hindi ko po alam kung san ko ilalagay yung thread kaya dito na lang.

tanung lang po. kasi nag free-freelance po ako na photographer sa publications. tas pag may event, madalas, hinahanapan ako ng Press ID nung mga bouncer. sino po may alam kung pano makakakuha nun o pano gumawa nun? thank you po. :D :Oops: :D

I dont think you can just create one. After "creating" one, you have to have yourself accredited to the venues or events that you will be attending (ex Cuneta Astrodome or Araneta Coliseum or PBA for that matter).

unless you actually work for a media outfit or a publication, you automatically get a PRESS ID. I work for one and our company ID IS a PRESS ID. otherwise, you could ask the publication that you're freelancing for if they could furnish you with one, i'm sure they're quite open to that. :)

Hi Kristine,

i find it funny that the bouncers still have to look for your press ID because the assumption is that you are hired to cover the event. therefore, those who hired you should either give your name to the security/coordinators so that they'll know that you are there to shoot, or simply give you a pass.

a press pass can be had if you work for a media body--hence the term 'press'. or if you organize your own media body and have your passes accredited. sometimes, simply having a 'press pass' won't guarantee you entry especially to a private event. case-in-point: araneta coliseum. they should accredit your press pass first before they'll let you in.

hth!

warm regards!

Bouncer.. :D

sabi kasi sakin pag pinapadala nila ako sa mga event ok na daw tas tagal bago ako papasukin... :( oh well... hirap pag baguhan... naiignorante ako. nyways. :) tnx guys. :)

Hi Kristine,

You have two (2) options, you either show them your contract with the publication as their freelance photographer or you can get a discount card for professional photographers from Fuji Digital Imaging. I use it everytime I go to offices for a photoshoot but they think that I work for Fuji Film, not knowing that it is only a discount card. Well, if it works for me, I think it can also work for you. You also have an advantage because you're a lady and can use your charms. You can get a card for only Php 250.00 a year but it is renewable for free if you meet the minimum requirements for printing. You need to register your business name with the DTI to be accredited by Fuji as a professional photographer.

Another thing you have to prepare is a security check-list of your equipment. This is one of the basic documents needed in entering any corporate event. You can also ask for a Press ID from the organizers of the event. Hope this helps.

thank you so much sir Eric. :)

hi Kristine,

1. ask the publications kung san ka nagfree-freelance if they're willing to issue you their company i.d.
2. sign up as a member of the National Press Club, they'll issue you a National Press Club i.d.
3. sign up as a member of one of the "press clubs" at the Senate, House of representatives, Defense Press Corps (Camp Aguinaldo), but of course they'll have to see you there and be familiar with you to allow you to sign up.
4. contact the federation of media workers in the philippines
5. or, call the organizers in advance to tell them that you're covering the event for such and such publication so they'll expect you at the venue, ask to look for someone when you get there. or ask the publication to write a letter addressed to the organizers telling them that you're covering the event for them.

jing

thank you po. :) kinakabahan ako sa monday. wala akong press id sa rally. pag dinampot ako walang makakakilala sa akin... hehe. :)

sama po pala kayo ng SONA mobilization. sa UP palama hall po ang kitaan. umaga. salamat po. :)

suggestion lang that the group should have an id (it doesn’t matter if press is not printed) just incase trouble comes...not for a pass but for identifying us that we belong to a certain well known group of photographers? - na mention ko na ito sa ibang forum. thanks po.

Hi Kristine,

You're welcome. If you are not getting paid to take photos of the SONA on Monday, I suggest you just stay home and watch it on television. But if you are commissioned by one of the organizers or rallyists, I suggest you get an authorization letter from them to cover the event. It is also wise to stay near the Official Media People like Channel 2, & 7 etc. so that some elements will not abuse you when there is a public disturbance going on. If you have a film-based SLR, I also recommend you use it that day so that you won't feel bad just in case it gets wet from the canon hose of the firetrucks. Your digital camera should either be insured or paid for in case of accidents during the event. Don't forget to bring extra food, water and shirt. We should always be prepared for the unexpected. Good Luck and Best Wishes.

big thanks for the advice. :) papunta na ako quezon hal. +kaba+ +kaba+

as far as i know press id for photographers are usually given by the newspaper to their employees or in-house photographers...some are given to freelancers but you would have to know someone in the newspaper for the editor to view AND print your pictures...once they see one they like and print it chances are is that they will give you a press id

Ok here's one tip, you can get an ID from Press Media Asociation of the Philippines (PMAP). You need to register and pay Php 1K and they will issue you a Press ID renewable yearly. Then you can buy an ID wallet from Y2K sa R. Hidalgo and presto you'll get access to events of course except private ones like in Araneta where you will still need to register with them. Another way is to be a member of International Freelancer Press Organization (IFPO). Go to their website and register at US$ 60 lifetime membership. They will issue credentials in their various programs. Goodluck.

Ok here's one tip, you can get an ID from Press Media Asociation of the Philippines (PMAP). You need to register and pay Php 1K and they will issue you a Press ID renewable yearly. Then you can buy an ID wallet from Y2K sa R. Hidalgo and presto you'll get access to events of course except private ones like in Araneta where you will still need to register with them. Another way is to be a member of International Freelancer Press Organization (IFPO). Go to their website and register at US$ 60 lifetime membership. They will issue credentials in their various programs. Goodluck.

gil, have you actually tried any of the two options you mentioned? just curious....there doesn't seem to be a website for PMAP. IFPO has several options alright, but the question would be if this i.d. is honored by AIPS. most international events require an AIPS registration no. :)

anyone know the phone number or address of PMAP? this sounds like a really viable option for those starting out as photojourns

Yes I have an ID of PMAP and so far no problems. I was able to access public events with no problems. In one of the rallies in Makati I was at the backstage with the big shots happily taking pictures. Also used the ID in Aliwan Street dance and Independence Day celebration at the grandstand. You can try calling Cyrill 09182409314. Cyrill is the secretary of PMAP and their office is at the back of National Press Club in the same compound. Please mention my name Gil Penaflorida to her.

