a direct punch :Grin:
read the print below
http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u113/dlattrell/Sony%20Advertisement/SonyAd.jpg

Bastos yung Ad... mmmmmmmmm... I wonder how they managed to pull it off...

this is what Minolta did not have, Sony did a very bold move here putting the names & products of the competitor with a yellow line, believe me my friend this is all out war!

Bastos yung Ad... mmmmmmmmm... I wonder how they managed to pull it off...
Ang puso mo Earl... :)

I guess it's about the ONLY feature they have over the other cameras. They need it badly because of it's poor high-iso performance.

Has anyone held one though? It feels like it'll break into pieces if you ever so slightly drop it. :Grin:

Ang puso mo Earl... :)

I guess it's about the ONLY feature they have over the other cameras. They need it badly because of it's poor high-iso performance.

Has anyone held one though? It feels like it'll break into pieces if you ever so slightly drop it. :Grin:

Well, I don't want to bash Sony here... But I tried the camera out... I just didn't like it (period) :D hehehehehehehehehehe... Break into pieces... mmmmmmmmmmm...

Sony is a good electronics company, usually i have a TV and some gadget made by Sony,,, BUT for DSLR @#$*%#$@.

Peace to all sony user out there:)

Bastos yung Ad... mmmmmmmmm... I wonder how they managed to pull it off...

sir earl,

'di ko napigilan matawa ROTFLOL sa comment mo sumakit tuloy tiyan ko
hahahha bastos talaga hahaha:D

wow. :Shock:

i thought name bashing is a no-no in advertisments? :Thinking:

Wala pa sila market...kya ganyan sila!!!! They are riding at the popularity and gains of other companies...parang politics dto sa atin ( siraan mo ang kalaban mo...para umangat ka..he..he..he:Thinking: ) These are the signs and symptoms of a ''VERY INSECURE COMPANY":D

aba aba aba... direct hit nga ah.. the nerve!! hahaha... sige na pag bigyan na, unang cam naman nila e..

in the philippines, we cannot do direct comparison advertising. but in other countries like the US or parts of Europe yes.

Imagine tags like "comparable to Centrum" or "better than Colgate". Hehe. That's why ads are so interesting here. They have to get creative to get around direct comparison. :D

in the philippines, we cannot do direct comparison advertising. but in other countries like the US or parts of Europe yes.

Yup! Agree! Here in the Ph, the Advertising industry is self-regulated. The Adboard would not allow any ad to be ran mentioning the competitor. In the US/Europe, it is a common practice.

Although, I'm Nikon Fanboy, I like this ad. Nikon or Canon knows that the electronics giant has lots of money to burn for marketing and R&D. This pressures Nikon/Canon to be one step ahead of Sony, always. This will urge them to develop new technologies in photography, which is always a win-win for consumers like us. :)

i agree that A100 has a flimsy body & is noisier @ high ISO compare to canon & nikon. and if i have to choose a dslr body right now it would be a Canon 5D.

but then again don't forget that Sony has an ACES on its hands right now. the CMOS sensor and the CZ lenses. CMOS was already proven with Sony R1 prosumer camera. well as for the CZ lenses, i think it doesn't need to be introduce. think i'll just wait and see. :Grin:

...this reminds on a ban softdrinks ad a kid wanting to buy Pep but the botton was to high so he bought 2 coks instead, layed them down on the ground & used them as a stepping stone so that he can reach the Pep botton :Grin:

Minolta has had a good rep when it came to thier system, they had a lot of First ( First AF in body to name one ) but they lack the aggressive marketing strategy of Sony. The A100 has ads here in hk & in China & a lot of other Sony stuff. Lets jut wait for the next cam & see if they really have the right to be a Bully :)

his will urge them to develop new technologies in photography, which is always a win-win for consumers like us. :)

Competition is always healthy. But I really don't get why sony had to feed from Canon and Nikon. I guess it is a question of ethics... but at this point.. i'd like to see the reaction of canon and nikon.

parang nung pumasok ang sun sa industry.. although hindi siya nang bash ng ibang telecom companies... they encouraged competition. oh diba tingnan nyo may unlimitxt narin..

la lang.. :D

p.s. ahhh basta nikon parin ako..!

what 2 cameras from nikon and canon did sony cross out? the 400d and d40?

it seems that the pic came from a magazine.


ok... i'd like to see sony cross out a d2x or a mkII. it'd be funny if canon and nikon team
up to make a counter-offensive poster- two posters, two different bodies from 2 rivals, but one theme, get back at sony.


