View Full Version : Head to Head- Ann Francisco vs. Jiggie Alejandrino vs. Noel Puyat
Nick Tuason 06-24-2010, 02:07 PM It's not often when three DPP shooters happened to shoot in the same out of country destination as did our Ann Francisco, Jiggie Alejandrino, and Noel Puyat.
We are posting here one photo each taken at the Western Wall in Jerusalem. If you are new to DPP, in this Head-to-Head, we ask you to vote which image you like better without knowing who took the image.
We also ask that you comment why you chose that image and why you didn't choose the others. The most insightful comments will be published in a future issue of DPP.
Here are the Images:
Photo #1
http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z63/DPP_Gallery/photoone.jpg
Photo #2
http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z63/DPP_Gallery/phototwo.jpg
Photo #3
http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z63/DPP_Gallery/photothree.jpg
(http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z63/DPP_Gallery/Jiggie.jpg)
Derick_Gamboa 06-24-2010, 03:16 PM Getting popcorn and beer!! :Grin::Grin:
RhonDiaz 06-24-2010, 03:24 PM Photo #3 has an interesting subject. Prayers stuffed in the Wall.
benjietiongco 06-24-2010, 03:27 PM Photo 3 is the best here. The others are the usual things that can be seen. Photo 3 goes deep on the walls and presents the prayers as the subject with a praying man at the background.
David Tong 06-24-2010, 03:44 PM I picked the first photo, with reservations.
I like how the main subject in the foreground is so prominent and so filled with raw devotion to his faith, with the Western Wall as a strong background. What I really liked is the mid-point connection of the other worshiper looking at his direction.
However, the photo is cropped to tightly on the right, with an extraneous man entering the frame. The way it's cropped, it starts to feel like an accidental snapshot.
I feel that the repeating shadows caused by angled light source could've been exploited more and the angle of the shot to be more dynamic by shooting just a little lower so that the heads of the praying subjects at the back don't intersect the low wall behind.
Photo 2 is rather bland for me, the processing appears to be trying to salvage a flatly-lit scene. The watch is a big distraction and is positioned at the strongest point of the frame. The kippah kinda blended into the man's hair as well.
Photo 3 is cliché for me. The blurred-important-subject-leading-to-a-sharp-"message" of a scene.
Unfortunately, the area that's sharp wasn't that prominent and it's too static as none of the stuffed prayer notes offer much context (can't be read) nor was there a single note that's noticeably protruding from the seams of the Wall.
It may work better if a crevice with much more stuffed notes was chosen as the main subject of interest or better yet, someone's hand is in the process of inserting a note into the crevice.
The high-noon lighting is not ideal for this scene as well.
Derick_Gamboa 06-24-2010, 03:51 PM You are the "go to" man David! Nose bleed, reading all that you have noticed! You must be very anal about photography!! enjoy reading your POV! :RedEye: More beer, please!
I picked the first photo, with reservations.
I like how the main subject in the foreground is so prominent and so filled with raw devotion to his faith, with the Western Wall as a strong background. What I really liked is the mid-point connection of the other worshiper looking at his direction.
However, the photo is cropped to tightly on the right, with an extraneous man entering the frame. The way it's cropped, it starts to feel like an accidental snapshot.
I feel that the repeating shadows caused by angled light source could've been exploited more and the angle of the shot to be more dynamic by shooting just a little lower so that the heads of the praying subjects at the back don't intersect the low wall behind.
Photo 2 is rather bland for me, the processing appears to be trying to salvage a flatly-lit scene. The watch is a big distraction and is positioned at the strongest point of the frame. The kippah kinda blended into the man's hair as well.
Photo 3 is cliché for me. The blurred-important-subject-leading-to-a-sharp-"message" of a scene.
Unfortunately, the area that's sharp wasn't that prominent and it's too static as none of the stuffed prayer notes offer much context (can't be read) nor was there a single note that's noticeably protruding from the seams of the Wall.
It may work better if a crevice with much more stuffed notes was chosen as the main subject of interest or better yet, someone's hand is in the process of inserting a note into the crevice.
The high-noon lighting is not ideal for this scene as well.
Patrick.Te Seng 06-24-2010, 03:56 PM Photo #1 has two interesting subjects, the man with hands to his head and the man in the middle who's either looking at the camera or the first man in the foreground. The subjects are diminished a bit by the wall, which takes up half the image. The framing of the man in the foreground is also a bit awkward.
Photo #3 has me looking back and forth between the folded prayers pushed into the cracks, what I take to be the main subject, and the religious man at the back setting the mood. The scene is made more busy by the wall's texture, which is seen up close, and the prayers don't stand out much in this case.
Photo #1 and #3 are good photographs about the Western Wall but just have too much going on, in my humble opinion.
I like Photo #2 best because it's very simple and all about the main subject, a man who seems to be praying so hard that his face is pressed into the wall. There are also prayers stuffed into the cracks here, but they're not distracting.
Most of all, Photo #2 made me wonder about things like "Why is he so fervent? Is he praying for a sick loved one? What's in his prayer?", which is something that the other photos didn't do to me.
David Tong 06-24-2010, 03:59 PM @Patrick that's how practically everyone prays at the Wall though. That's why it's also known as the Wailing Wall.
@Derick: being anal is easier if it's someone else's photo as it's devoid of any preconceived emotions or purpose for the viewer :D.
Felix Matusinio 06-24-2010, 04:06 PM for photo #1 Western wall of Jerusalem was clearly emphasized in this photo as a background and the man looking up as a foreground, but I was little bit distracted by the man on the middleground, the one looking straight on the camera. Ganda sana if that man also facing in the wall...
jhim_abucayon 06-24-2010, 04:14 PM Photo#1 showcase good emotions... though like sir david's comment, it was tightly cropped... more to the right could have gave more impact... 2nd photo was quite simple... would have preferred if the photographer have leaned a bit closer to the wall, like on photo#3...
i vote for photo#3, the leading line works best for me, and putting 1 faithful at the end of it makes this composition close to perfection..