Yes I have an ID of PMAP and so far no problems. I was able to access public events with no problems. In one of the rallies in Makati I was at the backstage with the big shots happily taking pictures. Also used the ID in Aliwan Street dance and Independence Day celebration at the grandstand. You can try calling Cyrill 09182409314. Cyrill is the secretary of PMAP and their office is at the back of National Press Club in the same compound. Please mention my name Gil Penaflorida to her.
:) Gil Bro. Nice meeting you here too... Hingi rin ako ng tips pagkuha ng PMAP ID :Grin:

A friend of mine asked if I wanted a "Bulgar" or "New Tiktik" press ID....Nyak!!!! I don't do soft porn pics.

Yes I have an ID of PMAP and so far no problems. I was able to access public events with no problems. In one of the rallies in Makati I was at the backstage with the big shots happily taking pictures. Also used the ID in Aliwan Street dance and Independence Day celebration at the grandstand. You can try calling Cyrill 09182409314. Cyrill is the secretary of PMAP and their office is at the back of National Press Club in the same compound. Please mention my name Gil Penaflorida to her.

is everyone welcome to register at PMAP?

A friend of mine asked if I wanted a "Bulgar" or "New Tiktik" press ID....Nyak!!!! I don't do soft porn pics.
:Grin: That's Hilarious Caloy... There's nothing worse than tabloid quality soft porn...

Hi earl sige pre just posted the number of Cyrill anyone can get basta may referral no problem just tell her Gil gave you her cell number. meron din sya pang sticker sa car winshield mga 300 yata but I did not get one pa.

I also plan to sell my 85 1.4 you've seen it diba mint na mint with box pa. I find the 28-70 filling my portrait needs already and shrpness is unbelievable. I'll soon buy the D200 and my MF lenses will work with it I have lots of fast primes that I can use meron pa akong 50 1.2 and 35 1.4.

Hi earl sige pre just posted the number of Cyrill anyone can get basta may referral no problem just tell her Gil gave you her cell number. meron din sya pang sticker sa car winshield mga 300 yata but I did not get one pa.

I also plan to sell my 85 1.4 you've seen it diba mint na mint with box pa. I find the 28-70 filling my portrait needs already and shrpness is unbelievable. I'll soon buy the D200 and my MF lenses will work with it I have lots of fast primes that I can use meron pa akong 50 1.2 and 35 1.4.
:) I'll do the homework Gil. Sige don't worry. Thanks sa backup.

Yes I have an ID of PMAP and so far no problems.
gil, can i use you as referal too? :) how about the IFPA , do you have this id too? i'm really curious about it.

gil, can i use you as referal too? :) how about the IFPA , do you have this id too? i'm really curious about it.
Though I cannot answer for my friend Gil directly leni, however knowing this guy... I'm sure he'll help... PM him. :)

It's ok you can use my name no problem as what Earl said ........ yung IFPO wala pa akong membership but i guess it's good kasi pwede pang magbigay ng assignment letter pag may gusto kang i shoot na event. IFPO is also owns a photography mag and you automatically have a free subscription lifetime din when you are a member. You wil also have opportunities for some money making shoots pag may nagbigay ng photo assignment from abroad.

thanks Gil....more power to you!

So okidokee let's all approach Cyrill in a civilized way, baka magulat siya at mabigla :) Gil, galing mo talaga Partner... I'll second Neil's post... More power din!

thanks for the info sir gil...

anyone know's who to contact at araneta for media passes?what i mean is access to araneta events for coverage.. who to caontact. i heard that they dont allow just any "press" to get in.. kailangan approved nila. anyone know who is handling their press passes?

I've been reading this thread for the past days and I find some of the posts disquieting. Allow me to share my views of the matter.

First, it is sad that some people view press IDs as a pass to the best seats, often for free, at restaurants, sporting, social and political events. Okay, maybe because it is. I have to admit that I know some reporters who are arrogant, and press photographers who are known for attending an event for the food. That is really reprehensible.

Who isn't familiar with the newspaper reporter who thinks he is king of the world? Or the TV journalist who thinks he/she can get away with a traffic violation because he/she is from the media (that's the purpose of the conspicuous PRESS sticker on the windshield)? But there are still respected journalists who have managed to preserve their integrity through the years.

Going back to the issue, my point really is that wearing and flashing a PRESS ID when you are not really a news journalist or you don't belong to a press agency is misrepresentation. Membership in a press/media organization should be open to bona fide journalists who demonstrate their standing through examples of their work. It's not supposed to be something to be had by merely paying a yearly membership fee. Ever heard of the term hao-siao?

But if securing a press ID is as easy as getting a referral or knowing the right person to approach, I guess that really speaks of the partly ill state of journalism in this country.

I do appreciate your concern Norman but let me point out that having a press ID does not necessarily mean that you are connected or affiliated with a specific news organization. Journalism is just lke keeping a diary of events whether in photo, video or write-ups. The PMAP ID is an association membership which includes freelancers. If you may note an international agency, the International Freelancer Photographers Organization (IFPO) which can be accessed via the internet at ifpo.com, is recruiting members with a membership fee of US$ 60 and will entitle one to have press credentials and even photo assignments. This is perfectly legal and has been very helpful to budding and professional photographers who are not full time employed by any news org.

Going out there and bragging about being a press person to get accomodation is simply a matter of individual responsibility which is beyond anyone's control. It might be easier and cheaper to go to the infamous C.M. Recto to get an NBI, Police or any gov't. enforcement agency which is much much cheaper than the required fee of Php 1K if you want to flaunt your status. We are just photographers who want to chronicle events for whatever purpose we might need them. We can submit them to the major dailies for puiblication with our names on it, for portfolio purposes or we might want to write a coffee table book that we can publish. IMO, our assumptions should be that the interested individuals will be responsible enough specially members of DPI. And please do take note that I am just sharing whatever I have and know to our co-members and that I am not promoting PMAP for vested interest.

Hi all,

Just joined this forum today! Interesting discussion. Maganda talaga kung merong iba't ibang viewpoints on an issue.

I know there there are a lot of freelancers out there (like myself) who give themselves "self-assignments" but are not fully able to do so because of the ID requirements. It is unfortunate that freelancing and self-assignments are concepts not well understood by most. And to think that we may be doing these, not solely for economic reasons, but for artistic and maybe just for the pleasure of practicing our craft of photography.

I was once accosted in a public market (Cubao Farmers Market) for taking pictures. I told the guards I do this as a hobby and that I am a freelance photojournalist - to no avail.

