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jestonizarsuela
07-04-2009, 09:51 AM
Hi po! I've recently attended the DPP 3rd Year Anniversary Color Management class and what really stuck in my head is to calibrate you monitor!:D So that's what i did. :D

Another lesson that i got there is that for web posting, it is best to use sRGB color profile. Now my laptop has two color profiles now, the one from the monitor calibrator (spyder2express.icm) and the 'default' one in my laptop which is the sRGB Color Space Profile.

What i did is im using in the (right click desktop)>properties>color management is the spyder2express.icm. Now this is the part where i get confused, I thought that i should still use sRGB color space in the photoshop while doing my pp, but when i'm done with my pp, the resulting photo when viewed in the Windows Picture and Fax Viewer or set as desktop wallpaper, the color changed, it is now more on the cold side. But when i open it again at Photoshop, it looks just fine.

I've googled this problem for a while and then i found out that i should have the same color profile for the windows and the photoshop. So my question is that should i use the spyder2express color profile in my photoshop or should i use the default sRGB color profile for the windows?

Thank you guys for your help! :D

David Tong
07-04-2009, 11:40 AM
You're confusing color profile of the image itself vs color profile of the monitor....

Long story short, keep your PS default profile at sRGB and leave your monitor's color profile to the Spyder generated ICM.

jestonizarsuela
07-04-2009, 02:19 PM
aahhh..so my current setup is correct. :D..but the color difference when i view my photos on windows picture and fax viewer kind of bothers me, but i guess that's the way it is. :D

Thanks!

David Tong
07-04-2009, 02:21 PM
Windows P&FV doesn't support color management.

jestonizarsuela
07-04-2009, 03:41 PM
ay sir, can you suggest a photo viewer that can incorporate color management. thanks!

David Tong
07-04-2009, 04:26 PM
If you save/export your images using sRGB, Windows' P&FV should show you the same colors. You'll only worry about color shifts if the image file itself has a colorspace different from your display...

"Faststone Image Viewer" is a good viewing software that supports color management, I like it coz it also reads RAW files.

jestonizarsuela
07-05-2009, 01:57 AM
thank you so much sir for the help!I'll try that software. :D

rommellmarinay
07-06-2009, 10:23 PM
Im a happy spyder ex 2 user.

I have a question about softproofing. Is it possible to softproof how will my picture look like on an uncalibrated monitor.

Everytime I view my pictures at the office using uncallibrated monitor. I found my pictures at multiply lacking significantly in contrast and saturation.

Is it possible to have a hint how will my pictures look like on web using common pc monitors?

Jo Avila
07-08-2009, 05:57 PM
Im a happy spyder ex 2 user.

I have a question about softproofing. Is it possible to softproof how will my picture look like on an uncalibrated monitor.

Everytime I view my pictures at the office using uncallibrated monitor. I found my pictures at multiply lacking significantly in contrast and saturation.

Is it possible to have a hint how will my pictures look like on web using common pc monitors?


Yup. This is possible. In Photoshop, go to View>Proof Setup>Windows RGB.

This should show you a close to ballpark preview of how the same image will look on a computer running Windows OS using a program that doesn't recognize color profiles (i.e. web browsers, microsoft picture & fax viewer, etc.).

Cheers!

Jo Avila

jay.lagat
10-13-2009, 09:30 AM
I have the same problem now...

I calibrated my monitor via spyder ex 2 and work out just fine on my previous photos though the prints are a little bit darker on my monitor but it's acceptable to my taste.

recently, i found out that the color "black" of my monitor is super black that I can't see any irregularities of a black background. but when viewed the photos on other monitors, i noticed that the background (which is supposed to be black) looks like dark gray and the folds/blemishes or the like can be seen.

i tried recalibrating my monitor with my room without lights, as in pitch black... but still I am getting the same results...

Anyone have an idea on how to fix this?

Thanks a lot!

Jo Avila
10-13-2009, 11:46 AM
I have the same problem now...

I calibrated my monitor via spyder ex 2 and work out just fine on my previous photos though the prints are a little bit darker on my monitor but it's acceptable to my taste.

recently, i found out that the color "black" of my monitor is super black that I can't see any irregularities of a black background. but when viewed the photos on other monitors, i noticed that the background (which is supposed to be black) looks like dark gray and the folds/blemishes or the like can be seen.

i tried recalibrating my monitor with my room without lights, as in pitch black... but still I am getting the same results...

Anyone have an idea on how to fix this?

Thanks a lot!

Your computer display is too bright if your prints come out too dark.

One bit of advice I got in the past was its better to have a monitor that is slightly too dark rather than one that is slightly too bright (if you are unsure how to set your computer display's luminance).

A computer display that is slightly too bright might result in print that are too dark (which some people might deem unacceptable).

A computer that display that is slightly too dark might result in a print that is slightly too bright (which most people might find acceptable).

Let's not dwell first on how your images look on other computer displays since we aren't sure if they have been properly calibrated and profiled.

The whole point of using a device like the Spyder2 Express is to help you achieve a close match between how the image looks on your computer display and the print.

The printer and the paper is incapable of replicating the darkest black and the brightest white that your computer display shows you.

That's why we perform ramp tests for certain combinations of printers and paper.

The ramp tests helps us determine the appropriate black point and white point values that we use and assign to the darkest shadows and brightest highlights of the images that we edit.

This helps preserve shadow and highlight detail once the image is printed.

HTH.

Cheers!

Jo Avila

Jo Avila
10-13-2009, 12:00 PM
@ Jay

Teka lang ... didn't you take my class? Did you do the steps I showed during the module on basic photoshop regarding altering the RGB values of your black, mid and white point tools in Curves?

Chees!

Jo Avila

jay.lagat
10-15-2009, 01:13 PM
@ Jay

Teka lang ... didn't you take my class? Did you do the steps I showed during the module on basic photoshop regarding altering the RGB values of your black, mid and white point tools in Curves?

Chees!

Jo Avila

yes, I did sir Jo as instructed during our workshop. I also checked the values compared to the values you provided on your CD and it's the same. I noticed improvements after using curves as you suggested. Thanks a lot!

All the best! :)

Jo Avila
10-16-2009, 12:48 AM
yes, I did sir Jo as instructed during our workshop. I also checked the values compared to the values you provided on your CD and it's the same. I noticed improvements after using curves as you suggested. Thanks a lot!

All the best! :)

There's a reason why I encourage you during class to use the Curves command instead of levels.

Please be sure to read the section in your PDF handout on Photoshop regarding the six basic shapes you can use when using the Curves command of Photoshop :D

Cheers!

Jo Avila