Certain images and the difference in color profiles used may tend to favor using one rendering intent over another. I would recommend experimentation and experience :D

Yup, it's for free just for you :D

sir! yey i will attend it! hihi... libre po ba since refresher course naman? :D

@ Mike

I think I forgot to mention that there is also no standardized method for how a rendering intent is applied. A program like Photoshop might have a different method for applying the Perceptual rendering intent and will produce different results compared to Canon DPP using EPP Pro.

Hello Sir Jo! I just got my spyder2 express and it improve the image of my screen specially the gray and black. However, how will I know if my monitor is already calibrated because I can still see some discrepancy with some of the images? Or do I need to attend your refresher course on Color Management? :)

Attend the refresher course and always remember that the screen and the print will never match 100% :D

Cheers!

Jo Avila