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bernard billedo
11-15-2006, 07:28 PM
Here's a 46-minute continuous star trail of the southern sky right in our backyard. After doing a 30-minute star trail, I pushed the limits of my cam and tried 46 minutes of continuous exposure @ f/4. Soon after I ended the exposure, a meteor streaked past from north to south which would have made a light trail on the right side of the image. Talk about bad luck!
Note: The two fuzzy objects on the left and top of the image are the Large and Small Magellanic Clouds.

http://static.flickr.com/117/298009207_3eb06544bc.jpg

vien_cortez
11-15-2006, 07:31 PM
Hi bernard! I'd love to see it, but I can't. Could there be a problem with the link perhaps?

bernard billedo
11-15-2006, 07:35 PM
That's weird... I can see it on my PC. I'll try using flickr.

JonDexterTan
11-15-2006, 08:02 PM
bernard, you make me want to try this :D thanks for the share!

David Tong
11-15-2006, 08:14 PM
Nice, nice, nice and clean :D

cris_servillas
11-15-2006, 08:17 PM
hey this great! ive been thinking of doing this for sometime now.

egayfaro
11-15-2006, 08:21 PM
And how did you react after seeing the meteor? Nag wish ka lang sana na may dumating pa. hehehe.

Nice capture though.

bernard billedo
11-15-2006, 08:25 PM
And how did you react after seeing the meteor? Nag wish ka lang sana na may dumating pa. hehehe.

Nice capture though.

I wished that my batteries would last for the next 45 minutes while the cam is processing the image. :Grin: And I got my wish!

vien_cortez
11-15-2006, 11:45 PM
WOW! Very nice! Thanks for giving me the heads up that you've reposted the link. I hope to see more. :)

Sonny Thakur
11-16-2006, 07:39 AM
I should try this out with film :p

How did you meter the scene?

rosalie_gomez
11-16-2006, 07:47 AM
Something new to try... thanks for sharing! :)

zandy_marantal
11-16-2006, 07:55 AM
very cool Bernard.

jay jallorina
11-16-2006, 10:19 AM
the perks of living in 100% pure new zealand! hehehe.

beautiful image idol! :) will try this in anawangin but i'll have to buy another battery. they might gang up on me the next day if i dont take more souvenir shots! hahaha.

rhea_ongyiu
11-16-2006, 10:22 AM
beautiful!!! this i gotta try!

bernard billedo
11-16-2006, 02:29 PM
the perks of living in 100% pure new zealand! hehehe.

beautiful image idol! :) will try this in anawangin but i'll have to buy another battery. they might gang up on me the next day if i dont take more souvenir shots! hahaha.

Thanks! I'm already planning on using Mt. Doom as the foreground but the weather down there's been crap for the past month.
Buy the OEM battery from Canon. My generic BP511 didn't even last for 30 minutes and that was freshly charged. You should try it for 60mins, with pine trees or tents as foreground interests.
Sama mo na ba si Che? Hopefully the weather's good this weekend and let me know how it turns out. I wanna know how long we can squeeze the juice out of it.

neil.castano
11-16-2006, 02:35 PM
wow this is new! will try it...thanks for sharing.

bernard billedo
11-16-2006, 02:41 PM
I should try this out with film :p

How did you meter the scene?

I didn't meter it... I just set the ISO at 100 (higher ISO will capture more stars but will create more noise), and the lens' widest aperture at f/4. Stopping down would capture fewer stars. The longer the focal length and the farther you point your camera away from the pole, the longer the trail.
I think this would turn out great with film. With slide film, long exposures create a green cast on images so you need an FLD filter to counteract this.

Giovanni de la Cruz
11-16-2006, 02:48 PM
Cool star trails. I tried to this once but I got some weird purple glow at the top left corner of my photo.

jay jallorina
11-16-2006, 02:59 PM
i wish we could post that 13-hour jim brandenburg star trails photo with the 1D-s! hehehe. the man's really something!

