What printer do you recommend? [Archive] - Digital Photographer Philippines

Nick Tuason

11-07-2006, 08:11 PM

guys, since we're discussing this, is the PIXMA PRO 9000 any good? how does the claria ink compare to the dye inks of the pixma pro 9000?

i'm considering getting one and i'd appreciate inputs regarding this... help me make the right choice pls.

There are no reports of the Claria inkset here because the model has yet to be released although I know that Japan and the US have just started using them. Epson should have several sizes of printers for the Claria ink. Claria is supposed to last quite long for a dye ink and is reported to even be water proof. This I gotta see for my very own eyes. Per Randy Kanapi, Epson will indeed carry the A3+ model here. Most likey we will see it by December.

As for the Canon 9000, we got to test drive the machine last week. There isn't much negative to say about this printer. If you stick with Canon papers you will be in great shape. If you like to experiment, fine tuning the print on a paper is quite easy with their new Pattern Printing option. The only thing you don't know is longevity using third party media. We had very good and even great output on non-Canon papers. However, some of these prints would run under water. The Canon media was fine. For Black and White printing, the 9000 only has one black so it relies on this ink to make its grayscale. I was expecting to see strong color casts but on matt papers the results were quite good. Glossy papers had a magenta cast but this again could be fine tuned with the Pattern Printing option.

Its a tough call on what printer to go with. I don't think you can go wrong with either the Epson or the Canon.

One question: What do you plan to use the printer for? Personal? Or do you plan to sell the prints? Print for weddings? Those are also serious considerations.

martin_cp_valeriano

11-08-2006, 06:54 PM

x x x One question: What do you plan to use the printer for? Personal? Or do you plan to sell the prints? Print for weddings? Those are also serious considerations.

I think for me, if i have to sell multiple prints for events, i'll contract the photolab to do that...

However, for my wedding shoot prints, portfolio prints, or prints for special needs, i'm thinking to get my own printer... for the reason that i can presumably maintain control of the output and produce prints the way i want them.

You think it's a good idea Nick? How about the rest, what do u think? shall it be worth the money, time, and effort?

Jo Avila

11-08-2006, 08:37 PM

I'm still awaiting delivery of my Canon Pro 9000. Canon Marketing Philippines told me that my unit is stuck in customs along with the rest of their stuff.

Jo Avila

11-15-2006, 06:19 PM

Today is a joyous day. Canon Marketing Philippines called me up. I can already pick up my Canon Pro 9000 by tomorrow :D

Whooooopeeeeeee!

martin_cp_valeriano

11-15-2006, 07:25 PM

CONGRATS :) kindly let us know how it'll perform.. i'm sure you'll be doing much testing and tweaking tonight

JonDexterTan

11-15-2006, 07:26 PM

woweee! Jo congratulations! may I ask how much you got it for?

dex

ps. check out my sig ;)

JPSarmenta

11-16-2006, 02:26 AM

Today is a joyous day. Canon Marketing Philippines called me up. I can already pick up my Canon Pro 9000 by tomorrow :D

Whooooopeeeeeee!

hahaha! sir jo sarap ng bagong printer ah! sure ba na may kasamang profiles na yan? or hihintayin niyo ulit like last time? hehehe!

hochi_abaya

11-16-2006, 10:01 AM

@ Jo - the delay in customs was caused by a strike by the customs personnel against the customs commissioner

As to printers, anyone have any experience with the Canon Pixma iP1200? I recently bought a desktop unit and this unit came with the package.

Thanks!

Nick Tuason

11-17-2006, 03:54 PM

I think for me, if i have to sell multiple prints for events, i'll contract the photolab to do that...

However, for my wedding shoot prints, portfolio prints, or prints for special needs, i'm thinking to get my own printer... for the reason that i can presumably maintain control of the output and produce prints the way i want them.

You think it's a good idea Nick? How about the rest, what do u think? shall it be worth the money, time, and effort?

Martin--wedding photos because of the volume are best reserved for the lab. For personal work, you really have to consider a professional printer. I would recommend the new A3 printers rather than the A4. Once you buy the A4 you'll quickly want the larger size. Canon 9000 as Jo Avila is a good choice. Also, be on the lookout for the Claria inkset of the Epsons too.

Jo Avila

11-17-2006, 10:42 PM

I've already tested it. Canon loaned me a demo unit for a week two months ago :D

CONGRATS :) kindly let us know how it'll perform.. i'm sure you'll be doing much testing and tweaking tonight

Jo Avila

11-17-2006, 10:43 PM

Nice sig. I already have the table waiting. What I forgot to purchase was the damn USB cable :D

The Canon Pro 9000 has a SRP of P32,995.00

woweee! Jo congratulations! may I ask how much you got it for?

dex

ps. check out my sig ;)

Jo Avila

11-17-2006, 10:44 PM

May kasama na :D I think. It's still sealed in the box. I'm busy choosing which images to print first. Canon even gave me samples of their new archival paper for evaluation purposes :D

hahaha! sir jo sarap ng bagong printer ah! sure ba na may kasamang profiles na yan? or hihintayin niyo ulit like last time? hehehe!