any of the photoshoppers here care to make one? :Angry: :Evil: :Angry:

must be an ad for us/europe campaign... they can pull it off, yes.

but still that red thingie looks nice even with the yellow slash over it. :D

imagine if this is allowed here in the philippines :) i can see banking ads, fastfood ads, hospital ads, school ads, etc. hehe!! :D

imagine if this is allowed here in the philippines :) i can see banking ads, fastfood ads, hospital ads, school ads, etc. hehe!! :D

that would be a hint to shift careers...be a lawyer na lang :Grin:

STABILIZE NONE? Oh yes coz' PROS can handle it(NIKON\canon) at ease even at 1/6 sec.

Maganda naman talaga ang images na pino-produce ng Sony ah!

Ngek! Alpha pala ang pinaguusapan... kala ko Wega/Bravia. LOL! :Grin:

Oh yes, sa Wega/Bravia ok , but sa output NIKON pa rin. He He

With their own IS and VR lenses canon and nikon woudnt have much to worry..i think Canon focuses more on impt features like the new DigicIII processor for image quality (which theyre testing on the new G7), high dynamic range, less noise, anti dust..

But with an in camera IS, why not..either way this competition is a win situation for us users..:)

It's a good ad for competitions sake. Ad war is good for us consumers :)

I like the ad actually, strong marketing...

I would still credit the legacy left behind by Minolta... Go East, Go West, Minolta is the Best!

I would still credit the legacy left behind by Minolta... Go East, Go West, Minolta is the Best!

you said it papi :)
yung date natin ha hehehe
(also Minolta is the first to have Image Stabilizer in-body)

... Go East, Go West, Minolta is the Best!

Go North Nikon, Go South Canon!
Where does Olympus Go
Relax Pentax
Samsung you've got
Just climb to the top!

Nice ad! :D

If you think about it, none of these companies fight with each other. Only the customers make it a big deal. They even share technologies. Apple and Dell laptops for instance uses Sony batteries. It is a fact that not all parts in a product are cost-effective to manufacture on your own.

You can't complain about Sony using this ad(if ever this is an official ad). It's not personal, it's business.

In the end, the customers still decide.

P.S.

I heard Canon point and shoots use Sony image sensors. Is that true? Curious lang ako.

Nice ad! :D


I heard Canon point and shoots use Sony image sensors. Is that true? Curious lang ako.

Yes, it's true. Digicam CCDs are either manufatured by Sony, Sharp, or Panasonic.

Nice ad! :D

If you think about it, none of these companies fight with each other. Only the customers make it a big deal.

Hehe, so true... Marketing minions....

for the ad i think it's ok to mention brand names,, but for the camera of the year award,, i really disagree ( peace to sony alpha users )

for the ad i think it's ok to mention brand names,, but for the camera of the year award,, i really disagree ( peace to sony alpha users )


So you mean to say don't mention brand names for the camera of the year? :D
Sige Camera of the Year -- Alpha 100!! hehe

So you mean to say don't mention brand names for the camera of the year? :D
Sige Camera of the Year -- Alpha 100!! hehe

i mean it's ok to mention the competitors name,, nikon and canon,, hehehe:D my mistake

Basta ako i love CaNon... hehehhe but i am always Nikon Shooter... Nikon to any point of Luzon visayas and mindanao. and all over the freakin world and yet of course i love my Bravia... hear hear :)

Nikon flagship DSLR uses Sony CMOS sensor, right?

Nikon flagship DSLR uses Sony CMOS sensor, right?
you are right! :) Nikon uses the CCD as the sensor of choice in most of its digital cameras, with the exception of the D2 models, which incorporate a Sony-made CMOS sensor. Westfall believes, though, that there’s an industry-wide trend away from CCD. “Sony has announced their intention to migrate their entire product line to CMOS,”

Sony's CMOS development > http://www.digitalphotographer.com.ph/forum/showthread.php?t=3593

wow. :Shock:

i thought name bashing is a no-no in advertisments? :Thinking:

Actually sa Philippines lang iyan. Sa US this is normal as long as you are not saying untrue thing.

Yes, it's true. Digicam CCDs are either manufatured by Sony, Sharp, or Panasonic.

From my research on the K10D - The Nikon D80, Sony A100, and Pentax K10D uses the Sony ICX493AQA CCD 2-channel sensor with some minor tweaks by each manufacturer.

