need help in selecting a lcd monitor.
i know crt is still the best.
but there are some lcd that can come close to it.
anybody with experience on this please help.

thanks

http://www.kenrockwell.com/apple/images/4G5-30-460.jpg
Apple's 30" Cinema Display

need help in selecting a lcd monitor.
i know crt is still the best.
but there are some lcd that can come close to it.
anybody with experience on this please help.

thanks

Have been in the market to check what is really available. Seems like top of the line in the industri (Eizo and LaCie) are not available in the country. Maybe, we should be lucky for that as they are real expensive. Much more affordable is Samsung SyncMaster 225BW or the newer 226BW (almost same spec). The latter has a response time of 2 ms compared to 5 ms for the old model, which mainly is of an advantage for games. Another option that I believe a lot of people like even better is the ViewSonic VX2235WM and its new "funkie" model VX2245WM including a built-in Ipod docking station, 8-in-1 card reader, mic and headset jacks. These are all 22" monitors at around P21-22,00.
At a lower cost, you can get them all in 19" as well.
Good luck!
Mats

Mats' advise is spot on.

There also might be some DELL monitors worth checking out.

We use Macs in the office. The only problem I have with the Mac is that sometimes you can't see all the shadow detail straight on. It has to be looked at an angle. I noticed this when printing images where some detail comes out in the print that you couldn't see in your monitor.

i personally use 2 19" samsung 940BW. costs around 12-15. it works like a charm, especially when calibrated. i wouldn't even dare to touch the controls anymore after. although, i must admit that the office's apple displays are superior to the samsungs, the cost difference is just too high.

The Apple Cinema displays also make me drool. But my drooling is tempered by its cost :D

I was recently lobbying Congress (a.k.a. significant other, commander-in-chief, she who holds the purse strings, wife) for a 24"iMac. It's mainly the size of the screen that appeals to me. Although I am loath to give up my reliable eMac.

She complained about its cost citing that what I would pay for the iMac would have been sufficient for a downpayment on a new car.

Car or iMac? Isn't the choice obvious? :D

My wife and I obviously have different priorities. :D

Eizo ColorEdge CG221
http://www.eizo.com/products/graphics/cg221/index.asp

cinema displays are good. but these might be the best if u want super dee dooper accurate colors in an lcd... its got hardware calibration! not like a gretag macbeth or something which messes with the video card to match colors with an assumed to be differently colored monitor (every monitor in the market with no hardware calibration has its specific 'color cast'... calibrators adjust videocard output to standardize the color that you see to a specific gamma,color temp, etc.) but these instead make the color adjustments in the monitor itself! me likey

I'm happy with my Dell 24 inchers :)

http://zandy.smugmug.com/photos/137353745-L.jpg

But Eizos are the best. I believe thay even support native Adobe RGB.

This is the best monitor. Period.

http://www.brightsidetech.com/display.php

Hmmmm.... it offers 12-bit hardware calibration when USED with a Gretag Macbeth measurement device.

You'll still have to purchase either a product from Colorvision, X-Rite to fully utilize it.

The monitor on its own cannot measure the ambient light present. Neither can it measure paper white :D

Sadly, no calibration sensor is bundled with the product.

http://www.eizo.com/products/graphics/cn/index.asp#1

Eizo ColorEdge CG221
http://www.eizo.com/products/graphics/cg221/index.asp
cinema displays are good. but these might be the best if u want super dee dooper accurate colors in an lcd... its got hardware calibration! not like a gretag macbeth or something which messes with the video card to match colors with an assumed to be differently colored monitor (every monitor in the market with no hardware calibration has its specific 'color cast'... calibrators adjust videocard output to standardize the color that you see to a specific gamma,color temp, etc.) but these instead make the color adjustments in the monitor itself! me likey

thanks guys.
big help.... my budget tells me i should look at the viewsonic and samsung.
between the 2 .. which one is better and easy to calibrate. by the way what do you guys use to calibrate your monitors.

thanks again

one more question pala, what kind of video card do you guys recomend for a dual screen setup.

one more question pala, what kind of video card do you guys recomend for a dual screen setup.

A midrange video card will do like the ATI 9xxx series or the GeForce 7xxx series. These cost between 6-15k depending on VRAM, Vertex, etc.

If you have the extra dough and into gaming, you can get the latest GeForce 88xx series cards.

Both cards, btw, have dual-displays.

My vote goes to viewsonics, get at least a 20" and above, there is a resolution jump from the 19" and below to those at least 20" and above. But double check with the specs. As far as i know there are no 1600x1200 or equivalent for 19" and below.

For dual screens, they're now so much easier to achieve without having to buy expensive video cards. ON windows, using the on board and an extra video card would already give you dual screen. on mac laptops, just plug an extra monitor.

On calibrating, just make sure your calibrator could do Dual screens! and preferably measure ambient light as well (spyder pro could do this and a few others i think).

Enjoy


thanks guys.
big help.... my budget tells me i should look at the viewsonic and samsung.
between the 2 .. which one is better and easy to calibrate. by the way what do you guys use to calibrate your monitors.

thanks again

I use 3 Samsung 940BW too.... i compared it to viewsonic 19" too but i like the Samsung better because i thing its sharper when i viewed them side by side.

but as they say LCD is not as consistent as CRT... felt that too. and i cant see all the shadows and some unwanted shades too..

still looking. kind of bias towards samsung than viewsonic. thanks guys.
i'll let you know kung ano ang pipiliin ko.

thanks

guys / gals, i'm reviving the old thread .. :)

need help, plan to get one of 19" LCD budget of 10k ?? what specs to consider and brand for photo editing ?
so many to choose from :(

do i need to replace my video card ?? i'm still using the old ATI radeon 9600 SE :)

thanks very much :)

guys / gals, i'm reviving the old thread .. :)

need help, plan to get one of 19" LCD budget of 10k ?? what specs to consider and brand for photo editing ?
so many to choose from :(

do i need to replace my video card ?? i'm still using the old ATI radeon 9600 SE :)

thanks very much :)

no need to replace your card. for your budget, you can score a brand new samsung 940BW. it's pretty much the best for that class and price point.