Patrick.Te Seng 06-24-2010, 04:21 PM @Patrick that's how practically everyone prays at the Wall though. That's why it's also known as the Wailing Wall.
I know people put their heads to the Wailing Wall, but not everyone has their nose squashed to the Wailing Wall, as can be seen with the religious person in Photo #3, who only has his forehead on it. Photo #1 has praying people who are standing in front of the wall, or at least I think they're praying.
That's why face-in-wall stood out for me among the three pics.
Just saying. :)
David Tong 06-24-2010, 04:23 PM @ Patrick: Fair enough bud :)
Patrick.Te Seng 06-24-2010, 04:31 PM @ Patrick: Fair enough bud :)
Whew! I was already quaking in my boots when you called me out, with the sinking feeling that maybe Derick is entirely justified in bringing his popcorn and beer to watch the proceedings...
I keed! I keed! :D:D:D
Derick_Gamboa 06-24-2010, 04:34 PM Whew! I was already quaking in my boots when you called me out, with the sinking feeling that maybe Derick is entirely justified in bringing his popcorn and beer to watch the proceedings. :D:D:D
I will reserve my opinion till later. I still have a lot of microwave popcorn to go...... hic...... but i like both your insights. I never thought of digging deep enough to analyze it that way.
David Tong 06-24-2010, 04:34 PM Of course not, it's your opinion and appreciation of the images, it wouldn't be fair nor logical to force my interpretation on you. I just stated the way the man was praying is common because one of my staff in Tel Aviv shares her photo albums online and that's just how they usually pray in her pics :)
danpagulayan 06-24-2010, 04:38 PM I chose photo #2.
It is an image of a soul deeply in prayer, compared to the two other photos. It's also the one that exudes the most drama among the three...
My comments on the others...
Photo 1. This guy desperately needs some Aspirin.
Photo 3. If the subject was that robed person, then it's blurred. It was was the prayer paper, I would have wanted to see some inscription (preferably in Hebrew characters), so I won't mistake it for something else that belongs somewhere else.
Good luck!!!!
PS: I added more comments, to accommodate some folks texted me about my comments on the other two.
Derick_Gamboa 06-24-2010, 04:44 PM After reading this, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Wall#Prayer_at_the_Wall , it makes me think of how to respond to this. A deeper understanding of the location, culture will give a perspective to those who have no idea what or where this is.
paolo navarrete 06-24-2010, 04:48 PM #1 makes me think why he's not facing the wall though he seems to be praying. all the others are facing the wall and there's someone looking at him, or the photographer, distracted.
#2 reminds me of that common kindergarten punishment of 'stand up and face the wall' :) but seriously, it doesn't seem interesting and could be easily reproduced with all the people praying there. same goes for #3, so they write prayers on paper and look for a crack to stick it in? its good that the human effect was added even if the person was blurred but still i'd go for #1.
raul_echivarre 06-24-2010, 04:48 PM I choose #1. #2 and #3 are easy compositions and might be a bit of a cliche as well (David explained it pretty well).
#1 has all the elements laid out clearly in a rule of thirds sort of way. a group with their backs on the image. a gentleman looking at the cam. and the last one, wailing. almost neatly sequential and would really work well in b&w.
having said that, there is too much wall for my taste on #1. there's a long visual travel from the top before you reach the bottom where the story is. of course, the photographer may have decided to capture it this way to also emphasize the wall. for me, a square crop might actually reinforce the story in this frame.
Ickhoy De Leon 06-24-2010, 04:50 PM Sorry for the OT:
Cant help but notice that the 3 personalities in this photo-head-on menage-de-trios are all members of the OA6.0... (trying to crank up the juice as the 0A7.0 pitch thread kicks off tom!) :)
Ok back to regular programming :Grin:
Oh shucks my vote.. photo 1.. why? Because aside from the usual mambo-jambo on the technicalities of the shot, photo 1 portrays clearly the message the photo wanted to exude which are:
1. Its a photo of the Western Wall (more popularly known as the "wailing-wall"
2. Captured the emotion and fever of the folks who pray at that site.
Stevenang 06-24-2010, 04:53 PM I vote #3, it captures the whole point of going to the wall and pray.
everybody writes their wishes/prayers into a piece of paper and finds a crack/hole or crevice in the wall where they could put/squeeze it before they start to pray.
Fherdy Tiongson 06-24-2010, 05:00 PM I vote for photo #1 the foreground subject gives distraction with the image but it helps.
Have someone seen the reaction of one jews in the background that is the main concern to me.
It is the one tells the story with the whole image.
ann_francisco 06-24-2010, 05:07 PM Sorry for the OT:
Cant help but notice that the 3 personalities in this photo-head-on menage-de-trios are all members of the OA6.0... (trying to crank up the juice as the 0A7.0 pitch thread kicks off tom!) :)
Which makes this head-to-head fun, because at the end of the day, the three of us will just laugh about it while eating our favorite lechon liempo. :)
Erick_Magpili 06-24-2010, 05:18 PM I like Image #1 - not due to the technicalities on focus, composition and all, but due to the emotion, story it conveys, and simply because with the POV one can tell that this is, indeed, the Western Wall.
What struck me is the irony of the elements on the image. We see these religious men facing the wall - praying, doing it traditionally. While this lone man - the main subject, has no prayer booklet, need not to face nor touch the wall, need not to put folded paper prayers.
As David puts it, raw profession of faith is displayed. He just needs to look up to the sky, as if in direct contact with his Creator.
Pure and raw faith.
