New Fuji X100 [Archive] - Digital Photographer Philippines

GeraldBARIA

09-22-2010, 06:14 PM

Am pretty sure the majority of the target market for this kind of product (and who could afford to buy it) couldn't care less.

Why? At $1,000 approximately 50K Php its pretty much the same price range as semi pro dslrs ar sony's nex-5, people who buys these things are either photographers/enthusiasts who's fond of new toys they dont need or travel buffs who just wants to take a picture of everything they see. Travel buffs riding on a boat who saw some dolphins jumping around can't "foot-zoom" their way in taking close ups of those cute fishes. Or if he's beside a cliff wanting to take pictures of birds, he also cannot step forward to zoom, cant he. So most likely than not, not having zoom ( or an option to install one ) will be a deal breaker for most of the target customers of this camera. I for one is disappointed..I like having options. Its been enjoying very positive reviews from large gagdget sites because of its looks and hybrid viewfinder..so most likely than not in its version 2, interchangeable lens will surely come. Goodluck to itchy handed early adopters.

But I still think it's the best looking EVIL digital camera in existence so far.

bingpena

09-22-2010, 06:49 PM

Love Knobs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

speaking of knobs… http://www.scubaboard.com/forums/images/smilies/rofl3.gif (http://www.scubaboard.com/forums/images/smilies/rofl3.gif)

btw, who's the local fuji distributor?

OT: the new M9 titanium looks gorgeous!

Gil Penaflorida

09-22-2010, 09:06 PM

I just gawk when I see comments like this :Sick:. Do you really think photography is all about zoom and telephoto lenses? if telephoto is your thing then this is definitely not for you. So many great photographers shoot with one camera and one lens and has created works of art far beyond the birds and the fishes. IMO it does not matter whether one carries a point and shoot as long as he has the eye. You should have seen a guy who travelled around Asia using an Ericsson camera phone to shoot and put the prints on exhibit at Boni High Street and they are real nice photos.

Why? At $1,000 approximately 50K Php its pretty much the same price range as semi pro dslrs ar sony's nex-5, people who buys these things are either photographers/enthusiasts who's fond of new toys they dont need or travel buffs who just wants to take a picture of everything they see. Travel buffs riding on a boat who saw some dolphins jumping around can't "foot-zoom" their way in taking close ups of those cute fishes. Or if he's beside a cliff wanting to take pictures of birds, he also cannot step forward to zoom, cant he. So most likely than not, not having zoom ( or an option to install one ) will be a deal breaker for most of the target customers of this camera. I for one is disappointed..I like having options. Its been enjoying very positive reviews from large gagdget sites because of its looks and hybrid viewfinder..so most likely than not in its version 2, interchangeable lens will surely come. Goodluck to itchy handed early adopters.

But I still think it's the best looking EVIL digital camera in existence so far.

bingpena

09-23-2010, 02:26 AM

here it is next to the PEN

http://www.dkamera.de/media/cache/big/news/neu-fujifilm-finepix-x100/P1000561.jpg

more @ http://www.dkamera.de/news/photokina-2010-fujifilm-finepix-x100/

jedllamas

09-23-2010, 08:59 AM

daniel go

09-23-2010, 09:33 AM

johnluthergarcia

09-23-2010, 10:13 AM

Sonny Thakur

09-23-2010, 10:42 AM

laurenmalcampo

09-23-2010, 11:31 AM

Are You serious? :Shock:

@Daniel, i'll be looking forward to your review of this camera :). boy am i glad i didn't give in to the oly epl...

andrewong

09-23-2010, 12:37 PM

Inspired by the Leica M3?

http://www.pacificrimcamera.com/pp/leica/m/mpix/m3.jpg

chard_villareal

09-23-2010, 12:41 PM

Guys we all know he's a troll.. Don't feed the troll.. :D

daniel go

09-23-2010, 01:19 PM

Lauren, hahaha, No budget for it. I just got myself a slightly worn out but highly usable 1959 Rolleiflex 2.8E2 TLR, but..... the release is for next year so who knows hahaha :)

jayjavier

09-23-2010, 02:11 PM

Why? At $1,000 approximately 50K Php its pretty much the same price range as semi pro dslrs ar sony's nex-5, people who buys these things are either photographers/enthusiasts who's fond of new toys they dont need or travel buffs who just wants to take a picture of everything they see. Travel buffs riding on a boat who saw some dolphins jumping around can't "foot-zoom" their way in taking close ups of those cute fishes. Or if he's beside a cliff wanting to take pictures of birds, he also cannot step forward to zoom, cant he. So most likely than not, not having zoom ( or an option to install one ) will be a deal breaker for most of the target customers of this camera. I for one is disappointed..I like having options. Its been enjoying very positive reviews from large gagdget sites because of its looks and hybrid viewfinder..so most likely than not in its version 2, interchangeable lens will surely come. Goodluck to itchy handed early adopters.

But I still think it's the best looking EVIL digital camera in existence so far.

You mean there are cameras which actually allow the lens to be removed? :Dum:

1. Not every photo opportunity happens on a boat, with dolphins jumping around. And DOLPHINS AREN'T FISH. They're aquatic mammals.

2. When you're on top of a cliff, there are probably other subjects than birds. Your first intent of going up that cliff is probably to look at something else than birds. If you want to do closeups of them, there are better places to photograph them than on top of cliffs. Besides, going up a cliff with all that heavy artillery may not be a wise idea.

3. The above don't even constitute 2% of all the photography that people do. So not all of them like big cameras with heavy lenses. Some actually like to do things light and simple. One lens, and a fast compact camera. The first Leica was made to address the issues imposed by heavy cameras.

This is what the soon to come out Fuji camera, and other similar cameras which came before it, are addressing now. There are people who like this sort of arrangement, and they are the intended target market. The lack of lens changing options won't turn them off. (They likely hate or don't care about big heavy lenses) IT WILL MOST DEFINITELY TURN THEM ON. Just read through the previous posts of how many are already seduced by this sensuous new "evil" camera.

If given the chance to choose, I will choose the Fuji X100 anytime, without batting an eyelash, without hesitation, over the likes of a Canon 5D with a 28-200 something lens anytime. And I won't even look back.

Check your facts first- go through Basic Photography, Biology, and even Geology- before writing anything similar as what was quoted above in the future.:D:Grin:

daniel go

09-23-2010, 02:37 PM

Sir Jay, :D You must have been a highly trained sniper in disguise hahahahahaha

daniel go

09-23-2010, 02:42 PM

Inspired by the Leica M3?

Whether or not it was inspired by the M3, I think it is simply INSPIRED! :)

Something about it shouts out to me "BUY ME! BUY ME NOW!!" :)

jayjavier

09-23-2010, 03:20 PM

Whether or not it was inspired by the M3, I think it is simply INSPIRED! :)

Something about it shouts out to me "BUY ME! BUY ME NOW!!" :)

It was inspired not only by the M3, but the original Leica, Contax, the various Barnack copies, Yashica 35GN, Canonet, Minolta, Seagull, etc, and all others that came before it. A proven design that has weathered time and fashions, fads and media. A design so good that it cannot be killed (not even by gross ignorance:) ) and instead just keeps coming back.

Inspite of the wonders (real and supposed) of TTL SLR viewing and lens interchangeablility, with a thousand and two built-in "smart" features, the simple elegance and quiet confidence of the rangefinder still appeal to many people.

Fujifilm noted this and heard the buzz from people who wanted an updated classic tool - and thus made the Fuji X-100.

daniel go

09-23-2010, 03:52 PM

It was inspired not only by the M3, but the original Leica, Contax, the various Barnack copies, Yashica 35GN, Canonet, Minolta, Seagull, etc, and all others that came before it. A proven design that has weathered time and fashions, fads and media. A design so good that it cannot be killed (not even by gross ignorance:) ) and instead just keeps coming back.

Inspite of the wonders (real and supposed) of TTL SLR viewing and lens interchangeablility, with a thousand and two built-in "smart" features, the simple elegance and quiet confidence of the rangefinder still appeal to many people.

Fujifilm noted this and heard the buzz from people who wanted an updated classic tool - and thus made the Fuji X-100.

EXACTLY!!!! :)

Carlo Leonardia

09-23-2010, 03:59 PM

I wonder if those who will buy this because it looks cool will know how to use the aperture ring.....

Bambit Gaerlan

09-23-2010, 04:04 PM

I wonder if those who will buy this because it looks cool will know how to use the aperture ring.....

LOL Carlo, at least they won't have to contend with a push pull zoom that had me stumped, trying to zoom it by turning the focusing barrel, until I pulled the whole thing away by mistake and went -- ooooohhhh so THAT's how it works :D :D :D

My husband loves the compact film cameras. Even with two or three of those hanging down your neck you'll never be stopped by a guard from taking pictures, because they're so small the guards think they're harmless toys! :D :D :D

GeraldBARIA

09-23-2010, 06:15 PM

GeraldBARIA

09-23-2010, 06:27 PM

I thought your previous posts made some sense. (not in this thread though)
But now, I'd say people officially brand you: Idiot.

Just saying.

Thank so much for this very mature response...really my respect for you shot up really high. You are soo cool for being mean and insulting. Everybody should follow your footstep.

Hate the game not the player.

GeraldBARIA

09-23-2010, 06:45 PM

You mean there are cameras which actually allow the lens to be removed? :Dum:

Yes..they're called DSLRs and recently EVIL cams. They have this body which contains the sensor, processor and controls..and you attach lenses with various lengths and apertures. :Dum:

3. The above don't even constitute 2% of all the photography that people do. So not all of them like big cameras with heavy lenses. Some actually like to do things light and simple. One lens, and a fast compact camera. The first Leica was made to address the issues imposed by heavy cameras.

What I sighted above was the target market for this camera. Yes not all people like big cameras ang long lenses so manufacturers made one for them theyre called DIGICAMs. They're small, compact but most have the decency of providing OPTIONs to consumers who likes to "just take pictures"..options like zoom. Advances in technologies have enabled those manufactures to put the giant dslr sensors in small compact bodies (ex.nex-5) but all of them had some sense of placing interchangeable lens options for people for the sole purpose of that - OPTIONS. Because bodies are supposed to be that..they were supposed to get old and replace by newer electronics but lenses..which are just glass, are there to live forever. That has always been the system with these large sensors so they'd be used at the maximum potential.

OPTIONs. that's my only point. they had the gorgeous design. the knobs. That amazing hybrid viewfinder which all other compact -large - sensored camera's do NOT have, but they left one significant feature. A feature a camera enthusiast ( all of us here in dpp ) and regular folks will miss in a camera..zoom. And it aint that hard to put it. Nex-5 is waaay smaller but they were able to put a mount in? So why NOT.

I know why...so when version 2 comes out, with interchangeable lens, everyone who bought this x100 who can afford will have to upgrade the entire camera just to get that feature. Come on, even street photgraphers who many claim will be the main market for this cam would drool on the possibility of using f1.1 lenses with this beautiful cam too! But up until then, this is the best looking and most expensive DIGICAM that exists..afaik.

Sonny Thakur

09-23-2010, 07:00 PM

Thank so much for this very mature response...really my respect for you shot up really high. You are soo cool for being mean ang insulting. Everybody should follow your footstep.

Hate the game not the player.

I like how you try to make a comeback every time.
But I don't think the phrase "Hate the game, not the player" is appropriate in this discussion.

I'm just being forward and telling you what others want to tell you.

chard_villareal

09-23-2010, 07:14 PM

manny villafuerte

09-23-2010, 07:40 PM

I'm sorry. I can't help noticing. There's huge inconsistencies between your sig and your comments, Chard. Shouldn[t we be asking for St. John the baptist to pray for this so called idiot.?

chard_villareal

09-23-2010, 07:51 PM

I'm sorry. I can't help noticing. There's huge inconsistencies between your sig and your comments, Chard. Shouldn[t we be asking for St. John the baptist to pray for this so called idiot.?

What inconsistencies?