Lastly, I have learned of "photographers rights" and that there is a lot of discussion on this on the web. Practicing this however is becoming increasing difficult especially as paranoia sets in among our people and our government.

My two cents worth. Cheers!

Phil

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So how do you get as near as this? Fresh from assault of Abu Sayaf at Camp Vicente Lim

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Even this is difficult w/o an ID
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and more does this not make me a photojournalist heck i need an ID to get all of these but never used it for something else and PMAP might be happy with all these images
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Nice photos Gil as well as a good solid point... "It really all depends on the user's responsibility to which or whatever affiliation he might subject himself to. Ergo, if you have a PMAP ID or whatever, you should go abide by its, bylaws, rules and regulations... That's it." :)

Thanks Earl......btw erratum ,the soldiers photo was taken at Camp Bagong Diwa ...

I do appreciate your concern Norman but let me point out that having a press ID does not necessarily mean that you are connected or affiliated with a specific news organization. Journalism is just lke keeping a diary of events whether in photo, video or write-ups. The PMAP ID is an association membership which includes freelancers. If you may note an international agency, the International Freelancer Photographers Organization (IFPO) which can be accessed via the internet at ifpo.com, is recruiting members with a membership fee of US$ 60 and will entitle one to have press credentials and even photo assignments. This is perfectly legal and has been very helpful to budding and professional photographers who are not full time employed by any news org.

Going out there and bragging about being a press person to get accomodation is simply a matter of individual responsibility which is beyond anyone's control. It might be easier and cheaper to go to the infamous C.M. Recto to get an NBI, Police or any gov't. enforcement agency which is much much cheaper than the required fee of Php 1K if you want to flaunt your status. We are just photographers who want to chronicle events for whatever purpose we might need them. We can submit them to the major dailies for puiblication with our names on it, for portfolio purposes or we might want to write a coffee table book that we can publish. IMO, our assumptions should be that the interested individuals will be responsible enough specially members of DPI. And please do take note that I am just sharing whatever I have and know to our co-members and that I am not promoting PMAP for vested interest.
Gil,
I'm sorry but journalism, contrary to what your idea of it, is not "just like keeping a diary of events whether via photos, videos or write-ups." Because if that is the case, all of us can consider ourselves journalists. An important element of the profession, aside from the collection, editing and presentation of news, is publication or broadcast. I'm sure you know that.

Just because you are chronicling an event "for whatever purpose" does not make you one, in the same way that you can't call yourself a doctor because you suddenly decide you want to cure people. Neither does one instantly become a photojournalist just because you shoot a rally or any other event for your own personal reasons. In my view, 'press' and 'media,' as well as 'freelance' are very much abused terms, in the same way that the position is being abused by some who enjoy it.

About freelance organizations, my opinion is that you should think twice about joining any group that issues a press pass for a fee (and doesn't have any other demands aside from getting your money). Besides, a press pass from just about any organization will get you nowhere if the organization is not accredited by whomever is in charge of the event you are attending -- a point that has been stressed earlier. Event organizers are getting wiser now, you know.

Finally, I will have to disagree with your statement that one should assume that interested individuals "will be responsible enough," or Earl's position that "it really depends on the user." But that's already moot since at the moment, just about anybody can get a press ID if he has the money. And because of this, your claim that "having a press ID does not necessarily mean that you are connected or affiliated with a specific news organization" is oh so true!

Regards,
Norman

Let me correct it should be labelled photojournalism my mistake but nevertheless this forum is about photojournalism and not necessarily journalism profession. Let me put up some definitions of photojournalism:

Merriam Webster

" journalism in which written copy is subordinate to pictorial usually photographic presentation of news stories or in which a high proportion of pictorial presentation is used broadly"

Fact Monster

"news photography, whether or not for primarily pictorial media, publications or stories"

I have posted some pictures of photojournalistic nature as the story that lies within is intended to be. There were 2 movie personlaities there and can be labelled as glamour and fashion but the nature in which it was taken is not for that purpose but rather as a chronicle of the event that can later be compiled to produce a story. The 1st one is during a film awards night of the PMPC and the 2nd is the making of an album of the artist. These 2 pics were submitted to a magazine publisher for their publication.

So how do we reckon the IFPO's purpose, why do they issue press credentials? Simply because the freelancers should have a way of shooting photojournalistic events Without it most of us will have difficulties to pursue our aspirations in photojournalism.

i have been able to shoot photojournalism without any press ID. manila bulletin and inquirer have been really nice and accomodating to let students like myself to go and shoot with them. but they will always tell you that it would be better to have a press ID, even if it's just from you school paper.

they say that this is needed especially in rallies when the rallyists can mistake you for a "spy" or something.

i personally have experienced being cornered by some protesters. they asked me if what publication i was taking photos for since they noticed that i didn't have any ID on me. but they relaxed when i told them i was a student and showed them my school ID. they were not threatining naman or whatsoever but it's still a wake-up call to get an ID and the people from the press say that bad things really do happen to people with no IDs (a lot got beaten up already, even mugged).

Best,

John

Yes absolutely the point....... btw, you can also do your own ID as what I did early on until I found out that I can get one from at least a legitimate org that can issue the much needed ID. I do shoot almost all rallies here whenever I have the time for future compilation ........

Let me correct it should be labelled photojournalism my mistake but nevertheless this forum is about photojournalism and not necessarily journalism profession. Let me put up some definitions of photojournalism:

Merriam Webster

" journalism in which written copy is subordinate to pictorial usually photographic presentation of news stories or in which a high proportion of pictorial presentation is used broadly"

Fact Monster

"news photography, whether or not for primarily pictorial media, publications or stories"

I have posted some pictures of photojournalistic nature as the story that lies within is intended to be. There were 2 movie personlaities there and can be labelled as glamour and fashion but the nature in which it was taken is not for that purpose but rather as a chronicle of the event that can later be compiled to produce a story. The 1st one is during a film awards night of the PMPC and the 2nd is the making of an album of the artist. These 2 pics were submitted to a magazine publisher for their publication.

So how do we reckon the IFPO's purpose, why do they issue press credentials? Simply because the freelancers should have a way of shooting photojournalistic events Without it most of us will have difficulties to pursue our aspirations in photojournalism.
Photojournalism is distinguished from other close branches of photography such as documentary, street or celebrity photography by the element of timeliness. News photographers generally shoot scenes that have meaning in the context of a published chronological record of events.