It is brilliant timing with the one man looking. An essential connection to complete the story.
Cheers!
jiggie.alejandrino 06-24-2010, 05:18 PM Ann, Noel chickboy time! Hahahaha! Team lead is not invited until he casts his vote! Btw winner treats! Game?
Ickhoy De Leon 06-24-2010, 05:32 PM Ann, Noel chickboy time! Hahahaha! Team lead is not invited until he casts his vote! Btw winner treats! Game?
What about the Team SPONSOR?!:):D:Grin:
ann_francisco 06-24-2010, 05:34 PM Ann, Noel chickboy time! Hahahaha! Team lead is not invited until he casts his vote! Btw winner treats! Game?
Game. :) I'm always ready for a free meal. :D
Jigs, Noel and I were talking, I realized I should have disguised myself as a man, then we'd all be shooting at the same spot. :P
ann_francisco 06-24-2010, 05:35 PM What about the Team SPONSOR?!:):D:Grin:
Team sponsor is not invited until a certain video is posted on facebook. :D:D:D
Ejay Leung 06-24-2010, 05:46 PM This is interesting!
Derick, Do you have some extra popcorn and beer? Haha!:Grin:
danpagulayan 06-24-2010, 05:47 PM BTW, i added to my earlier post, for reasons stated therein.
Only now did I realize that the three photographers in H2H are my fellow OA6 team members. patay!!!! :RedEye::RedEye::RedEye:
Good luck, OA6!
Patrick.Te Seng 06-24-2010, 06:01 PM Only now did I realize that the three photographers in H2H are my fellow OA6 team members. patay!!!! :RedEye::RedEye::RedEye:
Voting hasn't closed yet, so not too late for you to fly to Jerusalem and take similar photos to make this more of an OA6 thing. :D:D:D
OT I know. Sorry. :)
jiggie.alejandrino 06-24-2010, 06:01 PM Team sponsor is not invited until a certain video is posted on facebook. :D:D:D
Why on Facebook? Hahahaha! We can always post it here! Of course team sponsor is invited so with the rest of the team members who cast their vote!
So game, Noel? Winners treats!
ArthurGIMENA 06-24-2010, 07:21 PM #3 gets my vote.
there's a story. more drama. a man praying at the background and prayer letters at the foreground. we have the man praying, the letters and the wall as the subjects.
the drama sets us to think which is better "a personal prayer" or a "material/iconic prayer" ?
composition. no frame space is wasted and DOF was put into good use by highlighting the cracks where the letters are placed. i like the texture and among the 3 these has the least 'snapshot' look.
#1 has too many distractions. the 'expressions' of the people at the background are 'mixed'. the subject faces away from the wall and cropped. a lot of 'unused' spaces on the upper-right side. there is no coherence in the insinuated message.
#2 is just that, a man praying. it could be 'shot' in any wall for that matter. the emotion is bland.
Noel Puyat 06-24-2010, 08:35 PM @Jiggie and Annfran:
Game on Chic-Boy! Winner's treat on the FOOD and BOTTOMLESS Iced Tea! Yummy.
Dave Andrie Orquia 06-24-2010, 09:35 PM for me shot number one is more dramatic,cropping and light angle is not good.but the action of the man looking upwards really caught my eyes. the naturality of the photographer shooting the person is very explicit,DaO
PlipTangonan 06-24-2010, 10:17 PM Like Photo #3. Composition is really nice and by looking into it tells a story..
Jay2Cenon_Tarun 06-24-2010, 10:23 PM Well, am not a PRO but I'll try.. hahaha..
Photo #1 is cropped tightly. It would have been better if the frame was moved a little further to the right. And then blur the background as I got distracted with the man looking at the camera. I pay more attention to him rather than the guy at the front.
Photo #2 is plain as others have said. It's the PP that makes it look good.
Photo #3 gets my vote.
Although for me it would have been better if the guy praying was in focus rather than the paper prayers. It goes to say that sometimes shallow DOF will not make it.
Hope it helps..
Mannix Moya 06-24-2010, 10:33 PM i'm no expert but i like photo 1, most dramatic imho. the word "prayer" comes to mind when i saw it. i couldn't make out what the what the other two photos are trying to communicate.
Derick_Gamboa 06-24-2010, 10:50 PM This will be difficult since i know all three OA 6.0 members, and all excellent skilled photographers; making a call would mean i have to put two down, here goes.
The three traveled with almost a week, to a week and a half difference on practically on the same itinerary, period and length of time. The climate, amount of people (vacation period) would not have given either one a distinct advantage over another. None traveled alone. All were in a group, which means they would have taken the photo while pre-occupied with the dynamics that come with tourist travel; "quickly, we're moving, we're moving" with lots of people to walking in and out of your frame.
photo#1 - has the most story to tell, what it was, where it was, some level of orientation, the culture and the atmosphere you will encounter when you walk into the place. I believe that a photo with the most information to give, scores high in my books. The elements of photography, sharp/focused/framed subjects and the rule elements being present is a GIVEN. But this should have been in monochrome. the vastness of the white wall could have been downplayed in BW.
photo#2 - has the most emotion of the three. if you will see the deep expression of the mans face into the wall, tells you of the fervent prayer - associated with pain, loneliness or gratitude. Elements of the watch, the shirt throws off the "essence" of the place and time. The prayer paper inserts are not recognizable compared to pic 3#. And these are important elements of telling the story.
photo#3 - this is the most dramatic of the three in terms of photographic technique. it conveys all elements of the place; prayer, the wall, the prayer request, local culture by way of outfit. elements of a well composed photograph; leading lines, the purposely blurred out background, the texture of the wall, and what caught my fancy was the presence of the most zone values in a BW image. I'm a sucker for monos.