Jo Avila

11-17-2006, 11:29 PM

@ Nick

I got your test message earlier today. I'll post my review of the Canon Pro 9000 as soon as I finish printing some stockpiled images.

I also bought inkjet canvas from Sketchbook. I've been wanting to try it out. I want to see how it will come out when used with the Pro 9000. This is part of the paper stock that I want to bring to you for profiling :D

Nick Tuason

11-20-2006, 09:08 AM

Jo got a new toy. I think you will be reallly impressed with that machine. I printed a few Parc Cruz photos with it just to see if it could reach the colors in Parc's images, and the Pro 9000 simply nailed it.

I assume the canvas you bought at Sketchbooks was the Fredrix.

enjoy_gaw

11-20-2006, 03:08 PM

I've been using the epson large format 9600 printer for a number of years, have been very satisfied with color accuracy, speed and durability and compatibility with all sorts of papers. It's just a workhorse of a printer. Highly recommended.

But hearing Nick wax rhapsodic about the (8 color) canon pro 9000, i just can't help but think how much better could the new printer print. I guess Technology marches forward and soon i guess, well have prints just as good or even better than our Monitors.

Anyway, looking forward to the review of the Canon printer.
Then again there are now these 12 color printers coming out.
I just hope my eyes have a wide enough gamut to see all the improvements.

Jo Avila

11-20-2006, 03:23 PM

Yup. I bought the Fredrix. I've been putting off purchasing them because they were only available in A3. But Sketchbook already started offering the Fredrix canvas in A4 by the time I got my printer. So I stocked up on both A3 and A4 :D

I was already impressed when I product tested it prior to its soft launch at the Canon 400d product launch. Of course, using the Colorvision Spyder makes it so much easier - I don't have to second guess what the printer will produce since my display is already providing a fairly accurate preview of the output.

Jo got a new toy. I think you will be reallly impressed with that machine. I printed a few Parc Cruz photos with it just to see if it could reach the colors in Parc's images, and the Pro 9000 simply nailed it.

I assume the canvas you bought at Sketchbooks was the Fredrix.

Nick Tuason

11-20-2006, 03:46 PM

I don't think we will see printers ever surpass the gamut you see on your monitor for some time.

If I am not mistaken, a good printer can cover around 70% of the Adobe RGB gamut so I think that there is still quite a way to go. I have a 4000 so we should be getting around the same output on matte papers as the 9600. But the 7800 we use just kills the 4000 for glossy printing. I don't think the new 12-ink printers extend the gamut as much as people think. I believe it still goes down to dye vs pigment. You just can't beat the gamut and saturation of the dyes and that's what makes the Canon 9000 work. Epson's Claria dyes hit our market very soon, and the early reports are excellent. 2006 was the year for printers.

jill_santiago

11-20-2006, 04:35 PM

Nice sig. I already have the table waiting. What I forgot to purchase was the damn USB cable :D

The Canon Pro 9000 has a SRP of P32,995.00

Hi Sir Jo!

Actually the SRP of the PIXMA Pro 9000 is just Php29,950. :D

Glad to hear you're having fun with it!

Nick Tuason

11-20-2006, 05:04 PM

Then even better. We listed the printer at P32,995 in Issue 06 so if anyone reads this, error on our part. The rating though still stands. :) I believe we gave it a 92%. Its a great machine. Jo Avila and I just got off the phone and we were discussing again how good this printer really is.

Hi Sir Jo!

Actually the SRP of the PIXMA Pro 9000 is just Php29,950. :D

Glad to hear you're having fun with it!

enjoy_gaw

11-21-2006, 09:33 AM

I checked around and there were previous 8 color canon printers such as the i9950. Quality wise, would the Pro 9000 be a significant improvement of the previous?

Jo Avila

11-21-2006, 02:39 PM

Talaga? Kasi I based it on the price you quoted me last month :D

Hi Sir Jo!

Actually the SRP of the PIXMA Pro 9000 is just Php29,950. :D

Glad to hear you're having fun with it!

Jo Avila

11-21-2006, 02:43 PM

Fun would be a understatement :D

The printer is now permanently esconced at my studio. I plan to have some paper custom cut. I want to see just how long a print I can produce :D I want to check if the printer can handle a 11"x33" panoramic inkjet print. :D Or is there some software driver limitation?

Hi Sir Jo!

Actually the SRP of the PIXMA Pro 9000 is just Php29,950. :D

Glad to hear you're having fun with it!

Jo Avila

11-21-2006, 02:45 PM

I once had the opportunity to play around with the i9950 for an extended period of time. But the i9950 does not offer the same support for fine art paper like the Pro 9000. It also does not use the current archival inkset of the Pro 9000.

But I have no complaints about the print quality of the i9950. However, its SRP is pretty much the same as the Pro 9000 SRP quoted by Jill :D

I checked around and there were previous 8 color canon printers such as the i9950. Quality wise, would the Pro 9000 be a significant improvement of the previous?

Jo Avila

11-21-2006, 02:49 PM

Nick brought up a valid point regarding how the gamut of a dye based printer is a lot better than a pigment based printer. I agreed. For me, that's part of the beauty of the Pro 9000. I get the gamut of dye based inks - but they're archival. Of course, I do recognize the fact that pigments offer better lightfastness.

I'm awaiting Wilhelm-Research to finish their lightfastness testing of the Pro 9000.

(I had better get to finish writing my review notes on the Pro 9000 so that I can already post it :D).

Then even better. We listed the printer at P32,995 in Issue 06 so if anyone reads this, error on our part. The rating though still stands. :) I believe we gave it a 92%. Its a great machine. Jo Avila and I just got off the phone and we were discussing again how good this printer really is.

jill_santiago

11-21-2006, 04:21 PM

Talaga? Kasi I based it on the price you quoted me last month :D Yup, the official price list just came out 2 weeks ago and the price is lower. :)

Jo Avila

11-22-2006, 11:48 AM

@Jill,

What the current SRP for the ink cartridges of the Pro 9000? Is it still P650/cartridge?

jill_santiago

11-22-2006, 03:49 PM

@Jill,

What the current SRP for the ink cartridges of the Pro 9000? Is it still P650/cartridge?

The Pro 9000 uses CLI-8 inks. The SRP is actually about Php700. :)

Nick Tuason

11-22-2006, 03:56 PM

I checked around and there were previous 8 color canon printers such as the i9950. Quality wise, would the Pro 9000 be a significant improvement of the previous?

The difference as Jo pointed out would be the Inks. The new Chromalife 100 purportedly get 100 years stored in an album. The other would be the grayscale output. The 9950 was poor in grayscale. The 9000, even with one K is pretty darned good at grayscale. The other advantage is the software that comes along with it such as Pattern Printing (gone are the days of wasted paper trying to fine tune a print) and the EPPPro print module (beats the heck out of using Print with Preview in Photoshop).

dindin_lagdameo

11-22-2006, 05:03 PM

@Nick

I think this is the printer I was looking for... ;-)

mario_bes

11-22-2006, 05:27 PM

Sir Nick
is there a RIP software that comes with the Pixma Pro 9000? or is it compatible with other 3rd party RIPs? thanks

Nick Tuason

11-22-2006, 05:49 PM

For Dindin, Canon is just one of the companies that introduced printers that are a large step up from the previous generation of printers. I was fortunate to get my hands on a demo unit and ran a mulititude of prints through it. Don't count out the Epsons that are going to be launched very soon with their new Claria inks. Unfortunately, the printer that received plenty of press in the US, the HP 9180 won't be sold in the Philippines. So that leaves our photographers with either Canon or Epson, both of which are at the top of their game.

As for Mario's question, purchasing a RIP to run a P30,000 printer is probably not a wise business decision. Now if you are large print for pay facility, the RIP may come into play but again not on a desktop printer but for a Large Format. The Canon profiles and grayscale print driver are very very good out of the box that I question the need to purchase specialty RIPS or printer profiling packages. All you need to do is get your monitor calibrated and you should be getting gorgeous prints out of the box.

JonDexterTan

11-22-2006, 10:17 PM

As to printers, anyone have any experience with the Canon Pixma iP1200? I recently bought a desktop unit and this unit came with the package.

Thanks!

this was my printer before i got an Epson R230. it's still here though, all the color cartirdges are empty but the black still has a few left, i use it nalang for text printing. sayang bumili ng new color cartridge, when one color runs out the others are useless na. i can't sell it too since i got it for less than 2K and the cartridges are more than a thousand i think. :D HTH!

Jo Avila

11-22-2006, 10:19 PM

That's still not a bad price for archival dye inks. :D

The Pro 9000 uses CLI-8 inks. The SRP is actually about Php700. :)

Jo Avila

11-22-2006, 10:27 PM

I'll have to agree with Nick regarding this point. There were only two instances so far that the Pro 9000 produced prints with sort of inadequate results. Both times it was due to my error.

I once had to do a RAW conversion of a camera raw file of one of my students. I used the wrong white balance setting. I was still using the Pro 9000 demo unit when I printed this image. I had to re-edit the raw file with the proper white balance settings and reprint the image.