GeraldBARIA

09-23-2010, 07:56 PM

GeraldBARIA

09-23-2010, 08:00 PM

I like how you try to make a comeback every time.
But I don't think the phrase "Hate the game, not the player" is appropriate in this discussion.

I'm just being forward and telling you what others want to tell you.

Of course it is. Tackle the argument rather than the person = Hate the game not the player.
Discuss and destroy the idea being presented rather than making cheap shots at the person thinking you look so cool by demeaning people and calling them names.

Being forward is different from being insulting. Huuuuuuge difference. Stop trying to rationalize your attitude. There's too much evil in this world try not to add in.

manny villafuerte

09-23-2010, 08:06 PM

A bit OT chard. My meaning is I don't see Jesus in your heart with your comments. I think it was Jesus who said " You may not like the person but don't hate him". That's all. Sorry.

chard_villareal

09-23-2010, 08:17 PM

A bit OT chard. My meaning is I don't see Jesus in your heart with your comments. I think it was Jesus who said " You may not like the person but don't hate him". That's all. Sorry.

I don't hate him. I'm just stating facts. He's been the cause of numerous popcorn threads here in DPP. A lot have been complaining about him, heck as far as I know he was even banned before due to his attitude.

Gil Penaflorida

09-23-2010, 08:18 PM

AndyRodriguez

09-23-2010, 08:18 PM

Dude I think some already did call him that in the past hehe.. :D

I'm sorry. I can't help noticing. There's huge inconsistencies between your sig and your comments, Chard. Shouldn[t we be asking for St. John the baptist to pray for this so called idiot.?

A bit OT chard. My meaning is I don't see Jesus in your heart with your comments. I think it was Jesus who said " You may not like the person but don't hate him". That's all. Sorry.

just observing from the sidelines...

for these particular posts, from what i can gather, chard was simply making an observation that there had been a previous post to the effect of name calling elsewhere in the forum board.

as to how that constitutes inconsistencies is beyond me since he wasn't the one who did the name calling (as far as i can tell in this thread). i'm not trying to side with anyone here...just observing.:)

now back to thread...where did my popcorn go anyway?:D :D :D

bingpena

09-23-2010, 08:19 PM

asking again.... who distributes fuji locally?

@gerald

google "Leica X1"

jayjavier

09-23-2010, 08:20 PM

Yes..they're called DSLRs and recently EVIL cams. They have this body which contains the sensor, processor and controls..and you attach lenses with various lengths and apertures. :Dum:

Thats new to me! So what's next, people claiming that its possible to shoot photos in devices without sensors, processors, buttons and toggles, or batteries?Info overload!:Dum:

OPTIONs. , but they left one significant feature. A feature a camera enthusiast ( all of us here in dpp ) and regular folks will miss in a camera..zoom. And it aint that hard to put it. Nex-5 is waaay smaller but they were able to put a mount in? So why NOT.

Yes not all people like big cameras ang long lenses so manufacturers made one for them theyre called DIGICAMs. .....They're small, compact but most have the decency of providing OPTIONs to consumers who likes to "just take pictures"..options like zoom. Advances in technologies have enabled those manufactures to put the giant dslr sensors in small compact bodies (ex.nex-5) but all of them had some sense of placing interchangeable lens options for people for the sole purpose of that - OPTIONS. Because bodies are supposed to be that..they were supposed to get old and replace by newer electronics but lenses..which are just glass, are there to live forever. That has always been the system with these large sensors so they'd be used at the maximum potential.

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You cited (sighted?) the target market? You don't seem to know what sort of people populate the "market". Not everyone is into gadgets or too many options. The market is not 100% people who are just after "technologies" or the next tiny product with the biggest package inside.

What about choice? DSLRs and Compact digicams have their followers, but there is a certain segment who are not quite satisfied with what is being offered to them.

And this may come as a surprise to you, not everyone is into pixel counting, freudian zooming, millimeter bragging, or aperture flexing....:P How are you able to say that all in dpp want nothing but features and more features and longer zooms?

I know why...so when version 2 comes out, with interchangeable lens, everyone who bought this x100 who can afford will have to upgrade the entire camera just to get that feature. Come on, even street photgraphers who many claim will be the main market for this cam would drool on the possibility of using f1.1 lenses with this beautiful cam too! But up until then, this is the best looking and most expensive DIGICAM that exists..afaik.

Obviously you hardly know anything about the design of the Fuji X100, its raison d'etre, or the people who will be going for it. Wait, that you hardly know anything about rangefinders was clearly evident at the onset! :Evil:

1. Its not in the same league as the compact, viewfinderless cameras you lump it with. The fact that it handles like the rangefinders which a lot of documentary, news, and street photographers have grown up with, and got so used to, defines who the target market and application would be.

2. Documentary, street, and news photographers - many if not all of them- don't fell quite at home with the shooting/camera handling method imposed by a typical digicam. One can't be as stealthy by poking the prey with digicams- as what happens when composing through a backmounted LCD. The less obtrusive (and less invasive) method of keeping the camera close to the eye, and snug to the face is the preferred method. You'd have to step into the shoes of these photographers before you can really say that any digicam will do.

If you don't think this is so, try to figure why accessory optical finders are supplied for some of the advanced digicams.

3. Digicams react too slowly for decent street photography. Too much is lost by the lag between pressing the shutter button and the actual capture. The X100 promises to be as quick and responsive as the DSLR, and yet still be as compact as a digicam. Two features which obviously can't be found all at once in those two common camera styles.

4. The X100 is expensive because it really costs more to make. Aperture controls on the lens, shutter dials instead of buttons, and the optical viewfinder itself are more expensive to make- requiring more hand assembly and testing. Digicams with shutters or mirrors and only LCD screens are faster and less expensive to make- nothing much to calibrate or synchronise mechanically.

5. A typical street photographer in the classic sense uses wide angles. Zooms are not as appreciated. Street photography is about immediacy and context: get close to the subject and show it juxtaposed to what's around it. Street photography is not hiding behind doors or bins and shooting furtively with long lenses.

6. What makes you think that everyone will drool about f1.1 lenses? Or that the next model will offer zooms? Obviously, again, you're an "outsider" in the game. Putting zooms on the next model will defeat the X-100's main reason for being: compactness. Not all photographers are suckers for shiny gadgets, over the top apertures, etc. A photographer who knows what he needs won't even look at them.

Consider too, that the tool has to feel good in the hands of the photographer. And what about those who prefer to compose through an optical window instead of gazing on an LCD screen to compose? Or those who find the Nex 5 ugly, or that the 4/3s is too small? Or that the common digicams are TOO SLOW in response? Aren't their concerns valid?

7. Options? You think too much of what you may probably need in photography, rather than what is really needed in a particular application in photography. You dwell into what you can probably do with all the options- but really now, what have these options done for you?

Drowning in unlimited options may impair the brain...:Evil:

AndyRodriguez

09-23-2010, 08:27 PM

asking again.... who distributes fuji locally?

i recall my bestfriend being directed to the fuji-film main office in quezon city to have her camera serviced.

Gil Penaflorida

09-23-2010, 08:29 PM

Ariel Tresvalles distributes Fuji here. Their main office is at Sto. Domingo St. near corner Quezon Ave.

asking again.... who distributes fuji locally?

@gerald

google "Leica X1"

Gil Penaflorida

09-23-2010, 08:33 PM

His jaw will drop if he sees that the Leica X1 is $1999.

asking again.... who distributes fuji locally?

@gerald

google "Leica X1"

jayjavier

09-23-2010, 08:39 PM

Ariel Tresvalles distributes Fuji here. Their main office is at Sto. Domingo St. near corner Quezon Ave.

Correction lang for accuracy's sake.

Ariel Tresvalles does not distribute Fujifilm products in the Philippines. He works for YKL, who does the importing and distribution of Fujifilm products in the country.

GeraldBARIA

09-23-2010, 08:41 PM

Are you aware that the sensor size of the new Fuji X100 is an APS-C similar to a DX DSLR bigger than 4/3rds? Also a Digicam means any digital camera be it point and shoot or DSLR. This is a fixed lens digital camera with an APS-C sensor.

Your comments about who wants to own this camera is insulting IMO. Many of us in this thread who are interested in the X100 are not novice in photography thus the violent reactions. If you know the meaning of troll then you acted like one. Being young and inexperienced as you are, you should not act like the "know all" professional photog, yeah right you are just one dude with a DSLR. Your understanding of street photography is too shallow as can be seen in your flickr site several pictures of people walking past Mall of Asia .......is that all you can do? You're probably sitting on the pavement zooming in on people so lazy you can not even change your angles. Get real Mr. Zoom. Oh and btw, have you ever heard of prime lenses?

Ha!:D the classic your photos suck so you should shut up argument huh. Very classy! You got "Product Fanboyism" written all over you. All I stated were my view on this particular products..OPINIONS..and as such they are naturally DEBATABLE. which is the reason why we are in a forum...to discuss...right?

Not all photography oldies are automatic authorities when it comes to all photgraphy discussions...I can see a lot of posts here that sucks and they claim they have been practicing photography for decades and/or they have 10 100 grand camera's and half a million worth of pro-lenses. I may or may not buy this product, but that wont and shouldnt stop me, or anyone else NO MATTER THE AGE, PHOTOS OR PURCHASING POWER THEY HAVE FROM EXPRESSING VIEWS AND OPINIONS IN THIS PUBLIC INTERNET FORUM!

P.S.: Try reading all my previous posts since last year...I know more about new tech than most people here...im pretty aware of all those stuff your asking...its very easy to get informed these days with the net and all you know.

GeraldBARIA

09-23-2010, 08:46 PM

His jaw will drop if he sees that the Leica X1 is $1999.

Ooooohhh my jaw dropped.:Dum: Its a brand that makes late knock-offs of other brand's specs and tripples the price just because of their red badge. That's Leica.:D

Here's a recent tweet about them. Enjoy!

"What has a 1/1.63-inch CCD sensor capable of 10.1 megapixel stills, a 3.75x DC Vario-Summicron lens, and 720p AVCHD Lite video? The Panasonic LX5? Why yes, it does, and so does this carbon copy that Leica just unveiled, the D-Lux 5. Much as with the identikit LX3 and D-Lux 4 before them, the new 5 models share pretty much everything apart from brand name, accessories bundled in the box, and that all-important price tag."

Sonny Thakur

09-23-2010, 08:52 PM

raepedrosa

09-23-2010, 08:55 PM

x100... nice rf style compactness. would love to sample this when available in the market already.

Gil Penaflorida

09-23-2010, 08:56 PM

Opinion and sarcasm are 2 different things Mr. Zoom. Oh btw it really sucks.......I will puke looking at it.

carlo_atadero

09-23-2010, 08:59 PM

GeraldBARIA

09-23-2010, 09:01 PM

Thats new to me! So what's next, people claiming that its possible to shoot photos in devices without sensors, processors, buttons and toggles, or batteries?Info overload!:Dum:

You cited (sighted?) the target market? You don't seem to know what sort of people populate the "market". Not everyone is into gadgets or too many options. The market is not 100% people who are just after "technologies" or the next tiny product with the biggest package inside.

What about choice? DSLRs and Compact digicams have their followers, but there is a certain segment who are not quite satisfied with what is being offered to them.

And this may come as a surprise to you, not everyone is into pixel counting, freudian zooming, millimeter bragging, or aperture flexing....:P How are you able to say that all in dpp want nothing but features and more features and longer zooms?

Obviously you hardly know anything about the design of the Fuji X100, its raison d'etre, or the people who will be going for it. Wait, that you hardly know anything about rangefinders was clearly evident at the onset! :Evil:

1. Its not in the same league as the compact, viewfinderless cameras you lump it with. The fact that it handles like the rangefinders which a lot of documentary, news, and street photographers have grown up, and gone so used to, defines who the target market and application would be.

2. Documentary, street, and news photographers - many if not all of them- don't fell quite at home with the shooting/camera handling method imposed by a typical digicam. One can't be as stealthy by poking the prey with digicams- as what happens when composing through a backmounted LCD happens. The less obtrusive (and less invasive) method of keeping the camera close to the eye, and snug to the face is the preferred method. You'd have to step into the shoes of these photographers before you can really say that any digicam will do.