That being said, I would have selected #1 had it been mono; i agree with DavidT #2 tried to get away with PP which does not score high with me. So I select image#3.
Jon agner 06-24-2010, 10:55 PM I voted for image No. 1, as it coveyed what the subject is all about. Images 2 and 3, for me, did not create any impact at all.
Aly_Reyes 06-24-2010, 11:12 PM Which makes this head-to-head fun, because at the end of the day, the three of us will just laugh about it while eating our favorite lechon liempo. :)
Hey, wetaminit! You started eating Lechon Liempo without me?!:Thinking::Sick:
Aly_Reyes 06-24-2010, 11:19 PM @Jiggie and Annfran:
Game on Chic-Boy! Winner's treat on the FOOD and BOTTOMLESS Iced Tea! Yummy.
Hey, Chickboy lunch mates, I voted for the winner, ergo, I'm joining the winner's treat!!! Hey, Derick, I hear the Lechon Liempo calling us!!!! :Grin::Dum::D
Ansbert B. Bidol 06-24-2010, 11:43 PM 1 tall coffee please!, hmmm which photo to vote kaya :D
@Anne, Jiggie, Noel
Well done :)
@Sir Aly, Sir Derick
Make some extra Lechon Liempo for us :D
Derick_Gamboa 06-25-2010, 06:37 AM Hey, Chickboy lunch mates, I voted for the winner, ergo, I'm joining the winner's treat!!! Hey, Derick, I hear the Lechon Liempo calling us!!!! :Grin::Dum::D
I did not hear that Liempo calling. But I surely heard you, and that is good enough!!!!:D:D:D
Derick_Gamboa 06-25-2010, 06:39 AM If this is true ----> This poll will close on 06-29-2010 at 02:08 PM
and this is also true ------> June 30 HOLIDAY
when is liempo DAY??? :)
ps. not Thursday please, i have sched meetings - Can we do "Babuyan" on FRIDAY????
Aly_Reyes 06-25-2010, 06:49 AM If this is true ----> This poll will close on 06-29-2010 at 02:08 PM
and this is also true ------> June 30 HOLIDAY
when is liempo DAY??? :)
ps. not Thursday please, i have sched meetings - Can we do "Babuyan" on FRIDAY????
Okay!!! July 2 is our designated Baboy day!!! Good luck to the participants and advance thank you to the winner!! May the "pork" be with you!!! :RedEye::Grin:
See you at ChickBoy at 11am!!
Nigel Ian Laxamana 06-25-2010, 08:06 AM Photo # 2 is my choice. It has the deepest emotion among the two others. It clearly shows how sincere, how fervent, how pure his prayer is, and how he shout his heart out to this sacred wall. The lighting might be flat, some distractions are seen, but the drama, and its story makes this photo sacred - just like the prayers in this place.
timramos 06-25-2010, 09:53 AM I pick photo #2. I think the expression of faith is what all pictures want to show, and the second photo is what I believe shows that the best. You don't have to overthink - that's faith, plain and simple. And that IS faith - you see it, you can't really explain it, but you know what it is. Photo #2 is a perfect example of that.
johnluthergarcia 06-25-2010, 10:53 AM It's a bit hard to choose between the three...
#1 The most interesting picture of the set. Lot of things can be improved though: but primarily I would have opted for a landscape shot using a lower vantage point since you don't need to include the full height of the wall in the frame. It would also help to resolve the awkward positioning of the man int he bottom corner of the frame. Sayang, the lighting was really good on this one compared to the two other photos.
#2 A cliche pose... the vignette added and the focus on the man's shoulder doesn't help either too.
#3 I would have chosen instantly this if not for the big shadow near the middle of the picture. I didn't even notice the stuffed prayers in the walls had not someone mentioned it. The lighting is just too harsh as well.
GeraldBARIA 06-25-2010, 12:06 PM Hmmmmm...these all look like snappies to me.
A hessitant vote to Photo 1, coz the its the least weak of the three. The crop is too tight...bad decision in post..or not very well framed before hitting the shutter.
Photo 2: Bad processing...too much vignette, flat light.
Photo 3: Typical shallow DOF shot...nothing much in there than the nice blur.
Derick_Gamboa 06-25-2010, 12:15 PM Okay!!! July 2 is our designated Baboy day!!! Good luck to the participants and advance thank you to the winner!! May the "pork" be with you!!! :RedEye::Grin:
See you at ChickBoy at 11am!!
Ann, Jiggie, Noel - since 2pm will be the announcement, a 5-thirsty pm on Tuesday early evening was also suggested since there's no work on Wednesday!!!
Aly - early PIGout schedule should not be an issue for you, right? :) :Grin::Grin:
remabeza 06-25-2010, 12:19 PM 1st
Photo 1. This photo is sensational and sensitive in nature due to the involvement of one individual(Muslim believer) against the group of Jewish sect on a wailing wall. The photographer who took this has a sense of knowledge on how this two believer interact which is very ironic due to the fact that only one should be there. IMHO, this photograph doesn't need the technicalities of an acceptable image but rather the deep story behind it.
2nd
Photo 3. Is another interesting image for me. For the story, it's the wailing wall and the Jews value that place more than any other. At the end of that image is a priest praying, it sends a message to the whole world that everyone are welcome to pray in that sacred place.
Momon Baula 06-25-2010, 01:22 PM I made a choice:
Photo #1: A busy photo with plenty of stories to tell..reminds me of an old Stieglitz photograph.
Aly_Reyes 06-25-2010, 03:54 PM Ann, Jiggie, Noel - since 2pm will be the announcement, a 5-thirsty pm on Tuesday early evening was also suggested since there's no work on Wednesday!!!
Aly - early PIGout schedule should not be an issue for you, right? :) :Grin::Grin:
Not on a tuesday night!!! That's Badminton Club nights at Palms!!! (sorry for the OT folks!!)
