Neat Image or Noise Ninja [Archive] - Digital Photographer Philippines

Marco_Ingco

11-12-2006, 12:19 AM

What do you guys use? I was using Neat Image for over a year thinking that it was doing just fine. Then I got Noise Ninja yesterday, and by God, it blows Neat Image away.

jay jallorina

11-12-2006, 12:33 AM

noise ninja 2.0

....the built in USM rocks!!!

has lots of custom options. if you are in a hurry, just run auto profile and let rip!

use it also for glamour shots! nice effect on skin. try masking eyes and other important details that need to be sharp and use noise ninja on the rest....works like a charm! :)

dave_trinidad

11-12-2006, 04:17 AM

may free download ba noise ninja? im using neat image now.

orlando_arcelao_jr

11-12-2006, 05:14 AM

Noise Ninja fanatic here! :)

fidel_mercado

11-12-2006, 05:39 AM

Began using noise ninja for my photos on indoor sports. I love the results. :)

MikeDougan

11-12-2006, 09:45 AM

Neither, I use a Canon camera so don't need anything to control noise:Grin::Grin:

However of the two I prefer the options and control Noise Ninja offer's but I still think it rob's the image of fine detail.

Mike

Melvin Vivas

11-12-2006, 09:51 AM

Neither, I use a Canon camera so don't need anything to control noise:Grin:
Nice one Mike! hahahaha :D

Roro Fernandez

11-12-2006, 10:10 AM

Noise Ninja here. Standalone application is so easy to use.

Marco_Ingco

11-12-2006, 01:15 PM

Louieescobar

11-12-2006, 01:25 PM

I'm also a "NOISY NINJA" :Grin:

cris_servillas

11-12-2006, 01:27 PM

noise ninja, havent tried neat image.

ernmitanyo

11-12-2006, 03:08 PM

I am using Noise Ninja and I'm also a Canon user (Canon 10D). Noise Ninja also works with BibblePro.

richard_buan

11-13-2006, 12:08 PM

i've used neat image on Windows XP, it works well...
haven't tried noise ninja...

anyone who knows where i can get noise ninja or neat image for mac?

tnx!

Buddy Venturanza

11-13-2006, 12:40 PM

i've been using neat image for a year and noise ninja for almost 4 months already. since i use noise ninja. almost i forgot that i have neat image plugin installed to my CS.

try to use Imagenomic Noiseware Professional plugin.... i found also usefull and more easy to use.

buddy

nino_carandang

11-13-2006, 01:16 PM

Noise Ninja. Currently the top plug-in in my list. Tried Neat Image, works also.

Manuel Libres Librodo

11-13-2006, 02:39 PM

Neatimage all the way...

Mike Punzalan

11-13-2006, 03:23 PM

makes me wonder why you DSLR users use noise reduction softwares? your DSLR not good enough? your DSLR too noisy?

hmmm.. so why all they hype about DSLR's having less noise?

makes me wanna think you bought a DSLR because it is expensive..not because its that good

Total waste of money DSLR's are. see, you still use noise reduction softwares despite spending tons of money on it.

Ria Vallesteros

11-13-2006, 03:28 PM

Mike,
You really should learn some new arguments. It will make you more entertaining.
Or post more pictures.
Ria

Mike Punzalan

11-13-2006, 03:31 PM

zandy_marantal

11-13-2006, 03:50 PM

This is getting old Mike.

I suggest you borrow a DSLR for a week with a basic 50mm f/1.8 lens and then tell us why you didn't like it. Your comments are baseless at this point.

Ria Vallesteros

11-13-2006, 03:54 PM

will all the pain in the ass carrying large DSLR's, large camera bag, large lens, still same work load and effort put up by DSLR owners with point and shoot peers..

DSLR users still need to go home and use noise reduction softwares.. what a pain in the ass DSLR's are..

i just dont get the point
Your first sentence seems incomplete.

I've yet to encounter a P&S that has less noise than a DSLR, ceteris paribus. My Olympus C-770 had more noise at ISO 400 than my 350D has at ISO1600. Maybe you can point out a review of the best P&S can out-shoot, say a 350D , in terms of noise?