If you don't think this is so, try to figure why accessory optical finders are supplied for some of the advanced digicams.

3. Digicams react too slowly for decent street photography. Too much is lost by the lag between pressing the shutter button and the actual capture. The X100 promises to be as quick and responsive as the DSLR, and yet still be as compact as a digicam. Two features which obviously can't be found all at once in those two common camera styles.

4. The X100 is expensive because it really costs more to make. Aperture controls on the lens, shutter dials instead of buttons, and the optical viewfinder itself are more expensive to make- requiring more hand assembly and testing. Digicams with shutters or mirrors and only LCD screens are faster and less expensive to make- nothing much to calibrate or synchronise mechanically.

5. A typical street photographer in the classic sense uses wide angles. Zooms are not as appreciated. Street photography is about immediacy and context: get close to the subject and show it juxtaposed to what's around it. Street photography is not hiding behind doors or bins and shooting furtively with long lenses.

6. What makes you think that everyone will drool about f1.1 lenses? Or that the next model will offer zooms? Obviously, again, you're an "outsider" in the game. Putting zooms on the next model will defeat the X-100's main reason for being: compactness. Not all photographers are suckers for shiny gadgets, over the top apertures, etc. A photographer who knows what he needs won't even look at them.

Consider too, that the tool has to feel good in the hands of the photographer. And what about those who prefer to compose through an optical window instead of gazing on an LCD screen to compose? Or those who find the Nex 5 ugly, or that the 4/3s is too small? Or that the common digicams are TOO SLOW in response? Aren't their concerns valid?

7. Options? You think too much of what you may probably need in photography, rather than what is really needed in a particular application in photography. You dwell into what you can probably do with all the options- but really now, what have these options done for you?

Drowning in unlimited options may impair the brain...:Evil:

Ugh. Were not connecting here. I know about shutter lag..and I did not say digicams can compete with dslrs in street photography....I think your far too excited to reply thant to read what i just wrote.

Fine..your a rangefinder aficionado. Maybe you know a lot about film rangefinders. I dont know anything about them, and I don't intend to know. All I know is they look cool. I do know quite a bit about digital cameras though. There have been efforts to put large sensors on small bodies these days and its been great! They have one common fault though..that electronic viewfinder..which is never better than an optical one. I think the hybrid viewfinder of the x100 is its biggest strength. And the knobs. And the build quality. And the design. But the lens...thats awesome too. but its more awesome if it was interchangeable...with a lot more primes..orrrrr zooms..according to preference. The much smaller nex could do it..the similarly sized ep1 can..why not this? Its much bulkier, heavier anyways...WHY NOT?! Now I know its possible to place this..their only reason was to they optimized the lens for the sensor...but come on. We all know that's BS. Many might still buy this though...the aficionados like yourself. Go! No one's stopping you. All I'm saying is they have let out a feature that could have made this perfect in my humble opinion. Cheaper cameras can do it...and I know in version 2 they will to.

Gil Penaflorida

09-23-2010, 09:03 PM

I stand corrected.

Correction lang for accuracy's sake.

Ariel Tresvalles does not distribute Fujifilm products in the Philippines. He works for YKL, who does the importing and distribution of Fujifilm products in the country.

Gil Penaflorida

09-23-2010, 09:12 PM

@ Gerald, I believe you're not connected to anyone in this thread. And you, a zoom afficionado? Tell us more about the birds and the fish and the mountains.......

jay paolo reyes

09-23-2010, 09:23 PM

I like the look of the camera, don't know much about vintage cameras but this is one sexy beast, hopefully it performs well. If I have the money, I would seriously consider this since even if I have a DSLR, I like shooting with primes since it challenges me to look for angles, go closer or farther to the subject, etc. Hope it rains money ^_^

Gil Penaflorida

09-23-2010, 09:23 PM

Mr. Zoom read this link, 1000++ posts in 3 days all about the camera you say is "crap" http://www.rangefinderforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=95372

GeraldBARIA

09-23-2010, 09:25 PM

By this you mean reading Gizmodo and Engadget everyday?

That and more.:D

GeraldBARIA

09-23-2010, 09:28 PM

Mr. Zoom read this link, 1000++ posts in 3 days all about the camera you say is "crap" http://www.rangefinderforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=95372

I did not say the camera is crap?!!! I just did not like that its FIXED LENS....LIKE A DIGICAM....That's all. The camera is beautiful. i might buy one if you loan me some...Mr. old rich man.:)

carlo_atadero

09-23-2010, 09:29 PM

That and more.:D

so that makes you an expert on new technology then?

GeraldBARIA

09-23-2010, 09:36 PM

I'm sorry if you don't get my point Gerald.
I called you an idiot, not just because of the flawed arguments you put up, but because of how you phrase them. "Grammer" Police anyone?

Also, Nobody mentioned or implied they were authorities in photography in this thread. So...

Well sorry my english is not up to world standards here,...I did not know being bad in phrasing automatically makes one an idiot, which does not really matter because the point is, you should NOT call anybody an "idiot", or any other derogatory word, anytime because its MEAN. Respect each other. Be as nice as you can be as frequently as you can.

You deny being called authority but your being a grammer police? Ok.

GeraldBARIA

09-23-2010, 09:40 PM

Opinion and sarcasm are 2 different things Mr. Zoom. Oh btw it really sucks.......I will puke looking at it.

Oh that's really mature Mr. Oldie in Photography-man. Let's see them amazing pictures that you took thru those decades of photography sir. Im so excited to see their qualities and such since you amazingly seem to know what is a good and bad photo and all.. :D

mitzpicardal

09-23-2010, 09:41 PM

Gil Penaflorida

09-23-2010, 09:44 PM

No problem come to my office , I age gracefully like a Leica. I don't get obsolete in 18 months.......

http://gilpen.smugmug.com/Photography/Myself/POR8818/716688357_yrJ5v-L.jpg (http://gilpen.smugmug.com/Photography/Myself/10356425_CyqSR#716688357_yrJ5v-A-LB)

I did not say the camera is crap?!!! I just did not like that its FIXED LENS....LIKE A DIGICAM....That's all. The camera is beautiful. i might buy one if you loan me some...Mr. old rich man.:)

GeraldBARIA

09-23-2010, 09:46 PM

@ Gerald, I believe you're not connected to anyone in this thread. And you, a zoom afficionado? Tell us more about the birds and the fish and the mountains.......

Ahh..connections...they matter huh. And we should all submit to your cheap shots just because you know some people here in DPP? Greeeeeaaat attitude dude! Nice. All newbies..be scared of this guy! He has connections!:D

Gil Penaflorida

09-23-2010, 09:47 PM

Take a look at some Mr. Zoom http://www.rangefinderforum.com/photopost/showphoto.php?photo=117658&ppuser=26265

Oh that's really mature Mr. Oldie in Photography-man. Let's see them amazing pictures that you took thru those decades of photography sir. Im so excited to see their qualities and such since you amazingly seem to know what is a good and bad photo and all.. :D

GeraldBARIA

09-23-2010, 09:49 PM

Wow Mr. Baria, you managed to wake up Mr. Jay Javier and other rangefinderausos from their slumber. You keep saying 'bout "target market" that you obviously don't know about.

Need to get more beer and popcorn :Grin: . I can sense a lot of people grinning, laughing, and crying in the background.

You know me...I bring in the traffic!:D So much adsense credits being generated tonight because of me. Im one of DPP's biggest asset.:D

Gil Penaflorida

09-23-2010, 09:49 PM

Hahaha you just told Jay Javier that you're not connecting right, go look at your reply to him.

Ahh..connections...they matter huh. And we should all submit to your cheap shots just because you know some people here in DPP? Greeeeeaaat attitude dude! Nice. All newbies..be scared of this guy! He has connections!:D

bingpena

09-23-2010, 09:52 PM

donntan

09-23-2010, 09:52 PM

OT: everyone is entitled to their own opinions its just that back reading this thread somehow someone wants to show his supremacy, just to boost their ego up the roof. Its a thread for discussions, for learning, and for updates, etc. not to frown upon nor brand anyone names. RESPECT begets RESPECT thats what I live for, hope you too..

peaceout

jayjavier

09-23-2010, 09:53 PM

Ugh. Were not connecting here. I know about shutter lag..and I did not say digicams can compete with dslrs in street photography....I think your far too excited to reply thant to read what i just wrote.

Fine..your a rangefinder aficionado. Maybe you know a lot about film rangefinders. I dont know anything about them, and I don't intend to know. All I know is they look cool. I do know quite a bit about digital cameras though. There have been efforts to put large sensors on small bodies these days and its been great! They have one common fault though..that electronic viewfinder..which is never better than an optical one. I think the hybrid viewfinder of the x100 is its biggest strength. And the knobs. And the build quality. And the design. But the lens...thats awesome too. but its more awesome if it was interchangeable...with a lot more primes..orrrrr zooms..according to preference. The much smaller nex could do it..the similarly sized ep1 can..why not this? Its much bulkier, heavier anyways...WHY NOT?! Now I know its possible to place this..their only reason was to they optimized the lens for the sensor...but come on. We all know that's BS. Many might still buy this though...the aficionados like yourself. Go! No one's stopping you. All I'm saying is they have let out a feature that could have made this perfect in my humble opinion. Cheaper cameras can do it...and I know in version 2 they will to.

Yes we are not connecting.

My perspective is from the user end. Yours is, to say the least, too technical oriented. Enumerating one 'advanced' feature after the other does not mean anything if the given feature has no immediate purpose with the application on hand.

I like rangefinders. I also use DSLRs. I don't force one to take the place of another. Nor would I conclude that one is worse than, or inferior to the other because the former lacks 'features'. Instead I appreciate their merits in the situations where they fare best.

Did I say that I was buying the X100? I like it. Note that I said in an earlier post, 'given the opportunity'. Having one would be great though. Not solely because it looks nice, but I see in it the things I'd like to see (and not see) in a camera. From a functional point of view.

As for lens interchangeability, I could say that I've been there too. You don't change lenses just to span distances or extend spaces- as your ZOOM ORIENTED disposition suggests. Its about perspective- how the lens is able to jive with the photographer's point of view. Many owners of interchangeable lens Leicas often use only one lens for their photography. Its not just about taking photos of everything they see, it's about exploring and observing with the camera in the same manner as the eye does. I have a digital rangefinder, and most of the time, I only have the 35mm on it.

Has it ever crossed your mind that too many OPTIONS/FEATURES can stifle the creative process? Too much to think about, and so many decisions to ponder about.

I read your comments. They're the reason for mine. You don't really know what you're talking about. You may be well versed with your DSLR and all its functions. It is apparent that you rely totally on their functions, and that you'll be totally lost without them. Otherwise, why denounce the simpler machines?

Cheaper? You're perhaps talking to the cheapest RF person around. I have, and still use really inexpensive cameras which have no features (the type you thrive on) at all. Yet they can shoot better in many instances than the most expensive doodad in my arsenal. And how is this? Their utter simplicity trumped sophistication in many of these instances. And I let the brain do the solving instead.

And BTW, I doubt that zooms are in the X100's future. That defeats the purpose of the camera. Why can't you accept that the designers know better than you do?:Dum:

Gil Penaflorida

09-23-2010, 09:57 PM

Some more for you Mr. Zoom....all manual focus 35 mm FL and rangefinder

http://gilpen.smugmug.com/Photography/RD1/DSNY1res/868088906_FbqA6-L.jpg (http://gilpen.smugmug.com/Photography/RD1/11393579_FQxC2#868088906_FbqA6-A-LB)

http://gilpen.smugmug.com/Photography/RD1/HKG2res/868104783_UUbmt-L.jpg (http://gilpen.smugmug.com/Photography/RD1/11393579_FQxC2#868104783_UUbmt-A-LB)

http://gilpen.smugmug.com/Photography/RD1/Armless/874211307_b3LAH-L.jpg (http://gilpen.smugmug.com/Photography/RD1/11393579_FQxC2#874211307_b3LAH-A-LB)

http://gilpen.smugmug.com/Photography/RD1/EPS0980res/977096574_Fzheh-L.jpg (http://gilpen.smugmug.com/Photography/RD1/11393579_FQxC2#977096574_Fzheh-A-LB)

GeraldBARIA

09-23-2010, 09:59 PM

Take a look at some Mr. Zoom http://www.rangefinderforum.com/photopost/showphoto.php?photo=117658&ppuser=26265

Wow..that's pretty amazing. I could'nt have done that. Bravo. Nice shot TFS!