Aly_Reyes 06-25-2010, 03:59 PM My vote is for photo #1 for the story it evokes and for that National Geographic feel (A photojournalistic picture with no apparent post processing).
Derick_Gamboa 06-25-2010, 07:58 PM Not on a tuesday night!!! That's Badminton Club nights at Palms!!! (sorry for the OT folks!!)
Let's wait for the results, and the replies of the rest. The gull to mention badminton under the light of the recent massacre. :D:D:D From your usual shameless plug, to most embarrassing moments!!:RedEye::BlackEye::Shock:
jiggie.alejandrino 06-25-2010, 09:08 PM Let's wait for the results, and the replies of the rest. The gull to mention badminton under the light of the recent massacre. :D:D:D From your usual shameless plug, to most embarrassing moments!!:RedEye::BlackEye::Shock:
+1 on this! Hahaha, that video should be posted here in DPP. Let me speak for the other 2. Its on! Winner buys food and drinks on tues night! Of course Mr. T if your available your welcome to join the festivities so with Mrs. T :)
lemarclimosnero 06-25-2010, 10:33 PM im going for #1.
for me, it gives the complete message among the 3 photos. first, the expression of faith, prayer and petition on the face of the man on the right. then the other faithful on the background, showing how a vast majority of people look up to a higher power. finally, the massive wall is shown, despite the tight frame, depicting a great, big God who hears all the prayers of every individual.
Ansbert B. Bidol 06-25-2010, 10:35 PM Ok, here's my vote :D
I vote for Photo#1
Why? secret :P, Honestly it is hard to shoot a moving subject with that expression... although you may say that the one person is so annoying but it also tells a story, he maybe looking at the subject or to the another person also... and this photo tells a lot of story...for me good choice of including the people, surroundings like the wall. Just a note cropping/framing can be improve.
Photo#2 - good capture of emotion and the technique is perfect!
Photo#3 - contrast, technicality and the cultural relevance perfect!
Again you guys rock! Sana mainvite sa Lechon Liempo Party :D
Winston Baltasar 06-25-2010, 11:33 PM My vote is for photo #1 for the story it evokes and for that National Geographic feel (A photojournalistic picture with no apparent post processing).
After a lot of thought... ditto.
Julius Caezar Malicse 06-26-2010, 12:13 AM For me its photo #1. I guess I was just drawn by the single person with his head facing the sky as if exalting with joy probably due to an answered prayer. On his background we're other worshipers facing the wall still in prayer with their heads bowed down. Its the picture of opposites that probably made me choose this one. But then there is also the worshiper facing the camera, maybe intrigued by this persons exaltation or wondering when will his prayers be answered or maybe plainly looking at the foreigner talking a snap at them.
Derick_Gamboa 06-26-2010, 12:27 PM After 73 votes, 1 & 3 even @ 42.47%??? Hmmmmm............... :)
lino almuenda 06-26-2010, 01:29 PM shheeeesssh... sorry to caused the tie... hehe. here's my reasons in why choosing photo #3...
upon seeing the 3 photos, the 3rd stand out to me... it's clear that the intention of the photographer was to show the paper prayer request that is stuck in the wall, and he also show in the background a man praying against the wall...
photo #1 doesn't seem to convey at once that the man is praying on a wall, because there's no wall in front of him that we can see. it just seems to me he's just covering his ears because of a loud noise or something. and i'm distracted by the guy behind the man that's looking at the camera...
photo #2 is a straight forward approach in capturing the scene or the thing you want to convey... just plain it...
this is where photo #3 stand out for me, the photographer put some artistic way to convey the message to the people who will look at this photo. he made sure to put into subject the thing that could be taken for granted if not in focus, but he also made sure that the action of the man in the background is very evident despite the intended blur.
joshcruz 06-26-2010, 01:53 PM Photo no. 1 is the clear winner for me. It conveys the characteristic faith of the place, as acted out in the photo and reinforced by the surrounding realm. The two other photos could have been taken in Intramuros or any other wall somewhere in the world, and no one would know the difference.
Derick_Gamboa 06-26-2010, 01:58 PM Photo no. 1 is the clear winner for me. It conveys the characteristic faith of the place, as acted out in the photo and reinforced by the surrounding realm. The two other photos could have been taken in Intramuros or any other wall somewhere in the world, and no one would know the difference.
Wooooooo....................:Dum:
romzLopez 06-26-2010, 07:54 PM not a pro but heres my opinion..
i choose photo number 3.. it really shows the message of the wall placing prayers via those creeks and the man praying at the back.. and i really liked the sharp to blur effect even though most of the pro's says its a cliche, it still works for me :)
photo #1 shows a lot of distraction especially the man looking at front
photo #2 shows deep emotion but i think its too much processed
benjamincanasa 06-26-2010, 10:51 PM i vote for #1... it has more drama compared to the other 2 pics... #3 is a close second but the lighting is kinda harsh for my taste...
Ansbert B. Bidol 06-27-2010, 03:33 PM The head to head is going hot :D
Jiggie, Ann and Noel,
Don't drink too much mga bro ^_^
ThaddyBoniquit 06-27-2010, 05:28 PM whoa! its a close fight! i voted for #1. i like the "snapshot" feel of the tight frame than bokeh shot of a praying man.
Efraim Evidor 06-27-2010, 07:04 PM Photo number 2..just perpect for a travel write up,it shows the intensity what the wall is all about,why people go there. while photo number 1 goes in three directions,the wall with the grass,the man in the center and the man in the foreground praying towards the sky..photo number 3:) also too busy to look at,the wall itself,the papers and the man should be a bit sharper.
arielreyes 06-27-2010, 07:30 PM Newbie here, I choose photo number 3 because its simple and the message it want to convey is very very clear.
raytarol 06-27-2010, 08:41 PM I voted for #3 as it has drama and it is telling a story.
ferdinandbasilio 06-27-2010, 09:07 PM In my personal interpretation, #2 message is technology does not change beliefs.
