Hi,

Where can I buy epson r230 printer with CIS? Any recommendation?

Thanks,

You can pick up the R230 in almost any computer store. I believe Octagon or Electroworld have the printer. Buying a CIS is a different matter though. Unless you are a volume printer, I would stay away from it.

Nick,

Out of stock :Oops: Have to wait till next week. Anyway, what type of photo paper do you recommend with the said printer?

thanks again.

Richard,

If you want good prints straight out of the box, you will have to stick with Epson papers since Epson profiles all their papers to fit their printers. This printer will print both glossy and matt media well.

You may spend a bit more per print going this route but at least you get predictable results. I only recommend exploring other alternatves if you are a volume printer or print for gallery work. Otherwise, stick with the same paper and printer brand.

If you are new to this, let me know. Would be glad to help.

Nick,

My canon s820 print head is dead and to replace the head, it will cost me around 6k. Hmm. I decided to go for r230 instead. By the way, the cause of the print head was the CIS ink and you're right! I'll go for original ink all the way. If volume printing I guess I'll let the lab do the job.

By the way, My friend's canon printer have the same problem as mine. :( Hopefully I can have my new epson printer next week.

thanks,

Sorry for my ignorance what do CIS stands for?

Sau

CIS stands for Continous Ink System. I have an R230 converted to CIS. So far, haven't got any problems with it since it's new. I use it to print prices and samples. You can have R230 for 400 php lesser than the mall price if you to go Hidalgo.

If you have the resources to buy orig consumables, don't go for CIS. Epson printers are made for Epson inks. But if you are "nagtitipid" like me, i suggest go for CIS. :)

Just got my r230 early as expected. I tried printing it using generic glossy photo paper but the yellow dominates the color.

My setting are:
quality option - photo
paper option - photo paper (Epson photo paper still out of stock)
print option - high speed & gray scale uncheck and edge smoothing checked
color management icm - checked (disabled)

from PS
print document - adobe rgb 1998
color handling - let printer determine the color
rendering intent - perceptual

Monitor calibrated using spyder pro

Need help.

Thanks,

I take it your glossy paper is not Epson. I suggest you use Epson glossy if you want consistent colors and quality. Anyway, your settings should be:

In Photoshop Print with Preview dialog

Document: Adobe RGB
Color Handling: Let Photoshop Determine Colors
Rendering: Perceptual

I print through Mac so I can't quite remember the Windows menu but it should more or less be the same.

Printer Settings:
Use the Highest Quality settings.
For Paper choose the Epson Glossy Media or whatever Gloss paper is listed in the menu

Color Management: Make sure to turn OFF. This is very important.

With the settings listed above, you are having Photoshop make the color conversion and you are using the profiles of the paper (by choosing the appropriate media type) to determine the print. If color management is turned on, you will double profile and get very strange colors.

If you let Printer Determine Colors, this could be a crapshoot. You may or may not get good consistent colors with this setting and will have to try many different (and frustrating) combinations to get it right.

Try what I mention and report back.

Nick,

What shoud I use with the printer profile? Adobe rgb or epson?

thanks,

Sorry for neglecting that:

Document: Adobe RGB
Color Handling: Let Photoshop Determine Colors
Printer Profile: Epson Glossy Paper (or whatever other glossy paper is listed in the menu)
Rendering Intent: Perceptual (this is my preference but if you are after a bit more contrast and saturated colors try Relative Colorimetric)

Print Settings: I usually choose the best quality settings.
Paper Choice: Should be Epson Glossy. This determines the ink load.
Color Management: again should be turned OFF since Photoshop is handling the color conversion and the profile you choose (Epson Glossy) is mapping Photoshops conversion to the paper through its icc profile.

Hope the above helps. If your prints don't look any better, then you should seriously consider picking up the Epson media.

Just printed today and the color is now warmer and a bit dark. Need help while I'm still waiting for the epson photo paper.

Also, has anyone tried this printer with Kodak photo glossy paper?

Thanks,

hi richard,

let's do it the other way around.

working rgb = adobe RGB
from photoshop, go to view --> proof setup --> custom --> profile=epson stylus R230
file --> print with preview --> page setup --> choose printer --> properties
advance --> choose photo paper --> qaulity=photo
color mode --> epson standard
print preview --> color management= let printer determine colors
print away :)

tell me the result..