You must get lot's of this huh.

Yeah...friends and "connections" in a forum brings about o torrent of misplaced compliments preventing you from elevating your abilities to where they were when people still did not know you and were still honestly criticizing your work. Improvement stops...when you get satisfied. That's why you never should. That photo is not bad. Its not great also. But I wont go out of my way to insult you, or your work just so It will look like I'm winning an argument over the internet. IT'S NOT WORTH IT. REALTIONSHIP WITH PEOPLE, TREATING EACH OTHER WITH RESPECT. LOVE. It all boils down to that. NOT WINNING ARGUMENTS OVER THE INTERNET.

To illustrate the point. See image.

http://www.monster-munch.com/images/SomeoneIsWrong.jpg

ALWAYS TRY TO BE NICE. NOBODY HERE DESERVES TO BE INSULTED OR DISRESPECTED JUST BECAUSE YOUR OLDER, OR HAVE CONNECTIONS. NOBODY.

jayjavier

09-23-2010, 09:59 PM

Well sorry my english is not up to world standards here,...I did not know being bad in phrasing automatically makes one an idiot, which does not really matter because the point is, you should NOT call anybody an "idiot", or any other derogatory word, anytime because its MEAN. Respect each other. Be as nice as you can be as frequently as you can.

You deny being called authority but your being a grammer police? Ok.

Sorry, but bad grammar and bad logic are two different things.

The former is forgivable and quite acceptable, if what has been said makes sense.

But bad grammar + nonsense is, shall we say, a MAJOR MAJOR way to become an idiot?:Evil:

Gil Penaflorida

09-23-2010, 10:03 PM

Absolutely......

Yes we are not connecting.

My perspective is from the user end. Yours is, to say the least, too technical oriented. Enumerating one 'advanced' feature after the other does not mean anything if the given feature has no immediate purpose with the application on hand.

I like rangefinders. I also use DSLRs. I don't force one to take the place of another. Nor would I conclude that one is worse than, or inferior to the other because the former lacks 'features'. Instead I appreciate their merits in the situations where they fare best.

Did I say that I was buying the X100? I like it. Note that I said in an earlier post, 'given the opportunity'. Having one would be great though. Not solely because it looks nice, but I see in it the things I'd like to see (and not see) in a camera. From a functional point of view.

As for lens interchangeability, I could say that I've been there too. You don't change lenses just to span distances or extend spaces- as your ZOOM ORIENTED disposition suggests. Its about perspective- how the lens is able to jive with the photographer's point of view. Many owners of interchangeable lens Leicas often use only one lens for their photography. Its not just about taking photos of everything they see, it's about exploring and observing with the camera in the same manner as the eye does. I have a digital rangefinder, and most of the time, I only have the 35mm on it.

Has it ever crossed your mind that too many OPTIONS/FEATURES can stifle the creative process? Too much to think about, and so many decisions to ponder about.

I read your comments. They're the reason for mine. You don't really know what you're talking about. You may be well versed with your DSLR and all its functions. It is apparent that you rely totally on their functions, and that you'll be totally lost without them. Otherwise, why denounce the simpler machines?

Cheaper? You're perhaps talking to the cheapest RF person around. I have, and still use really inexpensive cameras which have no features (the type you thrive on) at all. Yet they can shoot better in many instances than the most expensive doodad in my arsenal. And how is this? Their utter simplicity trumped sophistication in many of these instances. And I let the brain do the solving instead.

And BTW, I doubt that zooms are in the X100's future. That defeats the purpose of the camera. Why can't you accept that the designers know better than you do?:Dum:

Gil Penaflorida

09-23-2010, 10:06 PM

You asked that's why I showed you some dude.

Btw, you were not nice when you posted your comments on who wants the X100. Is it difficult to understand that. You opned a can of worms dude. You deserve it.

Wow..that's pretty amazing. I could'nt have done that. Bravo. Nice shot TFS!

You must get lot's of this huh.

Yeah...friends and "connections" in a forum brings about o torrent of misplaced compliments preventing you from elevating your abilities to where they were when people still did not know you and were still honestly criticizing your work. Improvement stops...when you get satisfied. That's why you never should. That photo is not bad. Its not great also. But I wont go out of my way to insult you, or your work just so It will look like I'm winning an argument over the internet. IT'S NOT WORTH IT. REALTIONSHIP WITH PEOPLE, TREATING EACH OTHER WITH RESPECT. LOVE. It all boils down to that. NOT WINNING ARGUMENTS OVER THE INTERNET.

To illustrate the point. See image.

http://www.monster-munch.com/images/SomeoneIsWrong.jpg

ALWAYS TRY TO BE NICE. NOBODY HERE DESERVES TO BE INSULTED OR DISRESPECTED JUST BECAUSE YOUR OLDER, OR HAVE CONNECTIONS. NOBODY.

GeraldBARIA

09-23-2010, 10:10 PM

Sorry, but bad grammar and bad logic are two different things.

The former is forgivable and quite acceptable, if what has been said makes sense.

But bad grammar + nonsense is, shall we say, a MAJOR MAJOR way to become an idiot?:Evil:

But logic is DEBATABLE. That's why that should be the focus in an argument..not attacking the person who said it just so he'd shut up.

Great, another name-calling disrespectful person. And I was just starting to develop respect for you for actually arguing about the topic....up until this last sentence in this post. Is it really that hard to just be nice. Such egos!

Gil Penaflorida

09-23-2010, 10:10 PM

@ Gerald, is that you in the caricature? The X100 is wrong?

GeraldBARIA

09-23-2010, 10:19 PM

@ Gerald, is that you in the caricature?

This is going nowhere. Let's just get back to topic.

AndyRodriguez

09-23-2010, 10:28 PM

ummm...someone please remind me what the topic is again?:D :D :D

jayjavier

09-23-2010, 10:35 PM

But logic is DEBATABLE. That's why that should be the focus in an argument..not attacking the person who said it just so he'd shut up.

Great, another name-calling disrespectful person. And I was just starting to develop respect for you for actually arguing about the topic....up until this last sentence in this post. Is it really that hard to just be nice. Such egos!

No debate if the point is obviously fatally flawed and unfounded.

Personal attack? Did I say that you were an idiot? The last statement is a plain equation whose possible sum was simply stated. Where exactly did I say that you were an idiot in that post?

Egos. Reading what you wrote, you seem to equate the 'attacks' to your faulty arguments as attacks to your person. That's ego.

eduardomuñoz

09-23-2010, 10:36 PM

Great discussion here. :)

My take. Both sides have points to share.

It's just that.. one side didn't have quite an open mind.

Keep it cool everyone!! :)

Oh well, back to the topic/masterpiece.

Drool-worthy indeed!! Classic design!!

GeraldBARIA

09-23-2010, 10:37 PM

Personal attack? Did I say that you were an idiot? The last statement is a plain equation whose possible sum was simply stated. Where exactly did I say that you were an idiot in that post?

It was implied. Same banana.

Mon Corpuz

09-23-2010, 10:38 PM

asking again.... who distributes fuji locally?

@gerald

google "Leica X1"

I believed YKL (Sto. Domingo, QC) distributes Fuji digital and film products in the country.
http://www.yklcolor.com/

I frequent this store way back in college for contact printing. I bought my first digicam Finepix (technically, a bridge camera) here in 2003 from my first 13th month.

Also considering buying this. Reminds me of my Yashica GSN RF which saved me from my photography classes in the fine arts.

Fuji is calling me lately. First, their DSLRs and now this digicam (with a fixed lens).

/m

Reynante Alibuyog

09-23-2010, 10:42 PM

"It is better to be thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt" ;D

Gil Penaflorida

09-23-2010, 10:43 PM

Is this the one.....a stick zoom

http://gilpen.smugmug.com/Photography/gilpen-123/indeximg2/1019202518_oqXjz-L.jpg (http://gilpen.smugmug.com/Photography/gilpen-123/10116710_MqE2i#1019202518_oqXjz-A-LB)

ummm...someone please remind me what the topic is again?:D :D :D

bingpena

09-23-2010, 10:56 PM

I believed YKL (Sto. Domingo, QC) distributes Fuji digital and film products in the country.
http://www.yklcolor.com/

I frequent this store way back in college for contact printing. I bought my first digicam Finepix (technically, a bridge camera) here in 2003 from my first 13th month.

Also considering buying this. Reminds me of my Yashica GSN RF which saved me from my photography classes in the fine arts.

Fuji is calling me lately. First, their DSLRs and now this digicam (with a fixed lens).

/m

perfect… now i know who to bug next year. thanks mon

Mon Corpuz

09-23-2010, 11:05 PM

perfect… now i know who to bug next year. thanks mon

Hi Bing, I've just crossed out LX5 from my versus list, options are now down to two.

/m

cedriccruz

09-24-2010, 12:26 AM

Wow a 23mm f2 aps-c sensor compact camera? equivalent to 35mm sweet!!

nononBANDONG

09-24-2010, 12:29 AM

will definitely buy this one.
great combo with my M8 =)

cedriccruz

09-24-2010, 12:44 AM

@gerald

Sir Im into street photogs too. Im using my 3gs apps sir ano pong gamit nyo apps? thanks!

nononBANDONG

09-24-2010, 12:53 AM

@gerald

Sir Im into street photogs too. Im using my 3gs apps sir ano pong gamit nyo apps? thanks!
:D:D:D

@gerald,
saw your flickr sir, now that's what zoom lens are for. :Grin:
too bad, my leica M8 has prime lens. i can't "foot zoom" to mountains and seas

Sonny Thakur

09-24-2010, 06:38 AM

Looks like the troll invited like-minded friends to the party :)

donntan

09-24-2010, 09:06 AM

:D:D:D hahhaha.. no comment

daniel go

09-24-2010, 09:22 AM

:D:D:D

@gerald,
saw your flickr sir, now that's what zoom lens are for. :Grin:
too bad, my leica M8 has prime lens. i can't "foot zoom" to mountains and seas

Non, So I guess this is a must for real zoom lovers, hehehe :)

http://www.geeky-gadgets.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/iPhone-4-Super-Zoom-Telescope_1.jpg

But for the rest of us, the X100 remains drool worthy :D

carlo_mendoza

09-24-2010, 09:48 AM

This thread should be worthy of a Fuji X100-related discussion... If only the camera can speak for itself with all the "OT" discussions.

Will be watching the thread for X100-related discussion, and not for something else.

Ariel Tresvalles

09-24-2010, 10:22 AM

perfect… now i know who to bug next year. thanks mon

Hi Bing, and to all,

Please wait for my announcment regarding this camera ( X100 ). Hopefully i can have a unit before Christmas to test it.

Keep cool people, and thank you every one!

daniel go

09-24-2010, 10:27 AM

Sir Ariel, We look forward to it :)

chard_villareal

09-24-2010, 10:41 AM

Sir Ariel, We look forward to it :)

Hi Bing, and to all,

Please wait for my announcment regarding this camera ( X100 ). Hopefully i can have a unit before Christmas to test it.

Keep cool people, and thank you every one!

Same here, looking forward to it.. :Grin:

denmark.yuzon

09-24-2010, 12:03 PM

P.S.: Try reading all my previous posts since last year...I know more about new tech than most people here...im pretty aware of all those stuff your asking...its very easy to get informed these days with the net and all you know.

Did I miss school or something? I don't even recall that you can know more about new technology just by reading magazines! knowing that new technology exists is different to knowing about technology..