I noticed that you underlined the words "whether or not" in the definition given by Fact Monster. It may seem to suggest that "news photography" doesn't have to be published or broadcast. On the other hand, the same site defines news photography as "journalism in which photography dominates written copy, as in certain magazines."

It's hard to think of news in the journalistic sense as material not being published or aired. Common sense dictates that news — again, I'm speaking here of news as understood and studied by journalism experts — is "material reported in a newspaper or news periodical or on a newscast." (Meriam Webster Dictionary)

Being able to troubleshoot and fix a computer hardware problem doesn't make you a technician. And just because you can belt a Sinatra classic doesn't mean that you are a singer in the professional sense. Being able to weave words into a poem doesn't give you the distinction of being a poet. And being able to write a (crappy) book doesn't turn you into a writer.

The illustration goes on and on, and my point really is that being able to shoot a rally or a fashion event doesn't automatically make you a photojournalist, or a fashion photographer, for that matter. Heck, anybody who owns a camera, including my niece, can do that!

Like I wrote in my previous post, becoming a journalist/photojournalist is not just a matter of getting a press ID or at least, it is not supposed to be. Membership in a press/media organization should be open to bona fide (read: neither specious nor counterfeit; genuine) journalists who demonstrate their standing through examples of their work.

Gil, this is is a sincere question on my part and is not meant to offend you or anyone: Do you consider yourself a photojournalist? Because the last time I checked, you were the country manager of a multinational company. =B)

Regards,
Norman

A journalist and a photographer practicing photojournalism... The common denominator: The camera, THE ID... Differences: Credentials and Motive. :)

Let's just all practice responsible photography to avoid all the confusion. :)

Norman I am and still am full time employed in that company. Photography is my hobby sort of a de-stressing activity I do whenever I have the time. I am into this hobby for many many years and I admire the photojournalist of the times like Henri Cartier Bresson who mainly uses B&W and a 50mm lens. I still use my MF cameras until now mainly for photojounalistic and landscape images. I am not a professional PJ but I do contribute from time to time images to magazines and news media. I sent a whole bunch of street demo pics (600 images in full res archived in a DVD) to my cousin in USA who happens to work for a media network in California and was paid some amount of money for that though not big it's more than enough for the joy I had in having someone appreciate them.

I believe the issue lies in what we both disagree upon. getting a press/media ID to gain access to an event . I tried to help our friends here and you seem to be bothered with the idea. I am sure most of our friends here loved the idea of getting one as you may know, we really need that to be able to gain access. In a recent shoot, Independence Day celeb in Luneta grandstand, the police and PSG only allowed those with Press IDs to be at the photographer's area because GMA is the guest speaker there. If not for my PMAP ID I could have been one of those trying to get good frames in the area where you need an elevated space to be able to shoot otherwise you'll get pleanty of headshots there (the crowds though). Also, in one of the rallies I shot, legit media person was nearly lynched by the crowd due to mere suspicion and absence of identification.

TO my mind I am a photojournalist and I love this style of photography. All my shots of street demonstations will one day be in a book which I hope to publish ...... it will be a photo essay with some write-ups. I will make sure that I have access and security to all this events by bringing with me always my Press ID. Ok fine if you think that is not photojournalism I really don't mind whatever term ....a snapshooter maybe.......

Gil,
Yes, I still insist that a non-media practitioner should not pass himself off as a member of the press if he really is not. I rest my case.

nice, but very limited discussion of an issue plaguing philippine media: the proliferation of press card-bearing individuals (not just photographers, fyi) with no legitimate (mass) medium (newspaper, magazine, TV and the like). IMO, an association of photographers cannot just issue "press" IDs, for the question arises as to what particular medium will their work/s be published or see print. my suggestion for those serious about being photojournalists (as a hobby, from what i gather in this thread) is to apply as photo contributors or correspondents with the various nationally circulated newspapers. this, i believe, will give legitimacy to the "photojournalist" tag. "freelancing", IMO, is a much misunderstood--perhaps misused--term in philippine journalism.

sir raul.. good idea about applying as a photo contributor.. thing is.. what portfolio will you show? without a folio, none of the editors will get you as a contributor. as gil pointed out.. it is hard to shoot events without a legitimate pass ... can be dangerous or just plain impossible.

francis, you have to identify which type of photos you want to contribute. bear in mind that the major newspapers have a pool of staff photographers who are assigned to cover the events that you see published every morning on the front pages--rallies, national sporting competitions, political gatherings, congressional hearings, relief operations, typhoons, the oil spill, etc. perhaps it would be wise to find a niche in the photographic needs of newspapers. one area i can think of is human interest photos. though staff photographers are on the lookout for this type of pictures, i believe there are thousands of human interest opportunities out there that don't require a press pass, but only a camera, for you to take. just keep on contributing them, and as the newspaper/s see more of your work, the chances of becoming a regular contributor get bigger.

bati tayo lahat dito ha! :) peace out yo!:) hehe! tatatanung lang naman ako nung una.. ngayun lang uli ako nakabisita dito.. hehe. lets all be preyndly prends! ang mga wringkols! marami palang salamat sa mga tumulong sa aking problem. maganda din at ngayun alam ko na kung panu makakakuha ng press ID. Mahirap din kasi pag freelance ka tas di ka nabibigyan dahil parang hassle lang siguro sa kanila dahil freelance lang naman yung work. Mahirap din kasi mabastos at ma harass tas wala ka maipakitang proof na photographer ka talaga.. at syempre.. lalo na pag may rally, mahirap damputin ng pulis tas wala ka I.D.

maraming salamat po sa inyong lahat. bow! :)

bati tayo lahat dito ha! :) peace out yo!:) hehe! tatatanung lang naman ako nung una.. ngayun lang uli ako nakabisita dito.. hehe. lets all be preyndly prends! ang mga wringkols! marami palang salamat sa mga tumulong sa aking problem. maganda din at ngayun alam ko na kung panu makakakuha ng press ID. Mahirap din kasi pag freelance ka tas di ka nabibigyan dahil parang hassle lang siguro sa kanila dahil freelance lang naman yung work. Mahirap din kasi mabastos at ma harass tas wala ka maipakitang proof na photographer ka talaga.. at syempre.. lalo na pag may rally, mahirap damputin ng pulis tas wala ka I.D.