Noise is a fact of life. We all live with it. But it seems we DSLR users have to live with it less than P&S shooters do.

And we get that you don't get it. And you don't like DSLRs. You prefer your P&S. We know. You don't need to repeat yourself. Just shoot and post your stuff.

ricky_ladia

11-13-2006, 03:56 PM

Why do use want you wanna use and leave others with what they prefer to use or do. Simply put, why don't we just mind our own business and just shoot some pictures! :D:Grin: i hope you see the point!:)

ricky_ladia

11-13-2006, 03:58 PM

It's.... "why don't you use what you want to use":)

Mike Punzalan

11-13-2006, 04:16 PM

but then its the same workflow. DSLR users also go through all those hassle of going home and running softwares to remove noise, instead of going straight to a print shop. Less noise or more noise, it the same kind of effort you put in removing it.

for some reasons, it should be a standard for print shops to include this in their services (Digiprint, Picture City, Kodak express do you hear me?). They should install noise reduction softwares in their PC's, its a common thing.

Same thing, you use a DSLR you get less noise, but noise is a noise and you have to use noise reduction software with it and its the same work with more noise.

removing less noise is same effort as removing more noise.

orlando_arcelao_jr

11-13-2006, 04:20 PM

but then its the same workflow. DSLR users also go through all those hassle of going home and running softwares to remove noise, instead of going straight to a print shop. Less noise or more noise, it the same kind of effort you put in removing it.

So WHAT? It's their effort, their decision to make and not YOURS! So why don't you mind your own business instead of trolling and posting here your usual cranky, opinionated, pointless and unsolicited rants!!! :D:Grin:

Ria Vallesteros

11-13-2006, 04:29 PM

Assuming same work from the same photographer, which camera would turn up less noise then? It's all about the end product, right? I'm hoping you can show me a review of a camera that will have less noise than my 350D under equal conditions.

And hey, would you know what Argumentum Ad Nauseum is?
Maybe you should also learn Circulum in Demonstrando.
Certainly you are more often than not, Non-Sequitur.
I suggest you read up on logic and fallacies. Maybe it will help you build more solid arguments.

Ria

Mike Punzalan

11-13-2006, 04:33 PM

my point is everyone looks into a camera and compares noise levels at this iso and that iso like i see some posts that says

"how i wish my d80 is as good as that d200 at iso 1600"
"my canon 350d is cleaner at iso 800 than my point and shoot"

but the argument is, the end result will the same when you put it in noise reduction software, and the same type of effort. so why pixel peel all the details and worry about all those ISO bruhahaha when it all ends up to the same image after noise reduction, with exactly the same effort applied?

Mike Punzalan

11-13-2006, 04:34 PM

this DSLR is an overhyped marketing device that fools just about everybody else.

nino_carandang

11-13-2006, 04:35 PM

guys... take time to chill out now. we already know that we are better than this.

Mike Punzalan

11-13-2006, 04:38 PM

and by the looks of it if effort is taken into consideration.

The DSLR users and those who carry and use large DSLRS like nikon d200, canon 30d, are the one who appears to spend more effort, time, hardships by carrying large equipments when a smaller, lighter, device will do. If you consider the time and effort spend just the same in removing 'a little' noise.

nolan_empalmado

11-13-2006, 04:42 PM

during those times when i use NR. i've used noise ninja and it has worked well for my purposes. that said, i've never tried neat image.

jay jallorina

11-13-2006, 04:43 PM

guys, ano ba?! this thread is about the merits of neat image vis-a-vis noise ninja. this isnt an extension of those "dslr vs. p&s" threads...

dont let the troll turn this thread into another of his playgrounds. the more you mind him, the bigger his head grows, uglier and nastier with each passing iteration.

let him be. noisy trologdyte.

Ria Vallesteros

11-13-2006, 04:51 PM

There will be less work for me because my camera will have less noise to begin with. In simple english : less noise from the camera, less noise post processing. Maybe ten less mouse clicks. My camera has less noise than yours nyenyanyenyenye.

You still have to show me that review I've been asking for. I assume you're still finding that review on google - I'm waitiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiing.