I did not say the camera is crap?!!! I just did not like that its FIXED LENS....LIKE A DIGICAM....That's all. The camera is beautiful. i might buy one if you loan me some...Mr. old rich man.:)

uhm, you didn't... but you did say fail.. so what do you really mean by the quote below?

Crap! Its FIXED LENS! :( FAIL!

Greeeeaaat....

my camera is a fixed lens! epic fail too!!! :) :D :Grin:

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4011/4671220767_9ae011c4ee_d.jpg

manny villafuerte

09-24-2010, 11:43 PM

I wonder if those who will buy this because it looks cool will know how to use the aperture ring.....

Interesting quip! As a "Hardware Specialist" and buyer for one of the biggest photographic companies here in North America, I/we also have our doubts. While we initially ordered 300 LX5s without batting an eyelash, we are still debating about the upcoming Fuji. Surely there would be buyers of this- mainly those who "just have to have it" And certainly there's enough money floating around, especially in this part of the world for those boutique items. For sure, it's nice to have em.. I myself would like to score one.

manny villafuerte

09-25-2010, 12:12 AM

just observing from the sidelines...

for these particular posts, from what i can gather, chard was simply making an observation that there had been a previous post to the effect of name calling elsewhere in the forum board.

as to how that constitutes inconsistencies is beyond me since he wasn't the one who did the name calling (as far as i can tell in this thread). i'm not trying to side with anyone here...just observing.:)

now back to thread...where did my popcorn go anyway?:D :D :D

Sorry Andy. It would be the height of hypocrisy if we regard his comments as observations and not vitriol to fan the flames of discord and misunderstanding in this thread. There was no mention of cameras, film. sensors, lens, or anything photographic to effect a mature discussion on the topic. They were pure and simple personal attacks on the person. Very unchristian for someone with that sig. I'm sorry but that's also my unbiased observation.

keysinunez

09-25-2010, 12:16 AM

ALWAYS TRY TO BE NICE. NOBODY HERE DESERVES TO BE INSULTED OR DISRESPECTED JUST BECAUSE YOUR OLDER, OR HAVE CONNECTIONS. NOBODY.

You are an idiot and you deserve it.

manny villafuerte

09-25-2010, 12:27 AM

You are an idiot and you deserve it.

YOU JUST TURNED THIS OTHERWISE INTELLIGENT THREAD INTO A HATE THREAD!! i AM NOW EMBARASSED TO CONTINUE. MODS SHOULD SERIOUSLY LOOK INTO THIS. THIS IS JUST PLAIN UNBELIEVABLE IN A CIVILIZED WORLD LIKE OURS. YOU JUST PULLED DOWN MY BELIEF IN HUMANITY MANY NOTCHES DOWN. WHO ARE YOU? WHERE DID YOU COME FROM?

AndyRodriguez

09-25-2010, 12:43 AM

Sorry Andy. It would be the height of hypocrisy if we regard his comments as observations and not vitriol to fan the flames of discord and misunderstanding in this thread. There was no mention of cameras, film. sensors, lens, or anything photographic to effect a mature discussion on the topic. They were pure and simple personal attacks on the person. Very unchristian for someone with that sig. I'm sorry but that's also my unbiased observation.

looks to me like you've simply added another topic for discussion here by making note of his post...and mine. well, it's a forum board. it's a free world. you're entitled to your observation as well and i may or may not share it. so be it, i've said my 2 cents on it. it ends here for me.

manny villafuerte

09-25-2010, 12:56 AM

Stick around Andy. Don't run out of ideas..

AndyRodriguez

09-25-2010, 01:02 AM

Stick around Andy. Don't run out of ideas..

you don't have to worry about me not visiting the thread anymore. it's too entertaining. i just simply know when to stop, sit down, read and eat my popcorn.:Grin:

chard_villareal

09-25-2010, 02:34 AM

Sorry Andy. It would be the height of hypocrisy if we regard his comments as observations and not vitriol to fan the flames of discord and misunderstanding in this thread. There was no mention of cameras, film. sensors, lens, or anything photographic to effect a mature discussion on the topic. They were pure and simple personal attacks on the person. Very unchristian for someone with that sig. I'm sorry but that's also my unbiased observation.

Was I the one who called him an idiot? If you have a problem with me and my sig why not contact La Salle and complain to them. Like what I said on my previous answer, I'm just stating facts here. The guy is a troll, as far as I know telling the truth ain't wrong. I'm sure you've read what the others here posted right? :D:D

manny villafuerte

09-25-2010, 02:51 AM

chard_villareal

09-25-2010, 02:55 AM

May your God bless you Chard-- Peace..

My God is the same as every Roman Catholic. Yeah may God bless you to.. :)

manny villafuerte

09-25-2010, 02:59 AM

Was I the one who called him an idiot? If you have a problem with me and my sig why not contact La Salle and complain to them. Like what I said on my previous answer, I'm just stating facts here. The guy is a troll, as far as I know telling the truth ain't wrong. I'm sure you've read what the others here posted right? :D:D

For sure Chard. I've read what the others have posted and because they have nothing else to contribute because they have absolutely zero knowledge of the topic, they engaged in their children's game called name-calling. But the sad part is they made a big mistake of playing Gerald's own game and they got owned-BIG TIME!! For when they engaged him in silly witticisms, it turned out that Gerald is the wittiest of them all and they .. UNRAVELLED! They say if you can't walk the talk, just shut up and sit in the corner. Too bad. We could have had an interesting discussion about a nice camera.

jedllamas

09-25-2010, 03:56 AM

But the sad part is they made a big mistake of playing Gerald's own game and they got owned-BIG TIME!! For when they engaged him in silly witticisms, it turned out that Gerald is the wittiest of them all and they .. UNRAVELLED!

Got owned? Don't think so.. :Grin:
Everyone still thinks Mr. Zoom's got nothing but dusts on his sensors..

manny villafuerte

09-25-2010, 04:16 AM

Got owned? Don't think so.. :Grin:
Everyone still thinks Mr. Zoom's got nothing but dusts on his sensors..

I'm sorry to say this Jed but if this is the best that you can muster, you really ain't fit to join a mature discussion..

ejbite

09-25-2010, 04:21 AM

I've been reading the posts here. Kinda amusing, but can we please get back to the topic? :D

So, if I'm not mistaken, this camera operates like a rangefinder right? Hmm... Makes me want to go look for a film-based one so I could dive into the experience, hehe. How much is a film-based rangefinder in Hidalgo nowadays? Any suggestions on which one to buy? :)

Ooops, what I was asking was actually off-topic, LOL... =))

Gil Penaflorida

09-25-2010, 07:02 AM

Who got owned?

This is going nowhere. Let's just get back to topic.

jedllamas

09-25-2010, 07:18 AM

I'm sorry to say this Jed but if this is the best that you can muster, you really ain't fit to join a mature discussion..

Manny, I just commented on your "mature" conclusion.

manny villafuerte

09-25-2010, 07:25 AM

let's just talk about the camera..

Gil Penaflorida

09-25-2010, 09:50 AM

At this point, none of us can really talk much about the X100 except from the materials we gather from the net http://www.bjp-online.com/british-journal-of-photography/news/1734305/photokina-fujifilms-press-conference . From what we are seeing, this is bound to be a well accepted camera in the market.

manny villafuerte

09-25-2010, 10:00 AM

I'm meeting with my Fuji Rep on Oct. 3rd and hope to share with you any new information if there are any. My only consolation now is an employee price of maybe in the neighborhood of 500 bucks. I got my nex5 and samsung nx10 for 400 bucks each.

Mon Corpuz

09-25-2010, 11:55 AM

Hi Bing, and to all,

Please wait for my announcment regarding this camera ( X100 ). Hopefully i can have a unit before Christmas to test it.

Keep cool people, and thank you every one!

Ow, so you were the one Jun Barrameda was referring to. Great to hear about this developments.

/m

jayjavier

09-25-2010, 10:50 PM

For sure Chard. I've read what the others have posted and because they have nothing else to contribute because they have absolutely zero knowledge of the topic, they engaged in their children's game called name-calling. But the sad part is they made a big mistake of playing Gerald's own game and they got owned-BIG TIME!! For when they engaged him in silly witticisms, it turned out that Gerald is the wittiest of them all and they .. UNRAVELLED! They say if you can't walk the talk, just shut up and sit in the corner. Too bad. We could have had an interesting discussion about a nice camera.

NOTHING, Mr Villafuerte? Absolutely Nothing?

Please read again.

Gil and I pushed some facts about the plus factors and advantages, as well as the reasons for having and using such a camera as the X-100.

Can you say that you actually had added anything substantial? Except to gloat that you'll be able to get it half price as the other cameras which you had?

You did not even do anything to rectify the near-general impression that this camera is a boutique collectors item. You could have said something about it. A really knowledgable person would have at least explained why such cameras have a place in todays all-automatic zoom-infatuated world. A user-photographer need not have the details- all that one needs to explain the X-100's raison d'etre is there in the pictures. All that the to-be-announced specs will say is what the camera will do inside.

jayjavier

09-26-2010, 12:09 AM

There is a general impression that the Fuji X100 is just going to be another fanboy-boutique expensive toy item. And that those fancy knobs and dials and viewfinders are just going to be that- fancy.

Or that the expensive X-100 can be easily replaced by lower priced non-slr digicams but with more features.

Such of course would be the normal reactions from people who do not know much about cameras of the X-100's ilk. Quite normal since there aren't too many of these cameras around.

However it's quite easy to justify why the X100 and cameras like it should exist. From a users (and not from a pretentious COLLECTOR-KEEPER's) point of view.

1. Why it exists. From its styling, it is quite obvious that it aims to attract a certain segment of the camera market composed of people looking for a digital camera which will do what their film rangefinder cameras did, in the way that they liked it. There are also those who prefer to have simpler equipment which will shoot as fast as the dslr, but without the extra baggage known as excessive features and zoom lenses.

2. Never "drool" on the lens, knobs, dials, or viewfinder just because they're there. The way they appear serves a specific purpose- functionality. Being pretty does help a bit.

3. Dials and rings are easier to work on than buttons or cursors. That's Human Nature. In the 1980s, some camera makers decided to rid their designs of dials and replaced them with multifunction buttons and screens. 30 years laters, the dials are still around. Why? Designers have realised that people work better with dials than buttons.

Many people have cursed those damned cursors as they toggled on the menu for a certain function, while their picture literally flees away as they change f-stops. How easier could it be to be able to change shutter speeds or exposure modes by just turning a dial, instead of looking for the shutter speed menu on screen and using a button to change it? Or how about changing f/stops on the lens ring, where it had always been?

Toggles and compass-style buttons look tight and neat, but they're still slower. At least to one who's not committed himself to the mercy of the camera's computer. The digicams with perfectly concealed controls are best for those who don't really fuss about their fstops or shutter speeds. But not everyone, as one here suggests, wants to totally rely on automatic features.

The likes of the Nex-5 may be fully featured. But personally I think its user-interface is lousy. It is not, and will not be repsonsive or fast enough for me or those with similar shooting proclivities . The buttons will never be as fast as dials.

4. The viewfinder. A compact digicam is almost totally devoid of any optical viewfinder. This imposes a peculiar manner of composing the picture in the camera: camera is held at arm's length. While fine for the average snapshot, such method will never do for certain applications like street or documentary photography. EXTENDING the arms with the camera on the end makes the photographic process more intrusive. It tends to draw attention unto itself, thus defeating the purpose of the unobtrusive camera.

An eyelevel viewfinder requires the camera to be held to the eye, close to the face, and thereby makes it appear to be more a "part" of the photographer, and thus diminish or eliminate any ill effect that an intrusive camera may cause on the shooting situation.

The clear viewfinder (as opposed to the dimmed, on/off focus slr finder) is preferred by many to an electronic image on an lcd screen. They feel that they 'see' better the picture if it's initially shown within cropping lines against the rest of the scene.

5. The Lens. It's a fixed, highly corrected, fast lens. The only advantage of a zoom against it is the ability to span distances or expand spaces. But that's it. In terms of sharpness, speed (f-stop), weight, size, handling speed, a zoom will always be second to a fixed FL lens.

