http://kenrockwell.com/tech/150-vs-5000-dollar-camera.htm

Oooh! If Mike P was still here he'll be flapping his ears already :Grin:

Actually if "he who shall not be named" argued like Ken Rockwell, he would have stood a better chance.

A good read.

However, what Ken does not address (in my opinion) is that 13MP image will fare better in the long term (and I mean decades here) than a image shot with less data. You cannot recover what is not there.

I'm looking at my 4MP images from my P&S 10 years ago and it's those images I cannot retake. My eldest son being born, taking his first steps... you get the idea.

By buying the best I can afford now, I can at least have a better (I didn't say the absolute best) chance to preserve my memories.

Actually if "he who shall not be named" argued like Ken Rockwell, he would have stood a better chance.

... and had shown sample shots like Ken did.

is this the guy u talking bout? the one that we don't talk about but we all know who he is?
(not my pics, just using them as an example, i googled them)
http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g111/paonav217/fj7eh3kfrvlg8glhrgpv1ircl7ypz74b.jpg

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g111/paonav217/troll.gif

nice read,,, and here i am thinking of buying another dslr:(

K Rockwell may be a little extreme on other articles he wrote, but this particular one he has a point, expecially the phrase ... "This shows the importance of knowing how to use your camera over buying a fancier one."..... makes me think...hhmmm, have I mastered my old digital P&S before venturing to dSLR??? Oh well....

i think your growth as a photographer will be hindered if you use a dslr,, p&s has many limitation,,

but upgrading froma dslr to a better dslr if you haven't maximize your own cam is something else:(

Oooh! If Mike P was still here he'll be flapping his ears already :Grin:

Maybe "he who must not be named" has returned... :Grin:

Maybe "he who must not be named" has returned... :Grin:

I think he did return.... "he who must not be named" maybe is using a different name... He is among us now...be afraid, be very afraid.. tininini tininini tininini (Twilight zone theme).:RedEye:

Can I borrow your 5D? :D

I use fancy cameras because they work under more conditions, see things from different angles, or make my work faster or easier for me. The results for 99% of my applications are the same. I'm lazy, and prefer nice tools if I have to use them all day, every day. Nice tools are nice, but just nice. They aren't necessary.

I think he did return.... "he who must not be named" maybe is using a different name... He is among us now...be afraid, be very afraid.. tininini tininini tininini (Twilight zone theme).:RedEye:

I hate to think that he has implanted himself in someone's head (like in Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone). :Scared:

For landscape shot, a digital point-n-shoot can beat any DSLR in terms of resolution and sharpness. You can use a P&S at its telephoto end (above 180mm) and stitch multi-row images for a gigapixel resolution image. You can't do this with a DSLR since at 200mm the depth of field is already very shallow.

My biggest image (450Megapixel) was taken with a poin-n-shoot.
But we're only talking about resolution here and only on landscape shots.


BTW, im not the one what can't be named :)

Guys, maybe we can be on-topic.

The troll photos post by Paolo is not necessary. Actually, I wished Mike P. was here to defend himself.

The article just shows that you don't need a very expensive camera to get good photos.

I don't own a DSLR (Film SLR, yes but it's broken) and I've only used my P&S for the past 6 years or so, and I've pretty much exhausted what it can do but I haven't exhausted what it can SHOOT (subjects)...

While I'm still craving for a DSLR day-in-and-day-out due to speed, high ISO, wide angle and bokeh addiction, I can't fathom the idea of me not carrying a P&S around with me all the time. There are a lot of things that one camera type can do that the other can't, it's best to have both :D

And I can't afford a DSLR.

And with the advent of a high-ISO P&S like the Fuji F30... My DSLR days may very well be delayed even more.

While i am constantly frustrated with indoor & flash shots of P&S.
For macro and many outdoor and landscape, the P&S actually does very well.

For landscape shot, a digital point-n-shoot can beat any DSLR in terms of resolution and sharpness. You can use a P&S at its telephoto end (above 180mm) and stitch multi-row images for a gigapixel resolution image. You can't do this with a DSLR since at 200mm the depth of field is already very shallow.

@ all,

I would agree that expensive cameras does not necessarily mean better photos over less expensive ones. At the end of the day, its all about technique and taste right?

I think the arguement, "why do you need to buy an expensive camera when a cheaper one will do?" has been done to death (exp. when there was a Troll that keeps popping here in the forum). And the most obvious answer to that question is flexibility. Its not that most photographers are stupid and buy a DSLR for "porma", but because they want a camera that shoots faster, manually over-ride exposure, interchangeable lenses, etc.