Hey, if I have a thousand bucks for ever time you've ever said the DSLR is a marketing device made to fool people, I'd have a new L lens. :)

Ria Vallesteros

11-13-2006, 04:54 PM

Back to regular programming.

Oh, I don't know how to use either. I'm eagerly awaiting the results of this thread.

I'm actually trying to find this tutorial online of a Photoshop technique that removes noise from low-res web images and I'm wondering if it can be applied to photographs. I read it from one of those photoshop tutorial sites but forgot to download it. Is anyone familiar with this technique inside Photoshop?

Mike Punzalan

11-13-2006, 05:03 PM

Ria Vallesteros

11-13-2006, 05:07 PM

Reduction software. Not softwares.
I'd have less mouse clicks. I'm a mac user.
And actually there would be no clicks needed at all if there was no noise becuase you don't need to run it through the software right? :D

Mike Punzalan

11-13-2006, 05:14 PM

with all the response in this thread picking noise ninja.

It appears that this group here who buys DSLRs are indeed going the unusual route. These people seems to have the "I want to be unique mentality. I want to be unusual mentality". Typical of showing off uniqueness by using a DSLR.

The truth is. Neat Image is more, more popular then Noise Ninja. But this thread and people here seems to be attracted with the name "Noise Ninja" without really knowing which one is better. (Just like buying a DSLR)

Rolando Avecilla

11-13-2006, 05:19 PM

Mike Punzalan

11-13-2006, 05:22 PM

I recommend Noiseware. They have the Lite version and there is also some version for the paying pros...

Dig my article about Nikon Noise (http://www.digitalphotographer.com.ph/forum/showthread.php?t=1940), there you can see the sample output of Noiseware (http://www.noiseware.com/).

this one is the least popular. I wonder why you actually use it.

in terms of popularity this comes last behind Neat Image (most popular) and Noise Ninja

Ria Vallesteros

11-13-2006, 05:26 PM

Typical of showing off uniqueness by using a DSLR.
> I thought that DSLR users are mindless sheep just following marketing gimmicks by evil camera manufacturers? Do mindless sheep bother to be unique? Baaaah.

And is popular, really always better?

:D

Mike Punzalan

11-13-2006, 05:36 PM

Ria Vallesteros

11-13-2006, 05:40 PM

Of course. Ninjas are way cool.
:D

Buddy Venturanza

11-13-2006, 05:49 PM

Huh''' deeply argument around here... for me no matter what other people think or comment'Ialways love to shoot with DSLR gear... i dont care about the money will spend for the gears as long as it need to my passion. a photographer always behind it. no matter it cost or the size. just enjoy your time for doin it.

cheers

buddy

Rolando Avecilla

11-13-2006, 06:08 PM

Specially with a clean sensor. :D :D :D

Huh''' deeply argument around here... for me no matter what other people think or comment'Ialways love to shoot with DSLR gear... i dont care about the money will spend for the gears as long as it need to my passion. a photographer always behind it. no matter it cost or the size. just enjoy your time for doin it.

cheers

buddy

David Tong

11-13-2006, 10:23 PM

Guys question...

Stupid as it may seem, how do you use noise ninja?

All i'm doing is Profile >> Apply... Most of the time, the noise issue may be gone, but the image looks plasticy and fake... The surface seems to be patchy... Her skin needs no retouching, but the noise of the cam needs to be removed/reduced.

http://static.flickr.com/99/296409140_c5bd9f96e2.jpg

Original crop

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a69/theveed/DSCN0373.jpg

jay jallorina

11-13-2006, 10:30 PM

Guys question...

Stupid as it may seem, how do you use noise ninja?

All i'm doing is Profile >> Apply... Most of the time, the noise issue may be gone, but the image looks plasticy and fake... The surface seems to be patchy...

http://static.flickr.com/99/296409140_c5bd9f96e2.jpg

are you using auto profile image first? do that and then run noise ninja.

i suggest you use the plug-in version...then you can run it in CS2 and then fade the effects so you can regain some texture. if you really want to retain critical sharpness, you can just mask non-noisy areas and then let the noise filter run rip on the shadows/noisy places.

i often run a small radius USM after noise ninja (with fade/darken blending mode) just to boost sharpness. but that's just me.