The lens "permanently" stuck on the camera gives a field equivalent to the eye's field of view- 35mm or its equivalent in the other sizes than the standard 35mm negative. This is the reason why it's the best choice when it comes to general photography. The people who are likely to choose the X100 will likely use it in applications where a lot of exploratory photography is done, such as in street photography, documentary photography, or journalism. The small compact lens, as well as the speed it affords, are perfect for such applications.

There is no point in forcing zooming ability or lens interchangeability features on the X-100. The SLR will be better for this. But then again, there are instances when a giant DLSR with an equally humongous bazooka zoom would become a liability than an asset.

6. The cost. Most cameras today, particularly the digicams relatively cost less hands, time, or money to make. Buttons and toggles are easier to put on machines, and they won't require too much calibration. A dial on the other hand is more fussy to make.

The same goes with viewfinders. LCD screens don't need to be calibrated- ie, they don't require precise alignment nor do they need to be synchronised to the lens for focusing. Slap them on the back assembly, and as long as the contacts and screws are right, they're good.

An optical finder with hybrid rangefinder will require more work and more parts than a simple LCD finder. Critical calibration, exact placement, and focus synchronisation are just a few things needed to get such a finder right.

The information above did not need to wait for the official specifications to be published. These may well be what the designers of the camera had in mind when they designed the X100. They also had a certain group of photographers in mind. That certain group who will know and appreciate what they have created.

Reynante Alibuyog

09-26-2010, 02:35 AM

Now that explanation from Jay should I say, is For The WIN! :Grin:
Spot-on fact, some of the reasons why some local Street Photographers, Documentary Photographers and Photo Journalist still uses rangefinder cameras (mostly film).

Byron Villegas

09-26-2010, 02:41 PM

Thanks sir Jay for the nice and thorough explanation. I agree with the points stated, and also like this upcoming cam because of the control knobs and dials, bigger sensor, lens, hybrid viewfinder and (I must admit) the retro looks. Just a minor contradicting personal opinion from me is here:

a peculiar manner of composing the picture in the camera: camera is held at arm's length. While fine for the average snapshot, such method will never do for certain applications like street or documentary photography. EXTENDING the arms with the camera on the end makes the photographic process more intrusive. It tends to draw attention unto itself, thus defeating the purpose of the unobtrusive camera.

An eyelevel viewfinder requires the camera to be held to the eye, close to the face, and thereby makes it appear to be more a "part" of the photographer, and thus diminish or eliminate any ill effect that an intrusive camera may cause on the shooting situation.

i find/feel that holding "the camera to the eye, close to the face"... "makes the photographic process more intrusive" and tends to draw more attention.

But I still love having a viewfinder in the camera I'm using though. I think it's one of the major plus point of the X-100.

Pardon a little OT:
I'm not a pro nor an experienced shooter though, but I still have my Dad's Pentax ME-Super from years ago. This one has a fixed 50mm lens. Would you consider this a "rangefinder", and what's with the term?

aleccorpuz

09-26-2010, 04:50 PM

at the extent of sounding like a total noob, ive never had any experience with a rangefinder (the closest one ive experienced is my girlfriend's ep1) which is why im excited for the x100 as i am looking forward to using a rangefinder because there are times when lugging around a whole dslr system is just too much of a hassle.

jayjavier

09-26-2010, 05:50 PM

Thanks sir Jay for the nice and thorough explanation. I agree with the points stated, and also like this upcoming cam because of the control knobs and dials, bigger sensor, lens, hybrid viewfinder and (I must admit) the retro looks. Just a minor contradicting personal opinion from me is here:

i find/feel that holding "the camera to the eye, close to the face"... "makes the photographic process more intrusive" and tends to draw more attention.

I don't see how holding the camera to the eye and close to the face of the PHOTOGRAPHER is going to be any more intrusive than shoving it out as in the manner required by LCD back panel screens.

When the camera is close to the photographer, it will seem to become a part of the photographer's person himself. Kept close, nothing extending or protruding out, as if the photographer keeps his presence as confined to himself as possible.

How do you see having the camera held close to the eye to be more obtrusive? Am quite curious to hear your point. :)

Pardon a little OT:
I'm not a pro nor an experienced shooter though, but I still have my Dad's Pentax ME-Super from years ago. This one has a fixed 50mm lens. Would you consider this a "rangefinder", and what's with the term?

A Pentax ME super is an SLR. Its lens is not fixed - it can be removed and replaced. In fact, its mount still lives in the current Pentax DSLRs, and the newer Kmount lenses will fit the ME super. The 50mm is a fixed focal length lens, which some people call a "prime".

Rangefinders employ a separate viewing/focusing system. A traditional optical rangefinder measures distance through binocular displacement. Their viewfinders are separate windows which show a view similar to what the lens will get, but not exactly the same. SLRs give wysiwyg viewing and focusing.

bingpena

09-26-2010, 07:11 PM

Having the camera pressed against your face adds stability & can let you take sharper shots at lower shutter speeds. The LCD however is nice for making "awkward" angled shots where you have to be a contortionist to use the VF… plus shooting from the hip is much much easier now with LV… and can oftentimes actually be less obtrusive than the act of raising a camera to ones face.

but with the X100's hybrid system we need not worry about those things :)

bingpena

09-26-2010, 07:23 PM

Hi Bing, and to all,

Please wait for my announcment regarding this camera ( X100 ). Hopefully i can have a unit before Christmas to test it.

Keep cool people, and thank you every one!

Now that is something really really worth looking forward to! There's no doubt this camera has spurred a lot of interest (this thread alone is proof). :Grin:

Thank you Ariel.

Byron Villegas

09-26-2010, 07:32 PM

.… plus shooting from the hip is much much easier now with LV… and can oftentimes actually be less obtrusive than the act of raising a camera to ones face.

Jay, I guess this is similar to what I was trying to imply:
when shooting from the hip, or in my case, when shooting from (closer to) the chest, (with the posture similar to when you are reading a book), I feel that the subject person/s tend to ignore me more than when I raise the cam to my face and put the viewfinder to my eyes.

Byron Villegas

09-26-2010, 07:35 PM

Now that is something really really worth looking forward to! There's no doubt this camera has spurred a lot of interest (this thread alone is proof). :Grin:

Thank you Ariel.

but you just got your GF1 Bing.

and I thought the release of X-100 will be mid of next year still?

Anyway, this is a really nice Xmas present to oneself.

bingpena

09-26-2010, 07:44 PM

but you just got your GF1 Bing.

and I thought the release of X-100 will be mid of next year still?

Anyway, this is a really nice Xmas present to oneself.

ahhh… but like girlfriends, you don't replace them… you add… unless they don't make you happy anymore.

besides, I can't take the X100 underwater.

jayjavier

09-26-2010, 08:04 PM

Jay, I guess this is similar to what I was trying to imply:
when shooting from the hip, or in my case, when shooting from (closer to) the chest, (with the posture similar to when you are reading a book), I feel that the subject person/s tend to ignore me more than when I raise the cam to my face and put the viewfinder to my eyes.

There lies the nuances of candid or documentary photography.

Having the camera on the hip is like setting it on stealth mode. People may ignore your action, but in most cases they may not be even aware of it. Composition can suffer too, since you don't get to see what really goes in the frame.

There is a great difference when people are aware that they are being photographed. Some ignore the camera, some some avoid it. But more react in many ways than one. And such reactions are worth including in the photograph itself. They become part of the juxtapositions.

Street and documentary photographers often make their presence known. They announce their intent with they wield their cameras, and they wait if their presence is accepted. Once this happens, photography can begin, and there is no longer a need to be furtive or stealthy with the camera.

If you look at the best street and documentary photographs, you'll note that almost all of them show that the photographer was part of the scene- not a secret observer, but an organic participant- of the photographed scene itself. People seen in these photos are very aware of the camera and that they're being photographed.

Bottom line is, shooting from the hip is like stealing the picture; shooting at eyelevel is like asking the subjects not only if you can photograph them, but also asking them to talk back.

In the end it may be a question of who really benefits from shooting from the hip- is it to insulate the photographer from the subject, or the subject from the photogapher?

Byron Villegas

09-27-2010, 07:55 AM

Points taken Jay, :)

Having the camera on the hip is like setting it on stealth mode. People may ignore your action, but in most cases they may not be even aware of it. Composition can suffer too, since you don't get to see what really goes in the frame.

So maybe one will get the best of both worlds when shooting from near the chest, and since the X-100 still has the "live view" mode (similar to point-and-shoots, and just like all new digital cameras), composition will not suffer since one can still see what goes in the frame.

Bottom line is, shooting from the hip is like stealing the picture; shooting at eyelevel is like asking the subjects not only if you can photograph them, but also asking them to talk back.

Shooting from the chest (ala' point & shoot), maybe you could say you're "in the middle" (also literally) of shooting from the hip and shooting from the head, :), still asking the subjects if you can photograph them, the subject can still "talk back", but (more importnatly now) can act like he/she doe'snt know that he/she is being photographed.

Again, this is just personal and occassional preference on my part. I agree that the best case is to interact with the subject/s and shoot from the head. And the X-100 with the hybrid viewfinder is perfect for that. I'm just saying that this is not possible in some cases, so occationally, one has to shoot from the chest, or even from the hip, and the big screen of the X-100 (just like a regular point & shoot) will help when you do that.

deanmejos

09-27-2010, 02:06 PM

posting this article:
http://www.canonrumors.com/reviews/the-leica-m9-experience-review/

while it's a leica and it's more of a hands-on experience than a review (found on canonrumors), i think some of the arguments there posted will affirm what sir jay has been mentioning... such as... having all the options isn't always what people want. and there's a market for people who want simpler-to-use tools but still take really good photographs.

quotes:
This camera has just changed the way I make photographs in a positive way.
and...
There is also a whole host of amazing photographers that choose the Leica M9, Not because it’s a Leica, but because it is the best photographic tool for them on the market. If you’ve met photographers, I wouldn’t say the majority of us are financially free. For most Leica photographers, dropping $7000 on a camera body requires sacrificing in other areas of their life.
and...
“It gets outspecced by cameras that cost 1/5 as much”
It does, but this camera isn’t about specs This camera is about a preference in how an image is captured. It is a unique tool for the moment in digital photography.
and...
Are you qualified to talk about a Leica M?
I hope so! I have owned the M9 for 6 weeks and I think it’s the best photographic tool I have ever owned. I flirted with a Canadian made M4-P and an M7. I loved the size of these cameras. However, as much as I enjoy film sometimes, I do not enjoy it all the time. I wanted a digital camera that was small, had no bells and whistles and just made top quality image files.
and...
I will say, with all the bells and whistles being added to DSLR’s. I think it’s important to keep the concept of a still photograph only camera alive. Canon continues to evolve the DSLR which is great. It’s very exciting to see new markets open up.

Even if it’s a niche market, there’s always going to be people that just don’t care about ISO 104,800 performance and video.
and...
You look at the camera and it has a welcoming appearance. There isn’t 20 dials, switches, and buttons everywhere. On the top of the camera there is a shutter speed dial, the shooting mode switch and a shutter button. I never accidentally hit anything. Nothing on the back of the camera is required for making images. I’m RARELY ever pressing anything back there.
more...
The camera is about simplicity and that’s what I need to maintain.
and...
If you check out todays breed of street photographer, Leica still seems to be the go to camera.
and...
I would say the M9 has refocused and will refine my photography. If you love using the tool, the tool is no longer there. It’s corny, but it just becomes an extension of you.
and lastly...
Some of you may pick it up and wonder what all the fuss is about, that’s ok too. I think people need to stop slamming it for what it isn’t and respect it for what it is, even if it’s not for you. I know there are people out there right now that are looking for this camera and just don’t know it. Or they do know it and the financial commitment is just unreasonable. That’s why more companies need to pay attention to this camera and maybe even make one.

the points have been raised already as to why the fuji X100 is the camera that it is... lacking the bells and whistles of other DIGICAMs. but again, the X100 is aimed at a certain target market... sometimes, simplicity goes a long long way. the limitations of these digital RF cameras are not meant to stifle creativity but are in fact aimed at the exact opposite! of course, there are situations where SLRs are better but as i quoted from the M9 review... sometimes, you just want to take pictures and produce high quality images without making life difficult for you.

deanmejos

09-27-2010, 02:12 PM

to call something "FAIL" just because it doesn't have all the bells and whistles of more advanced cameras is the real FAIL.

btw

DSLRs are also DIGICAMs. as the name implies... Digital Camera... a camera that uses a digital sensor instead of film to record images. what's a DSLR? it's a Digital Single Lens Reflex Camera. it's just another form of a digicam :)

michaelsy

09-27-2010, 05:42 PM

This X100 sounds mighty interesting... I'm having a fit of X100 envy... How does a 7D with a 20mm f.28 prime sound... hehehhe sorry for o.t.

manny villafuerte

09-28-2010, 06:33 AM

NOTHING, Mr Villafuerte? Absolutely Nothing?

