ive already saved up enough money to buy a DSLR.
the original plan was to buy a 30d coz ive already invested in canon system
(2 lenses, hoods, filters and what not) but when the K10D came out it made me think twice.
its cheaper and much more advanced than 30d. I dont mind investing in pentax coz it has a good and long reputation in the industry and have some very good lenses and the company now looks promising.

not im caught in this dilemma and cant decide which one to choose.
anyone can give some inputs?

If your glass investment with Canon is on the expensive side (Lenses with IS and the fantastic L's), if I were you, I'd still continue with Canon as my system.

If you're still interested I've posted my current experience with my K10D as compared to my cousins' 400D and 30D at the Pentax DSLR thread.

try the 400D if you want something cheaper than the 30D

ive already saved up enough money to buy a DSLR.
the original plan was to buy a 30d coz ive already invested in canon system
(2 lenses, hoods, filters and what not) but when the K10D came out it made me think twice.
its cheaper and much more advanced than 30d. I dont mind investing in pentax coz it has a good and long reputation in the industry and have some very good lenses and the company now looks promising.

not im caught in this dilemma and cant decide which one to choose.
anyone can give some inputs?

Alfred,

I've posted this before and I post it again. The camera body is the accessory of the lens.

Do not be enamored or be beguiled by the body. Bodies will change quickly and become obsolete. But lenses will be there for the lifetime. Do Pentax's lineup fit your needs? Are they competitive vis-a-vis other brands? The advantage of going Nikon or Canon is there's lots of equipment to find, even 2nd hand, in case you need to expand or get cheaper stuff. And most likely your friends or even relatives might have lenses or flashes you can borrow or even buy from in case they don't want it anymore. Consider these things when getting gear.

It's also not just the price, but nice as the features of the Pentax, I think you can get a decent a d40, d70, or 30d or 400d, for a lower cost, then factor in the lenses and other stuff, the Pentax as a system, does not seem so competitive.


There's also the issue of support. Can Sanly support you if your equipment fails? Do they have a good track record or repairing, replacing, etc faulty products? Even if the price of a pentax is competitive, if you will be stuck with a product they don't want to support or will need a long time to fix, then might as well buy a brick or even a stone and it won't cost you a thing.

Also consider, and this may just be speculation, what would happen if Pentax is bought out by samsung, or suddenly Hoya decides to become the majority owner and enforce its plans? How would the future bodies play out with your existing lenses?

I am not against pentax, but if you do choose this path, be very, very mindful of these things.

Finally, Feb is just 2 months away. If you can wait for that, Canon will likely introduce new stuff and so with other vendors. The d80 now may be the best of the lineup for its price bracket, and so with the K10d, but you don't want to be banging your head when a similar spec'd or even better one comes out from the other brands. Or that 400d goes down to P38k in price or the 350d dips below P30k for the body only, the same with the D40. Or a 40d comes out with better specs at P60k or less.

i second mel's post.not being biased here, but if i already have a system ;m comfortable with, i can't see how a "newer technology" will improve my photos.

Hi..Happy New Year to all!!!. Can anyone fill me with this? Does a Canon 400D have an internal drive motor ( inside the camera) for its autofocus lenses? ( just like its Nikon counterpart?). Does Canon 400d only uses EF lenses with USM? Can it use manual-focus lenses. Thank you very much. Hope to hear from all of U soon! " Muy Prospero Ano Nuevo 2007!!!

ive already saved up enough money to buy a DSLR.
the original plan was to buy a 30d coz ive already invested in canon system
(2 lenses, hoods, filters and what not) but when the K10D came out it made me think twice.
its cheaper and much more advanced than 30d. I dont mind investing in pentax coz it has a good and long reputation in the industry and have some very good lenses and the company now looks promising.

not im caught in this dilemma and cant decide which one to choose.
anyone can give some inputs?

Go for the Canon since you already invested in the lens. Its a waste of money and time to be changing systems. Hope you have the will to avoid being hypnotized by the marketing hype of companies and their products. You will be better off concentrating on being an artist/ photographer. Its always the photgrapher behind the camera that is important not the camera.

