Hello,


I'm just new to DPP, but there's an issue that has been lingering for a while now. It has been tackled before but I would like to reiterate it again. Just a quick observation to all of us.

Pictures are wonderful and inspirational, but isn't it wonderful if we can in someway put juice to our pictures. Right? It's getting utterly boring. I myself has fallen to this trap. Let's put 1 or 2 sentences plus EXIF to our photos in order to enlighten others of what we think of our subjects. I want to learn more...

I hope this will not offend anyone. Thank you.

Hello,

Pictures are wonderful and inspirational, but isn't it wonderful if we can in someway put juice to our pictures. Right? It's getting utterly boring. I myself has fallen to this trap. Let's put 1 or 2 sentences plus EXIF to our photos in order to enlighten others of what we think of our subjects. I want to learn more...

I hope this will not offend anyone. Thank you.



haha. I bet you've been browsing nikonians.org for some time now. I just signed up there recently.



No comment na nga lang ako. :Grin:

I concur.... for me EXIF data are a way for us to share with each other plus a short caption will do. I hope this can be compulsory in DPP. hehe...

Hello,


I'm just new to DPP, but there's an issue that has been lingering for a while now. It has been tackled before but I would like to reiterate it again. Just a quick observation to all of us.

Pictures are wonderful and inspirational, but isn't it wonderful if we can in someway put juice to our pictures. Right? It's getting utterly boring. I myself has fallen to this trap. Let's put 1 or 2 sentences plus EXIF to our photos in order to enlighten others of what we think of our subjects. I want to learn more...

I hope this will not offend anyone. Thank you.


I agree. A short caption will give further info or even insights to the viewer. As for the EXIF Data, these will truly help the newbies and even some not so newbies.

Cheers!:)

Some images will show their exif if you got viewer installed in your computer..

As per one of Randy's other posts (one in kit-lens shots) about actually juicing up our photos by saying a little something about them, whether it be on the technical or inspirational side, is something I'd want to start with this next post (hoping that it catches on. http://www.digitalphotographer.com.ph/forum/images/smilies/Drogar-Laugh%28DBG%29.gifhehe).

Take it this way, its one process of growth by giving everyone a chance to glimpse through the scope on which you honed you skills, patience and natural ability to actually capture what's at the other end. Good day! http://www.digitalphotographer.com.ph/forum/images/smilies/Drogar-Happy%28DBG%29.gif

Some images will show their exif if you got viewer installed in your computer..

or you can upload it to flickr, and it will tell you the details.

or you can upload it to flickr, and it will tell you the details.

thanks! I didn't know that! :)

i agree with this....when posting photos, i always (almost) put in a little background. like how/when i took the shot, etc...

exif is also a great "must-post" so that any one can learn the same technique. great for beginners also, like me :D

Frankly, EXIF isn't as important as most think it is. Exposure information has little bearing if the angle, quality, and color of light is different. You can take the exact same exif and take the same subject in the same location but turn the subject to a different direction where the light is falling and get a totally different image.

A descriptive intro prior to posting a photo for C&C will be very beneficial to both the photographer and the critique IMO.

A lot of times, there are rules that are intentionally broken for a certain purpose (such as motion blur, diffusion, etc) and without a proper description of purpose, it may be interpreted as "technically" wrong.

Amen to that sir David...:)

Frankly, EXIF isn't as important as most think it is. Exposure information has little bearing if the angle, quality, and color of light is different. You can take the exact same exif and take the same subject in the same location but turn the subject to a different direction where the light is falling and get a totally different image.



You're speaking the gospel, man!!!

Looking at other's exif is essentially useless if you're trying to learn photography. Just know your basic photography principles (e.g. shutter/aperture/iso relationship, bigger aperture=shallower DOF, etc.) and you'll just be fine...

Assuming you saw a great photo and have accessed its exif, eventhough you stand on the same spot, at the same time of the day, using the same exposure settings, there is still that possibility you won't be able to replicate that shot. Also, if you have lets say a Nikon camera, and try to use the exact same exposure settings (iso/tv/av) on another camera, sometimes the other camera is under or over exposes the scene. Tried it several times, and only 50% chance the two cameras have matches settngs...

As per what David said, EXIF isn't everything. I've usually posted my EXIFs every now and then. Sometimes I will, Sometimes I won't. Usually my photos spek for themselves, but whenever I do start a thread, I make sure that I give a brief narrative of the particular series of photos I would be shareing and then proceed to post my photos.

We all have to remember, that even if we manage to find the exact same spot and exact same settings that Ansel Adams used, we can never duplicate his most famous works, only reinterpret them as our own.

I agree with you guys with the EXIF, but that's not the only point...why do we post our works? for us to feel good? For others to criticize it? For others to give as good tips?or to just stare and be dumb founded by the bright colors. Honestly, I think most of us feel bad if someone notice a stain in our pictures.

My point is, for a beginner like me, we should be more expressing in our pictures "verbally". EXIF and others are more on the technical side. Me personally, I wanna taste some more flavors on the food that I'm eating....:)

I agree with you guys with the EXIF, but that's not the only point...why do we post our works? for us to feel good? For others to criticize it? For others to give as good tips?or to just stare and be damn founded by the bright colors. Honestly, I think most of us feel bad if someone notice a stain in our pictures.