Darwin Dumaraos 06-27-2010, 09:40 PM photo#1
shows how unorthodox way prayer gets noticed
by orhtodox folks....or, it could be the other way around...
shows a lot of emotion than the other two...
not well composed compared to the other two...
but shows better picture...
PJEnriquez 06-27-2010, 09:52 PM First of all congrats to all the Photographers for getting their and capturing great shots. Unfortunately I have to go with Photo #1 based purely on the fact that it tells me more about the place the photo was taken, which to me is really the main objective of Travel Photography. Photo #2 I find too cropped and if not for the title one would wonder where it was taken. As for Photo #3, its a pretty common composition/persepctive and the silhouette is not clear enough to identify the location with the wall in Jerusalem.
Derick_Gamboa 06-28-2010, 10:59 AM +1 on this! Hahaha, that video should be posted here in DPP. Let me speak for the other 2. Its on! Winner buys food and drinks on tues night! Of course Mr. T if your available your welcome to join the festivities so with Mrs. T :)
Noel, Ann - Tuesday night PIGout?:Grin:
Lester.Ople 06-28-2010, 12:04 PM i like photo#1 - photojournalist ang dating. it seems like something a political commentator from Al Jazeera or Fox News would put on a blog post regarding the Holy Land.
photos 2 and 3 are good, pero too 'artsy' for my taste. the focus is the subject- for 2, the guy praying, and for 3 the prayers stuck in recesses in the wall. seems like one can replicate these shots anywhere there's a wall of similar materials and build.
#1 has a little bit of everything- the wall itself, the guy at the foreground praying, and then the group in front of the wall. plus a really good view of the bushes growing from the wall. sigurado kang sa Wailing Wall ang kuha.
joelhgarcia 06-28-2010, 12:23 PM IMHO, i like images that tell a lot of stories. I like photo # 3, for the usual Subject and Blur elements, but to others who dont know the story behind those papers inserted between the rocks might dont get it right away, David share an example that this image might tell more clearer story if someone in the act of putting the wish/prayer papers between the rocks. But we should respect the photographer instinct why he or she took this image.
2nd image, is more direct approach, The elements to tell a story are evident like showing the cracks, the inserted papers and the worshipper, but like i said in the 3rd image if the viewer dont have an idea about this tradition they might not get it, the inserted papers in the wall is not much noticeable as a supporting element to the main subject which is the worshipper, maybe a -1stop exposure could fix this also a variation to get the right angle will make this image more powerful to convey the story of the image.
Lastly the 1st image, i got hooked with expression of the main subject, then my eyes goes to the rabbi man who look at the camera or to the main subject maybe saying "stop your mourning and get back in here!" story line. = ) Also my eyes can roam around the frame, seeing how tall the wall is, workshippers are dressed up with those good looking hats. Every elements in a frame should compliment/support the main subject to convey a certain story and i think this photo captured it.
Although i wanted to see more powerful angle to capture the story well, i vote for Photo No.1 coz it makes me stop for awhile and think.
http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z63/DPP_Gallery/photoone.jpg
Congrats to the 3 Photographers!
-Joel H. Garcia
Bean Miranda 06-28-2010, 12:29 PM Photo #1. Because it is a new concept for me. There are a lot of common photos that look very much like photos 2 and 3. Contextually, photos 2 and 3 do not show much of the wall which is the primary subject of the contest and they don't show much people; and if one is not familiar with Jerusalem's Western Wall, one might think that photos 2 and 3 were shot on any look-alike-wall. If emotion or mood of the secondary subject (the men) is concerned, I believe photo 1 exudes the most of it. Technically, photo 1 depth of field play is right on home. Had the photographer chose to blur the background, the resulting obscured Western wall wouldn't have made much sense as far as the contest is concerned.
Cheers!
jamesdulay 06-28-2010, 01:03 PM I voted for photo#1 because this tells a story more than #2 and #3. I like how photo#1 showed a complete scenario showing the (subject) people, place, and event.
jiggie.alejandrino 06-28-2010, 05:52 PM Noel, Ann - Tuesday night PIGout?:Grin:
DG, ITS A GO! Tom night pigout time!
ann_francisco 06-28-2010, 05:54 PM DG, ITS A GO! Tom night pigout time!
No no no.. I'm super booked this week! :(
jiggie.alejandrino 06-28-2010, 05:55 PM No no no.. I'm super booked this week! :(
WHAT?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!
Derick_Gamboa 06-28-2010, 05:56 PM DG, ITS A GO! Tom night pigout time!
"Talo, Panalo Chickboy kayo!!" - Translation: you are invited to Chickboy Tomorrow!! :Grin::Grin::Grin:
Derick_Gamboa 06-28-2010, 05:57 PM No no no.. I'm super booked this week! :(
Jiggie, we are not worth it i guess.......... :(:(:(:(:( but if they have gatherings, out of town, singles activities....... we understand.... :(
ann_francisco 06-28-2010, 05:58 PM Jiggie, we are not worth it i guess.......... :(:(:(:(:(
You guys are so.. madrama. :P I'm only free for lunch tomorrow. :P
Mark Quisquirin 06-28-2010, 05:59 PM i Voted for # 3. it shows the whole picture (Jews Praying Ritual). it tells a story and it has an impact for me! :)
Derick_Gamboa 06-28-2010, 06:00 PM You guys are so.. madrama. :P I'm only free for lunch tomorrow. :P
We are not really worth it. :( Been posted here for a long time, and she's too busy for us COMMONERS. :(
jiggie.alejandrino 06-28-2010, 06:02 PM We are not really worth it. :( Been posted here for a long time, and she's too busy for us COMMONERS. :(
What can you do... have you ever done a feature for an international travel magazine DG? if you haven't then you are really not worthy!