The Nikon D200 uses the Sony ICX483AQA CCD 4 channel sensor.

i think i'll wait for Sony CMOS dslr. i hope the body improves. i guess Minolta didn't fell to the wrong hands afterall. :Grin:

thanks to Sony for upping the ante. we consumers will benefit more.

who knows. one of these player might come up with affordable digital medium format in the future... :Dum:

I considered Sony A100 initially but after I tried it. medyo hindi maganda ang placement of some of the buttons on the grip.

wow. :Shock:

i thought name bashing is a no-no in advertisments? :Thinking:


it's not a no no thingy.. name bashing here in canada is not a shocker, when i saw that ad, it's nothing.. LOL.. i've seen lots on commercials..

it's not a no no thingy.. name bashing here in canada is not a shocker, when i saw that ad, it's nothing.. LOL.. i've seen lots on commercials..

True, even in the US it's pretty common. It's only here in the Philippines wherein it's unethical to putdown other brands in an ad.:)

FTT: I can do without Stabilization.... Been producing fine images without it during the film days, certainly can do without it now. And if ever I need it, theres Nikkor VR lenses. I've handled an alpha, i dont like it. :)

bastos yung ad.. di talaga yan malalabas sa pinas... sa bagay... pagbigyan dahil unang labas nila.... hanggang dun nalang sila ata eh... sa ads.... hihihi! joke! :D

.......hmmmmm so you guys think the next model will a Beta Max200 :D

From my research on the K10D - The Nikon D80, Sony A100, and Pentax K10D uses the Sony ICX493AQA CCD 2-channel sensor with some minor tweaks by each manufacturer.

The Nikon D200 uses the Sony ICX483AQA CCD 4 channel sensor.


Oh really?! You mean the Nikon D80 uses a Sony sensor? Maybe that's why they have the guts to do this ad. hahahaha :D

Yup. :)

Nikon D80 Sensor
http://www.letsgodigital.org/html/review/nikond80/elements/nikond80_3C.jpg

Pentax K10D Sensor
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/PentaxK10D/Images/Features/ccd.jpg

Sony A100 Sensor
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/SonyDSLRA100/Images/Features/ccd.jpg
edit: I think this is the initial version of the sensor that's why it has a slighly different look from the D80 and K10D sensor.

And I recently learned that nearly all Canon Powershot cameras use a Sony CCD sensor.

Remember the CCD defect press release (http://www.canon-asia.com/index.jsp?fuseaction=image-phenomena_notice) of Canon more than a year ago for it's Powershot and Ixus series cameras? Guess what? Sony sensor. Well, that's from what I've read here (http://www.imaging-resource.com/badccds.html).

As Sony is the original sensor manufacturer for all of the other manufacturers' products listed above

Bastos yung Ad... mmmmmmmmm... I wonder how they managed to pull it off...

hehehe, nice one sir earl, this comment made my day!

hehehe, nice one sir earl, this comment made my day!

:D hehehehehehehehehe... Glad to be of Humour assistance to you Bro., I have more where that came from but it's best to reserve it offline... :D

Wala pa sila market...kya ganyan sila!!!! They are riding at the popularity and gains of other companies...parang politics dto sa atin ( siraan mo ang kalaban mo...para umangat ka..he..he..he:Thinking: ) These are the signs and symptoms of a ''VERY INSECURE COMPANY":D
I don't think Sony is insecure. They're proud of what they have. They even make sensors for Canon and Nikon. In short...no Sony, no sensors! :D

Sony rocks!!! :D

I don't think Sony is insecure. They're proud of what they have. They even make sensors for Canon and Nikon. In short...no Sony, no sensors! :D

Sony rocks!!! :D

Sorry Melvin... I was referring to their DSLR cameras. No doubt about it...Sony is a good company. Come to think of it.. all my stuff are Sony ( TV, DVD, CD player , Sony W1...my first P & shoot....aircon ko n lang ang hinde Sony..he..he..he Just a joke):)

Chill-out guys! There's nothing wrong with the ad... it's all factual. Sony did get the 2006 Camera of the Year award from Popular Photography. "Canon and Nikon Cameras stabilize none"... also true, Sony was clearly referring to in-camera image stabilization, thus the qualifier word "cameras." Although Sony didn't consider the VR-IS function that exists in Canon's and Nikon's digicams (also with Panasonic).

hehehehehehehehehehe... :D It's all good KaPepe... The boys are just having a fun ride at the Ad. :)

Where was this ad located? Most probably in the US or Canada, right?
sometimes, that is the way they advertise in those places, punching directly!
you may hear this type also in cars, Chevy attacking Honda... :) etc.