Please read again.

Gil and I pushed some facts about the plus factors and advantages, as well as the reasons for having and using such a camera as the X-100.

Can you say that you actually had added anything substantial? Except to gloat that you'll be able to get it half price as the other cameras which you had?

You did not even do anything to rectify the near-general impression that this camera is a boutique collectors item. You could have said something about it. A really knowledgable person would have at least explained why such cameras have a place in todays all-automatic zoom-infatuated world. A user-photographer need not have the details- all that one needs to explain the X-100's raison d'etre is there in the pictures. All that the to-be-announced specs will say is what the camera will do inside.

Seen a shrink lately? Don't mean to be mean or rude but in your comments, I honestly sense a seething childhood anger in you that was never addressed. So I am not apologizing where normally I would because it is not my problem if you felt alluded to by my comments. I just feel that you were just lying in wait for the next poster who doesn't share your views so that you can unleash that uncontrollable turmoil in you. While Mr. Penaflorida graciously counseled that we should stop the conjecture in the absence of real concrete information on the camera, you chose to bulldoze me and everything and everyone in your way. But I am not surprised.

Sad to say I share many of your views because I too knelt before the altar of the rangefinder- I'm sure longer that you have been and in a more fanatical fashion. My collection of German rangefinders almost cost me my marriage because in the words of my father in law, the sight of the enormity of it is "sickening". Would I gloat? If show you it, you will barf if you don't s--t first. So don't say I'm gloating if I show you two cameras that I got for a measly 400 dollars each. I worked for them. And when I first showed them in another thread, everyone and especially super moderator David Tong congratulated me and was genuinely happy for me. What a happy and stable person.

BTW, that was a fantastic,detailed and thorough dissertation on the Rangefinder. I learned a lot. Diagrams and formulas would have made it more complete. In the words of Mr. Alibuyog- A WIN! but... only works in the fantastical world of rangefinder worship. In my real live capitalist and democratic world, what works is Bing Pena's "Home Run", David Tong's "Love knobs", Marco Mariano's "Love the Look" , Gil Penaflorida's "gorgeous" and Gerald Baria's "ridiculously sexy" which you readily dismissed as asinine comments from the unlearned. Well I've got news for you. Those are the reactions that count when business analysts, decision makers and buyers want to hear when they feel the pulse of the buying public.In our case, The x100 is still a bigQuestion mark. Contrary to to your position, we are getting thinner and fewer. You probably are the best gauge since you are peddling your ideas here in a digital forum. Rangefinder forums are getting lonelier and lonelier. Be lucky if you find 4 or 5 people talking in any rangefinder forum at any one time. Show me a rangefinder forum that has 30 thousand and more members. Reality is- camera manufacturing or any business for that matter is a numbers game. The more, the merrier.

ps

Befoere anybody accuses me of being a defender for Gerald. Let me assure you that I Don't know the guy, I haven't met the guy and the first time I've ever heard of his name is through this thread. I just think that all the misunderstanding stemmed from him running into the "Rangefinder Brigade". I can tell you stories of how passionate they are with their ideas and beliefs. I am one of them. It's just that this thread caught my attention because when we had our first informal tete-a-tete in our boardroom discussing the camera, one of our buyers uttered the word "FAIL" Congratulations Gerald. Maybe you do really have a point.

Gil Penaflorida

09-28-2010, 03:56 PM

Actually I placed my original post in the film, alternative process, medium and large format forum as this seems to be more relevant to film RF and SLR aficionados. You may notice that the digital RF is also in that forum and some micro 4/3rds as well. It was moved by the moderator and merged with Bing's thread. For obvious reasons, the X100 though not a rangefinder by any means is the closest to what we in that fora wanted. The post of Gerald that started all the trouble quoted the 1st sentence below:

"Why? At $1,000 approximately 50K Php its pretty much the same price range as semi pro dslrs ar sony's nex-5, people who buys these things are either photographers/enthusiasts who's fond of new toys they dont need or travel buffs who just wants to take a picture of everything they see."

This statement leads to the argument that ensued, mostly involving people who are very passionate in photography and has shown great interest in this camera.We are not the people described above. If the statement is not a sweeping one like starting with , in my opinion (IMO) blah blah,blah..... at least it is the posters opinion and not a generalized one. I do however will tend to understand the poster now as he has some difficulty expressing himself properly or not articulate enough to convey the message effectively.

On the issue of rangefinder discussion, you probably have seen this forum already http://www.rangefinderforum.com/ . The total membership is more than 150,000 and is a very active one at that. There is also a local Rangefinder Filipinas Forum where Jay is one of the founder and is also a very active RF forum. There are many more like this one http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/ .

"Sad to say I share many of your views because I too knelt before the altar of the rangefinder- I'm sure longer that you have been and in a more fanatical fashion"

Jay is a very passionate person, we had our differences as well maybe even more severe than this one but I respect Jay for what he is, a living legend in RF photography and probably one of the most knowledgeable and technical person in RF camera and film processing. Jay even has his own concoction of film developer Pa Rodinal (a good one). I'm not sure how long you have been with RF gears and how passionate you are but I'm pretty sure Jay would even be more.

Jefrey Jacob

09-28-2010, 04:44 PM

Gil Penaflorida

09-28-2010, 04:48 PM

Yeah right JefJac wag na kiss make up na lang hehehe .........

jayjavier

09-28-2010, 06:11 PM

Seen a shrink lately? Don't mean to be mean or rude but in your comments, I honestly sense a seething childhood anger in you that was never addressed.

What makes it appear that I have to? Sorry Mr Villafuerte. Not only does it appear that you can't read people right. I have the impression that you can't read right. Period.

Well may I ask if you've looked at the mirror lately? Or perhaps you need to change your glasses. Your ability to see properly (and read properly) appears to be hampered.

You seem to have missed the fact that my comment was but a reaction to what you said, that there was absolutely nothing in the previous comments except childish banter. When you generalise, you blanket everyone. Your generalisation is of course erroneous and had to be rectified.

Yes this is a digital forum. Did I peddle any ideas? I simply explained, from a significantly off-road point of view why the likes of X-100s exist.

Did I dismiss the drooling comments as "asinine"? Don't put words in what I said, Mr Villafuerte. What I said was "normal reactions from people who do not know much about cameras of the X-100's ilk. Quite normal since there aren't too many of these cameras around. ". That was not in any way putting the drooling/turn-on comments or the people who made them.

It was you who called them asinine. It was you who put them down.

Tell me exactly, where the put-down was in my original statement. Isn't it true that those gorgeous and sexy knobs were primarily being appreciated in the wrong way when their functional abilities are being missed? I did not call anyone stupid nor degrade anyone for this sort of perception, or for making comments based on this perception.

My point was not to prosyletise. It was to show a different perspective which this community appears not to be familiar with. I am not really concerned about how many RF people are still around. Or if your gods bother to sell anything to these people anymore.

If there is anyone here who needs to see a shrink, or needs to have at least his eyes examined for not being able to read right, it would be you Mr Villafuerte. You called people asinine. You were the one who was making the OVER reactions. You must have a lot of personal issues. I guess rejecting your application/membership at the Rangefinder Filipinas Forum was a wise move. :Evil:

jayjavier

09-28-2010, 06:15 PM

Yeah right JefJac wag na kiss make up na lang hehehe .........

Plus 1 sa makeup!!!!:Grin:

aleccorpuz

09-28-2010, 08:02 PM

gents please. this is getting really old. either PM each other if you wish to continue your war of words or PM the other members of this forum if the x100 discussion begins.

Gil Penaflorida

09-28-2010, 08:21 PM

This won't stop until the mods close this thread or comments still come in. Just ignore the thread if you don't like the exchanges.

Gil Penaflorida

09-28-2010, 09:05 PM

Some new sightIng
http://www.finepix-x100.com/x100

Gil Penaflorida

09-28-2010, 09:27 PM

It's now in Amazon http://www.amazon.com/Fuji-X100-Digital-Fujinon-2-8-Inch/dp/B0043RS864

manny villafuerte

09-28-2010, 09:37 PM

gents please. this is getting really old. either PM each other if you wish to continue your war of words or PM the other members of this forum if the x100 discussion begins.

Ahhh. just some adults letting off some steam. In time it will go away. But thanks for your levelheadedness. That's probably what some of us need. Thanks again.

manny villafuerte

09-28-2010, 09:50 PM

Some new sightIng
http://www.finepix-x100.com/x100

Thanks for the link Gil. If you allow me, and this is going back to Gerald's concern again, our thinking as sellers is that manufacturers serve technology piecemeal and not on a smorgasbord table. That is to perpetuate business. It's not that they don't have some of the knowledge yet but they tend to hold back so that they will have something new to offer for the next iteration. Fixed lens, non-zoom, 400 thousand or so dot LCDs etc. As a business we are concerned about what we can "attach" to the sale of this item (lenses and other accesories). I know it's good for our bottom line but we also think of our public and as Gerald said, by giving them options.

Why, for example would they put a 400 thousand dot LCD monitor on such an expensive camera? If SAMSUNG can put an AMOLED monitor on their Nx series, why can't Fuji. I know I am speaking from a sellers point of view but i am also a customer and a photographer. That's why they hired me. Thanks again.

bingpena

09-28-2010, 09:54 PM

is it just me or is the AF mode switch & accessory panel out of place

http://enticingthelight.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/Fuji-X100-at-Photokina-01.jpg (http://enticingthelight.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/Fuji-X100-at-Photokina-01.jpg)

http://enticingthelight.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/Fuji-X100-at-Photokina-07.jpg (http://enticingthelight.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/Fuji-X100-at-Photokina-07.jpg)

http://enticingthelight.com/2010/09/19/fujifilm-finepix-x100-where-the-hell-did-this-come-from/

actual size comparisons:

click to enlarge
http://enticingthelight.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/Fuji-X100-size-comparison.jpg (http://enticingthelight.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/Fuji-X100-size-comparison.jpg)

daniel go

09-28-2010, 11:38 PM

Bing, now if they only come out with an all black variant of that. I have a feeling that I have to start coming up with plausible excuses for the purchase of this camera as early as now so that by the time it comes out next year, I'd be ready for my wife haha

aleccorpuz

09-29-2010, 12:45 AM

it does seem odd to put the af switch there however, i really like the one touch switch to raw button. :)

do you guys think that the size would be a concern since its a bit bigger than the ep1 which can hardly be called pocketable even with the 17mm?

Reynante Alibuyog

09-29-2010, 05:17 AM

Dear Fuji YKL,
Will you please sell this camera on credit card terms basis, please? So we can fuel our insatiable hunger to acquire this Hot piece of metal. :D

Mon Corpuz

09-29-2010, 06:30 AM

jedllamas

09-29-2010, 07:47 AM

Daniel, How soon can we have your review?