oh well, here's the link:
http://www.photoworkshop.com/canon/explorers/jim_brandenburg/brandenburg.html

bernard, thanks for telling me about this. if im getting a 5D, this will be the last thing i will try with the 30D. lol :D

bernard billedo
11-16-2006, 03:12 PM
Cool star trails. I tried to this once but I got some weird purple glow at the top left corner of my photo.
Thanks! That purple glow might be fixed pattern noise created by your cam's sensor. You can eliminate it using dark frame subtraction.
Here's a link from Canon's Astrophotography page on how to do it.
http://www.canon.co.jp/Imaging/astro/pages_e/12_e.html

bernard billedo
11-16-2006, 03:27 PM
i wish we could post that 13-hour jim brandenburg star trails photo with the 1D-s! hehehe. the man's really something!

oh well, here's the link:
http://www.photoworkshop.com/canon/explorers/jim_brandenburg/brandenburg.html

bernard, thanks for telling me about this. if im getting a 5D, this will be the last thing i will try with the 30D. lol :D

I've seen better shots with film though, but yeah doing it with a 1Ds was just amazing. Brandenburg probably got it for free coz he switched brands. I still want a 2ndhand Canon EOS 10 film slr though as it doesn't use batteries for bulb exposures.

regie_de_rueda
06-04-2007, 11:24 AM
Here's a 30 minute exposure of Polaris. I did an aggressive noise reduction to 'clean' the final product:).
I read somewhere that you can expose in 5 minutes interval, then stacking the series of pictures and it will result in a much cleaner picture. I still need to try that technique, tho'.
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/179/464756496_395943fc0a.jpg

Darryl Ong
06-04-2007, 12:49 PM
TFS bernard, i was also wondering how you meter that shot, thanks for the explaining it btw nice signature,,



bernard, thanks for telling me about this. if im getting a 5D, this will be the last thing i will try with the 30D. lol :D

:Love::Love::Love::Love: bili na :Love::Love:

sherwin_tan
06-04-2007, 03:32 PM
how would you know the center of the star trail?

jay jallorina
06-04-2007, 03:35 PM
by pointing your camera in the general direction of the north star....Polaris....

how to find polaris? the big dipper will help!

sherwin_tan
06-04-2007, 03:37 PM
jay, big dipper is the polaris?

dindin_lagdameo
06-04-2007, 03:43 PM
nice looooooooooonnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnng exposire shot bernard.

one curious question: doesn't long exposures shorten the life of one's camera? just curious... jay, does it?

Erwin Feliciano
06-04-2007, 03:44 PM
sherwin, the end of the big dipper bowl is polaris. :)

Erwin Feliciano
06-04-2007, 03:45 PM
i forgot about the picture, sorry, bernard. anyway, it's a great idea -- i should try this in one of the upcoming night shoots! TFS! :)

jay jallorina
06-04-2007, 03:46 PM
nope, big dipper is the popular name of the constellation ursa major (the great/big bear)... by projecting a line using two specific stars from this constellation, one will be able to find a faint little star which has helped travelers and navigators for centuries - the north star or Polaris. incidentally, polaris is part of the constellation ursa minor (the small bear).

pointing your camera due north or south will result in circular star trails. pointing your camera due east or west will get you vertical trails that run from the top to the bottom of your frame....

sherwin_tan
06-04-2007, 03:49 PM
thanks erwin & jay

jay jallorina
06-04-2007, 03:50 PM
nice looooooooooonnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnng exposire shot bernard.

one curious question: doesn't long exposures shorten the life of one's camera? just curious... jay, does it?

hi din,

my camera takes 90% long exposures. it will be one year old tomorrow. so far, no problems. i dont think doing so damages or shortens the sensor's life. :)

JC Gepte
06-04-2007, 06:29 PM
cool. astrophotography shots. nice photographs!

bernard billedo
06-04-2007, 08:23 PM
@ Darryl - Thanks!

If the Big Dipper is not visible in the night sky, you can use Orion's sword (below Orion's Belt) and scan northwards. The north star is about 14 degrees above the horizon in Manila, so it shouldn't be hard to spot.
I'll post more long exposure star trails tomorrow.

Ventic Filan
06-04-2007, 08:31 PM
huh......

way to go!!!! looooooonnnnnnnnnnnggggggggg eeeexxxppppppooooosssuuuurrrrreeee
thanks for sharing....

jake_borres
06-04-2007, 08:32 PM
hi din,

my camera takes 90% long exposures. it will be one year old tomorrow. so far, no problems. i dont think doing so damages or shortens the sensor's life. :)

Jay,

doing long exposures involves mirror up right? :) or more of the bulb? :)

bernard billedo
06-04-2007, 08:39 PM
I couldn't find any star trails in my website so I'm just posting this from my Flickr account.