My point is, for a beginner like me, we should be more expressing in our pictures "verbally". EXIF and others are more on the technical side. Me personally, I wanna taste some more flavors on the food that I'm eating....:)

Like I said, EXIF is only half the story, even if I gave you the complete breakdown of my workflow, it still wouldn't be the same if you tried to copy it. Just have a read at my sig below, it's the best piece of advice my mentor gave me over 6 years ago. Learning how to take criticism is a part of growing as a photographer, just because someone notices something bad doesn't mean your photos are horrible, it's their opinion and they're entitled to it. Just take it in stride and continue to improve.

Yes it would be nice to give a short narrative or explanation about your photos, but lets face it, not many people are good with words, so they chose to do it with their photos and in my book a truly good photo speaks volumes when composed properly even without the use of words. That has been my mantra, my motto, my drive.

Frankly, EXIF isn't as important as most think it is. Exposure information has little bearing if the angle, quality, and color of light is different. You can take the exact same exif and take the same subject in the same location but turn the subject to a different direction where the light is falling and get a totally different image.

A descriptive intro prior to posting a photo for C&C will be very beneficial to both the photographer and the critique IMO.

A lot of times, there are rules that are intentionally broken for a certain purpose (such as motion blur, diffusion, etc) and without a proper description of purpose, it may be interpreted as "technically" wrong.

wonderfully put!:D i guess its just my desire to better my technique sometimes gets me caught up with the technical side as it is the side that most beginners strive to grasp. so at least beginners should hope to match their capacity for composing and judging light with the proper technical know-how as to properly deliver their images. anyway all the masters here have contributed greatly to furthering whatever skills us beginners have here. so my thanks to you all. :

@ ken


I agree, but that's not an excuse...have you noticed lately? pick a thread and you'll see most of it just pictures. We should not settle ourselves on this behavior because its not a very good example to others. All I see is, "here's my share". blunt words.

We need to excel and to go beyond that realm...:)

Personally, I just like spreading my son's photos everywhere hahaha.

Personally, I just like spreading my son's photos everywhere hahaha.

Hahahaha! that's what you call a "loving father" sir David:D

Personally, I just like spreading my son's photos everywhere hahaha.

LOL! And I like posting pictures of my neice... whenever I get to see her. :D

I agree with you guys with the EXIF, but that's not the only point...why do we post our works? for us to feel good? For others to criticize it? For others to give as good tips?or to just stare and be damn founded by the bright colors. Honestly, I think most of us feel bad if someone notice a stain in our pictures.

My point is, for a beginner like me, we should be more expressing in our pictures "verbally". EXIF and others are more on the technical side. Me personally, I wanna taste some more flavors on the food that I'm eating....:)

Honestly, to be dumbfounded by bright lights... :D

Exifs are like those sample solutions you find in chemistry textbooks... Doesn't make much sense unless you really understand the principle/s behind.

Also, you do understand the exifs doesn't necessary reflect what the photo shows? If you Post process the photo in PS or some photo-editing software that doesn't show up in the exifs. So it might be over or under expose that what it really shows posted in the thread... And as we all know, around 90%+ are ppéd here before actually posted on the threads...

In fact, instead of looking at other's photo exif, why not check out your own exif. Check those that worked and which ones that didn't... That actually makes more sense...

I agree with Sir Ken and Sir David regarding EXIF data as not the be-all and end-all of a photo.

I just noticed something with this thread though. Isn’t titling this “Utterly Boring Threads” a bit, well, condescending of you? Do you mean to say that photos without EXIF data and/or an introduction are “absolutely boring”? I have been viewing photos here in the forum on a daily basis and I can say that a good photo can and/or should speak for itself.

Another thing, maybe you mean “dumbfounded” (not “damn founded”) and “For others to give "us" good tips? (not "as"). Please be careful next time.

And may I ask, do you practice what you preach? I viewed your “CA beach goers” thread and there is not even a single EXIF data stated there.

I agree with Sir Ken and Sir David regarding EXIF data as not the be-all and end-all of a photo.

I just noticed something with this thread though. Isn’t titling this “Utterly Boring Threads” a bit, well, condescending of you? Do you mean to say that photos without EXIF data and/or an introduction are “absolutely boring”? I have been viewing photos here in the forum on a daily basis and I can say that a good photo can and/or should speak for itself.

Another thing, maybe you mean “dumbfounded” (not “damn founded”) and “For others to give "us" good tips? (not "as"). Please be careful next time.

And may I ask, do you practice what you preach? I viewed your “CA beach goers” thread and there is not even a single EXIF data stated there.

i agree with kat. photos should tell the story. it doesnt matter if there is an intro or a description.

@ ken


I agree, but that's not an excuse...have you noticed lately? pick a thread and you'll see most of it just pictures. We should not settle ourselves on this behavior because its not a very good example to others. All I see is, "here's my share". blunt words.

We need to excel and to go beyond that realm...:)

Why does posting a photograph without any other words or description "not a very good example to others"?

The last time I checked, photography is under the visual arts category. A photograph or painting is already a form of communication between the photographer and the one viewing it.

The only problem that I see is if the viewer does not fully understand or appreciate the visual language or medium that photographers or artists in general are using. As Ken said, some people have a hard time expressing themselves in the verbal language and photography is a medium for them to communicate their ideas or experiences.

But that is not the latter's problem, it's up to the viewer to learn / study the said visual language. Reading basic visual art concepts like lighting, framing, vantage point, etc. is the key since not a lot of people are intrinsically left-brained or talented.