I tried your setting and it works. I don't know if we have the same setting from the rendering intent. Aside from what you mentioned. I used these setting:
rendering intent - relative colorimetric
black point - checked
color management - icm but I unchecked the "off (no color adjustment)"

final print - a bit warm color and this is what I'm looking for.

by the way I used kodak glossy photo paper

Thanks,


hi richard,

let's do it the other way around.

working rgb = adobe RGB
from photoshop, go to view --> proof setup --> custom --> profile=epson stylus R230
file --> print with preview --> page setup --> choose printer --> properties
advance --> choose photo paper --> qaulity=photo
color mode --> epson standard
print preview --> color management= let printer determine colors
print away :)

tell me the result..

Would Heidi care to comment again?

I was reading Nick's settings compared to Heidi's and what I gathered was this:

1) Nick uses the icc profiles made for the paper and doesn't use the Epson driver to determine the colors. However, Richard here is still getting his prints warm and a bit dark. Would it be because he isn't using Epson paper? Or is it because his screen isn't calibrated properly? Well he said he calibrated in the first place.

2) Heidi's method seems to use the Epson driver to determine colors and bypasses icc profiles for paper. It seems that Epson has different settings to try to get a better print.

I have two questions to Heidi if you go back to this thread:

1) If Richard was using Epson glossy paper, what setting would provide the best screen to print match assuming he had a properly calibrated monitor? Nick's or your setting?

2) What is ICM? When do you use it or not use it? Could never figure this out,

Gabriel,
I used kodak glossy photo paper and the setting I used for printing was epson glossy premium.

Would also like to hear heidi's comment.

Would Heidi care to comment again?

I was reading Nick's settings compared to Heidi's and what I gathered was this:

1) Nick uses the icc profiles made for the paper and doesn't use the Epson driver to determine the colors. However, Richard here is still getting his prints warm and a bit dark. Would it be because he isn't using Epson paper? Or is it because his screen isn't calibrated properly? Well he said he calibrated in the first place.

2) Heidi's method seems to use the Epson driver to determine colors and bypasses icc profiles for paper. It seems that Epson has different settings to try to get a better print.

I have two questions to Heidi if you go back to this thread:

1) If Richard was using Epson glossy paper, what setting would provide the best screen to print match assuming he had a properly calibrated monitor? Nick's or your setting?

2) What is ICM? When do you use it or not use it? Could never figure this out,

hi there richard,

my monitor is viewsonic which was calibrated thru spyder pro to get the most neutral color.. after tweaking the RGB hardware setting, the monitor has to have the separate RGB settings to get the correct color.

After calibrating the color I see the palette on my photoshop swatches seemed very accurate. Epson printers uses the standard color, well of course the paper itself matters.

If you have the resources in comparing both paper, epson & kodak, put it side by side, you will definitely see a difference, if the other paper is more on the yellowish side, the image should be adjusted a little increase in Cyan/blue color to at least compensate with the yellow side and increase the whitepoints.

and also try not to turn off the color adjustment since the driver itself have already djusted the color to get the optimal color that matches adobe RGB.

All brands profile uses its own profile to its paper, but epson most of the time uses adobe to match color with epson paper. Using different type of paper will result to a slight difference in color.

Using a diffrent type of paper from the printer brand will need a printer/paper profiler software+hardware like EFI, Oris to get the most accurate color.

sorry forgot to mention, I usually use perceptual under rendering intent, checked use black point compensation.

hi there, sorry for the late reply..

Would Heidi care to comment again?

I was reading Nick's settings compared to Heidi's and what I gathered was this:

1) Nick uses the icc profiles made for the paper and doesn't use the Epson driver to determine the colors. However, Richard here is still getting his prints warm and a bit dark. Would it be because he isn't using Epson paper? Or is it because his screen isn't calibrated properly? Well he said he calibrated in the first place.

2 things,

1st, monitor should at least be calibrated into the most neutral color. using either spyder or any other hardware.

2nd, the post I made earlier should do the trick.. after choosing the paper type. But since the paper you used is not an epson brand, I'm afraid you have to create your own ICC profile from a printer calibration hardware/software to get the accurate color.


2) Heidi's method seems to use the Epson driver to determine colors and bypasses icc profiles for paper. It seems that Epson has different settings to try to get a better print.

the method I mentioned still uses the profile of the paper type, right before printing. There are a lot of ways in printing, from PC-based system the method I have posted works for me.. Proof setup just gives you the calibration of the printer brand, each brand have diffrent mixture of their CMYK, but righ before you print you have to choose the paper type which almost accurately match the screen color that you set from the proof setup to the type of paper.

TO richard,

What shoud I use with the printer profile? Adobe rgb or epson?

Adobe RGB is often used especially for photos.. it has a wider color gamut than epson profile, epson profile gives more vibrant color but sometimes tend to crop-off some color resulting to overexposed highlights.


Sorry guys for the late late reply, just a little busy.

BTW, nick, does this forum alams my email for newly posted items? :Thinking: