Canon's history of upgrades seems to give a pattern that every 18 months camera models are upgraded.

Case in point:
EOS D30 - 5/17/2000
EOS 1D - 9/25/2001
EOS D60 - 2/22/2002
EOS 1Ds - 9/24/2002
EOS 10D - 2/27/2003
EOS 300D (Digital Rebel) - 8/20/2003
EOS 1D MkII -1/29/2004
EOS 20D - 8/19/2004
EOS 1Ds MkII - 9/21/2004
EOS 350D (Digital Rebel XT) - 2/17/2005
EOS 1D MKII N - 8/22/2005
EOS 5D - 8/22/2005
EOS 30D - Feb 2006
EOS 400D - Sept 2006
(data until 5D taken from bobatkins.com (http://www.bobatkins.com/photography/digital/canon_questions_eos30d.html))

Looking at the list, the next logical replacement would be for the top-of-the-line series: the 1Ds Mark II and the 1D Mark II N.

Here's a little rumor I picked up from Northern Light (http://www.northlight-images.co.uk/Canon_1DS_MkIII.html):

15th An interesting dealer sourced rumour from Italy. The new Canon top end camera will appear in December at 22MP with Digic 3, same lens mount. Two versions. One, a 1.3 crop 17MP with a higher burst rate than the 22MP FF version. 'Mk3' price to be at a similar level to the 1Ds Mk2 when it came out. The dealer had sold their last 1D Mk2s and was now waiting for new stuff. No news however, on a replacement for the 5D or a 40D - maybe that's for PMA?

It is interesting to note that no current EOS body carries the Digic3 (http://www.canon.co.jp/Imaging/becommon/camera/digic3-e.html) chip.

Having read all of these, what in your opinion would be the specs of the upcoming 1Ds/1D Mark III? Or what would you like to see in these new top-of-the-line models?

Caveat: Obviously, I can't afford any of these 1-series bodies, but hey... it's nice to dream once in a while. :)

Request: Let's keep this thread clean of any flame-baits okay? No posts stating that there is no sense in buying a camera over four thousand dollars because everyone can be called a photographer even with a point and shoot... okay?

Nono, thanks for sharing. For me, if it has to be an improvement, they will have to make this new one "light", ang bigat kasi eh!!! :) :)

For me, if it has to be an improvement, they will have to make this new one "light", ang bigat kasi eh!!!

I agree Derick those things are heavy. :) However I noticed is that my 20D+battery grip is a little bit heavier than a 1D Mk II. I only tried it a few times (because the 1-series wasn't mine) and I may be mistaken though. :) Not really sure about that particular weight comparison but one thing is certain: these cameras take a big toll on our necks and shoulders. That's where neoprene straps come in. :D

If its an improvement, I wonder (as with all other DSLR's), there isn't a brand or model that can do multiple exposure per frame, right? Just like what used to be done in film?:BlackEye: :BlackEye:

Derick, I have not tried it yet, but Nikon's D200 can do multiple exposures in a single frame. I just read it in the manual. Will try it tomorrow. I am sure the D2X can do it too.

The D80 and the Pentax K10D has multiple exposures too. :)

Is there anything lighter yet as durable as Magnesium Alloy? Carbon Fiber?

Oh man, where have I been? Honestly, i've stop reading "what's new". Unless the feature's a killer app, i'm happy where i am. I've gone over what i need already as it is. It's nice to know such feature exists already, thanks guys.

Oh man, where have I been? Honestly, i've stop reading "what's new". Unless the feature's a killer app, i'm happy where i am. I've gone over what i need already as it is. It's nice to know such feature exists already, thanks guys.

Well, atleast it's a good sign your happy with what you have. :)

As for what I'd like to see added back is Canon's eye controlled AF (http://www.usa.canon.com/consumer/controller?act=CanonAdvantageTopicDtlAct&fcategoryid=111&id=2649) if ever it's possible. :D

What do you guys mean by "multiple exposures in a single frame"?

Hmm, isn't Canon pushing the envelope a little too much here? I mean, the more pixels you stuff into the same-sized sensor, the higher the chance for noise? Please correct me if I am wrong. :)

It's the same as the film based multiple exposure. You take multiple shots on the same film frame, exposing each image on top of the last one resulting in 1 multiple exposed image. The D200, D80, and K10D can take more than 5 photos consecutively exposing each frame on top of the last frame but obviously digitally.

Somewhat similar to using multiply or other layer blending changes in Photoshop.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiple_exposure

:)

I hope Canon releases it soon so that Nikon will be forced to do the same. This usually drives the prices down of the current high-end bodies.

Still waiting to get a mint D2Hs for under $2k.:Grin:

just read an add for a new ixus with face recognition thats suppose to adjust fill-flash to brighten up the face/s it detects! it also sports the new digic III processor.

hope prices arent so prohibitive when it comes out =)..im not ready for one though.. hopefully i will be in next year or 2 =)

it's gonna be a point and shoot camera....KIDDING!

when will we have a 2.0 to add to the 1.6, 1.0 crop bodies?

It's the same as the film based multiple exposure. You take multiple shots on the same film frame, exposing each image on top of the last one resulting in 1 multiple exposed image. The D200, D80, and K10D can take more than 5 photos consecutively exposing each frame on top of the last frame but obviously digitally.

Somewhat similar to using multiply or other layer blending changes in Photoshop.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiple_exposure

:)

So it's almost like HDR then? Interesting.

It is the top of the line Canon dslr and it has digic 3 , does that mean it has the face detection feature like the ixus850 point and shoot?

So it's almost like HDR then? Interesting.

It's more to show motion like this (http://images.art.com/images/products/large/10109000/10109169.jpg) or this (http://images.scotsman.com/2003/05/12/1205eclb.jpg) or overlapping totally different images like these (http://shop.lomography.com/holga/galleries/?album=4) or these (http://www.adorama.com/catalog.tpl?op=academy&article=021405) for special effects rather than increasing dynamic range. :)

I think this would be a welcome feature for the MkIII and down the line as well. :)

when will we have a 2.0 to add to the 1.6, 1.0 crop bodies?

are you sure you want a 2x crop body? coz i came from 2x cropped dslrs and i'm surely happier now with the 1.6x :)

are you sure you want a 2x crop body? coz i came from 2x cropped dslrs and i'm surely happier now with the 1.6x :)

i don't..haha.im just curious =)

It's more to show motion like this (http://images.art.com/images/products/large/10109000/10109169.jpg) or this (http://images.scotsman.com/2003/05/12/1205eclb.jpg) or overlapping totally different images like these (http://shop.lomography.com/holga/galleries/?album=4) or these (http://www.adorama.com/catalog.tpl?op=academy&article=021405) for special effects rather than increasing dynamic range. :)

I think this would be a welcome feature for the MkIII and down the line as well. :)


Oh okay, I get it. Thanks Randall! That's a cool feature indeed. :)

Well, atleast it's a good sign your happy with what you have. :)

As for what I'd like to see added back is Canon's eye controlled AF (http://www.usa.canon.com/consumer/controller?act=CanonAdvantageTopicDtlAct&fcategoryid=111&id=2649) if ever it's possible. :D

Ah yes... eye-controlled focus. About three years ago I came across a rumor for a supposed EOS 3D - a digital version of the highly-acclaimed EOS 3. Rumor said that the 3D would have eye control and that it would eventually trickle down to the other mid-end EOS bodies. Sadly until now there is no digital EOS body with eye control.

Regarding the Ixus' face-recognition feature... I don't think I'm too keen on that on a 1-series body. I haven't really read the exact specs of that feature yet but sounds something I want on a point and shoot but not on a DSLR. That's just me. :D

february is coming...what could be the next surprise!

Oh okay, I get it. Thanks Randall! That's a cool feature indeed. :)

You can emulate multiple exposures using stroboscopic flash:

Stroboscopic flash fires the flash a number of times at high speed to capture multiple images of the same subject in the same photograph.

(From here (http://www.shortcourses.com/10D/flash.htm).)

So stroboscopic flash in this case is activated through 2nd curtain sync? :)

So stroboscopic flash in this case is activated through 2nd curtain sync? :)

No, I believe there is a separate mode for stroboscopic flash output in 550EX/580EX speedlites. I've had a 550EX for the longest time but I can't believe I never tried the stroboscopic mode. Will give it a spin when I have time.

Oh okay, shucks, was planning on playing with it using my old Sigma EF 500 DG ST. Thanks for the information though sir Nono. :)

The multi-exposure is gimmicky, but I guess it'll be fun to have, like the multi-strobe.



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I have a few more examples of stroboscopic flash HERE (http://pikol.blogspot.com/2006/10/katips-bar-with-up-49ers.html)

Going back to the topic, for those who are in the market for these cameras (not me, no $$$), I would think that I would want a cleaner ISO 3200 and above.

Stroboscopic flash with long exposures will emulate multiple exposures. Try it with a bouncing wall. The SB800 has this capability, and now, even the in-camera flash of the D200 can do this. Sweet.

Stroboscopic flash with long exposures will emulate multiple exposures. Try it with a bouncing wall.

Doc, where can I find a bouncing wall?:Shock:

Peace! :):D:Grin:

The multi-exposure is gimmicky, but I guess it'll be fun to have, like the multi-strobe.



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I have a few more examples of stroboscopic flash HERE (http://pikol.blogspot.com/2006/10/katips-bar-with-up-49ers.html)
Well, if its gimmicky, tell that to Tony Sweet and I'm sure he'll be able to show you the benefits and also guide you on how to properly use that muliple exposure feature creatively! :)

http://web.mac.com/tonysweetphoto/iWeb/TS_blog/Blog/BE3DDADB-6F2C-4ADA-BFAF-DB24FDEDD157.html

orlando,

my main "beef" is when camera manufacturers emphasize on features that are not useful to me. Things like face recognition, and dozens of AF points that i never use and yes, multi-exposure. I see Mr. Sweet has made some good use of this multi exposure feature, and kudos to him.

please don't be offended. when i said gimmicky, i meant that the multi exposure is not really an essential feature for me, and the effect of multi-exposure can be readily replicated in photoshop - in most cases with better results, because PS gives you more control. Of course, its not straight out of the camera.

I think that camera manufacturers should concentrate on other things - better high ISO performance and lower prices are on the top of my list.

orlando,

my main "beef" is when camera manufacturers emphasize on features that are not useful to me. Things like face recognition, and dozens of AF points that i never use and yes, multi-exposure. I see Mr. Sweet has made some good use of this multi exposure feature, and kudos to him.

please don't be offended. when i said gimmicky, i meant that the multi exposure is not really an essential feature for me, and the effect of multi-exposure can be readily replicated in photoshop - in most cases with better results, because PS gives you more control. Of course, its not straight out of the camera.

I think that camera manufacturers should concentrate on other things - better high ISO performance and lower prices are on the top of my list.

No offense taken bro.:Grin: Just purely statin the benefits of this feature! :)

I do agree that manufacturers should concentrate on the essential properties of a camera first, but I tend to disagree multiple exposures is a gimick since film based cameras, even point and shoot ones, can do multiple exposures. And I believe it played it's role as a creative movement in film photography.

As I see it, incorporating all the features and possibilities available on film cameras is the right step in perfecting the digital camera. It was easily available then, why not add it now when it's easily achievable?

Just my opinion. :)