Lastly, a good image or photograph does not need a caption or description to "excel and go beyond that realm". If that is the case, kindly tell Leonardo da Vinci to put a small remark under the Mona Lisa to "excel".

I agree with Sir Ken and Sir David regarding EXIF data as not the be-all and end-all of a photo.

I just noticed something with this thread though. Isn’t titling this “Utterly Boring Threads” a bit, well, condescending of you? Do you mean to say that photos without EXIF data and/or an introduction are “absolutely boring”? I have been viewing photos here in the forum on a daily basis and I can say that a good photo can and/or should speak for itself.

Another thing, maybe you mean “dumbfounded” (not “damn founded”) and “For others to give "us" good tips? (not "as"). Please be careful next time.

And may I ask, do you practice what you preach? I viewed your “CA beach goers” thread and there is not even a single EXIF data stated there.

this post really caught my attention... I have to agree with her, sometimes there are photos which need no explanation...

I agree with Sir Ken and Sir David regarding EXIF data as not the be-all and end-all of a photo.

I just noticed something with this thread though. Isn’t titling this “Utterly Boring Threads” a bit, well, condescending of you? Do you mean to say that photos without EXIF data and/or an introduction are “absolutely boring”? I have been viewing photos here in the forum on a daily basis and I can say that a good photo can and/or should speak for itself.

Another thing, maybe you mean “dumbfounded” (not “damn founded”) and “For others to give "us" good tips? (not "as"). Please be careful next time.

And may I ask, do you practice what you preach? I viewed your “CA beach goers” thread and there is not even a single EXIF data stated there.


i agree.. sir ken and sir david already made a good point.. and yeah i also saw that CA beach goers thread hehehe :D

I agree with Sir Ken and Sir David regarding EXIF data as not the be-all and end-all of a photo.

I just noticed something with this thread though. Isn’t titling this “Utterly Boring Threads” a bit, well, condescending of you? Do you mean to say that photos without EXIF data and/or an introduction are “absolutely boring”? I have been viewing photos here in the forum on a daily basis and I can say that a good photo can and/or should speak for itself.

Another thing, maybe you mean “dumbfounded” (not “damn founded”) and “For others to give "us" good tips? (not "as"). Please be careful next time.

And may I ask, do you practice what you preach? I viewed your “CA beach goers” thread and there is not even a single EXIF data stated there.

i agree with kat. that a photo should tell a thousand words.

See Randy, I guess not all people find viewing photos "boring" :)


waitaminute.... lemme break out the kettle korn... :D

I agree with Sir Ken and Sir David regarding EXIF data as not the be-all and end-all of a photo.

I just noticed something with this thread though. Isn’t titling this “Utterly Boring Threads” a bit, well, condescending of you? Do you mean to say that photos without EXIF data and/or an introduction are “absolutely boring”? I have been viewing photos here in the forum on a daily basis and I can say that a good photo can and/or should speak for itself.

Another thing, maybe you mean “dumbfounded” (not “damn founded”) and “For others to give "us" good tips? (not "as"). Please be careful next time.

And may I ask, do you practice what you preach? I viewed your “CA beach goers” thread and there is not even a single EXIF data stated there.

Hehehehe! sorry about my wrong grammar. I'm not that good in english and probably sleepy already...Just like what i've said, i'm one of this guys. Thank you:) nothing personal. Everyone is entitled to his or her own opinion.:)

And may I ask, do you practice what you preach? I viewed your “CA beach goers” thread and there is not even a single EXIF data stated there.

Funny that you brought that up... imagine what kind of introduction is needed for those bikini shots...

:Grin:

I guess Randy will think Robert Frank's The Americans (his photo book taken across the US) would be boring...

There's no exif there... All photos back to back... My edition of that book shows a half-page intro and that's it... :)

Funny that you brought that up... imagine what kind of introduction is needed for those bikini shots...

:Grin:

This just cracks me up! :D

sir randy

i think that to appreciate art you have to feel the emotion that the photographer has/wants to tell the viewer. IMO

If I can only go back and put some words, but its too late. See, everyone can produce a thousand words in a minute. Why can't we put some on our pictures? :)

If I can only go back and put some words, but its too late. See, everyone can produce a thousand words in a minute. Why can't we put some on our pictures? :)

it is because we want our viewers to interpret the photo, and not just tell him/her that my photo is like this or like than. imagination is the key :)

If I can only go back and put some words, but its too late. See, everyone can produce a thousand words in a minute. Why can't we put some on our pictures? :)

because we are photographer/photo enthusiasts and not writers, lyricist, or novelists. we let the photo speak for themselves... who needs words when your photo can tell a story?!

If I can only go back and put some words, but its too late. See, everyone can produce a thousand words in a minute. Why can't we put some on our pictures? :)

Well.. mainly because this is a Photography Forum, a forum in where people shar Photos... which are visual media, which often do not require any verbal description or introduction. I really don't know what you are trying to convey here, but there are a thousand things I'd like to say about this thread and I doubt any of them will convince you so... here's a picture.

http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/funny-pictures-ocd-cat-is-disturbed-by-loose-threads1.jpg

If I can only go back and put some words, but its too late. See, everyone can produce a thousand words in a minute. Why can't we put some on our pictures? :)


so why didnt you put some on those pictures you posted at the "CA beach goers"?

Oh Randy! i can make a cover in a few minutes. Would you like one?

Hmnn.... what would be an interesting headline?...

I'm sleepy, Obama is making me watch CNN forever. A popcorn thread is just what i need to continue my day...

so why didnt you put some on those pictures you posted at the "CA beach goers"?


Chard,

I can't edit it anymore. :)

Oh Randy! i can make a cover in a few minutes. Would you like one?

Hmnn.... what would be an interesting headline?...

I'm sleepy, Obama is making me watch CNN forever. A popcorn thread is just what i need to continue my day...

I was wondering when you'd show up. :D

Oh Randy! i can make a cover in a few minutes. Would you like one?

Hmnn.... what would be an interesting headline?...

I'm sleepy, Obama is making me watch CNN forever. A popcorn thread is just what i need to continue my day...

Hahahaha! no thanks! :D

Chard,

I can't edit it anymore. :)


why didnt you post them in the first place? you're the one complaining that photos here are "boring" because they dont have exif's and a story..

Hahahaha! no thanks! :D

Oh Come on Randy... This is gonna be fun... Its not like you'll be stung or somethin', just a good moment's fun and for all of us Merry Men.. We all have one common ground. We just want some fun sometimes.

why didnt you post them in the first place? you're the one complaining that photos here are "boring" because they dont have exif's and a story..

Read the very first page of this thread:)

If I can only go back and put some words, but its too late. See, everyone can produce a thousand words in a minute. Why can't we put some on our pictures? :)

There is a reason why photography is classified under visual arts, and why prose is under literary arts.

Visual arts, as the term suggests, should be able to appeal to the sense of sight. Literary arts appeal to the intellect. But these could very well be meshed together to give us a wonderful intellectual experience.

A short introduction to a photo won’t hurt, I agree. But wouldn’t it be nice if, aside from a photo being able to speak for itself, we can let our imaginations run wild while viewing a photo?

Ergo, words can help, but images linger. A good photo of the skies can make you feel like you can reach for the heavens. A good photo of food can make you taste its array of flavors. That’s how strong images are.

looks like the photography bandwagon is here..

to take the boredom away.. :D

we're not going back to the C2 pic again right?

@ Kikoy - sorry bro, I'm fresh out of C2. :) haha!

@ Marlo - My kettle korn is done... but I'm still drawing a blank...

how's about another cat? or dog?

http://ihasahotdog.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/funny-dog-pictures-dog-thinks-the-room-is-spinning.jpg

There is a reason why photography is classified under visual arts, and why prose is under literary arts.

Visual arts, as the term suggests, should be able to appeal to the sense of sight. Literary arts appeal to the intellect. But this could very well be meshed together to give us a wonderful intellectual experience.

A short introduction to a photo won’t hurt, I agree. But wouldn’t it be nice if, aside from a photo being able to speak for itself, we can let our imaginations run wild while viewing a photo?

Ergo, words can help, but images linger. A good photo of the skies can make you feel like you can reach for the heavens A good photo of food can make you taste its array of flavors. That’s how strong images are.

well said....

There is a reason why photography is classified under visual arts, and why prose is under literary arts.

Visual arts, as the term suggests, should be able to appeal to the sense of sight. Literary arts appeal to the intellect. But this could very well be meshed together to give us a wonderful intellectual experience.

A short introduction to a photo won’t hurt, I agree. But wouldn’t it be nice if, aside from a photo being able to speak for itself, we can let our imaginations run wild while viewing a photo?

Ergo, words can help, but images linger. A good photo of the skies can make you feel like you can reach for the heavens A good photo of food can make you taste its array of flavors. That’s how strong images are.

I agree, I'm not saying that you must write one whole page just to express your pictures.:) let's not exaggerate.:D

looks like the photography bandwagon is here..

to take the boredom away.. :D

we're not going back to the C2 pic again right?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAhahahaaa... This made me laugh loud!!!

Is this what you do besides photography? Let's have a positive arguements please.:)

Is this what you do besides photography? Let's have a positive arguements please.:)

hahahaha!!!! yah? LOL we are giving positive arguments. its not us who has a problem...

guys lets stick to the thread title. so how do we spice up a thread?? haha

@ Randy - What other arguments are there to make?

As the saying goes: "A picture is worth a thousand words"

Taking that in to context, as well as this being a photography forum, I doubt you'll find anyone who agrees with you.

You see photography is an expression of the mind and heart just as is literature. What people cannot convey through words, they do through images, what people cannot convey through imagery, they do with words and so on and so forth.

It's really hard enough for people to muster up enough guts to post their photos here without getting hammered on by critics, it's even harder to suggest they say a little something each and everytime. As with what I've said a while ago, a brief description on your first OR second post will help set the mood and go a long way, BUT you have to understand that this is a forum where words are a double edged sword, ythey can both praise and scar.

Yes there are other things I do besides photography, but in a photography forum you tend to just go with the subject matter.. Pictures! Just look at the forum name, it says it all there; Digital Photographer Philippines. I know some photography classes require you to say a little something about your photo, but saying nothing isn't necessarily a bad thing.

Is this what you do besides photography? Let's have a positive arguements please.:)

Are you the same Randy Imperial that stated in another thread that Jpeg has more data than a raw file???

that was a funny thread too... hehehe... :Grin:

Are you the same Randy Imperial that stated in another thread that Jpeg has more data than a raw file???

that was a funny thread too... hehehe... :Grin:

Now where was I when that happened?? Were there magazine covers too? :Scared:

Nobody's exaggerating about the issue. It's just that each of us has his or her own way of conveying our thoughts. Maybe the clincher of your post is categorizing photos without EXIF data and introductory sentences as utterly boring.

@kentamayo
you forgot to post the EXIF of the dog photo.. :)

Are you the same Randy Imperial that stated in another thread that Jpeg has more data than a raw file???

that was a funny thread too... hehehe... :Grin:


hahaha i remember reading that thread! :D

@ Randy - What other arguments are there to make?

As the saying goes: "A picture is worth a thousand words"

Taking that in to context, as well as this being a photography forum, I doubt you'll find anyone who agrees with you.

You see photography is an expression of the mind and heart just as is literature. What people cannot convey through words, they do through images, what people cannot convey through imagery, they do with words and so on and so forth.

It's really hard enough for people to muster up enough guts to post their photos here without getting hammered on by critics, it's even harder to suggest they say a little something each and everytime. As with what I've said a while ago, a brief description on your first OR second post will help set the mood and go a long way, BUT you have to understand that this is a forum where words are a double edged sword, ythey can both praise and scar.

Yes there are other things I do besides photography, but in a photography forum you tend to just go with the subject matter.. Pictures! Just look at the forum name, it says it all there; Digital Photographer Philippines. I know some photography classes require you to say a little something about your photo, but saying nothing isn't necessarily a bad thing.


The only point I want to make is, when you post some pictures, like for example a beautiful beach at least somebody would like to know where you've taken that pictures and not only admire the beauty of the pictures itself. That's it.

Peeps... its getting hot in here, and i need coffee....
commercial time.

http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee317/v8designstudio/thinkMag1.jpg

I admit, I made a mistake...everyone does.

I was in the learning process and still is. Now your making fun of me. That's fine. If that's how you want to represent yourselves that fine. :)

The only point I want to make is, when you post some pictures, like for example a beautiful beach at least somebody would like to know where you've taken that pictures and not only admire the beauty of the pictures itself. That's it.

Well, from the way you started your thread, that's not what I thought. And besides, isn't that what I said when I replied the first time? I think for the rest of us in DPP who've been here for a while know that the most commonly asked questions are: Where was the photo taken, what settings did you use, etc. To tell you the truth, most photography galleries don't even tell you where the photo was taken, yet sometimes it will evoke a sense of awe and wonder and not be boring.

So what if I'll post a photo and just type in "My share"? Does that affect the quality of the photo? I don't think so.

Well, from the way you started your thread, that's not what I thought? And besides, isn't that what I said when I replied the first time? I think for the rest of us in DPP who've been here for a while know that the most commonly asked questions are: Where was the photo taken, what settings did you use, etc. To tell you the truth, most photography galleries don't even tell you where the photo was taken, yet sometimes it will evoke a sense of awe and wonder and not be boring.

So what if I'll post a photo and just type in "My share"? Does that affect the quality of the photo? I don't think so.

No, It does not. But I would like to know some details.:)

No, It does not. But I would like to know some details.:)


Then you should ask for it ;)

No, It does not. But I would like to know some details.:)

i think you have ask a question by just posting in in the thread where he posted the image.

Here's another angle... Hundreds of members post their images "just to share", I'm one of them...

Out of the hundreds of photos present in one thread, I'm sure not all of them will interest a single viewer. If there was one image that I really liked among 100 pages of posted images, for example, can't I just send the guy a PM and ask him for his insights for that photo?

That'd be much easier and realistic, really, than expect every single photo to be accompanied with an Echivarre-like narration (http://digitalphotographer.com.ph/forum/showthread.php?t=15076), because honestly, not a lot of people can do that.

No, It does not. But I would like to know some details.:)

Ah yes, but that's human nature. Being inquisitive....

Again, not putting shooting info and location in does not mean it's boring, maybe the shooter does not want to share his/her secret shooting spot or maybe he/she forgot? who knows?

When Da Vinci painted the Mona Lisa, he did not mention what type of oils he used, where it was painted nor what he was feeling at the time, but the Mona Lisa is FAR from being boring. I hope you understand at what I'm getting at, not all great works of art have an EXIF file, they're just awesome the way they are. That's also half the fun in developing your skill.

I'm just raising some ensights.:) No need to raise my previous mistake coz its not necessary. I paid my due for that... This is getting personal. I apologize if I offended someone and if some of you feel that I'm a disease spreading in this forum. Then feel free to cast me out.:)

Randy, no one is casting you out. We realize you had good intentions when you started the thread, but you do realize that information although necessary to some is garbage to others. Just think about the highlighted phrase for a bit and then reflect on your thread.

Randy, no one is casting you out. We realize you had good intentions when you started the thread, but you do realize that information although necessary to some is garbage to others. Just think about the highlighted phrase for a bit and then reflect on your thread.
I know but this is supposed to be a healthy conversation and not a bastusan

i'd have to agree with randy... it doesn't hurt to have a short description of your photo, why and where you took it, and why you find it "visually" appealing, even a short caption or title goes a long way... tis a regular practice in photojourn.


but i'd have to admit, when i started here, i used to put long captions & descriptions on my photos, even complete exifs... but got tired of doing it since nobody seemed to care, or perhaps it was just my crappy writting (or worst, my crappy photos) :D


@kat fernando... geez pointing out grammatical errors is such a low blow, as if you didn't get the point randy was trying to make, get off your high horse.