Sony is a good electronics company, usually i have a TV and some gadget made by Sony,,, BUT for DSLR @#$*%#$@.

Peace to all sony user out there:) well actually digital cameras has borrowed only the chip technology from video cam makers like sony. as far as i know in video cams only ikegami beat sony. sony is a leader in sensor technology isnt dslr's heart are sensors?

i hardly know anything about this Sony DSLR. i just want to ask, what do they mean when they say "whichever lens you use"? do they mean you can use Nikon and Canon lenses with the body? i doubt, but i really hardly know anything about this body.

i hardly know anything about this Sony DSLR. i just want to ask, what do they mean when they say "whichever lens you use"? do they mean you can use Nikon and Canon lenses with the body? i doubt, but i really hardly know anything about this body.

Miguel, "whichever lens you use" just means that any konica minolta/sony lens you mount on the Sony Alpha 100 will be stabilized because the camera body has built-in anti-shake(AS)/vibration reduction(VR)/image stabilizer(IS) or whatever you call it. :)

Di naman nila siniraan yung canon and nikon diba? They just said their strenght, and it's true that canon and nikon doesn't have the image stabilizing mechanism in their body. Good luck nga naman, kasi if you re not using IS and VR may tendency na magshake ka. Kung sa atin yan, malamang "compared to other brands" and sasabihin.

Parang surf and tide ad wars dati, "may chalk ads" :)

Let's remember that Sony was not the one who introduced in body anti-shake or image stabiliazation. This feature was introduced by, not surprisingly, Minolta in their Maxxum/Dynax 7D and then their Maxxum/Dynax 5D.

One bad marketing gimmick! Sony is afraid of its market share

Di naman nila siniraan yung canon and nikon diba? They just said their strenght, and it's true that canon and nikon doesn't have the image stabilizing mechanism in their body. Good luck nga naman, kasi if you re not using IS and VR may tendency na magshake ka. Kung sa atin yan, malamang "compared to other brands" and sasabihin.

Parang surf and tide ad wars dati, "may chalk ads" :) yup, and the stabilisers really works cause i have dimage 7 and a2 it really work...

im just wondering... Of the big 5 jap camera makers nikon, canon, oly, pentax, km/sony, the latter is currently has the least users (no, i don't hold actual statistical data but just by basing on DPP forum dslr users). Still why would other still feel insecure :Grin:

BTW im not a die hard KM/Sony fan. in fact i lust for D80 or 30D body and some L lenses.

ok i'll shut-up. :Dum:

live and let live. peace!

Let's remember that Sony was not the one who introduced in body anti-shake or image stabiliazation. This feature was introduced by, not surprisingly, Minolta in their Maxxum/Dynax 7D and then their Maxxum/Dynax 5D. yup, and minolta was acquired by konika, and later on konika-minolta was aquired by sony...

ang mga pinoy nga naman madaling masaktan lalo a yung mga die hard fans sa kani kanilang products. "no that aint right, sony shouldnt have placed a slash on my beloved nikon/canon. i have the greatest camera of them all". if not for sony, you guys wouldnt be yapping about how good your cameras are and how long your laptop batteries lasted. this ads are good for the consumer because they/we knew what are the strengths of a certain product compared to the competition. sony corp is the electronics giant no doubt about that, they may not give you the perfect camera, that is because they dont want to. like all companies, they bring some features to this product and some to the other product but not all have the complete feature you are all dreaming of, its all in the marketing. if they provided the consumers with the ultimate sony alpha, what will happen to the other camera manufacturers? mas malaki kinikita nila di hamak sa mga companies na bumibili ng parts nila kesa sa mga consumers na bago sa sony dslr. mas malaki ang market share ng canon and nikon dslr and well established na yung name sa industry so sony is just kicking a little dust so that they can cut a piece of the dslr pie at the other brand names expense. if you guys have seen how americans and europeans companies advertise their brands, your jaws might drop most especially in the automotive sector