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/143/321952447_39c151dd89_o.jpg
Tongariro National Park
Exposure details:
Canon 20D, 17-40 f/4 L
ISO 100, 60 minutes @ f/4

randytamayo
06-04-2007, 10:35 PM
Ok you Polarisers here you go...
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/d6/PolarisB.jpg

diegojose
06-04-2007, 11:36 PM
very cool :) what happens if your camera runs out of juice while it's exposed? or will it automatically close?

sherwin gomez
06-05-2007, 08:41 AM
clap clap clap :) very nice shot!.... :)

jay jallorina
06-05-2007, 09:44 AM
@diego.... mirror slaps back into place and ends the exposure. that's all.

@jake....hmmm....i use mirror lock-up and bulb exposure mode all the time :)

@bernard....ganda! no wonder your camera's meter is whacked up! hehehe

diegojose
06-05-2007, 09:59 AM
really? :) even on a nikon D40? :) cool! i was worried that running out of battery power would endanger my camera :)

jay jallorina
06-05-2007, 10:05 AM
well, i can only speak for a canon 30D :)

but i dont think running your battery to empty can ruin your camera.

Earl Gonzalez
06-05-2007, 10:20 AM
well, i can only speak for a canon 30D :)

but i dont think running your battery to empty can ruin your camera.

But the heat produced by the extensively long exposure predisposes the camera's sensor to more damage, than in normal use.

jay jallorina
06-05-2007, 10:41 AM
hi earl,

perhaps. but without evidence to the back it up, fears of damaging digital sensors due to long exposure is inconclusive.

i've exhausted my battery on long exposures, done successive 15 minute exposures, etc. have never encountered any problems. bernard has been trying to bust his 20D as an excuse to upgrade to a 5D. :D

it's a risk one takes - to pursue this kind of photography - which is demanding on one's gear. but that's why i got a canon. i think its just built for this, for night photography. almost all of the long-exposure photography i've seen on the net prior to me buying a dSLR were with a canon :)

Earl Gonzalez
06-05-2007, 11:06 AM
hi earl,

perhaps. but without evidence to the back it up, fears of damaging digital sensors due to long exposure is inconclusive.

i've exhausted my battery on long exposures, done successive 15 minute exposures, etc. have never encountered any problems. bernard has been trying to bust his 20D as an excuse to upgrade to a 5D. :D

it's a risk one takes - to pursue this kind of photography - which is demanding on one's gear. but that's why i got a canon. i think its just built for this, for night photography. almost all of the long-exposure photography i've seen on the net prior to me buying a dSLR were with a canon :)

I concur that the damage issue is indeed inconclusive... But the predisposition to the latter is indeed a reality, plus noise issues of course, whichever system is being used.

That's why some cameras are really built by manufacturers to do specific or special fields of photographic discipline... e.g. IR or Astrophotography. :)

I agree as well in taking risks... If it makes you feel good and if it works for you then by all means "fire away" and do it!! :)

Earl Gonzalez
06-05-2007, 11:09 AM
oooops... To add... Thanks again to those who posted pics!! :) That's really dedication to your craft. Kudos. :)

dindin_lagdameo
06-05-2007, 12:00 PM
I couldn't find any star trails in my website so I'm just posting this from my Flickr account.

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/143/321952447_39c151dd89_o.jpg
Tongariro National Park
Exposure details:
Canon 20D, 17-40 f/4 L
ISO 100, 60 minutes @ f/4

so so nice!!!

why does your sky look so much nicer than ours? is it the pollution here? heheheheh nice image!!!

dindin_lagdameo
06-05-2007, 12:02 PM
hi earl,

it's a risk one takes - to pursue this kind of photography - which is demanding on one's gear. but that's why i got a canon. i think its just built for this, for night photography. almost all of the long-exposure photography i've seen on the net prior to me buying a dSLR were with a canon :)

naku earl,

make the nikon users proud... prove to jay that the nikon cams are also built to do this long exposures!!! heheheheheh :Grin:

Earl Gonzalez
06-05-2007, 12:04 PM
so so nice!!!

why does your sky look so much nicer than ours? is it the pollution here? heheheheh nice image!!!