maraming salamat po sa inyong lahat. bow! :)

:) Don't worry Kristine... Some here just have their differences in opinion; however nothing is superimposed naman eh...

my two cents please... an I.D. is still an I.D., meaning it helps identify who you are, really, it doesn't matter what I.D. we carry for as long as we know how not to abuse and dis-use whatever perks that comes with these things. and both parties have good intentions (Sir Gil Penaflorida, thanks for sharing and Mr. Norman Aquino, thanks for the insight and reminder), but with due respect... I believe members of this forum are all well-bred beings and will never be prone to abusing any previleges extended their way. (peace mga kuya ha, expressing my opinion lang po dahil pareho kayong may point :D )

my two cents please... an I.D. is still an I.D., meaning it helps identify who you are, really, it doesn't matter what I.D. we carry for as long as we know how not to abuse and misuse whatever perks that come with these things.

Yes, it does matter. Wearing an ID that identifies you as something you really aren't is misrepresentation.


I believe members of this forum are all well-bred beings and will never be prone to abusing any previleges extended their way.

You believe that, but do you know that?

Regards,
Norman

Yes, it does matter. Wearing an ID that identifies you as something you really aren't is misrepresentation.



You believe that, but do you know that?

Regards,
Norman


huy kuya peace tayo ha. :D palagay ko nagka bad experience ka na sa posers kaya I can't blame you for being cautious. and waaaah, i concede, i don't know naman, i just believe since until otherwise proven, all people i meet are okay. and about the misrepresentation, i think it more apt to comment on a case to case basis, meaning, that really depends kuya sa personality nung individual who's gonna ba using the I.D. but saludo ako sa iyo because you are very quick to point out that in everything we do, we have to be careful not to misrepresent ourselves. ( i know that it is for our own protection also).

huy kuya peace tayo ha. :D

Peace tayo, ate. =B)

Peace tayo, ate. =B)

yup, peace :)

Peace! peace! Si hochi inaasar ako! sabi kasalana ko kung bakit nagkainitan dito kasi ako daw nagsimula nung thread! :( iyak ayo.... Joke lang hochi! :) bati na kayo lahat ha.... ako lang po isang naguguluhang bata na medyo takut na magshoot ng walang ID kasi di ako masyado pinapasin pag humihingi ako sa kung saan ako nag free-freelance.. kasi freelance lang daw naman at kaya ko na daw ng walang ID... (ngunit subalit hindi... ) basta peace na ha! peace! peace! hugs for everyone! (hug!) (hug!) hehe! :)

naku Kristine, ako alang ID pero shoot ako basta feel ko (salamat naman wala pang sumisita o dumadampot sa akin). *hugs* ala naman nagkakainitan. si kuya norman ay nagmamalasakit lang na ipaalam sa atin (hanep tagalog ini) na mahirap masabitan ng kasong misrepresentation (at siya'y tama) inaalala lang niya ang kapakanan ng kanyang kasamahan. (ang sweet di ba?) *mwah*
helo kuya :D

pahabol: pero kuya Norms, feel ko yung suggestion ni Kuya Gil (elo agen) dahil para may I.D. ako, para makilala ako kapag nadampot ako o natsugi:Scared: . (wehehe nagpapatawa lang po mga serious poepel)

naku Kristine, ako alang ID pero shoot ako basta feel ko (salamat naman wala pang sumisita o dumadampot sa akin). *hugs* ala naman nagkakainitan. si kuya norman ay nagmamalasakit lang na ipaalam sa atin (hanep tagalog ini) na mahirap masabitan ng kasong misrepresentation (at siya'y tama) inaalala lang niya ang kapakanan ng kanyang kasamahan. (ang sweet di ba?) *mwah*
helo kuya :D


abay oo! :Dum: alam ko iyon! *hugs* *mwah* heeeeee:D

Yes, it does matter. Wearing an ID that identifies you as something you really aren't is misrepresentation.



You believe that, but do you know that?

Regards,
Norman

I thought you rest your case....... misrepresentation? FYI, this is an association membership which includes freelancers. The members are duly recorded and numbered for easy tracking. You may not be aware that we were even invited and allowed to vote in the Philippine Press Photographers (PPP) recent election of officers? Any photographer can be a freelance contributor nothing can prevent that......

I thought you rest your case....... misrepresentation? FYI, this is an association membership which includes freelancers. The members are duly recorded and numbered for easy tracking. You may not be aware that we were even invited and allowed to vote in the Philippine Press Photographers (PPP) recent election of officers? Any photographer can be a freelance contributor nothing can prevent that......

ei kuya Gil, peace na, concerned lang si Kuya Norms dahil nowadays you know naman some people... :) sige iiyak si kristine niyan.

ei kuya Gil, peace na, concerned lang si Kuya Norms dahil nowadays you know naman some people... :) sige iiyak si kristine niyan.

mmmmmmm...:) so nice talaga naman...

siempri a, how can we take good pictures together if we are to let our differences in opinion take over. right? *mwah* peace...

Sige dahil sa kiss na yan I rest my case ...........

Sige dahil sa kiss na yan I rest my case ...........

yey, have a nice day kuya. *mwah* (again) :)

tnx jen you have a nice day too ........

Gil,
I'm sorry but journalism, contrary to what your idea of it, is not "just like keeping a diary of events whether via photos, videos or write-ups." Because if that is the case, all of us can consider ourselves journalists. An important element of the profession, aside from the collection, editing and presentation of news, is publication or broadcast. I'm sure you know that.

Just because you are chronicling an event "for whatever purpose" does not make you one, in the same way that you can't call yourself a doctor because you suddenly decide you want to cure people. Neither does one instantly become a photojournalist just because you shoot a rally or any other event for your own personal reasons. In my view, 'press' and 'media,' as well as 'freelance' are very much abused terms, in the same way that the position is being abused by some who enjoy it.

About freelance organizations, my opinion is that you should think twice about joining any group that issues a press pass for a fee (and doesn't have any other demands aside from getting your money). Besides, a press pass from just about any organization will get you nowhere if the organization is not accredited by whomever is in charge of the event you are attending -- a point that has been stressed earlier. Event organizers are getting wiser now, you know.