Lastly, good photos has always been subjective. Would you say Hi-key pictures are over-exposed? Probably, the most politically correct way to put it is that P&S or less expensive cameras produce "generally acceptable photos", while more expensive cameras give more flexibility to the user.

Peace! Just my IMO.

I actually noticed that the 2nd (mouse roll over) is the better photo, as it is lighter

eventually the 2nd photo was shot using the DSLR.

the 1st one is quite dim. so it was obvious it was taken with a digital camera.

Ken Rockwell might be trying to sell the powershot camera

No offense, but how does a dim photo automatically lead you to believe that it's a P&S?

Ken Rockwell had to set the P&S to a lower ISO setting to make a clearer photo.

The DSLR most often takes better lighter shots at dim conditions. So when I see lighter photos I assume it was taken from a DSLR.

@ all,

I would agree that expensive cameras does not necessarily mean better photos over less expensive ones. At the end of the day, its all about technique and taste right?

I think the arguement, "why do you need to buy an expensive camera when a cheaper one will do?" has been done to death (exp. when there was a Troll that keeps popping here in the forum). And the most obvious answer to that question is flexibility. Its not that most photographers are stupid and buy a DSLR for "porma", but because they want a camera that shoots faster, manually over-ride exposure, interchangeable lenses, etc.

Lastly, good photos has always been subjective. Would you say Hi-key pictures are over-exposed? Probably, the most politically correct way to put it is that P&S or less expensive cameras produce "generally acceptable photos", while more expensive cameras give more flexibility to the user.

Peace! Just my IMO.

agree. The DSLR's has got more flexible options compared to a digital P&S.

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Ken Rockwell might be trying to sell the powershot camera

Agree!

Ken Rockwell tends to create an argument that favors a certain product. Notice how he always oversells the 18-200VR as the best lens ever(!!!).

(OT: No offense, the 18-200VR is a very good lens, but he keeps butting it in all his lens recommendation, its quite frustating)

If I want a less-bias, less-rude, more technical approach to reviews and editorials, I would rather read Thom Hogan (www.bythom.com (http://www.bythom.com)). :)

P&S, maybe can beat the dslr or the old 35mm in resolution such in landscape (see seitz d3 panoramic camera 160 million pixels).

For me i still prefer Dslr and 35mm film. Why? The way Vincent van Gogh painted the starry starry night, starlight over the rhone etc., The way Frank Loyd Wright design the famous falling waters. The way Bob Dylan compose his songs during his time (Liscence to kill, Knock'n on heavens door. Taking pictures of nature setting the date, time, hours plus the setting on your camera, then, you paint it on a canvass of your own on a dslr tool.

Dpp nubee.

on a few instances a digital P&S can almost equal a DSLR.

What Ken Rockwell missed is that he took the shot on a very calm day (no wind).

It will be entirely different when a slight wind is blowing and the leaves are moving. In that case the powershot camera photo will be obvious.

see this site 18-200 vr review.

http://www.photozone.de/8Reviews/lenses/nikkor_18200_3556vr/index.htm

pardon my ignorance , what is point and shoot camera? how can you categorized it , is Lumix FZ10 can be considered P& S ? :)

Basically, at this point in time, either it is a point and shoot or a DSLR (talking digital).

"DSLR, Digital Single Lens Reflex, a camera that uses the same lens for viewing and shooting. A mirror reflects the image from the lens to the viewfinder.When the shutter button is pressed, the mirror flips out of the way and the shutter opens, exposing the image sensor to light". Taken from The Ultimate Field Guide to Photography by National Geographic.

I think if it is not an SLR, it is categorized as a Point and Shoot. :Grin:

Funny. A lot seem blind to the difference that is in plain view - it is there if you only use your eyes. I say, for those who can not see, they deserve a p&s.

Manuel: I think, as long as the lenses are not interchangeable, they're considered P&S...

It's no longer the shooting modes in question since most DSLRs have the same shooting assist (scene) modes as their P&S counterparts these days.

Thanks guys for the reply now i understand:

1) P&S do not permit interchanging of lens
2) P&S focust to the glass window that does not show exactly the same image reaching the film.
3) They give you little control over focus and exposure .

So these are the difinition of P&S. How about the range finder camera they too focus to the glass window but have interchangible lens can they be called mistiso between slr nad p&S?:D

Funny. A lot seem blind to the difference that is in plain view - it is there if you only use your eyes. I say, for those who can not see, they deserve a p&s.

Thank you sir for your cool reply , I take this as a complement.:)

They're discussing this as well in DPREVIEW hehe.
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1022&message=21079386