Yeah... Here, we have an abundance of CO and CO2. :D Specially at night or early morning... :)

Earl Gonzalez
06-05-2007, 12:06 PM
naku earl,

make the nikon users proud... prove to jay that the nikon cams are also built to do this long exposures!!! heheheheheh :Grin:

Actually Dindin, I'm trying to do more than that... :Grin: I'm also trying to prove that the stock D80 can be a very good IR cam as well... Just wrapping up my personal tests. :)

Norman_P._Aquino
06-05-2007, 01:26 PM
I couldn't find any star trails in my website so I'm just posting this from my Flickr account.

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/143/321952447_39c151dd89_o.jpg
Tongariro National Park
Exposure details:
Canon 20D, 17-40 f/4 L
ISO 100, 60 minutes @ f/4


Bernard, lovely shot! I wish I can do this with my camera. Did you do any in-camera NR here? I suppose you had to clean the photo manually for hot pixels? How bad was it?

I agree with Jay, the Canon is still the best camera for night photography, as it produces the cleanest shot at long exposures. On the other hand, one usually buys (especially with limited budget) a camera for general use (not just night photography) and for this, I would recommend a different system. =B)

Cheers,
Norman

jay jallorina
06-05-2007, 01:31 PM
ehem...

wala naman akong sinabi na hindi kaya ng nikon eh. :) kayo talaga.


@din... new zealand prides itself in its purity from pollution...visibility in its mountain ranges can be in excess of 100 miles. that's what their tourism flyer says. :)

jay jallorina
06-05-2007, 01:35 PM
@ norman.... looks like bernard didnt do NR.... i could still see some hot pixels... 10 discernible ones in the shadow areas....

not bad for an image with 8.2 million pixels. :)

hey, this isnt about camera systems! :D im still going large-format in due time!

Earl Gonzalez
06-05-2007, 01:39 PM
ehem...

wala naman akong sinabi na hindi kaya ng nikon eh. :) kayo talaga.




None taken... :)

No sparks no flames started naman. :) Everything's cool... All systems have their strengths and weaknesses...

Jay, yes I know the limit of what a 350D can or cannot do, for I have access to a Canon system as well. :Grin:

Norman_P._Aquino
06-05-2007, 01:45 PM
@ norman.... looks like bernard didnt do NR.... i could still see some hot pixels... 10 discernible ones in the shadow areas....

not bad for an image with 8.2 million pixels. :)

hey, this isnt about camera systems! :D im still going large-format in due time!


Jay, those are all white pixels, except for one blue pixel. My hot pixels are usually red or blue. Bernard, I await your reply.

Large format? I say start working out now! =B)

Cheers,
Norman

bernard billedo
06-05-2007, 04:52 PM
Thanks guys!

@ Diego - In my experience when in-cam noise reduction is on, the exposure won't be saved as the NR processing requires the same amount of time as the exposure. I experienced this a lot when using generic batteries, and stuck to OEM batteries for extreme weather and extremely long exposures.

@ Norman - This was taken with the cam's NR. I tried doing shorter multiple exposures, shoot a dark frame, then do a dark-frame subtraction in Photoshop but it's too much of a hassle especially when it's freezing outside.

@ Din - The farther you are from the cities, the clearer the skies get. The Cordilleras is one of the best places to stargaze, and the east coast of Luzon especially north of Baler.

I've always been fascinated with the night sky and if I were shooting Nikon I'd still be shooting startrails anyway regardless of noise.

http://www.bernardbilledo.com/gallery2/d/6750-2/si-070217-1644.jpg
Milford Sound - One of the wettest places on earth gets a rare treat with clear skies.
ISO 100, 58 minutes @ f/4

Russel_Ariola
06-05-2007, 05:07 PM
anyone know how to prevent moisture from building up in front the lens. I live in Baguio and I cant do an exposure for more than an hour. Danke

bernard billedo
06-05-2007, 05:12 PM
anyone know how to prevent moisture from building up in front the lens. I live in Baguio and I cant do an exposure for more than an hour. Danke
Wrap a heat shield or hand warmer around your lens. Moisture will build up at about 15 minutes after exposure in places when there's a lot of moisture in the air. The cheapest way is cover the lens with a black cloth and do a quick wipe of the front element every ten minutes.

HTH