no need to replace your card. for your budget, you can score a brand new samsung 940BW. it's pretty much the best for that class and price point.

thanks sir nino, yup i have read this one on your past DPP issue :), i think last year ?..

any other new option or tough rival for this one ?

thanks for a fast reply :)

thanks sir nino, yup i have read this one on your past DPP issue :), i think last year ?..

any other new option or tough rival for this one ?

thanks for a fast reply :)

the viewsonic will cost you a thousand bucks more. when you calibrate it, it looks the same. for around 12K, you can get a 22 inch samsung already.

the viewsonic will cost you a thousand bucks more. when you calibrate it, it looks the same. for around 12K, you can get a 22 inch samsung already.

thanks nino :) i will take an actual look at it :)

If I were you, I'd go 22" guys.

I'm no photo editor but you guys might want to check out LG 22" W2252TQ. It costs around 11.5k-12k in tipidpc.com sellers and Gilmore outlets. It has good reviews too. Here's one from Hardwarezone:
http://www.hardwarezone.com/articles/view.php?cid=5&id=2560

HP's 22" w2207 is also right up there with good reviews but would cost you around 15k-16k.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3127/2745059499_eb3a219078.jpg

The best I ever had. I have an AOC, Viewsonic, LG before but nothing compares to my Apple Cinema Display 30".

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3127/2745059499_eb3a219078.jpg

The best I ever had. I have an AOC, Viewsonic, LG before but nothing compares to my Apple Cinema Display 30".

wow kieron nice gear !! your super rich !! :Grin: i think my budget cant even buy the stand of that thing :D

anyway i got the samsung 920nw, since i cant find the 940bw .. :)

thanks

for photo editing don't use TN panels they are only 6 bit.
IPS and MVA panel types would be better.

Technical discussion:

What are the LCD monitors recommended for serious Photography works ?

There are so many models and brands in the market which will lead to confusion with the technicalities etc ... Like Eizo graphic monitors , monitors for movie works etc. .. And the coolest Apple Cinema Display.

Others say you should match it with your graphic cards or video.

What"s the best 24 inch LCD monitor that can match the MacBookPro graphic card which is Radeo x 1600 with 1440 x 900 resolution ? The LCD monitor will be use as external monitor in conjunction with MacBookPro.

Maybe anybody have the expertise on the matter. Your inputs are welcome.

Thanks

I guess all I can suggest if you are really serious in getting a colour matched LCD or monitor is to do a Display Calibration. The fastest is via Screen Matching but the Professionals use hardwares for calibration. Something like this:
http://www.xrite.com/home.aspx

For quick calibration for those not really so nit-picky with their colour profiles, you can try these:
http://www.photofriday.com/calibrate.php
http://epaperpress.com/monitorcal/

No need to match them to any video cards if your concern is Colour reproduction...

Personally, I wouldn't know. My experience in purchasing LCDs is limited (nil actually).

But I've been getting by just editing stuff using the LCD of my 15" MBP :D

Cheers!

Jo Avila

Technical discussion:

What are the LCD monitors recommended for serious Photography works ?

What"s the best 24 inch LCD monitor that can match the MacBookPro graphic card which is Radeo x 1600 with 1440 x 900 resolution ? The LCD monitor will be use as external monitor in conjunction with MacBookPro.

Maybe anybody have the expertise on the matter. Your inputs are welcome.

Thanks

Am also in the market for a 24" monitor. Before my choice was the LaCie 324 (http://www.lacie.com/ca/products/product.htm?pid=11034) but now am eyeing the less expensive HP 2475W (http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/us/en/sm/WF05a/382087-382087-64283-72270-444767-3648442.html) You may also want to try the new Apple LED Cinema Display (http://www.apple.com/displays/)

A good starting point about different monitor technologies in the market today is TFT Central (http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/)

bump....

i paid my taxes so diligently, I now have tax return :)

so, was thinkning i need a new monitor,


does anybody here have the Samsung 22" (2253LW)

An alternative to a 22-inch LCD would be two 19-inch LCDs. My LG W1942T costs P7.4k at PCGilmore as of December 8, 2008 so you can estimate how much a pair would cost as opposed to the cost of only one 22-inch LCD monitor. I bet the 19-inch pair would come out very competitive indeed!
http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/3750/photo800be4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

The screen area of a pair of 19-inch widescreens is also larger than the screen area of a 22-inch widescreen LCD alone:

area of a 22-inch widescreen at 1680x1050 pixes= 1.764 Mega pixel square
area of a pair of 19-inch widescreen at 1440x900 each= 2880x900= 2.592 Megapixel square

That's a real 46.9% advantage in screen real estate that you can put to good use! [(2.592-1.764)/1.764]x100= 46.9%. Here's a scaled down screen capture of my two 19-inch LCDs running on the new Linux Mint 6 "Felicia." You can play video or music or browse the web in one screen while do photo-editing on another. You can organize your workscape much more effciently.
http://img384.imageshack.us/img384/5255/screenshot2ik7.png (http://imageshack.us)

Linux has tools to read and process raw (NEF) dslr files. HAPPY NEW YEAR!:)

is a higher contrast ratio important for photo editing?

Get an EIZO, better than your macbook pro LCD monitor. It calibrates on its hardware and you save your profile in your system.

Get an EIZO, better than your macbook pro LCD monitor. It calibrates on its hardware and you save your profile in your system.

Bro, do you have an idea where this LCD is available here?

Get an EIZO, better than your macbook pro LCD monitor. It calibrates on its hardware and you save your profile in your system.

Thanks .......... Ferdinan. I' seriously considering it.

@ ........Lester , Jo A, Chris ............Thanks for the inputs. Sorry for the late reply.

Get an EIZO, better than your macbook pro LCD monitor. It calibrates on its hardware and you save your profile in your system.

Same Question as Ian Santos... where can you get 'em Locally?

Sorry for late reply guys!

Globis, Inc.
tel: 740-5751 to 56
email:info@globisinc.com
address:
3/F, 105 Calamba St.,
Sta. Mesa Heights,
1114 Quezon City
Philippines

www.globisinc.com (http://www.globisinc.com)

Look for:
jhonny tamayo

cheers!

I am about to upgrade my monitor and I am wondering what monitor to get. They say Samsungs are good ones. Please suggest what brands and models to get & also their corresponding prices. You may also want to share what specs to look for when buying a monitor like contrast ratios, etc. Hoping to get your replies soon.Thank you!:Grin:

- Raymond

http://tinyurl.com/ld5sjf

Samsung will be the best lcd monitor for me,
or if you have a tight budget go for AOC.

sorry, dont know the exact price.

try the samsung t series. i have a t220 lcd monitor and it serves me well. :)

It's one thing saying a certain brand is good and served you well, it's another claiming it's "best" until you've actually tested several units in an unbiased manner.

my 2333sw syncmaster died in less than two months :Shock: good thing they replaced the unit, but still… :Scared:



i hear apple's cinema displays (http://store.apple.com/ph/product/MB382?mco=MjI4MjM) are the bomb ~50k for teh 24"

You may also want to take a look at the type of panel being used.

http://www.pchardwarehelp.com/guides/lcd-panel-types.php

thanks for sharing your ideas guys..now, i'm currently looking forward these models here:
http://www.samsung.com/ph/consumer/subtype/compare.do?group=computerperipherals&type=monitor&subtype=lcdmonitor&prda=LS20CMZKFNA/XP&prdb=LS22TWHSUV/XT&prdc=LS20LRZKU/XP

please take a look and give your recommendations on what's best among the options listed there...thank you so much :Grin:

It's one thing saying a certain brand is good and served you well, it's another claiming it's "best" until you've actually tested several units in an unbiased manner.

I tested this unit (http://web.me.com/misterkodaker/Jo_Avila/Blog/Entries/2009/5/28_It_Looks_Good_From_Any_Angle.html).

It ain't a Samsung.

But it's worth the price :D

Cheers!

Jo Avila

That's a droolonitor, Jo :D

I am about to upgrade my monitor and I am wondering what monitor to get. They say Samsungs are good ones. Please suggest what brands and models to get & also their corresponding prices. You may also want to share what specs to look for when buying a monitor like contrast ratios, etc. Hoping to get your replies soon.Thank you!:Grin:

- Raymond

Samsung LCD monitors are indeed very good... go for it.

anybody tried the metrix monitors? saw one which is a tv and monitor all in one at 10k only.

NYEK:D
No doubt about it:)

I tested this unit (http://web.me.com/misterkodaker/Jo_Avila/Blog/Entries/2009/5/28_It_Looks_Good_From_Any_Angle.html).

It ain't a Samsung.

But it's worth the price :D

Cheers!

Jo Avila

I tested this unit (http://web.me.com/misterkodaker/Jo_Avila/Blog/Entries/2009/5/28_It_Looks_Good_From_Any_Angle.html).

It ain't a Samsung.

But it's worth the price :D

Cheers!

Jo Avila


Thanks for that information sir Jo! :D
Well, I guess that's worth the price..but not for me..hehehe
I can't even buy a 50k worth of lens :D
It would be a miracle.....drooolonitor indeed! :Grin:

Quite happy with my Samsung Syncmasters and an older DELL. I've had my 17" Samsung Syncmaster for 5years and no problems so far. DELL 1905 flat panel for 3 yrs without issues either. One thing I've noticed is that the DELL tends to need calibration every few months. The Samsung I just calibrated 3x in 5 years; when I got it, when I changed video cards and when i did an OS reinstall...

Just got a 26" Samsung Syncmaster and it seems to be working great as well. Love the colors! Brightness and contrast are pretty good too. :Grin:

I tested this unit (http://web.me.com/misterkodaker/Jo_Avila/Blog/Entries/2009/5/28_It_Looks_Good_From_Any_Angle.html).

It ain't a Samsung.

But it's worth the price :D

Cheers!

Jo Avila


Drool!! wow! Definitely, if I have the moolah, I'll get one.

Samsung LCDs nowadays are cheap and they perform well. But I'm not sure if the locally available Samsung have high sRGB color space coverage and Adobe RGB space coverage. Most of them are for those gaming/video watching usage only.

Also, I read in my fav tech site that Dell (http://www.guru3d.com/news/dell-ultrasharp-u2410-lcd-sports-ips-panel/)and Eizo (http://www.guru3d.com/news/eizo-launches-new-flexiscan-wuxga-professionalgrade-monitor-/) are releasing new pro-LCDs. I'm also itching for these LCDs since they have very promising new technology.
but my keyboard is all wet because of what Jo Avila has..

almost any lcd monitors that use either IPS or PVA lcd panels are excellent in color reproduction and viewing angles. these are the panels used by eizo, lacie, dell, hp and others for their high end lcd monitors.

almost any lcd monitors that use either IPS or PVA lcd panels are excellent in color reproduction and viewing angles. these are the panels used by eizo, lacie, dell, hp and others for their high end lcd monitors.

How can you tell if it uses IPS or PVA LCD panels? What do we look for?

It's been a while and am still searching for an LCD monitor that is suited for photography and available locally. After 10-hours of serious coding, my eyes can't take my current 19" CRT monitor at home, so I rarely PP my shots anymore.

Please recommend a specific model if you find non-TN based panels that are available locally :) Thanks.

I just got the new 22" samsung syncmaster reviewed in issue 29. Its not yet calibrated, but it is a big leap from my old crt monitor.

Suggest HP Lcd Monitor.

Quite happy with my Samsung Syncmasters and an older DELL. I've had my 17" Samsung Syncmaster for 5years and no problems so far. DELL 1905 flat panel for 3 yrs without issues either. One thing I've noticed is that the DELL tends to need calibration every few months. The Samsung I just calibrated 3x in 5 years; when I got it, when I changed video cards and when i did an OS reinstall...

Just got a 26" Samsung Syncmaster and it seems to be working great as well. Love the colors! Brightness and contrast are pretty good too. :Grin:

nice, thanks for sharing :) recently bought a Samsung LCD and planning to calibrate soon. very glad to hear i dont have to do it too often!

nice, thanks for sharing :) recently bought a Samsung LCD and planning to calibrate soon. very glad to hear i dont have to do it too often!

You need to calibrate your monitor regardless of brand every few weeks or so since it's output will degrade / change over time.

Query from a newbie: I have a widescreen lcd monitor. Whenever I review fotos on it, the faces and scenes look stretched. Is there a way to correct this?

Query from a newbie: I have a widescreen lcd monitor. Whenever I review fotos on it, the faces and scenes look stretched. Is there a way to correct this?

There might be a conflict with your in-monitor setting vis-a-vis the settings in your OS' control panel. Try to reset first the in-monitor setting to it's default value.

Guys,

I'm glad I have found this thread.

I have an issue in looking for an ideal monitor that could fill my needs in coloring. I am a colorist for independent comic industry and still using a CRT monitor for the job.

Bottom-line is, I need to upgrade and really could find it difficult to find a specific LCD monitor that would project best color output or with same level as CRT technology unless getting an expensive Apple monitors.

Upon researching, I have found about the TN vs. the IPS panel technology for LCD. Poeple just told me that IPS is best so far for photo editing and all other related task. I have checked the Greenhills last month for the IPS based LCD monitor but didn't find any and causes little frustration about it. One told me that locally here in Philippines so far we don't have IPS monitors available in the market.

I'm here now in General Santos City and visited every local store here and unfortunately sales persons are not aware about the IPS thingy.

Do we have alternative that could fit best my needs. Any suggestions are highly welcome. Thanks for the help.

Try checking the ColorVision Spyder, its a monitor color calibration software and hardware.

I believe every manufacturer of LCDs have different color rendition. Get a Spyder to have an accurate reproduction of colors.

The OP has a valid point - along with everyone else who suggested that he purchase a Spyder.

A Spyder works great if you want to accurately calibrate and profile your computer display.

However, it works even better if you have a good computer display :D

Ynzal Marketing loaned me before a Cintiq21 UX.

http://web.me.com/misterkodaker/Jo_Avila/Blog/Entries/2009/5/28_It_Looks_Good_From_Any_Angle.html

I calibrated it using my Spyder. It was fantastic being able to edit directly on the screen and having the image on the Cintiq closely match my prints :D

Cheers!

Jo Avila

I have to agree that some of the stores inside the mall doesn't know a thing about IPS. All they know is that they are selling LCD monitors. But I had a bit luck when one store here in Festival mall Alabang that takes special orders if I want to get an IPS panel monitor. Price range of the Viewsonic is from 15-20K. I think NEC monitors are much cheaper ranging from about 10-15K. I will try gilmore next time and hopefully I can find one in stock :Grin:

Look for an Eizo monitor.

Guys if any of you know where to find IPS monitors post it on this thread or start a new one. I would like to purchase a few monitors and really don't know where to start with this.

Thanks in advance.

Nick, you're coming to SG, get one here :P

where can we buy Spyder here in the Philippines?

DPP office, Bella Luce, buy an issue and you can get the pricing and contact there.

The "expensive" Apple monitors are IPS-based and are readily available off the shelf. As far as my search has drawn they are the only ones in the whole country that is IPS. That is why except for the Apple Cinema Displays all other LCDs in the Philippines are TN-based. IPS are 4-5x more expensive than an equivalent TN if you were to compare on screen size and resolution basis that's why you can only find Apple-branded here.

The Spyder everyone is endorsing only calibrates your screen. It cannot expand the color depth nor color color gamut of your screen. The only way to get more colors and get more accurate colors is buying an IPS-based display or stick with the CRT.

That's why I waited for this beauty.

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4038/4691126322_e5c65a839c_b.jpg

It is a prosumer IPS display but by Philippine standards it is very high end. :D

From an ROI POV you may want to compute whether going IPS is economical for your customers' needs.

Guys,

I'm glad I have found this thread.

I have an issue in looking for an ideal monitor that could fill my needs in coloring. I am a colorist for independent comic industry and still using a CRT monitor for the job.

Bottom-line is, I need to upgrade and really could find it difficult to find a specific LCD monitor that would project best color output or with same level as CRT technology unless getting an expensive Apple monitors.

Upon researching, I have found about the TN vs. the IPS panel technology for LCD. Poeple just told me that IPS is best so far for photo editing and all other related task. I have checked the Greenhills last month for the IPS based LCD monitor but didn't find any and causes little frustration about it. One told me that locally here in Philippines so far we don't have IPS monitors available in the market.

I'm here now in General Santos City and visited every local store here and unfortunately sales persons are not aware about the IPS thingy.

Do we have alternative that could fit best my needs. Any suggestions are highly welcome. Thanks for the help.

thanks ferdinand for the info for eizo....

guys, is dell ultrasharp a good lcd? it's IPS i think... im thinking of upgrading my current lcd AOC e2236vW.

http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/products/Displays/productdetail.aspx?c=us&l=en&cs=19&sku=320-9270

will it make a huge diff from my current lcd?

guys, is dell ultrasharp a good lcd? it's IPS i think... im thinking of upgrading my current lcd AOC e2236vW.

http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/products/Displays/productdetail.aspx?c=us&l=en&cs=19&sku=320-9270

will it make a huge diff from my current lcd?
I use a Dell U2711 IPS panel LCD. There is a huge huge difference from a TN panel LCD.

99% of all LCD monitors sold in the Philippines are TN due to price and response time.

Hello everyone. Since it would be 2011 in about a months time, I think it's ok if we gather fresh inputs for this.
TIA as I'd be purchasing one soon. :)

^ Recently bought a Samsung BX2250 21.5" 1920x1080 Full HD LED monitor for my PC. It's great I love it! hehe :)

http://www.descom.be/images/samsung_BX2250.jpg


...bought bnew for a measly price of 10,300 hehe :D

Macs seem good.

Or you can do it the fun way by hooking up your CPU to an HDTV

The Eizos and Lacies are great monitors. But I dont think you can get those locally. So your best bet for serious photo editing would be Apple's LED Cinema Display. Wide viewing angles and good colors. The best lcd Ive seen from what's available. Might get one if my viewsonic graphics series crt monitor conks out.

The Eizos and Lacies are great monitors. But I dont think you can get those locally. So your best bet for serious photo editing would be Apple's LED Cinema Display. Wide viewing angles and good colors. The best lcd Ive seen from what's available. Might get one if my viewsonic graphics series crt monitor conks out.

eizo is available locally and sold by globis. their office is in the banawe area.

Closest thing you can get to Apple LED Cinema display @ 1/4 the price is a Dell Ultrasharp U2311H. Both are IPS panel but the latter uses an E-IPS. There are two people selling it at TPC. Please delete my post if this is not allowed here.

I'd skip E-IPS. They're a tad better than TN

Planning on doing the LCD route too.

Thinking of getting a Samsung as I can't afford a Mac or an Eizo display. Can anyone recommend a good model for under 10k? :)

Planning on doing the LCD route too.

Thinking of getting a Samsung as I can't afford a Mac or and Eizo display. Can anyone recommend a good model for under 10k? :)

If you cannot go Mac, then Samsung is a good choice. I've got an iMac at home and a Dell laptop Hooked to a Samsung LCD monitor. Mac is still, for me, the best. But my Samsung LCD is pretty close when it comes to picture and color quality.

I compared it side by side to a highend TN panel with led backlight (Acer S243HL), colors and IQ is just amazing and not just a tad better. I haven't seen how a U2711 compares to a U2311h but I'm guessing the U2711 and the Apple LED Cinema display 27incher is almost the same in terms of IQ. The Apple LED cinema display has a big plus on contrast but the IQ is almost negligible. (this might be an unfair comparison as I did not compare it sidebyside).

Cost effectiveness check.

Dell U2711 costs about <45k locally with local warranty
Apple LED Cinema 27inches 52k + or -
Dell U2311H = 15k
Highend TN Panel with led backlight = 13k-15k

Facts:
U2311H is better than the best TN panel you can get.
U2711 and Apple LED 27 is better than the U2311H

The question is, how much better is the U2711 (in terms of IQ and not size) to justify the 3x price?

I also would like to share this reliable site which reviewed the U2311H and the U2711H

Picture quality on Dell U2311H is very good and in this price segment you often get TN based monitors. U2311H is a lot better than all of them and both color accuracy and color gradation is visibly superior to the TN panels.

http://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.php?subaction=showfull&id=1275291737

The new samsung LEDs are pretty good. Love the colors on mine and they're pretty reasonably priced as well. I got my Samsung BX2250 HD 22" LED in megamall (shop right in front of CDRKing) for P10,500.

i'm looking for a monitor for photo editing too. upon spending time hours googling, i find that a lot of people say that 16:10 h-ips monitors are the ones to go for (they're similar to mac displays i believe). does anyone know where i can find one in manila? i tried megamall cyberzone but none of the stores there even have a hint of i'm talking about.

Buy an IPS monitor. I just bought a 23" NEC IPS on sale for only $298. It's a lot better than my previous LCDs and my other LED monitor.

The new samsung LEDs are pretty good. Love the colors on mine and they're pretty reasonably priced as well. I got my Samsung BX2250 HD 22" LED in megamall (shop right in front of CDRKing) for P10,500.

Are there significant advantages in having an LED vs LCD screen?

Are there significant advantages in having an LED vs LCD screen?

hi! as far as i know, there aren't actually any monitors made out of LED.. i think they call it LED tvs because it is lit by LED's.. but, i'm no expert please do correct if i'm wrong.. :)

Chard is correct, it's just a more efficient way of lighting the panel (LED vs. Fluorescent)...

^ Thanks guys, I guess it's gonna be LED for me. =]

http://www.ledvslcdtv.com/

LED FACTS
State of the Art Picture Quality
About 40% Less Energy usage than a same sized LCD TV
Mercury Free and a VERY Thin Design
Currently LED TV's Cost about 20-30% more


LCD FACTS
Good Picture Quality, but Images may "burn" in Display
Energy Costs run Between $150-200 per year to operate an LCD
Mercury IS used in Manufacturing Process
Cost is the Cheaper of the Two Choices

^ Thanks guys, I guess it's gonna be LED for me. =]

http://www.ledvslcdtv.com/

LED FACTS
State of the Art Picture Quality
About 40% Less Energy usage than a same sized LCD TV
Mercury Free and a VERY Thin Design
Currently LED TV's Cost about 20-30% more


LCD FACTS
Good Picture Quality, but Images may "burn" in Display
Energy Costs run Between $150-200 per year to operate an LCD
Mercury IS used in Manufacturing Process
Cost is the Cheaper of the Two Choices
i think i know where is your 13th month pay is going to sir makoy... :Grin:
thanks for the link for a read btw...

i think i know where is your 13th month pay is going to sir makoy... :Grin:
thanks for the link for a read btw...