This might help you... http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/pentaxk10d/

yeah i agree with you it is much safer to bet on a much stable company and the market leader right now which is canon but im just not impressed w/ canon's mid-range line up at the moment.
d80, d200, K10d vs. 400d, 30d. the nikon and pentax wins by a mile.

indeed it is risky to invest on pentax since i dont have much £££.
but weather seals, shake-reduction, dust removal, nine cross-type sensors, 10mp, Tav, Sensitivity mode, good ergonomics etc.. all in one body! and for a price of 30d!! this really blew me away.
the only camera i could think of that im willing to trade off for this is the 1D series.

as for the lenses we all know that pentax have a very good reputation on this aspect especially the old classic manual prime lenses. they have a quality which is unmatch by anyone. but im afraid in not used to manual focus except on landscape shots and im quite spoiled by USM so i really need to shell out big buck to buy a good SMC lens.

support is not a problem since im in UK. getting those classic sweet lenses on a bargain will not be a problem either but i will need to buy brand new lenses for the newer ones (zoom/SMC)

i doubt canon will be able to match the K10D with the similar price. its just not canon. canon is infamous for downgrading their products for business sake.

dont get me wrong im not looking for a technology that will hopefully help improve my photos i know in all of my photographs the limit is only me.
being only a poor student ive worked hard to save up this money and i just want to make sure that il get the best bang for my buck.


being an film SLR user going digital is a big jump from me.

i might have invested about 30K for my canon lenses & filters. not really big. i could always eBay it.

just a thought. if ever i planned to buy 30D should i buy it now? coz canon europe has a 10k cash-back if i buy a 30D before 31 Jan 07.
sells at around 70-80k in high street shops (body only) (yeah i know.. thats the way things are here in rip off Britain)

or will i just wait for a new camera to be release then buy 30D?
(but i have reservations 30d is just not the best camera out there IMHO)
even when the new model (40D) is very good spec'd and i end up liking it. i dont think il have enough money to buy one. im afraid il end up buying one (40D) by end of 2007. (3-6 months rule waiting for price to go down)

sheesh.. this is harder than i thought.

Go for the Canon since you already invested in the lens. Its a waste of money and time to be changing systems. Hope you have the will to avoid being hypnotized by the marketing hype of companies and their products. You will be better off concentrating on being an artist/ photographer. Its always the photgrapher behind the camera that is important not the camera.

Leonard thanks. thats so true. cant agree with you more bro.
sometimes i just want to grab any camera out there and start making photographs.
the only concern is (and you might now understand me on this one)
this is my hard earned money infact this is all what i have. i just want to make the most out of it you know?

(but i have reservations 30d is just not the best camera out there IMHO)


Actually, I regard the 30D as one of the best cameras out there. And for the price, I like it even more than the 5D.

As regarding the "It's not the camera, it's the photographer." and "Invest on lenses rather than the body." I totally agree 100%. But there's also nothing wrong with buying what you want. It's just like everything else. Sometimes, people buy things they just want but don't really need, like cars or cellphones for example. Hey, it makes them feel good and satisfied in some ways.

And one of the main reasons I got the K10D over the 30D was I never had a DSLR of my own so I was kinda in a hurry to get one when I had the dough just before Christmas. Moreover, I already tried to purchase the 30D twice, and both times it didn't push through and I was quite depressed for a few days after. Anyway, I took it as a sign and waited. So, "good things come to those who wait". (But don't wait too long!) Now, I have what I want and satisfied with what I got.

If I were you, I'd wait it out in Feb/March and see what Canon will release. Some say it's the 40D and some say it's the 1D upgrade. Remember, Canon was the first to introduce a sub $1000 dslr and it was really a surprise and very good news back then. Who knows, you may like what they come out with. And regardless of whether you like what they have or not by then; the 30D, D80 or even the D200 may be pushed further in the price bracket you like.

In the end, it's your decision. By the way, I was(am) already a Canon P&S user. To think of it, my relatives all have Canon - dslrs, P&S, videocams, printers. If I got the 30D, undoubtedly I would be very happy with it. But there will always be a sense of regret of not getting the camera I want.

Goodluck and Happy New Year!

PS: The K10D is priced higher in the UK than in the US and Asia.

i just cant help to think rather than paying 40%-50% more for a lens to have it Image Stabilized il just flip of a button and all of my lenses will be IS in an instant! deim. shake reduction is sweet..

well thanks for all the replies. i think il just wait and see how 2007 will play out. nikon out manouvered canon w/ their d80 & d40 and pentax surprised everyone w/ K10d. lets see how canon will respond.

for now il just enjoy my time in the film world. cheerio.

i just cant help to think rather than paying 40%-50% more for a lens to have it Image Stabilized il just flip of a button and all of my lenses will be IS in an instant! deim. shake reduction is sweet..

well thanks for all the replies. i think il just wait and see how 2007 will play out. nikon out manouvered canon w/ their d80 & d40 and pentax surprised everyone w/ K10d. lets see how canon will respond.

for now il just enjoy my time in the film world. cheerio.


PS: The K10D is priced higher in the UK than in the US and Asia. Everythings is. lenses, films, food and gas. not to mention high tax. :Mad:

Hi Alfred,

Welcome to the forum:) Is Alfred E. Neuman your real name?
If I'm not mistaken, that's the name of Mad Magazine's mascot:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_E._Neuman

Unless you were really named after the character, please PM the mods
to change it to your real name.

Happy New Year and welcome to DPP :)