Derick_Gamboa 06-28-2010, 06:07 PM What can you do... have you ever done a feature for an international travel magazine DG? if you haven't then you are really not worthy!
Well, "iba na ang sikat!!" - Translation: Well, " A Lonely Planet only for some of US!! " :Grin::Grin::Grin:
jiggie.alejandrino 06-28-2010, 06:19 PM Well, "iba na ang sikat!!" - Translation: Well, " A Lonely Planet only for some of US!! " :Grin::Grin::Grin:
Hey why dont we do the free dinner during the party on the 3rd?
Derick_Gamboa 06-28-2010, 07:28 PM Hey why dont we do the free dinner during the party on the 3rd?
You sound so innocent like you were not there last year.......... :RedEye::Scared::Shock: by dinner time you'd be so wasted, you won't eat!!!:D:D:D
danpagulayan 06-28-2010, 07:30 PM Hey why dont we do the free dinner during the party on the 3rd?
I can make it on Tuesday (will likely be late), if you won't mind.
:)
Noel Puyat 06-28-2010, 08:05 PM I am good for tomorrow evening.
Besides, there is no branch of Chic-Boy at the Fort, so it would disrupt the festivities and make logistics much harder.
So, are we a go?
jiggie.alejandrino 06-28-2010, 08:14 PM I am good for tomorrow evening.
Besides, there is no branch of Chic-Boy at the Fort, so it would disrupt the festivities and make logistics much harder.
So, are we a go?
Am game! So who else is going?
Noel Puyat 06-28-2010, 08:15 PM Am game! So who else is going?
Well Dan and DG have confirmed previously. I think Ansbert as well.
danpagulayan 06-28-2010, 08:20 PM Am game! So who else is going?
http://thumb1.shutterstock.com.edgesuite.net/display_pic_with_logo/62952/62952,1211549265,2/stock-vector-seven-people-in-profile-with-hands-raised-with-space-for-text-12933328.jpg
hehehehehehe
Derick_Gamboa 06-28-2010, 09:09 PM Well Dan and DG have confirmed previously. I think Ansbert as well.
Dan, Derick, Noel, Ansbert, Jiggie :Grin::Grin:
Aly - bedminton daw :RedEye::RedEye:
Ann - I'm too busy for you guys :Thinking::Thinking:
who else??? :)
But, but, if Ann wins, then who buys dinner then? :BlackEye::BlackEye:
Aly_Reyes 06-28-2010, 09:10 PM Am game! So who else is going?
Sorry guys:(, I have a date with my wife:RedEye::Scared:!!! I'm okay though if its lunch:Shock:!!!
Aly_Reyes 06-28-2010, 09:11 PM Dan, Derick, Noel, Ansbert, Jiggie :Grin::Grin:
Aly - bedminton daw :RedEye::RedEye:
Ann - I'm too busy for you guys :Thinking::Thinking:
But, but, if Ann wins, then who buys dinner then? :BlackEye::BlackEye:
Derick, I will be absent in Badminton as well. (Sabi ng commander, Movie night daw bukas!):Scared:
Derick_Gamboa 06-28-2010, 09:23 PM Derick, I will be absent in Badminton as well. (Sabi ng commander, Movie night daw bukas!):Scared:
Last full show@ ATC and Filinvest is 10:30pm :Grin::Grin::Grin::Grin: dinner over by that time!!
Aly_Reyes 06-28-2010, 09:28 PM Last full show@ ATC and Filinvest is 10:30pm :Grin::Grin::Grin::Grin: dinner over by that time!!
That's way past my bedtime!!!:Sick:
Noel Puyat 06-28-2010, 10:04 PM That's way past my bedtime!!!:Sick:
LFS at Rockwell then...
Princess Jarlyn Young 06-28-2010, 10:25 PM I picked the first photo, with reservations.
I like how the main subject in the foreground is so prominent and so filled with raw devotion to his faith, with the Western Wall as a strong background. What I really liked is the mid-point connection of the other worshiper looking at his direction.
However, the photo is cropped to tightly on the right, with an extraneous man entering the frame. The way it's cropped, it starts to feel like an accidental snapshot.
I feel that the repeating shadows caused by angled light source could've been exploited more and the angle of the shot to be more dynamic by shooting just a little lower so that the heads of the praying subjects at the back don't intersect the low wall behind.
Photo 2 is rather bland for me, the processing appears to be trying to salvage a flatly-lit scene. The watch is a big distraction and is positioned at the strongest point of the frame. The kippah kinda blended into the man's hair as well.
Photo 3 is cliché for me. The blurred-important-subject-leading-to-a-sharp-"message" of a scene.
Unfortunately, the area that's sharp wasn't that prominent and it's too static as none of the stuffed prayer notes offer much context (can't be read) nor was there a single note that's noticeably protruding from the seams of the Wall.
It may work better if a crevice with much more stuffed notes was chosen as the main subject of interest or better yet, someone's hand is in the process of inserting a note into the crevice.
The high-noon lighting is not ideal for this scene as well.
I totally agree with this.. if it wasn't tightly cropped.. i think this would be the best photo amongst the 3.
the other guy looking either at the photographer or the devotee added an interesting element to the photo.
the other 2 photos is quite ordinary.. a scene where you usually see in a very religious place.
Derick_Gamboa 06-29-2010, 06:58 AM What about lunch today to accommodate Aly and Ann? Just to show that we have more to give than they could. :Grin:
Noel Jiggie Dan Ansbert???