Well for the sake of less "bastusan" I move that the mods close this thread soon, this already turned in to a pseudo flame-fest, we don't want it to get any worse.

I know but this is supposed to be a healthy conversation and not a bastusan

yes, i agree. we all make mistakes. we all started from nothing. lets move on...

Well for the sake of less "bastusan" I move that the mods close this thread soon, this already turned in to a pseudo flame-fest, we don't want it to get any worse.

i agree!

point from both sides have been said and understood by all. it might just become another flame-fest(as from ken).

oh come on....
Lets not make this a flamefest peeps.
There is so much energy here. So much to learn.
So many inputs, can't argue this is an important thread.

Lets keep it alive.

So.... lets divide the house for the sake of more inputs.

If this is how you want to play thats fine, but mind you, I can tell to anybody that some of the members here are bastos. Some of you are not very nice. I Didn't name anybody in this forum. In fact, I read in one of the old forums here that the topic is just like this. Some of the old members have the same views as me. I made a harsh comment, Im sorry for that...I also apologize for my grammatical errors.:)

Divide the house into 2 :

Left cheek : Just look, no details.
Right cheek : Show it, explain it.

is that butt cheek?

sooo... where do the neutral people go?


:Grin:

Divide the house into 2 :

Left cheek : Just look, no details.
Right cheek : Show it, explain it.

Marlo,

You seems to be a nice guy, but you don't represent DPP in healthy way. This is an int'l forum pa namn. Grow up.:Thinking:

Some of my friends are looking at this...and write now they are dismayed. They want to join pa naman. THANKS!!!

Marlo,

You seems to be a nice guy, but you don't represent DPP in healthy way. This is an int'l forum pa namn. Grow up.:Thinking:

Don't take Marlo too seriously bro, take it from me, we've had our run-ins. :)

ok boys and girls, please behave. malapit na ang valentines

Cool it Randy da man! no need to burn the brows.
What you've started here is quite enlightening, and entertaining as well. You're the lead actor, the rest are well.... would never get an Oscar award anyway.

So keep your feet steady and move with the blows, the jabs aren't painful at all, the results are most rewarding really.

We're all in this together.

Fight!

randy can you post some pictures and see which helps best :) the one with a description the one without :)

Cool it Randy da man! no need to burn the brows.
What you've started here is quite enlightening, and entertaining as well. You're the lead actor, the rest are well.... would never get an Oscar award anyway.

So keep your feet steady and move with the blows, the jabs aren't painful at all, the results are most rewarding really.

We're all in this together.

Fight!

Nope the harm is done. This is the second time...I want to befriend you guys, but I have to think again...

randy can you post some pictures and see which helps best :) the one with a description the one without :)

Come on! don't change places...:) keep the fire going dude...

Cool it Randy da man! no need to burn the brows.
What you've started here is quite enlightening, and entertaining as well. You're the lead actor, the rest are well.... would never get an Oscar award anyway.

So keep your feet steady and move with the blows, the jabs aren't painful at all, the results are most rewarding really.

We're all in this together.

Fight!

yes marlo hahaha we are just enjoying the view LOL hahahaha

Come on! don't change places...:) keep the fire going dude...
i just want to see if the "information" really helps and is it really a need. if it is then i would really suggest it. if not well we have to go on with our life haha

Marlo,

You seems to be a nice guy, but you don't represent DPP in healthy way. This is an int'l forum pa namn. Grow up.:Thinking:

Upper cut well taken...

I tell yah, most of you are just one big bullies! wrong spelling please correct me!

You're all one hell of a photographers!!!

enough already.

put your wonderful minds and test your english proficiency skills on some other thread. be productive people.

Here's another angle... Hundreds of members post their images "just to share", I'm one of them...

Out of the hundreds of photos present in one thread, I'm sure not all of them will interest a single viewer. If there was one image that I really liked among 100 pages of posted images, for example, can't I just send the guy a PM and ask him for his insights for that photo?

That'd be much easier and realistic, really, than expect every single photo to be accompanied with an Echivarre-like narration (http://digitalphotographer.com.ph/forum/showthread.php?t=15076), because honestly, not a lot of people can do that.

I was just about to state RE on this thread.

Oh boy, I just can't agree more David. That travel light series is just one helluva thread because of the prose that comes with it. But but but ... look at da man's photos. Even without the "chicken soup for the photographic soul" dose of prose type-o-thing, the photos narrate on their own. Sometimes, it really pays to stare at the photos for quite a long period of time to digest and feel the resonance as to "why" the photographer captured that scene. What was the intention? What are the elements that make it far more interesting than the usual? What was the message? Even without a thought embedded onto it.

Isn't it cool to learn that way? Once you had a clear understanding on the message of the photographer in his/her pictures without reading a word, then I bet it'll have a great impact as well on how you will execute your next shutter actuations. Which will eventually make you think about forgetting captions in photos the next time you post them. At any rate, I think it is a great way to "fish" for some input from the community. That way, you will know when somebody replied to your post and reacted on what your photos' message is all about, then you'll soon have a smile on your face because the viewers somehow "understands" the "PHOTOGRAPH" that you have just taken.

You should have had this stopped awhile ago.

So what would be more helpful huh?