David Tong

11-13-2006, 10:32 PM

jay jallorina

11-13-2006, 10:43 PM

Jay: Sorry for not being clear... Yes, I click on the Auto Profile Image first, then just click OK afterwards (plug-in version)...

With regards to "fade the effect" do you mean lower the opacity of the NN layer?

TIA!

david

since you are using noise ninja as a plug-in for CS2 (instead of the stand-alone version), it will be available as a filter (like unsharp mask)...which means you can edit > fade noise ninja it... just reduce maybe to 50% or to taste...

or you can also apply the filter on a duplicate layer and lower the opacity as you suggested..same effect i guess.

hth :)

David Tong

11-13-2006, 10:45 PM

Thanks Jay, it does seem "cleaner" and more natural with this technique... Just tried it... Thanks again :)

Marco_Ingco

11-14-2006, 04:20 AM

Mike,

Please don't hijack my thread. We already KNOW you HATE DSLRs... so SHUT THE F**K UP!!!

You were funny before but now you just get into my nerves!

Thread Starter

@To the rest: Sorry guys...

Marco_Ingco

11-14-2006, 04:27 AM

Back to the regular thread...

I am finding now that Noise Ninja is much better. I downloaded these profiles for my D70 and now everytime I run the plugin, it automatically picks up the right profile based on the EXIF of the file. I don't even have to do anything, just click OK.

That's good because I can just create an action to run Noise Ninja to Automate for a bunch of my images and I don't have to worry about it being overly done like what NeatImage did to my images before.

Marco_Ingco

11-14-2006, 04:34 AM

@David: You can download a profile for your camera here... http://www.picturecode.com/profiles.htm. After you install it, set your Noise Ninja to automatically pick the profile based on the EXIF. You don't have to click on Auto Profile anymore. Just click on OK after you load/run the filter.

It still helps if you run it in a separate layer, like Jay suggested, so you can vary the opacity if you feel the filter was ran too strong.

Tell me if it works for you. It worked for my D70.

David Tong

11-14-2006, 12:13 PM

Marco: Yup, I already have the profile for the S-series camera, but they don't have one for the L6... The preset does work pretty well but I wasn't quite sure how to manipulate the other sliders.

I'll try the Profile based on Exif option today, thanks again bud.

Buddy Venturanza

11-14-2006, 12:26 PM

Mike,

Please don't hijack my thread. We already KNOW you HATE DSLRs... so SHUT THE F**K UP!!!

You were funny before but now you just get into my nerves!

Thread Starter

@To the rest: Sorry guys...

no big deal at all... mike you know where to place... pls just stay @ your belief and knowledge. dont bug others ok... and be a professional...sorry for that.

Rolando Avecilla

11-14-2006, 01:06 PM

Guys, Noiseware is smarter than the two, it actually learns your camera and make a profile. :D

amiel lapuebla

11-14-2006, 01:34 PM

jay jallorina

11-14-2006, 01:42 PM

Marco_Ingco

11-14-2006, 02:16 PM

hey no problem guys. i find it really helpful. i can even create a droplet and just drag and drop a bunch of files on it. automatically cleans the noise. never fails.

glad you guys liked it.

carlozesteban

11-14-2006, 03:01 PM

another vote for noise ninja here!

David Tong

11-14-2006, 03:21 PM

Marco: Can you explain the "droplet" statement? Thanks.

Marco_Ingco

11-14-2006, 10:22 PM

Marco: Can you explain the "droplet" statement? Thanks.

Be glad to. Droplets are automation tools in Photoshop. You create it from the Automate menu under the File main menu. Droplets are .exe files. After you create droplets, you just drag and drop files into the droplet, not in Photoshop, and wahlah! It executes whatever action is you created in the droplet.

You can find more droplet tutorials in the web by Googling "Photoshop Droplet Tutorials".

Hope I help.

Marco

David Tong

11-15-2006, 01:20 PM

1 word...

AWESOME!