ang mga pinoy nga naman madaling masaktan lalo a yung mga die hard fans sa kani kanilang products. "no that aint right, sony shouldnt have placed a slash on my beloved nikon/canon. i have the greatest camera of them all". if not for sony, you guys wouldnt be yapping about how good your cameras are and how long your laptop batteries lasted. this ads are good for the consumer because they/we knew what are the strengths of a certain product compared to the competition. sony corp is the electronics giant no doubt about that, they may not give you the perfect camera, that is because they dont want to. like all companies, they bring some features to this product and some to the other product but not all have the complete feature you are all dreaming of, its all in the marketing. if they provided the consumers with the ultimate sony alpha, what will happen to the other camera manufacturers? mas malaki kinikita nila di hamak sa mga companies na bumibili ng parts nila kesa sa mga consumers na bago sa sony dslr. mas malaki ang market share ng canon and nikon dslr and well established na yung name sa industry so sony is just kicking a little dust so that they can cut a piece of the dslr pie at the other brand names expense. if you guys have seen how americans and europeans companies advertise their brands, your jaws might drop most especially in the automotive sector right galing mo sir. i also use canon and minolta , sony (video cam nga lang) hehehe

Where was this ad located? Most probably in the US or Canada, right?
sometimes, that is the way they advertise in those places, punching directly!
you may hear this type also in cars, Chevy attacking Honda... :) etc.

Mismo - another very good example: Pepsi vs Coke ads :)

Competition is always good...good for the consumer with lower prices. It forces manufacturers to innovate and duplicate or be left behind.

STABILIZE NONE? Oh yes coz' PROS can handle it(NIKON\canon) at ease even at 1/6 sec.

its true, the bulk of the professional photographers use canon and nikon. however, some pros use the likes of pentax, hasselblad, leica, or olympus. I find your use of parenthesis and naming only a 2 horse race as "pro" caliber a little narrow.

you've made quite a bold statement there about your ability. I would love to see you shoot a handheld telephoto image at 1/6 of a second and without IS.

It's not an attack on you, had you said something like 1/15 or 1/20th I wouldnt have thought twice. The mere notion that you state only canon and nikon pros can handhold 1/6 of a sec, and without IS is pretty impressive. if you can pull this off, and i mean "tack" sharp then kudos to you.

cheers!

hmmmm i guess i'll make a thread about "Show us your 1/6 sec. shots" handheld without IS/VR/OS/SR :).....

I have a few 1/2 or 1/5th of a second shot handheld BTW, like this one
http://www.dcfever.com/photosharing/photos/20050901/l752601126372953.jpg

Taken with KM D5D with builtin AS :Grin: this shot would be impossible (for me!) if it weren't for the Anti Shake in the body.

hahaha... i find this ad very funny...:D
pero "badtoot" (but unethical according to Filipino standards that is)...:Grin:

The Ad is cool...the market knows best anyway...they do the surveys based on what?...The Market...consumers like us...Sony wanted a huge big cut from from the DSLR Pie....The would need a really sharp knife to cut it thru...as we say...Customers are always right...even if they don't release that ad..consumers knew that if you wanna make it big...GET NOTICED!...hehehe...this is one way to do it...

STABILIZE NONE? Oh yes coz' PROS can handle it(NIKON\canon) at ease even at 1/6 sec.

Is this a joke or a fact? I've been a PRO for more than a decade and I wouldn't dare shoot at 1/6s handheld even with AS/IS/VR/etc; with a tripod I will be more than happy to do so.

As a rule of thumb, PRO's follow the concept of "safe-handholding speed." That is, using a speed which is exactly the reciprocal of the lens' focal length. For example, if you're using a 50mm lens, your safe handholding speed is 1/50s (theoretically), and PRO's would not shoot handheld confidently if their shutter speed falls below this mark. In the field (or in actual practice), PRO's even try to introduce an error margin. That is adding two more steps above the suggested handholding speed. For example, with a lens of 50mm, safe handholding speed is 1/50s theoretically, adding two more steps would mean using 1/80s (varies from camera to camera).

The introduction of the stabilization function (introduced by Minolta in their Dimage series cameras, implemented in various ways by other manufacturers such as camera-based and lens-based) would allow you to shoot at 2-3 steps lower than the suggested handholding speed. For example, with a 50mm lens, you will be able to shoot at 1/30s and still capture blur-free images caused by "slight" camera shake.

So, where does shooting at 1/6s comes in? Possible, if you're using an 8mm or 10mm lens (theoretically).

Trivia...
If I'm using an 800mm lens with a 2X teleconverter on a 1.5X cropped sensor, my safe handholding speed will be about 1/4000s. I will definitely not shoot at 1/6s.

By the way... I am an avid Minolta/KM/Sony user (my main gears)... I am also using a Nikon D70s and a Canon 400D.