This:
http://kentamayo.smugmug.com/photos/435721121_ucYWk-L.jpg

or

http://kentamayo.smugmug.com/photos/435720969_C48hs-L.jpg

Camera: D40
Lens: AF 85 f/1.8 D (full manual)
Exposure time: 1/80s
Aperture: f/2.8
ISO: 400
Exposure mode: Manual
Location: University of Perpetual Help System Laguna, Gymnasium, Binan, Laguna


Both shots were taken at the same day, same time, different settings, both full manual.

You know Randy, i got burned myself. Check the threads. Search it, the "6k Photographer".

This ain't about you my friend. This is about the thread you started. A forum where we all speak our thoughts. This is beyond your personality. This is an encyclopedia of thoughts that are being written as we all speak our minds.

Ask your questions. Speak your thoughts, no one gets hurt that way. You belong here and you know that.

Don't spill your beans on me, i'm a very nice guy. If i'm not healthy, thank you, that's what my wife tells me as well.

I can be your best friend Randy.

Round One.

@ken... it would have been nice to mention the name of the band (and event) too :)

You know Randy, i got burned myself. Check the threads. Search it, the "6k Photographer".

This ain't about you my friend. This is about the thread you started. A forum where we all speak our thoughts. This is beyond your personality. This is an encyclopedia of thoughts that are being written as we all speak our minds.

Ask your questions. Speak your thoughts, no one gets hurt that way. You belong here and you know that.

Don't spill your beans on me, i'm a very nice guy. If i'm not healthy, thank you, that's what my wife tells me as well.

I can be your best friend Randy.

Round One.


Oh yah, check what you've written a while ago...

@ marlo,

We're not kids anymore. We are professionals. Next time be nice. It won't hurt I tell yah. Put yourself in my shoe? You think it will make you happy? I'm proud of you guys! that's why I'm here...no other sites here in the US as active as this one.

http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g314/electronics330/IMGP7984.jpg



File Name: IMGP7984.jpg (rename)
.jpg ok cancel

File Size: 40 kb - 640 x 426

Camera Make: PENTAX Corporation

Camera Model: PENTAX K100D

Date/Time: 2008:12:06 13:15:40

Resolution: 640 x 426

Flash Used: No

Focal Length: 50.0mm (35mm equivalent: 75mm...

Exposure Time: 0.0040 s (1/250)

ISO Equiv.: 400

Whitebalance: Auto

Metering Mode: spot

Exposure: Manual

Exposure Mode: Manual

Exposure Mode: Auto bracketing

I can feel you got hurt Randy, and you make punches as well.
But i would refuse to believe that you can not take the punches of our fellow photogs here.

I will take your punches Randy, i'm fine with that.

Will you ate least take the others'?

Lemme show you something my friend.
This one's for you.

http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee317/v8designstudio/thinkMag2.jpg

did my exif help in capturing the image? it did not why? because the at an instant you wont be able to remember what setting was posted on the net. the other week when you have the chance to shoot.

IMO

I better get some sleep now. This is getting utterly boring.:)

I better get some sleep now. This is getting utterly boring.:)

this is the most effective reply i have ever seen in this whole thread.
i think it's as simple as this, really.

if you notice a thread is getting utterly boring for your taste, then leave it.

I better get some sleep now. This is getting utterly boring.:)

have a good one! :)

not bored at all.. ill be following this thread.. :)

@ken... it would have been nice to mention the name of the band (and event) too :)

Rocksteddy during Globes 24/7 24-ever campus tour.

did my exif help in capturing the image? it did not why? because the at an instant you wont be able to remember what setting was posted on the net. the other week when you have the chance to shoot.

IMO


no it does not... sure the image provokes thought.... but then again, i'm asking myself... what is that man doing there? is he a protester looking into a DAR office? or a farmer waiting to get paid for his recent rice delivery? is he peeking inside your house trying to watch a pacquiao match? IMO your photo is nice but it does not tell me the complete story behind it... hence the need for words.

Are we on round two Randy?

Lets continue the thread topic. What time is it there?

Let me see through you for a while.
You've been practicing photography for a few years now, 3 maybe 4 maybe more years.
You've made your images, and seeks to find more ways to improve. You buy books and magazines and you find very little information there that you need because those things you already know. You do however, appreciate the captions you see under the images you look at. This makes you belong there. Like a book.

Then you have a life online.
you share your passions and your interests. You make comments and you ask questions. Other people's photos interest you, but you feel the images are voided because there are no captions to go with them.

Hence, the thread.

It's a simple thing Randy.

no it does not... sure the image provokes thought.... but then again, i'm asking myself... what is that man doing there? is he a protester looking into a DAR office? or a farmer waiting to get paid for his recent rice delivery? is he peeking inside your house trying to watch a pacquiao match? IMO your photo is nice but it does not tell me the complete story behind it... hence the need for words.

I intended the shot to play in your mind something open ended. as you can see you gave a lot of question regarding the photo. in a way it lets you think.

I intended the shot to play in your mind something open ended. as you can see you gave a lot of question regarding the photo. in a way it lets you think.


yes... and that's what everybody else is thinking... but in reality i would have just passed by your photo and not care... but then if it had a small caption or was a series of photos, say a combination of tight and environmental shots then i would have gotten the point.


for example ken's post... the band... yeah sure the photo is cool! the exif doesn't help much unless i was trying to figure out what metering mode he was using... but would it have hurt to include the band's name and event in first place?

yes i'm over simplifying. but words help.