Finally, I will have to disagree with your statement that one should assume that interested individuals "will be responsible enough," or Earl's position that "it really depends on the user." But that's already moot since at the moment, just about anybody can get a press ID if he has the money. And because of this, your claim that "having a press ID does not necessarily mean that you are connected or affiliated with a specific news organization" is oh so true!

Regards,
Norman

I just came across this thread.

AMEN TO NORMAN! :Grin:

hell0,
i just want to react for the statement of aly yap( I dont think, you can just create one. After "creating" one, you have to have yourself accredited to the venues or events that you will be attending ) please do'nt do that ...i'm a photojournalist for 13 years ...photojournalism is different from advertising photography and what you call freelance photographer.Hindi ka basta basta makuha nang press id if your not responsible as a journalist ...dont ever make a false Press ID para kang paparazzi niyan(illegitimate photographer and irresponsible they only photograph to make money and destroy peoples life thats all)

Sa problema ni Kristine if your freelancing or contributung for a publication please ask for a Press ID for that publication or letter ...your position is not freelance photographer its photo correspondent....
thats all,but please bear in mind dont make any unaccredited PRESS ID

dear member,
if you really want a press ID just approach the chief of photographers and editor in chief in any publication its not for sale..If your really good in photography and responsible enough they will issue you a PRESS ID. your position in the is not freelance photographer but photocorrespondent.
DO YOU KNOW THAT ORDINARY PRESS ID IS NOT HONORED IN MAJOR EVENTS AND PRESIDENTIAL VISITS AND SO CALLED INTERNATIONAL CONVENTION like this coming ASEAN SUMMIT in CEBU.

^ Interesting thread... ate arlene ang puso ... :)

dear member,
if you really want a press ID just approach the chief of photographers and editor in chief in any publication its not for sale..If your really good in photography and responsible enough they will issue you a PRESS ID. your position in the is not freelance photographer but photocorrespondent.
DO YOU KNOW THAT ORDINARY PRESS ID IS NOT HONORED IN MAJOR EVENTS AND PRESIDENTIAL VISITS AND SO CALLED INTERNATIONAL CONVENTION like this coming ASEAN SUMMIT in CEBU.

Arlene, migs is right... Relax and breathe... FYI lang :) Do you know that typing all caps is almost synonymous to shouting in forum ethics? :Grin:

dear member,
if you really want a press ID just approach the chief of photographers and editor in chief in any publication its not for sale..If your really good in photography and responsible enough they will issue you a PRESS ID. your position in the is not freelance photographer but photocorrespondent.
DO YOU KNOW THAT ORDINARY PRESS ID IS NOT HONORED IN MAJOR EVENTS AND PRESIDENTIAL VISITS AND SO CALLED INTERNATIONAL CONVENTION like this coming ASEAN SUMMIT in CEBU.

Very True. I interned last year in one of the Newswires. They never gave me a press ID but I got to get an accreditation (as a photo intern) in events like SONA. Bigger events like Pacquiao and Sea Games are a lot more strict.

sorry for making it all caps...ini stress out ko lang...the important words

sorry for making it all caps...ini stress out ko lang...the important words

No worries Arlene... :)

Arlene, migs is right... Relax and breathe... FYI lang :) Do you know that typing all caps is almost synonymous to shouting in forum ethics? :Grin:

Earl Bro. I'm sure people of this forum are full-fledged to know proper from improper communication. I think pinoys have that natural fire in their blood specialy when they stand up to what they believe in. Its just a demarcation between fact and hearsay being stressed out. These breed of photographers are fearless and grounded in there abilities and thats what they use in there everyday lives. my two cents.

Earl Bro. I'm sure people of this forum are full-fledged to know proper from improper communication. I think pinoys have that natural fire in their blood specialy when they stand up to what they believe in. Its just a demarcation between fact and hearsay being stressed out. These breed of photographers are fearless and grounded in there abilities and thats what they use in there everyday lives. my two cents.

Migs, Acknowledged Bro. :Grin: No problem. :)

hindi ko po alam kung san ko ilalagay yung thread kaya dito na lang.

tanung lang po. kasi nag free-freelance po ako na photographer sa publications. tas pag may event, madalas, hinahanapan ako ng Press ID nung mga bouncer. sino po may alam kung pano makakakuha nun o pano gumawa nun? thank you po. :D :Oops: :D
if you shoot for any publications or news agency you can aquire one.

but i my line of work i've seen a lot of non-legit press id or non-legit persons carrying legit press id. Just plain gatecrasher. For me I just have no faith in those IDs.

Having a press ID doesn't mean you are allowed to shoot at any events. Most of the events now have guests list which means photographers are also included in the list.

I guess it's a plus thing to be working in the industry for so long... most of the time when owners, organizers & bouncers see me they just let me thru without any questions ask.

na-stress ako dito sa thread na 'to : )

na-stress ako dito sa thread na 'to : )

I know exactly what you mean. :Grin:

Correct me if i'm wrong guys. The only time you are required to have a press ID, is when the event is closed to the public. Correct? I mean if an event is out in the open, and I happen to have a camera, it's fine to shoot right? As long as you don't use it for commercial use.

Correct me if i'm wrong guys. The only time you are required to have a press ID, is when the event is closed to the public. Correct? I mean if an event is out in the open, and I happen to have a camera, it's fine to shoot right? As long as you don't use it for commercial use.
IMHO, you are required to have a press ID to verify that you really are from the press so that you can have access to coverages.

People who use Press IDs to flash it when cops flag them down or gatecrash in events should have some shame.

It's a good thing a lot of press officers are smart now. They require more information for accreditation.

IMHO, you are required to have a press ID to verify that you really are from the press so that you can have access to coverages.

People who use Press IDs to flash it when cops flag them down or gatecrash in events should have some shame.

It's a good thing a lot of press officers are smart now. They require more information for accreditation.

Couldn't agree with you more. :)

Sorry to ressurect this thread but I am appalled with what happened recently to my mentor at ASEAN.

http://www.gmanews.tv/story/26575/Wire-agency-fotog-held-for-taking-photos-of-Asean-streamers

"He said that when he showed his ID card and vehicle accreditation papers to them, he was told that, "alam mo ang ID madaling ma-fake yan eh (it is easy to fake an ID)."