I super need to upgrade my almost decade old 2GHz single core Sempron PC!! :D

I super need to upgrade my almost decade old 2GHz single core Sempron PC!! :D
wow... indeed you really need an upgrade... give us knows on the monitor once you got one... :Grin:

^ Thanks guys, I guess it's gonna be LED for me. =]

http://www.ledvslcdtv.com/

LED FACTS
State of the Art Picture Quality
About 40% Less Energy usage than a same sized LCD TV
Mercury Free and a VERY Thin Design
Currently LED TV's Cost about 20-30% more


LCD FACTS
Good Picture Quality, but Images may "burn" in Display
Energy Costs run Between $150-200 per year to operate an LCD
Mercury IS used in Manufacturing Process
Cost is the Cheaper of the Two Choices

Those info are quite erroneous bro... Very poor site hehe.

LCDs do NOT suffer from burn-in.
LEDs are just marginal in benefit in terms of power consumption unless you're comparing LED vs. old gen LCDs. (In fact, even modern Plasmas have similar low-energy usage as LEDs)
The mercury content of LCD panels are soooooooooo low, in fact, it even passes ROHS certifications.
"State of the Art" is such a silly, subjective, non-quantifiable term to use hehe.

Granted that LED TV/Monitors are marketed as higher-end displays these days, it'll naturally drive the selling price higher and will probably have more specs, however, the differences are marginal unless top-quality reference images/videos are used and as will any display, the local ambient lighting conditions will affect the image, so will the calibration process.

For photo-editing, just get an IPS panel and forget everything else hehe.

Those info are quite erroneous bro... Very poor site hehe.

LCDs do NOT suffer from burn-in.
LEDs are just marginal in benefit in terms of power consumption unless you're comparing LED vs. old gen LCDs. (In fact, even modern Plasmas have similar low-energy usage as LEDs)
The mercury content of LCD panels are soooooooooo low, in fact, it even passes ROHS certifications.
"State of the Art" is such a silly, subjective, non-quantifiable term to use hehe.

Granted that LED TV/Monitors are marketed as higher-end displays these days, it'll naturally drive the selling price higher and will probably have more specs, however, the differences are marginal unless top-quality reference images/videos are used and as will any display, the local ambient lighting conditions will affect the image, so will the calibration process.

For photo-editing, just get an IPS panel and forget everything else hehe.

Nyaha sorry about that, my bad. I clicked on the first link that Google threw at me. :Grin:

For photo-editing, just get an IPS panel and forget everything else hehe.

Yeah forget about LCD vs LED discussion. The answer to the thread title is an IPS Panel. I have an LED monitor and the difference with my IPS Panel is night and day.

Yeah forget about LCD vs LED discussion. The answer to the thread title is an IPS Panel. I have an LED monitor and the difference with my IPS Panel is night and day.

Are NEC IPS monitors readily available at most pc shops sir?

I've just checked PC Express and PC Options site and they don't seem to carry it. :(

just want to ask sirs, the TS mentioned that "CRT's are still the best [for photo editing].."

how come?

Does anyone know if the 27" 2711 Dell monitor is available here? How much are the Eizo's or NEC MultiSync PA monitors? I'm guessing that all of these are really expensive.

Does anyone know if the 27" 2711 Dell monitor is available here? How much are the Eizo's or NEC MultiSync PA monitors? I'm guessing that all of these are really expensive.
The Dell is selling for 75k through local resellers. It's a special order so it could take a month to get.

If you're using a Mac get the Apple Cinema Display. They're using IPS panels.

looked for the monitors in TPC and got myself the U2311H, i must say it was worth it!

You know that "before/after" button in spyder after the calibration? in all my previous monitors, there would be a big difference but on this dell the image hardly changed!!

main difference was more in the shadow details that i never saw in the samsung..and better colors!! Woohoo!!

looked for the monitors in TPC and got myself the U2311H, i must say it was worth it!

You know that "before/after" button in spyder after the calibration? in all my previous monitors, there would be a big difference but on this dell the image hardly changed!!

main difference was more in the shadow details that i never saw in the samsung..and better colors!! Woohoo!!

How much did you get it bro, if you dont mind? :)

The amount for it P14,500

The amount for it P14,500

I thinks it's reasonable enough, thanks! :)

The Dell is selling for 75k through local resellers. It's a special order so it could take a month to get.

If you're using a Mac get the Apple Cinema Display. They're using IPS panels.

Thanks for the info Paolo. :)

you might want to check out budget ips monitors from AOC http://www.pcx.com.ph/index.php/23-aoc-if23-1920x1080.html
it's 9300 php only.
i haven't seen one personally, i'll try to drop by pcx today and give feedback :)

What's the bang for a buck IPS monitor? I'm getting one. TIA

@Nikkie: Did you even read the thread?

@Nikkie: Did you even read the thread?

Yes, I read. :D
I'm asking if there's any other aside AOC. or other models.:D

Eizo ColorEdge CG221
http://www.eizo.com/products/graphics/cg221/index.asp

cinema displays are good. but these might be the best if u want super dee dooper accurate colors in an lcd... its got hardware calibration! not like a gretag macbeth or something which messes with the video card to match colors with an assumed to be differently colored monitor (every monitor in the market with no hardware calibration has its specific 'color cast'... calibrators adjust videocard output to standardize the color that you see to a specific gamma,color temp, etc.) but these instead make the color adjustments in the monitor itself! me likey

I believed only BARCO monitors comes with a calibrator but not a profiler. EIZO is one of the best. I guarantee that coz I am using it. You still need a a gadget to calibrate the hardware and save the the ICC profile to your OS.