Everybody understands your point Randy, and so do i.

http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee317/v8designstudio/thinkMag3-1.jpg

You are interested in the caption to fulfill your perception of the image.
And that is where you flagged.

Well, Kevin Carter did kill himself after that photo...

flag 3 (flhttp://img.tfd.com/hm/GIF/abreve.gifg)intr.v. flagged, flag·ging, flags

1. To hang limply; droop.
2. To decline in vigor or strength: The conversation flagged.

[Possibly of Scandinavian origin; akin to Old Norse flögra, to flap about.]


*i'm a dumb@ss* i had to google that one :Grin:

Well, Kevin Carter did kill himself after that photo...

Hahaha David, yes and also after a few more. He's had troubles creating captions for images, so he just took images that needs no captioning.

yes... and that's what everybody else is thinking... but in reality i would have just passed by your photo and not care... but then if it had a small caption or was a series of photos, say a combination of tight and environmental shots then i would have gotten the point.


for example ken's post... the band... yeah sure the photo is cool! the exif doesn't help much unless i was trying to figure out what metering mode he was using... but would it have hurt to include the band's name and event in first place?

yes i'm over simplifying. but words help.

haha ok ok point taken. as for the arguments sake. we sometimes need captions but not all the time. :)

Well, Kevin Carter did kill himself after that photo...


i wouldn't really blame him with all the horror he'd seen :(

Well, Kevin Carter did kill himself after that photo...

it might be a case of Post Trauma Stress Reaction
too bad there was no psychological debriefing yet at that time
it affects everybody,the symptoms maybe insidous but it can become worse thru the years and can linger

Oh yah, check what you've written a while ago...

Randy, i couldn't find anything on the thread before this post that i've written to afford your angst. Ken is actually more pointed, hahaha. But that's fine.

So are we on Round 3?

Randy, no offense meant, but IMHO, if you conveyed your message in a manner not like the one you have used in the first place, then replies here may not have reached the "kabastusan" mode you are referring to.

IMO, calling posts or threads wich bear no exif or caption/narrative description "utterly boring" might be a little bit uncalled for.

Depending on the photo, and the context of the thread, your suggestion might be or might not be valid. There are photos which will stand all by itself, there are those that need a short description in order to bring context to the imagery, and then there are those that are called for to have exif data stated because some might be interested in the technical aspect of the photo.

But then your reality is that you find photos with no exif or description utterly boring, then ask the poster for it, otherwise, some of us might not want or need to have those (Me just want to look at the pretty pictures:Grin:)

I am not an expert of the subject matter, but personally every photo should have its story, and a photo can be interpreted by 101 ways, and sometimes WORDS cannot express those interpretations.

Analogy(for the eye).

A painting by a known or unknown artist need not to explain nor elaborate their masterful work. The painting speaks for itself and can be interpreted differently by different people.

I find it no difference in interpreting paintings and photographs. The only thing defer between the two is how it was imagined or perceived(composition) by the artist/painter(photographer).

In conclusion, there is no boring work for an artisan. Each image has its own story to tell and a drama to be told.

hmmmm....i think it'll just depend on the one posting the photo. if he/she feels the need to post caption, background, title, exif, etc... then ok and good. if he/she doesn't want to, ok and good also :D

i have posted photos with and without words, and personally, i don't see any difference among my posts. :D photos with and without words both tell stories the same way, the only difference is how each and everyone interprets that.

Randy, don't take us wrong, man... we totally get you.
but then again, calling threads that are mostly populated with "my share..." or caption-less and EXIF-less images is uncalled for, just as this thread is uncalled for. why is this thread uncalled for? because you could've just done two simple things:

1. if it's getting boring, leave the thread
2. if the image interests you but leaves you unsatisfied, ask

people shouldn't be forced to post EXIF or create narrations on the images they post

i was glued to this thread for minutes now. cest la vie randy... were all different. nobody took this one personally i believe. after all, its just a thread, it doesn't define who you are as a person.

there's so much more to life! more shots to take! cheer up now...:D

For me the thread in DPP is not boring at all.... just read some thread you will see comedy, action and most of all DRAMA....

This thread you started is the most boring thread in DPP.

And why should the poster/photographer put description on its photo?
The picture itself is already a story, an adventure, and tells a thousand words
just by looking at it. I don't know if you have that kind of imagination man.

This thread is BORING as you already said, BORING AS IT IS to its end.

Take a break.

Are you the same Randy Imperial that stated in another thread that Jpeg has more data than a raw file???

that was a funny thread too... hehehe... :Grin:

Melvin,

I think you went overboard man. This is not necessary. I don't deserve a second slap on my face. As I've said. I paid my dew...give it a rest! If you find this funny well then for me its not. Grow up.

moderators had already said to cool it down, if not downright stop the dramatics. this thread is not a healthy and educational discussion anymore. please consider this as fair warning.

i was glued to this thread for minutes now. cest la vie randy... were all different. nobody took this one personally i believe. after all, its just a thread, it doesn't define who you are as a person.

there's so much more to life! more shots to take! cheer up now...:D

I agree, we're all different. The thing is, my full name is all around this forum. It doesn't define me as a person? really? Then you think we're just all playing around here. Arguement is fun, but attacked like what melvin did is too much.. Yah we're not all the same.