Moron, you're talking to Romy Gacad who is photojournalist personified.

Though I want that guard's head on a platter, I can't entirely blame him. Thanks to moochers who think it's ok to get a press ID even if they're not a part of the press, people like Tata Romy who is a pulitzer nominee, get disrespected. They have no shame.

The Security/Police or whatever certainly don't know "the" Romy Gacad we know nor what AFP means (Armed Forces of the Philippines? Hehehe). But you are right, Tammy, because of these Press ID bearing photographers who are not member of any publications... legitimate and respected people of the Press (photographers/writers) were always discredited and disrespected.
I'm also working freelance for 3 magazines and two broadsheets, I have a press ID for more than ten years now and i don't use it unless really needed or if the situation asked for it. Unlike some people who are always flashing their PRESS ID. Don't get me wrong, i'm only talking about those irresponsible PRESS/Photojourns, may they be real or not.


@Tammy, you are lucky to know these legends in philippine photojounalism..i.e. Romy Gacad and Gil Nartea.

@ Ricky Ladia - Add yourself to the list of legends my humble friend! :)

dugtong tanong kay KRISTINE:

madali lang bang magbigay ng affiliation ang MEDIA for the freelance photojournalist students for accreditation purposes sa mga major sports events sa manila? like if you're attending the SEA, Asian Games, & the Olympics.

how do we do it there?

TAMMY, i read that too. kailangan. delikado sa CEBU ha. :-) ... permit? bakit kailangan ng permit?

then sorry? :-) their just doing their jobs.

Speaking of disrespected... From my experience when PGMA came here in K.S.A last 2006. we have been issued a PressID by the organizers. PSG and Royal Guards were notified that this is the legit. and the only accepted ID to come near to the President. One freelance photographer he was allowed to go inside. but when he started taking photos he was noticed and that was a tense situation were his cam was confiscated although he got lots of PressID hanging over him and never allowed to shoot for the entire event.

my two cents.

This one's good. to be continued sa bahay ... uwian na pala.

Ive strung for a wire agency in the past...not as a photog but more for broadcast...never did we display our credentials on our dashboards or the like. This is really one way to tell that one is legit or colorum.

If i would drive my car on a color coded day i would give the courtesy to the apprehending officer by stopping and have him check my credentials he would normally let me go as checked...

having a press pass does not mean that you could beat red lights, counter flow through traffic for the heck of it. In events like rallies and stuff it is also difficult to force ones way in just like that even if you have a pass.

New photogs are very cliquish and they usually know the real ones from the press card bearing wannabees. May mundo sila na sarili at mahirap mapenetrate ang clique nila...so as sports photogs etc etc.

same thing when you cover a wedding and may hunter na sumabay sa iyo.. nakaka offend din so ganun din sa mga lhitimong mamahayag dahil mahirap din ang mga pinagdaannila from dodging bullets to truncheons. at least pag tinamaan sila may sasalong lehitimong org.

Totoo ba yon na Si Romy Gacad na deny access??? impossible!

Speaking of disrespected... From my experience when PGMA came here in K.S.A last 2006. we have been issued a PressID by the organizers. PSG and Royal Guards were notified that this is the legit. and the only accepted ID to come near to the President. One freelance photographer he was allowed to go inside. but when he started taking photos he was noticed and that was a tense situation were his cam was confiscated although he got lots of PressID hanging over him and never allowed to shoot for the entire event.

my two cents.

Bok, kilala ko ba kung sino yun?

dugtong tanong kay KRISTINE:

madali lang bang magbigay ng affiliation ang MEDIA for the freelance photojournalist students for accreditation purposes sa mga major sports events sa manila? like if you're attending the SEA, Asian Games, & the Olympics.

how do we do it there?

TAMMY, i read that too. kailangan. delikado sa CEBU ha. :-) ... permit? bakit kailangan ng permit?

then sorry? :-) their just doing their jobs.

I know it's dangerous but he just took a photo of a banner. A farkin banner!

They're doing their jobs!? then they should've checked with their press office first if Romy Gacad is indeed part of the list of accredited photographers. Rather than intimidate him with force.

@greg :Totoo ba yon na Si Romy Gacad na deny access??? impossible!

Romy Gacad was'nt deny access ..sa summit may photo pool na pina raffle..may mga meetings na open at photo pool only..kailagan may pass ka,.maskin sino media,sa wires ,national or host media...sa national 2 pass lang ang pina raffle,priority yung mga wires like reuters ,EPA,AFP,AP


I know it's dangerous but he just took a photo of a banner. A farkin banner!

They're doing their jobs!? then they should've checked with their press office first if Romy Gacad is indeed part of the list of accredited photographers. Rather than intimidate him with force.

hello tam,
i think pinag tripan lang si Romy sa isang military na galing mindanao.all the cebu based media are shock when heared the news about romy,.kasi hindi naman kailagan a permit or press id para man shoot nang summit billboard.

The Philippine Center for Photojournalism strongly condemns the recent harassment and arrest of Romy Gacad of the Agence France Presse while he was fullfilling his duties as a photojournalist during the 12th ASEAN summit in Cebu . The incident reflects the need for Philippine policemen to widen their orientation and recognize how a legitimate photojournalists works , even in times of high security.


We are not asking for apology from PNP-Cebu or the Philippine police, but we strongly suggest to brief their ranks on how to work with and identify legitimate photojournalists.

Mabuhay!

noted:

Dennis Sabangan
PCP Chairman

The Security/Police or whatever certainly don't know "the" Romy Gacad we know nor what AFP means (Armed Forces of the Philippines? Hehehe). But you are right, Tammy, because of these Press ID bearing photographers who are not member of any publications... legitimate and respected people of the Press (photographers/writers) were always discredited and disrespected.
I'm also working freelance for 3 magazines and two broadsheets, I have a press ID for more than ten years now and i don't use it unless really needed or if the situation asked for it. Unlike some people who are always flashing their PRESS ID. Don't get me wrong, i'm only talking about those irresponsible PRESS/Photojourns, may they be real or not.


@Tammy, you are lucky to know these legends in philippine photojounalism..i.e. Romy Gacad and Gil Nartea.

I think I'm considered freelance too but I never had the need to ask for a press pass unless it's a mjor coverage like say, SONA. Hats off to you for using the press ID the right way.