There's an AOC booth in SM Megamall that have the AOC IPS monitor along with an LCD and an LED on its sides. The contrast is so much crisper on the IPS than the others, plus there's very little change in color when viewed in different angles. :D Biting the bullet later and getting one.... my previous monitor went dead yesterday.

lucky you! how much does it sell for there?

amazingly, THERE WAS NO STOCK in Silicon Valley Megamall!! (coz it's priced at an amazing 6,675 bucks!) vs the norm 9,900 from the AOC booth! I will be hunting for some in other branches tomorrow! (sweldo has arrived :D)

still have photos to edit and my i7 rig is looking like a waste.

The AOC booth has the IF23 side by side with an LED and LCD... the contrast/brightness/color is so noticeable with the IPS monitor! :D

still no stock for the IF23... Instead I just settled with the wiiiiide Samsung LED PX2370

Comprehensive List of IPS Based LCD Monitors

http://www.pchardwarehelp.com/guides/s-ips-lcd-list.php

Guys,

For our purposes... photography and video viewing and processing, which would you prefer:

A 22" entry Level LCD (Samsung B series.. B2230 if im not mistaken)

or

A 19" LED monitor (Samsung E series... not sure which model)

Where I am right now, the 22" LCD is slightly more expensive than the 19" LED.

What do you prefer... more screen real estate or the supposedly better quality of LED?

Thanks

I'd go for more screen size as it's easier for me to tell if details are sharp or not. Remember to calibrate your monitor :)

better quality LED

idk much about their prices but i hear LED monitors arent that expensive nowadays :)

size and LED monitors are the best!

I'm currently leaning towards the 23" LCD because for more or less the same amount of money, I don't think I will really notice the difference in terms of color gamut, contrast, etc... but I will surely notice the added screen real estate.

Of course the advantages of LED are also tempting as well.

Here's (http://www.buzzle.com/articles/led-vs-lcd-monitor.html) something very useful to help you decide

LCD for me too. Can't really say the difference... choose for bigger size

Can you please share the price ranges? I always vote for new tech...because its always better. LED backlit monitors have deeper blacks, and saves 40% less power consumption. My unit makes my eyes hurt though.:) But its samsung, their 21" LED monitor at 1080p resolution is just 10k nowadays..better get the best that you can afford. In tech..newer is always better majority of the time.

similar existing thread: http://www.digitalphotographer.com.ph/forum/showthread.php?t=4844&page=13&highlight=Monitors

Oh there it is.

Anyway I think im going with the slightly bigger LCD vs the slightly better LED.

Mods merge if you see fit.

Tnx.

basing the discussion of the thread that I've given. an IPS type LCD will always be better than the LED (unless of course it's an IPS LED monitor).

Also for post processing, it's better to get the biggest monitor you can afford. I moved up from a 17" LCD to a 23" LED and never looked back (though it should've been a 23" IPS monitor defaulted due to the lack of available monitors at that time)

Dell Ultrasharp U2410 h-ips and u2311h ips monitors are available at tpc.

Anyone got an idea how much a 23 and 27 in IPS monitor would cost here? Let's say Samsung, Viewsonic, or Dell

@adrian
bro, read that you got an AOC IPS panel lately? How is it? Choosing between this and the Dell Ultrasharp but is more expensive. :)

@nick
Read in another forum selling Dell ultrasharps- 23"-15k ; 24"premiere color-27k; 27"premiere color- 60k
;)

Finally bought a 23 inch IPS monitor. All I can say is that I hope I did it sooner. :)

@adrian
bro, read that you got an AOC IPS panel lately? How is it? Choosing between this and the Dell Ultrasharp but is more expensive. :)

no stocks of the AOC IPS mate. I got instead a Samsung P2370X instead at 15k . Though I'm currently queueing up for the Dell Ultrasharp. It's actually cheaper than the Samsung that I got :) at 13k (not sure if it's pulling through though :( as its a group buy)

My Samsung renders color well, though it would need a calibration as the white balance setting is set to Cool by default. Here's the review made by Tom's Hardware: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/dell-sr2320l-hp-2311x-samsung-px2370,2894.html

Finally bought a 23 inch IPS monitor. All I can say is that I hope I did it sooner. :)

What did you buy and how much. Im about to get an ips myself.

@adrian
Thanks mate. Jumped the gun and got myself a Dell IPS...all I can say is wow!

@Gerald

I got a Dell Ultrasharp at 13k ++ ;)

Thats a great price...is it brand new? Where did you get it?

@adrian
@Gerald
I got a Dell Ultrasharp at 13k ++ ;)

Hi Ian. Can you tell me where did you get yours? Thanks!

seen a 23 incher AOC IPS display in pcx for only P9200
you can check them out here (http://www.pcx.com.ph/index.php/peripherals/monitor/23-aoc-if23-1920x1080.html) and here (http://www.hardwaresphere.com/2010/03/18/aoc-if23-23-inch-lcd-monitor-with-ips-panel/)

even though i have a macbook and an ipad, i still prefer my powerful pc for occasional gaming, multi-tasking & photo editing. i love monitors and have been constantly changing from one brand to another to get the most that suits my tastes and eyes. i have already tried samsung, lg, viewsonic , chimei, hp. so far the best for me is the acer led 24slh and my newly purchased dell u23llh ips panel. i was hopping to get the acer 24U10" but was out of stock in singapore. the 27" is already too expensive for me and not justifiable since i have 42" 50" plasmas for ht already. i still prefer all out monitors instead of tv-monitors since i find their fonts much better.

would love to upgrade top a 24" ips panel soon once i find a local seller with a decent price....got my u23ll for only S$279 less 6.5% tax equivalent to P9800 only as oppose to the P15k price sold by local dealers.

my set up:

http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/224001_227708690577089_100000138802830_1138949_818 5011_n.jpg
Acer S243HL LED side by side with Dell 23Ull IPS Ultra Sharp Monitor

http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/226581_227708300577128_100000138802830_1138946_782 1061_n.jpg
with ipad 1 & 2

Acer S243HL LED
for occasional gaming,
pros: 2ms response , only 17 watts consumption, thin panel
cons: too bright since it's led...my eyes hurt after sometime

Dell 23Ull IPS Ultra Sharp Monitor
my daily monitor
pros: anti-glare, ultra sharp colors, factory calibrated, true to life pics, cooler to my eyes, rotating/pivoting panel
cons: thick panel, 33 watts consumption, no hdmi, you can feel the heat emanating from the screen after awhile

:)

9800 is uber cheap. the 15k sold locally comes with 3 years of warranty though. I guess it's easy to bring/ship the monitor to singapore once it conks out hehe or a dead pixel is born.