STABILIZE NONE? Oh yes coz' PROS can handle it(NIKON\canon) at ease even at 1/6 sec. gosh i guess those pros are the men of still (not steel)... hahahaha

chill-out guys...:Grin:
hey! i'm not taking sides here, let us just give him the benefit of the doubt...
after all, he never said he used a telephoto lens at 1/6 of a second hand held, did he? it could be just an UWA lens...

just like this one (not ultra wide 'though, straight from cam no PP):
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/220/476961262_0c3a700f70.jpg
here is the exif copy and paste from flickr:

Camera: Nikon D70 (http://www.flickr.com/cameras/nikon/d70/)
Exposure: 2 sec (2)
Aperture: f/3.5
Focal Length: 18 mm
Exposure Bias: 1 EV
ISO Speed: 200
Software: Ver.2.00
Date and Time: 2007:04:08 22:09:52
YCbCr Positioning: Co-Sited
Exposure Program: Aperture priority
Date and Time (Original): 2007:04:08 22:09:52
Date and Time (Digitized): 2007:04:08 22:09:52
Compressed Bits per Pixel: 4 bits
Maximum Lens Aperture: 36/10
Metering Mode: Pattern
User Comment: harry5388@yahoo.com+63922-377-8488
Sub-Second Time: 80
Sub-Second Time (Original): 80
Sub-Second Time (Digitized): 80
Color Space: sRGB
Sensing Method: One-chip colour area sensor
CFA Pattern: BLUE GREEN GREEN RED
Custom Rendered: 1
Digital Zoom Ratio: 1/1
Focal Length In 35mm Film: 27
Saturation: High saturation
Sharpness: Hard
Quality: FINE
White Balance: AUTO
Sharpening: HIGH
Focus Mode: AF-S
Flash Setting: REAR SLOW
Thumbnail IFD Offset: 1430
Flash Compensation: 254
ISO Speed Requested: 200 (May be different to Speed Used when Auto ISO is on)
Photo corner coordinates: 0, 0, 3008, 2000
AE Bracket Compensation Applied: 0/1
Tone Compensation (Contrast): NORMAL
Lens Type: 14
Lens Min/Max Focal Length, Min/Max Aperture: 180/10, 2000/10, 35/10, 56/10
Bracketing & Shooting Mode: Shooting Mode: Continuous AE/Flash Bracketing Off White Balance Bracketing Off
Colour Mode: MODE3a
Lighting Type: NATURAL
Noise Reduction: FPNR
Tag::Nikon Type 3::0x009A: 78/10, 78/10
Tag::Nikon Type 3::0x00A0: NO= 0001ca92
Tag::Nikon Type 3::0x00A2: 2791568
Total Number of Shutter Releases for Camera: 19469
Image optimisation: CUSTOM
Saturation: ENHANCED
Image Width: 3008 pixels
Image Height: 2000 pixels

i'm not here to brag, just wanna show you guys that 1/6 of a second handheld is indeed possible...:Grin:

btw, sorry for the OT...

yes i believe on good days we can pull that handheld long exposure of... but consistently? i don't think so... atleast IMHO.

talking about PROs? ive known 1 veteran general surgeon that everytime he performs surgery his hands shakes that he need to smoke a cig. :) so what's the relationship with pro photogs? its a case to case basis dude... professionals doesn't mean that they can hold still the camera for X # of secs.

oh one more thing re: PRO talk. as far as i know models on billboards & magazines were usually shot using medium formats. HASSLEBLADs! now were talking about a PRO tools! and yes i think those were shoot with tripod & hassy's doesn't have IS/VR (as far as a i know).

yes its possible at 1/6 of a sec but once the pic is blown up take a closer look...

1/6 (or slow shutter speeds) is possible without image stabilization...just make sure you properly brace yourself and the camera, control your breathing and gently squeeze the trigger. It takes practice, but it is possible. People did it before the advent of in-camera or in-lens stabilization.

Yes, this is true, 1/6s handheld shooting without the blur is indeed possible... and you don't need to be a PRO to be able to do it... and you don't need to be using a Nikon or a Canon to shoot at this speed (and become a PRO while at that). It seems that this PRO-thing is going out of hand, especially that it's being mis-used in this particular case.

Nonetheless, if your goal is to PROvide a PROfessional quality image (blur-free), you will not shoot at 1/6s handheld as a PROfessional photographer.

To me a pro is someone who's full time job is taking photographs, either in studio or in the field.