Thanks Marco, will research more on that :D

Dys Santos

11-15-2006, 01:43 PM

Noise Ninja has specific profiles for cameras, so I think it does the job more precisely than Neat Image.

nino_carandang

11-15-2006, 01:50 PM

Noise Ninja has specific profiles for cameras, so I think it does the job more precisely than Neat Image.

They've profiled most of the Canon cameras. Haven't seen much of Nikon though.

Vince_Villamin

11-16-2006, 11:36 AM

I use neat image and IMO it works better than noise ninja. Also tried noise ninja trial version and downloaded the profiles. I still like neat image better. although both are very good. Personal preference I guess.

Rolando Avecilla

11-16-2006, 12:29 PM

vince, try Noiseware also. Faster than both and simpler too.

Vince_Villamin

11-16-2006, 01:15 PM

vince, try Noiseware also. Faster than both and simpler too.

thanks will give it a shot .

darwinandres

11-16-2006, 01:57 PM

darwinandres

11-16-2006, 02:02 PM

vince, try Noiseware also. Faster than both and simpler too.

Where can I get Noiseware? Is it a freeware? :)

Rolando Avecilla

11-16-2006, 02:23 PM

Here (http://www.noiseware.com/)... they have the forever FREEWARE. They call it the community version.

Where can I get Noiseware? Is it a freeware? :)

darwinandres

11-16-2006, 02:42 PM

Hey thanks! he he he cool. =)

Eddie Tan

02-07-2007, 04:48 PM

So, Neat image or Noise Ninja? :P

Darryl Ong

02-24-2007, 09:33 AM

i use neat image but if i have a choice noise ninja,, there are no free downloads of noise ninjas,, unless you don't mind the grid that appears in the demo version:(

Chris Palma

04-11-2007, 12:51 AM

can i use noise ninja sa corel paint shop photo XI???

Peter Jaena

04-11-2007, 12:56 AM

i use neat image but if i have a choice noise ninja,, there are no free downloads of noise ninjas,, unless you don't mind the grid that appears in the demo version:(

Actually there are Darryl.... But I dont think it's allowed to mention it here.

FTT: Noise Ninja user here.... tried neat image, but still went back to Noise ninja.:)

john_javellana

04-12-2007, 09:56 AM

hi guys, forgive the ignorance but i'd just like to ask how i can get a hold of noise ninja? i heard that it can be downloaded.. would appreciate the share! :)

anton_villalon

09-30-2007, 08:35 AM

Noise ninja here.

Free downloads are available but illegal. Can't post how - baka pagalitan ako ng mods.

Jose Santiago Tan

09-30-2007, 10:51 AM

Here (http://www.noiseware.com/)... they have the forever FREEWARE. They call it the community version.

Too bad I could not find a Mac version of this freeware.

John Jolbe

09-30-2007, 11:44 AM

Noise Ninja the Best!!! :)

jeffreyebiteng

09-30-2007, 12:19 PM

What do you guys use? I was using Neat Image for over a year thinking that it was doing just fine. Then I got Noise Ninja yesterday, and by God, it blows Neat Image away.

Hi,

I have seen the effects of Neat Image, I will also try the pro Neat Image, sooner than expected the Noise Ninja. Cheers.

Jeffrey

marvin salazar

10-02-2007, 11:08 AM

well i have both... full version.. and i can say noise ninja has much more to offer and neat image is still good..

for me i prefer noise ninja... hiiiiiiiiiiyaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa :Sick:

robruiz

12-06-2007, 10:35 AM

i have neat image here in my office box. i've never tried noise ninja, maybe i'll download the trial later or the *other* full version. (kidding)

abumagbanua

12-06-2007, 01:19 PM

neat image is a separate application right?
i've noise ninja. it's a plug-in installed on my phtoshop

Jared Gomez

12-06-2007, 06:08 PM

i have been using noise ninja 2.1.2 for a long time now..hands down no regrets.. i haven't even heard of neat image.. i'll try to look it up.. hehe

robruiz

12-07-2007, 09:08 AM

neat image is a separate application right?
i've noise ninja. it's a plug-in installed on my phtoshop

you can use it as a plug-in or as a separate application.