Haha! I'm betting Day 1. :)

Gil Penaflorida

09-29-2010, 08:08 AM

Plus 2 .......:)

Plus 1 sa makeup!!!!:Grin:

Gil Penaflorida

09-29-2010, 08:14 AM

Hahaha Leica's response to Fuji X100 http://twitpic.com/2swz8t

Gil Penaflorida

09-29-2010, 08:22 AM

The larger sensor (APS-C) and the optical/electronic viewfinder needs some space. This is not a compact small sensor P&S, so I guess we need to have either a large pocket (pants with suspender though :Grin:) or a small bag. A small waist pouch can be of good use. For me, I'll just carry it with a wrist strap as how I do it with my Hexar AF which is nearly same size.

it does seem odd to put the af switch there however, i really like the one touch switch to raw button. :)

do you guys think that the size would be a concern since its a bit bigger than the ep1 which can hardly be called pocketable even with the 17mm?

Gil Penaflorida

09-29-2010, 08:23 AM

Paging Ariel, please let us know if YKL will sell this camera here.

Dear Fuji YKL,
Will you please sell this camera on credit card terms basis, please? So we can fuel our insatiable hunger to acquire this Hot piece of metal. :D

daniel go

09-29-2010, 09:11 AM

Mon, Jed, Gil, pinagtutulungan nyo ako ha ( you guys are ganging up on me ) I bet Bing or Gil or Jed will have one before me (If I do decide to get it ) haha

Man! the haters can say what they want but this one has me really hot and bothered! :D

Gil Penaflorida

09-29-2010, 09:45 AM

Hahaha Daniel I am also salivating.......I actually did sent Amazon a request for email when the product is already available.

Jefrey Jacob

09-29-2010, 09:47 AM

the wife likes it!!!!

daniel go

09-29-2010, 10:07 AM

@Gil, There you go! hahaha

@Jef, Go go go!!!! :)

Jefrey Jacob

09-29-2010, 10:18 AM

@Gil, There you go! hahaha

@Jef, Go go go!!!! :)

:) ipon na! :Angry:

Jon agner

09-29-2010, 11:14 AM

the wife likes it!!!!

Jef,

my wife liked it too.... until she saw the price tag :(

Ariel Tresvalles

09-29-2010, 11:21 AM

Yes, we will sell the camera in the Philippines.

As i've said, please wait for my announcements and hope that we can have an advance unit soon.

Gil Penaflorida

09-29-2010, 11:25 AM

Ok Ariel thanks!

chard_villareal

09-29-2010, 11:35 AM

Yes, we will sell the camera in the Philippines.

As i've said, please wait for my announcements and hope that we can have an advance unit soon.

I'm so excited.. :):)

aleccorpuz

09-29-2010, 11:56 AM

Yes, we will sell the camera in the Philippines.

As i've said, please wait for my announcements and hope that we can have an advance unit soon.

cant wait!:Grin:

aleccorpuz

09-30-2010, 12:45 AM

from digitalrev:

http://www.digitalrev.com/en/fujifilm-finepix-x100-vs-leica-x1-vs-leica-m9-6712-article.html

bingpena

09-30-2010, 12:52 AM

daniel go

09-30-2010, 08:20 AM

Bing, I'll be waiting for your reviews ha hehe

raepedrosa

09-30-2010, 09:32 PM

Yes, we will sell the camera in the Philippines.

As i've said, please wait for my announcements and hope that we can have an advance unit soon.

Hi Ariel. I'd appreciate it if you could include me if you'll be sending PMs to people when you have units of the X100 on stock already. I've set aside a budget for this already, I can also pre-pay if needed.

Ariel Tresvalles

10-01-2010, 04:10 PM

Hi Ariel. I'd appreciate it if you could include me if you'll be sending PMs to people when you have units of the X100 on stock already. I've set aside a budget for this already, I can also pre-pay if needed.

Thank you people for your interest, i will try to send all information regaridng its arrival the soonest i have a news.

But there are things that's out of our hands, sometimes my post/s here in DPP got deleted, and if this won't be deleted, good for everyone.

So better email me at altaroflion@yahoo.com na lang.

Jefrey Jacob

10-03-2010, 09:09 AM

Thank you people for your interest, i will try to send all information regaridng its arrival the soonest i have a news.

But there are things that's out of our hands, sometimes my post/s here in DPP got deleted, and if this won't be deleted, good for everyone.

So better email me at altaroflion@yahoo.com na lang.

oh bad..

anyway, will you bring some MF's here ariel :)

Ariel Tresvalles

10-04-2010, 10:16 AM

oh bad..

anyway, will you bring some MF's here ariel :)

I will try Jefjac, hope we can! Thanks again guys!

xavierkatigbak

10-05-2010, 10:01 PM

i lost track back reading a popcorn thread. i saw this camera this morning and fell in love with it immediately. just to get my facts straight this a rangefinder that doesn't have interchangeable lenses? right? hehe, i suddenly have such an interest in RF and film cameras.

Gil Penaflorida

10-06-2010, 06:41 AM

This is going real crazy http://cgi.ebay.com/TEST-CHART-FUJI-Finepix-X100-DIGITAL-CAMERA-LENS-/200522392476?pt=Lens_Accessories&hash=item2eb010e39c#ht_1285wt_1141

daniel go

10-06-2010, 11:29 AM

xavierkatigbak

10-06-2010, 11:42 AM

No sir, it is a digital camera with an APS-C sized sensor in a range finder/retro style body with a fixed lens :)

@daniel
haha, i meant to say that i loved film and RFs so much that any digital camera that resembles those older film camera catches my attention. But thanks for the FYI, i thought that the X100 can have interchangeable mount for lenses.

this is one camera to look out for! for some reason the fixed lens that came with this seem much more appealing than the Leica X1 that zooms in and out (i think) but performance wise i think it still goes to the X1. :D

xavierkatigbak

10-06-2010, 02:18 PM

sorry, don't mean to pick on daniel too, is there as site i can also view your review? very much interested. also, bing's! if he has one. thanks RF guys! :)

Byron Villegas

10-06-2010, 03:18 PM

xavier, the X100 is not out yet, so Daniel and Bing does'nt have one yet, hence, no review yet... I'm also waiting for their review though. :)

xavierkatigbak

10-06-2010, 09:33 PM

xavier, the X100 is not out yet, so Daniel and Bing does'nt have one yet, hence, no review yet... I'm also waiting for their review though. :)

@byron, have they done review on other items as well? hehe....would love to read them. :)

Byron Villegas

10-07-2010, 11:55 AM

@byron, have they done review on other items as well? hehe....would love to read them. :)

Daniel Go practically "owns" the LX3 and the GF1 threads... careful though, if he reviews a cam, you will be "inclined" to buy that cam.... (and later wonder if maybe you "got a lemon" 'coz no one shoots as well as he does).. :D

daniel go

10-07-2010, 04:14 PM

Byron, nyek!!!!! That is not TRUE!!!! hehehe

Joseph Leh

10-07-2010, 04:48 PM

I was able to test this one fairly recently in photokina.

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs011.ash2/33921_474867633427_696253427_6806953_2040235_n.jpg (http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs011.ash2/33921_474867633427_696253427_6806953_2040235_n.jpg )

Looks to be a real winner...

The people in the Fuji booth says it would be about 1000 euros. (but that's the european price, the price would depend on the regional markets).

Bokeh is superb for the fixed lens.

Nothing is final yet, even the brochure they gave out had a disclaimer that it was for announcement purposes only. They're aiming for a Spring 2011 release.

Byron Villegas

10-07-2010, 05:39 PM

No sir, it is a digital camera with an APS-C sized sensor in a range finder/retro style body with a fixed lens :)

so, it's not impossible, or a "mortal sin" to wish for a zoom lens, or even an interchangeable prime lens? :)

daniel go

10-08-2010, 09:07 AM

Sonny Thakur

10-08-2010, 10:23 AM

I was able to test this one fairly recently in photokina.

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs011.ash2/33921_474867633427_696253427_6806953_2040235_n.jpg

Looks to be a real winner...

The people in the Fuji booth says it would be about 1000 euros. (but that's the european price, the price would depend on the regional markets).

Bokeh is superb for the fixed lens.

Nothing is final yet, even the brochure they gave out had a disclaimer that it was for announcement purposes only. They're aiming for a Spring 2011 release.

How would you know about the bokeh? :P The X100 at Photokina didnt even have a sensor yet... right?

http://www.trustedreviews.com/digital-cameras/news/2010/09/21/Fuifilm-FX100-prototype-at-Photokina/p1

manny villafuerte

10-08-2010, 10:28 AM

There are no existing X100s-only shells or "bricks" as they call them. Fuji North America does not expect them till last part of March, at least.

Sonny Thakur

10-08-2010, 12:26 PM

There are no existing X100s-only shells or "bricks" as they call them. Fuji North America does not expect them till last part of March, at least.

Exactly my point.
I'm not mistaken... am i? :-s

Joseph Leh

10-08-2010, 12:29 PM

I was able to test the two X100's on display. I'm not sure about the sensor if that's included though but they did have the prototype working already.

Btw about the bokeh thing, I was able to test the cam they had on display to take sample images. I read on this link that it didn't even have a sensor ( they didn't tell me that) but you have a live preview of the shot using the new F2 lens. That's what I'm referring to.

Sonny Thakur

10-08-2010, 01:18 PM

Alright, that makes more sense :)

Byron Villegas

10-08-2010, 02:07 PM

Byron, the engineers can come up with different models with different lenses. I think the selling point here is the fixed prime lens. Correct me if I am wrong but a variable zoom lens can't match the sharpness of a prime lens and that is what Fuji is counting on to attract those "discerning" photographers hehehe

Thanks Daniel. That makes sense to me now. I also came across this reader comment from another site:

The one logical argument i’ve seen in favor of a fixed lens is that the viewfinder could then be optimized for the one focal length. No need for zooming frames or multiple framelines. But, as this is presumably going to be marketed to Leica/Bessa/Ikon rangefinder users, framelines aren’t such an issue. And, as this has projected information in the viewfinder, they needn’t be mechanically implemented or switched.

manny villafuerte

10-08-2010, 06:21 PM

Thom stirring another controversy. He ain't too happy about the x100.

http://www.bythom.com/2010%20Nikon%20News.htm

jcinocian

10-22-2010, 08:15 AM

when will this be available here?

aldrichdelacruz

10-22-2010, 10:13 AM

release date is early 2011 :) 1000 usd

jcinocian

10-23-2010, 01:22 PM

release date is early 2011 :) 1000 usd

they're already accepting reservations in the UK 999british pounds!!!:Scared:

Are local dealers accepting reservations for this unit aswell?

Patrick.Te Seng

10-23-2010, 09:45 PM

I was able to test this one fairly recently in photokina.

Looks to be a real winner...

The people in the Fuji booth says it would be about 1000 euros. (but that's the european price, the price would depend on the regional markets).

Bokeh is superb for the fixed lens.

Nothing is final yet, even the brochure they gave out had a disclaimer that it was for announcement purposes only. They're aiming for a Spring 2011 release.

Joseph, thanks for the brief hands-on impressions. Were you able to test out its AF, and was it quick to lock on?

I've been drawn towards the Leica X1 but there were valid concerns about its AF speed. If the X100 has quick AF and great image quality then this camera can't come to the market quickly enough. :)

Joseph Leh

11-12-2010, 03:00 PM

Joseph, thanks for the brief hands-on impressions. Were you able to test out its AF, and was it quick to lock on?

I've been drawn towards the Leica X1 but there were valid concerns about its AF speed. If the X100 has quick AF and great image quality then this camera can't come to the market quickly enough. :)

Pat I was only able to test it a few minutes as there were a lot of people who wanted to test and inquire about the specs. There were two available X100's for testing and each was fixed to focus on a display they specifically put up to test the X100's capabilities.

Anyway here are other shots I took while other people were testing the X100. Just for reference to how compact it is.

(Pat you can check the rest in my FB album of Photokina btw)

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs989.snc4/76216_498471113427_696253427_7235482_806246_n.jpg

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs932.snc4/74524_498471188427_696253427_7235483_3149247_n.jpg

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs969.snc4/76215_498471258427_696253427_7235484_8009585_n.jpg

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs578.ash2/150083_498471378427_696253427_7235486_4892076_n.jp g

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs1136.snc4/149877_498471743427_696253427_7235488_3654172_n.jp g