I think where this thread went awry is when the "1/6 of a second" came up. I've noticed that in what ever forum you go to, if someone posts a number that the debate can suddenly get heated or the discussion goes on a tangent. It's absolute, but it also makes discussion forums so interesting.

Pass the popcorn. :D

i'm not a PRO, and i'm not passing the popcorn (my favorite). hahaha...:D

Yes, it is definitely possible to shoot handheld at 1/6 sec BUT the question is, would you post the images you shot at that speed in your gallery as one of your best?

a direct punch :Grin:
read the print below
http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u113/dlattrell/Sony%20Advertisement/SonyAd.jpg

Awesome!

I'm a Nikon shooter but I think that Ad is awesome. I didn't even know it was allowed in the Phils. I have absolutely no problems with ads like these as long as they're true. Which in this case, it's true since Nik and Can don't have VR built into their bodies.

Although, I doubt body based stabilization work as well as lens based VR and IS. Just a guess, but I think that the current lens based VR can probably do 2 stops more than the Sony or Pentax bodies, but definitely an extra stop gain most of the time. Plus with budget lenses like the 55-200 getting VR, Nikon is obviously going the lens based way. We're probably going to see another budget VR this year from Nikon. Maybe by the end of May.

But overall, regardless of what anyone says, body based stabilization is a good thing. I'm not a big fan of Sony camera's in general, but it's great to see someone doing something different to keep the market highly competitive. Too bad fanboys don't see the upside of things like these.

I remember when Oly announced their Live-View's, Nikon and Canon shooters started scoffing at it despite the OBVIOUS benefits it had. Why does nobody scoff at the almost ineffective and practically useless anti-dust feature of the 400D for example?

getting back to the ad of sony (slr) i think nothings bad about it, it is true that their alpha stabilizes images while nikon (slr) and canon (slr) does not have it in their bodies but they have expensive lenses with stabilizers. nothings bad about telling the truth it only hurts sometimes...

bastos nung ad :(

Ang totoo nyan, may mga kilalang camera brand ang nagpapagawa ng camera sa ibang maker. Sub-con ika nga. Bale tatak lang ang binabayaran.:Grin:

Bakit ko alam? kasi galing ako dun sa company ng gumagawa.

Ang totoo nyan, may mga kilalang camera brand ang nagpapagawa ng camera sa ibang maker. Sub-con ika nga. Bale tatak lang ang binabayaran.:Grin:

Bakit ko alam? kasi galing ako dun sa company ng gumagawa.

uy secret ba yan :Grin:
sino kaya yun?

uy secret ba yan :Grin:
sino kaya yun?

Hindi naman, Baka lang kasi sumama ang loob nung mga nakabile.
Yan din ang sabi sa akin nung isang Pinoy na nagtatrabaho sa Batam, Indonesia. Gumagawa sila ng mga kilalang brand.

No worries... hindi naman yung mga DLSR ang tinutukoy ko.
Yun yung mga camera na P&S (point and shoot)

actually it's just personal preference..let's not start a feud between the jedi's and the darkside against the growing number of alpha users.. thread title is sony vs nikon and canon eh! hehe re: the advertisement.. i think that sony is stepping on wrong grounds..

Just read this thread. Actually this Ad as allowed in the US of A. As long as it is the truth. Well it is true, they have the super steady shot in there Dslr. They did not say they are the best or anything. And they are not saying anything bad or degrading about the Nikon or Canon any other brand. They did not say there lenses are clearer than Nikon or Canon. It's just that they have the VR or the IS in camera. I think it's fair advertising. :Grin:

This ad was simply done in bad taste (considering the Filipino culture). Technically, there was nothing wrong with what Sony had written. But the tone of the copy was very demeaning, and the choice of visuals, highly unimaginative. Here, the Ad Board prohibits such ads, so advertisers are compelled to lambaste their competitors in a subtle, more creative manner, which is more fun in my book. :Grin: One thing this Sony ad has is impact (to us Filipinos and others who share our non-confrontational culture). I am not sure though if the impact is favorable to the brand or otherwise. As they always say, bad publicity is still publicity. At the end of the day, I think this ad was not targeted to the Filipino market anyway, so it is passable. But then again, this ad appeared in an international magazine, so Sony should have considered other markets. Now, I'm confused. :Grin: Peace to all Sony Alpha users. Your camera is good, but this ad is simply bad.