9800 is uber cheap. the 15k sold locally comes with 3 years of warranty though. I guess it's easy to bring/ship the monitor to singapore once it conks out hehe or a dead pixel is born.

No worries sir I'm not worried with warranties. Saving 5k is still a lot. I'm pretty sure I won't spend that much for repairs. Dead pixel warranties is a myth, local distros does not replace units unless you have a number of dead pixels that falls under their requirement. :Grin:

I guess the 3 year warranty applies to any Dell unit.:)




http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/226830_228857990462159_100000138802830_1146662_420 674_n.jpg

http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/230755_228857877128837_100000138802830_1146659_977 584_n.jpg

27Ull S$899 or P28,999 equivalent

@Dan Castro,

I replace them monitors as long as it's covered by Dell's premium panel guarantee hehe.

http://accessories.dell.com/sna/sna.aspx?c=us&cs=19&l=en&s=dhs&~topic=premium_panel

It's true though that for most LCDs sold here in the Philippines, I think they'll need at least 7 dead pixels (bright or dark) before they replace it. I know because when my LG Wxxxx something had 4 bright pixels, I was told that 7 is the international standard before they can replace it. Eventually, I had 7 dead pixels a few months after the warranty expired! LOL!

For Dell Ultrasharps though, one bright pixel is enough to have it replaced. I have already replaced two monitors that had bright pixel which were bought from me :)

@Dan Castro,

I replace them monitors as long as it's covered by Dell's premium panel guarantee hehe.

http://accessories.dell.com/sna/sna.aspx?c=us&cs=19&l=en&s=dhs&~topic=premium_panel (http://accessories.dell.com/sna/sna.aspx?c=us&cs=19&l=en&s=dhs&%7Etopic=premium_panel)

It's true though that for most LCDs sold here in the Philippines, I think they'll need at least 7 dead pixels (bright or dark) before they replace it. I know because when my LG Wxxxx something had 4 bright pixels, I was told that 7 is the international standard before they can replace it. Eventually, I had 7 dead pixels a few months after the warranty expired! LOL!

For Dell Ultrasharps though, one bright pixel is enough to have it replaced. I have already replaced two monitors that had bright pixel which were bought from me :)


Hi Jason. I presume you're the TPC seller. :)

If you don't mind me asking why your units are overpriced especially the 27" priced at P60k. SRP abroad is only around P29k plus lets say shipping, handling and extra charges, I guess it won't reach P40K. Plus it will take 30 days to arrive so I presume you'll have it shipped thru boat cargo. Your pricing is almost doubled. Where do the units come from? Are the units tax paid?

Plasma and 40" Lcd's from the US thru balikbayan forwarders only charge US$200 or more + insurance per pc., smaller boxes are cheaper since it's just 27". I just can't find the right reasoning except double profit. I know it's risky bringing 'em in but I'm sure you've figured out that you'll make lots of money from it. Who wouldn't?:Grin:

If only it's decently priced...I'd surely buy one from you. :)

Hi Jason. I presume you're the TPC seller. :)

If you don't mind me asking why your units are overpriced especially the 27" priced at P60k. SRP abroad is only around P29k plus lets say shipping, handling and extra charges, I guess it won't reach P40K. Plus it will take 30 days to arrive so I presume you'll have it shipped thru boat cargo. Your pricing is almost doubled. Where do the units come from? Are the units tax paid?

Plasma and 40" Lcd's from the US thru balikbayan forwarders only charge US$200 or more + insurance per pc., smaller boxes are cheaper since it's just 27". I just can't find the right reasoning except double profit. I know it's risky bringing 'em in but I'm sure you've figured out that you'll make lots of money from it. Who wouldn't?:Grin:

If only it's decently priced...I'd surely buy one from you. :)


Bro, I don't mind at all! :)

You are probably comparing apples to oranges. Different countries have different pricing schemes which even me (or probably Dell) can't figure out why lol. Not to mention the 3 year Premium Panel guarantee vs a gray import. Let's take for example the U2711's SRP from the US. It's $949 and coverted to Peso, it's around 42k (@44PhP/USD), I presume you are well familiar with shipping and customs, taxes are based from the actual unit price+shipping, which would give around a landed cost of 61k.


I don't know where the official distributor gets them but what I know are:
-It's covered by 3 years premium panel guarantee locally
-It's definitely tax paid
-It's legally imported

A parallel/gray import (an item you bring in by other means besides the official distributor OR personally) will definitely be cheaper, Specially if it doesn't conk out within 3 years. No taxes to pay, no warranty to claim.

Now let's say in an event it does, you pay not only the shipping expense going TO wherever you got your unit but you also pay for shipping going back to you and you need a middle man to handle logistics (you ship your item to your middle man and he/she ships it to you) unless of course you let Dell handle logistics which means even more expensive. Another option for frequent travellers is to bring the unit yourself.

re: double profit --> now this comment is unnecessary and inaccurate. Again, you are probably comparing apples to oranges. Using your 29k figure for the U2711, you haven't factored in shipping and taxes. By law, any item you bring in is dutiable. Exemptions include, returning residents (as long as it's not of commercial quantity), balikbayans, etc (http://www.customs.gov.ph/faqs.php#1.1)

I hope I have shed some light to an area most commonly misunderstood. ;)

Cheers!