Ay Ricky I have been more than lucky. That's why I like the Photojourn community here. Majority have no superiority complex and they're willing to take you in, teach you the ropes or what not and treat you like a colleague and not a mere subordinate. I never felt there was a line between the "Seniors" and the "newbies" heck I even crashed at Tata Romy's apartment in Kuala Lumpur when I was just an intern and he even took me to a coverage there! That's why I keep on flooding DPP with all kinds of threads related to Photojourn to somehow spark interest with others :)

Yep, these photographers are what we call "cowboys", they will take you in as you are and not look at your gadgets/tools but rather your interest in the craft. They/We are very helpful when someone needs to know about photojournalism, the ins and outs but please don't get in their way when they are covering something, hehehe.

I'm sure many posters here are interested in this field of photography as they are eager to have PRESS ID's to do photojournalism/news photography/documentation or are they?:)

I think I'm considered freelance too but I never had the need to ask for a press pass unless it's a mjor coverage like say, SONA. Hats off to you for using the press ID the right way.

Ay Ricky I have been more than lucky. That's why I like the Photojourn community here. Majority have no superiority complex and they're willing to take you in, teach you the ropes or what not and treat you like a colleague and not a mere subordinate. I never felt there was a line between the "Seniors" and the "newbies" heck I even crashed at Tata Romy's apartment in Kuala Lumpur when I was just an intern and he even took me to a coverage there! That's why I keep on flooding DPP with all kinds of threads related to Photojourn to somehow spark interest with others :)


NIce thread Tammy.

Photojournalists are in a way cliquish too you know..but only if they or we feel that a photog only uses his or her position to abuse it and to get favors from all kinds of opportunities.
Bearing a Press ID doesn't mke you a legit photographer.

In my own opinion, photojournalism is in the heart and it is a way of life and seeing. The basic ingredient that a photojournalist must have is a good moral fiber and eye for raw and untainted reality

NIce thread Tammy.

Photojournalists are in a way cliquish too you know..but only if they or we feel that a photog only uses his or her position to abuse it and to get favors from all kinds of opportunities.

Bearing a Press ID doesn't mke you a legit photographer.

In my own opinion, photojournalism is in the heart and it is a way of life and seeing. The basic ingredient that a photojournalist must have is a good moral fiber and eye for raw and untainted reality

LUIS! sa wakas nasa DPP ka na rin. Salamat sa pagtanggap sa akin sa indutriya. And Thanks for giving me a break sa ummm newsbreak! Photojournalists like you give the profession a good name. Shed more light on photojournalism!

hAHAHA Tammy,

Iniistalk ka lang namin ni akira...... pero seriously. Thanks to your Dad at nabalik ako sa firsr love ko which is capturing images.
AT ikaw magaling ka naman kasa may pinagmanahanka. You just needed a little push and finally a shove.

Luis

Photojournalists like you give the profession a good name. Shed more light on photojournalism!

amen! i can relate! glad to have you here idol! :)

amen! i can relate! glad to have you here idol! :)

Hey Tammy, John

It's good to be freelancing again .In a way, I've got lot's of time on my hands to surf the internet and link up with a lot of my friends and to know what everybofy else has been doing other than getting our noses wet doing hardcore news stuff.

John and Tammy.....ONWARD with photojournalism!!!! 'm glad you have it in your veins.

Luis

hAHAHA Tammy,

Iniistalk ka lang namin ni akira...... pero seriously. Thanks to your Dad at nabalik ako sa firsr love ko which is capturing images.
AT ikaw magaling ka naman kasa may pinagmanahanka. You just needed a little push and finally a shove.

Luis

After I graduate in June, I am willing to be shoved around! :D

NIce thread Tammy.

Photojournalists are in a way cliquish too you know..but only if they or we feel that a photog only uses his or her position to abuse it and to get favors from all kinds of opportunities.
Bearing a Press ID doesn't mke you a legit photographer.

In my own opinion, photojournalism is in the heart and it is a way of life and seeing. The basic ingredient that a photojournalist must have is a good moral fiber and eye for raw and untainted reality


how true! photojournalists are in avery critical postion on how they present their photos. they may misinterpret the message or the situation they are capturing. thus leading for the one looking at the photo to be mislead and misinformed.

The Philippine Center for Photojournalism strongly condemns the recent harassment and arrest of Romy Gacad of the Agence France Presse while he was fullfilling his duties as a photojournalist during the 12th ASEAN summit in Cebu . The incident reflects the need for Philippine policemen to widen their orientation and recognize how a legitimate photojournalists works , even in times of high security.




We are not asking for apology from PNP-Cebu or the Philippine police, but we strongly suggest to brief their ranks on how to work with and identify legitimate photojournalists.


Mabuhay!

noted:

Dennis Sabangan
PCP Chairman


hindi ko ma imagine if si Dennis ang na harrass...mmm baka siya ang mang harras hehehe!!!hindi tinapos ang Summit lumipad nang Australia...sosyal talaga if chief kana nang EPA at PCP chairman pa.

(joke lang toh...i've know dennis, FVR days 10 years ago)

my two cents please... an I.D. is still an I.D., meaning it helps identify who you are, really, it doesn't matter what I.D. we carry for as long as we know how not to abuse and dis-use whatever perks that comes with these things. ... )

I agree with you Jen.

I was invited by the son of Dr. Guerrero (graduate faculty member) of UST to shoot nighttime pictures inside the campus (with a tripod). When a guard approached to ask my purpose, I courteously replied that it was a mere hobby and then showed him my FPPF card with my photo in it. He then said that he just wanted to be prepared with an anwer in case his superiors ask him about me. We ended up chitchatting for a good while until my friend came back (as it turned out they knew one another and engaged in some small talk as well).

Point is, a legit photo ID tends to assuage the sometimes frailed nerves of security/police officers, for they at least are given the chance to know about the person they are dealing with. And if an area or event is reserved for a particular party, then out of courtesy, we must respect it no matter what.

healthy discussion you have here guys! i've been reading this thread for the past hour and learned a lot. my question is, for example i am just a hobbyist but is now interested to be a photo contributor.i like shooting events and happenings around me. how can that be?how can i be a photo contributor ?and a photojournalist as well? thanks in advance!