Just read this thread. Actually this Ad as allowed in the US of A. As long as it is the truth. Well it is true, they have the super steady shot in there Dslr. They did not say they are the best or anything. And they are not saying anything bad or degrading about the Nikon or Canon any other brand. They did not say there lenses are clearer than Nikon or Canon. It's just that they have the VR or the IS in camera. I think it's fair advertising. :Grin:

a very sensible analogy :)

sorry to dig this issue... but let me share my opinion.

getting back to the ad of sony (slr) i think nothings bad about it, it is true that their alpha stabilizes images while nikon (slr) and canon (slr) does not have it in their bodies but they have expensive lenses with stabilizers. nothings bad about telling the truth it only hurts sometimes...

@Glen - i like your statement very constructive.

The ad is correct.
Which part is the BASTOS.
WT F there is nothing wrong with the ad, it just says the FACT.
I select sony for my dslr because i believe in these features and i believe in their products. And to tell I own most their products to mention...

my dslr is a sony
my memory cards are sony
my tv is sony
my mobile fone is sony
my dvd player is sony
one of my notebooks is sony
my dvd burner is sony
my fdd is sony
my cdrom is sony
my cdrw is sony
my mo is sony
i own a psXs which is a sony
my printer is a sony
my camcorder is a sony
i have my walkman which is a sony
my headphones are sony
my voice recorder is a sony
my portable reader is a sony
my portable dvd is a sony
my car radio is a sony
my speakers are sony
my clock is sony
my radio is sony
my alarm clock is a sony
my batteries are sony
my tripod is a sony

and many other sony, i bet you guys own a sony also.

Let me print this Ad into a T-Shirt - I like this ad. :)
http://i17.tinypic.com/4klgnkk.jpg


cheers!

sorry to dig this issue... but let me share my opinion.



@Glen - i like your statement very constructive.

The ad is correct.
Which part is the BASTOS.
WT F there is nothing wrong with the ad, it just says the FACT.
I select sony for my dslr because i believe in these features and i believe in their products. And to tell I own most their products to mention...

my dslr is a sony
my memory cards are sony
my tv is sony
my mobile fone is sony
my dvd player is sony
one of my notebooks is sony
my dvd burner is sony
my fdd is sony
my cdrom is sony
my cdrw is sony
my mo is sony
i own a psXs which is a sony
my printer is a sony
my camcorder is a sony
i have my walkman which is a sony
my headphones are sony
my voice recorder is a sony
my portable reader is a sony
my portable dvd is a sony
my car radio is a sony
my speakers are sony
my clock is sony
my radio is sony
my alarm clock is a sony
my batteries are sony
my tripod is a sony

and many other sony, i bet you guys own a sony also.

Let me print this Ad into a T-Shirt - I like this ad. :)
http://i17.tinypic.com/4klgnkk.jpg


cheers!


Wow! such a Loyal customer to the brand! I just realize that I only own a "Sony PSP" and nothing more.:D

Amazing Sean... what a SONY fanatic :D

hmm.. wait let me think, i only have a...... "Sony Alpha 100 DSLR" ... hahaha :D

guys here are right and i agree w/ them because the only thing other people reacted on this ad is because its unfair that they spent to much on their IS/VR lenses while brand like Sony, Pentax and Olympus have it in there body.. imagine that :)

Any lens?! :P

i totally agree with you guys... nothing's wrong with it

sorry to dig this issue... but let me share my opinion.



@Glen - i like your statement very constructive.

The ad is correct.
Which part is the BASTOS.
WT F there is nothing wrong with the ad, it just says the FACT.
I select sony for my dslr because i believe in these features and i believe in their products. And to tell I own most their products to mention...

my dslr is a sony
my memory cards are sony
my tv is sony
my mobile fone is sony
my dvd player is sony
one of my notebooks is sony
my dvd burner is sony
my fdd is sony
my cdrom is sony
my cdrw is sony
my mo is sony
i own a psXs which is a sony
my printer is a sony
my camcorder is a sony
i have my walkman which is a sony
my headphones are sony
my voice recorder is a sony
my portable reader is a sony
my portable dvd is a sony
my car radio is a sony
my speakers are sony
my clock is sony
my radio is sony
my alarm clock is a sony
my batteries are sony
my tripod is a sony

and many other sony, i bet you guys own a sony also.

Let me print this Ad into a T-Shirt - I like this ad. :)
http://i17.tinypic.com/4klgnkk.jpg


cheers!

I just realized bastos nga yung ad, dapat $ony - hindi Sony!
:D