Others?
danpagulayan 06-29-2010, 07:29 AM What about lunch today to accommodate Aly and Ann? Just to show that we have more to give than they could. :Grin:
Noel Jiggie Dan Ansbert???
Others?
Ayayayay! I have a meeting in QC that starts at 1PM. But, please go ahead, if it is the collective pleasure of the group.
Bon apetit!:)
jiggie.alejandrino 06-29-2010, 08:03 AM Stupid me! I thought what I had to do today was at 6am! Only to find out it was at 6pm! I can't na tonight!!!!!
Cristina Trinidad 06-29-2010, 08:03 AM I am only free for dinner tonight...
jiggie.alejandrino 06-29-2010, 08:04 AM What about lunch today at Chic-Boy for Ann and Aly and dinner for the others tonight - also at Chic-Boy... I'll have Lechon Manok for lunch, then lechon cebu for dinner. :P
Better! See you guys there at around 1 if it's pushing through
Noel Puyat 06-29-2010, 08:06 AM What about lunch today at Chic-Boy for Ann, Jiggie and Aly and dinner for the others tonight - also at Chic-Boy... I'll have Lechon Manok for lunch, then lechon cebu for dinner. :P
jiggie.alejandrino 06-29-2010, 08:11 AM What about lunch today at Chic-Boy for Ann, Jiggie and Aly and dinner for the others tonight - also at Chic-Boy... I'll have Lechon Manok for lunch, then lechon cebu for dinner. :P
Noel why don't you take chichi tonight to san Juan, food should be good! I have some extra passes, have a press pass for you
Noel Puyat 06-29-2010, 09:14 AM Noel why don't you take chichi tonight to san Juan, food should be good! I have some extra passes, have a press pass for you
@Jiggie: It seems that only Dan (and maybe Ansbert) cannot make it for lunch. Could you text/call the rest to confirm the lunch? My phone is missing.
We can just meet with D & A at a future date.
Thanks.
Derick_Gamboa 06-29-2010, 03:14 PM Nick, where is the management or contest resolution?? :)
Nick Tuason 06-29-2010, 03:14 PM Can either Noel, Jiggie, or Ann get me the high resolution originals please? We need them for the magazine ASAP. Thanks.
jiggie.alejandrino 06-29-2010, 03:29 PM Can either Noel, Jiggie, or Ann get me the high resolution originals please? We need them for the magazine ASAP. Thanks.
emailing it to annfran now
Aly_Reyes 06-29-2010, 06:51 PM Poll is closed!!! Congratulations to Photo #1. It was a close fight with Photo #3.
Thanks for the pre-emptive treat at Chickboy this lunch!!!!
Derick_Gamboa 07-01-2010, 09:53 AM Aly - Now it's official, i understand it's going to be in Shangrila Makati. :)
paulofabra 07-01-2010, 11:31 AM I'm just new here and i don't know who's photographer is better who's not. .
jiggie.alejandrino 07-01-2010, 11:06 PM Aly - Now it's official, i understand it's going to be in Shangrila Makati. :)
I heard the same thing, eat all you can buffet in circles right?
ann_francisco 07-01-2010, 11:16 PM I heard the same thing, eat all you can buffet in circles right?
I'm definitely making myself available for this! :D
Cristina Trinidad 07-02-2010, 12:02 AM I heard the same thing, eat all you can buffet in circles right?
Winner already treated in Chic-Boy so this time, 2nd placer is treating naman in Circles??? Wow! Big Time!!! :-) Count me in!!!:D
Derick_Gamboa 07-02-2010, 08:11 AM Winner already treated in Chic-Boy so this time, 2nd placer is treating naman in Circles??? Wow! Big Time!!! :-) Count me in!!!:D
Well i do not mind really Chi chi. Circles or Heat. just say when. I am sure the 2nd placer would not mind indulging the request of the lady from "FINLAND". After all, he definitely knows who butters his side of the bread!!!:D:D:D:D
Chi, keep close tabs on the follow through actions please!!!:D
Derick_Gamboa 07-02-2010, 08:14 AM I'm definitely making myself available for this! :D
HUH? you did not show up for the 1st placer "baboyfest", and you will show up for the 2nd placer Agape? :Grin::Grin: Suddenly, you are not sick?:Thinking:
Cesar Esguerra 07-31-2010, 08:23 AM I choose photo no. 3, the photo speaks for its self by focusing on the walls which is the main subject while the monk is dong by praying, with letters on the walls for their prayers and wishes.
macoatienza 08-06-2010, 02:23 AM Image 3 definitely. As it really emphasizes the wall, which is sacred to Judaism, which the background represents
hoseal gayman 08-13-2010, 03:34 PM #1 The wall stretches high and you box them in with a tight crop. He wails in his mind while another feels the trap, caught in a moment of proximity with each other.
Great comp IMO. That one gets my vote.
#2 He holds the wall gently, wall and man slowly losing color. Goodly sublime but the vignette was an intrusive darkness.
#3 The wall stands with its mortared prayers. There is a large mid area of blur that separates two points of interest on either end.
Good pics by the way, I love all of them. :)
edit: trying to find the post on who took what. anyone?
adrianrodriguez 08-13-2010, 04:01 PM #1 The wall stretches high and you box them in with a tight crop. He wails in his mind while another feels the trap, caught in a moment of proximity with each other.
Great comp IMO. That one gets my vote.
#2 He holds the wall gently, wall and man slowly losing color. Goodly sublime but the vignette was an intrusive darkness.
#3 The wall stands with its mortared prayers. There is a large mid area of blur that separates two points of interest on either end.
Good pics by the way, I love all of them. :)
edit: trying to find the post on who took what. anyone?
Buy DPP Issue 33, the winner of the Head to Head to Head challenge is posted there and who took which photos.
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