Last night, I was color correcting a JPEG image shot by one of my students. The white balance settings were totally off. I was doing a quick fix and managed to get the skin tones neutral. The green blouse of the subject though ended up being the color of blue. We only caught the error after we had printed the image.

However, the Pro 9000 did print the inaccurate colors accurately both times. :D

It still comes down to how well you follow and apply basic color management policies and practices.

The Canon profiles and grayscale print driver are very very good out of the box that I question the need to purchase specialty RIPS or printer profiling packages. All you need to do is get your monitor calibrated and you should be getting gorgeous prints out of the box.

mario_bes

11-23-2006, 08:30 AM

enjoy_gaw

11-23-2006, 06:33 PM

Lino_Felarca

11-25-2006, 08:36 PM

Guys,

Before I buy, I'd like to ask your opinions. I am considering buying the Epson CX 5900 over the canon pixma 4200. It will be for personal use. The showroom personnel told me the dye ink of the epson 5900 does not smudge. They claim it also has a scanner and copier, too.

Am I having the right choice of printer for my purpose (just collecting and sharing the pictures I take and not for commercial purposes) ?
Thanks in advance. lino

dindin_lagdameo

11-26-2006, 12:41 PM

@nick

when i'm all set to buy a printer... i'll PM you... for now, i'll just have the photos printed. ;-) i just really want to know which printer is best for me.

@jo

what printer did you use to print the Portrait assignment of Weennee? i saw it this morning and it was nicely printer (and nicely composed).

Nick Tuason

11-26-2006, 02:03 PM

thanks sir Nick, sir Jo,
had experience using the default driver of the old Epson 2100 for colored printing, the colors were fairly accurate but for b&w there was a slight green color cast..
I hope with the Canon its much better..:)

That's the problem with the 2100. For you to get neutral BW with that printer, you would have to resort to printing with a rip. The 2100 also had a Black only option where it would print with just one black ink. You could get a slightly warm tone this way cause the Epson black is not really really black. The prints would also be grainy because only one ink is used for the entire tonal scale. But having said that, this method of printing worked for certain images.

Nick Tuason

11-26-2006, 02:06 PM

What do you notice on the new printers?
Is it the accuracy of the colors?
the ability to print a larger color gamut?
How about the black and white prints? was it able to get rid of the color casts?
Any noticeable difference between using adobe RGB and SRGB on the printouts?

Printers seem to get more and more accurate out of the box. The Canon Pro 9000 uses only one black ink so I don't think it would qualify for gallery quality. However, it was pretty darn good out of the box. Glossy BW to me had a magenta cast if you held it next to a dark room print which I did. The way to fix this is to adjust the sliders to neutralize the cast as much as possible.

Adobe RGB is usually my input profile so I let Photoshop do the conversion to the Paper profile. Results were very good.

Jo Avila

11-26-2006, 04:20 PM

What do I notice about the new printers? They are more enjoyable to use and in the case of the Pro 9000 the generic icc profiles are very accurate :D

I had a great time yesterday teaching my basic photography class the basics of color management - or how to get the inkjet print to output what you see on your monitor :D We did at least ten prints using the Pro 9000. No problems encountered.

The b&w print of the Pro 9000 still has a bit of cast when compared to a traditional b&w darkroom print. But it is more neutral compared to an inkjet print using color inks to simulate the mono look. I suppose I have to fiddle around with EPP Pro to find a solution to the cast.

I haven't yet tried printing a personal shot with sRGB since I'm usually shooting RAW and my color space is Adobe RGB by default whenenver I do RAW conversion.

What do you notice on the new printers?
Is it the accuracy of the colors?
the ability to print a larger color gamut?
How about the black and white prints? was it able to get rid of the color casts?
Any noticeable difference between using adobe RGB and SRGB on the printouts?

Jo Avila

11-26-2006, 04:25 PM

I have a pet peeve with units that can scan, print and copy. If I have to send the unit in for repair because it is not scanning properly I will also lose access to my printer :D

I would recommend the Canon Pixma 4200 if it will just be for personal usage. My friend owns one and his prints don't smudge. Come to think of it, the prints from my Canon iP3000 also dont' smudge.

The problem of smudging sometimes occurs if you use third party inks or paper.

Lino, get the Pixma 4200 and drop by my studio. I'll show you how to get the most out of that little beauty :D

Guys,

Before I buy, I'd like to ask your opinions. I am considering buying the Epson CX 5900 over the canon pixma 4200. It will be for personal use. The showroom personnel told me the dye ink of the epson 5900 does not smudge. They claim it also has a scanner and copier, too.

Am I having the right choice of printer for my purpose (just collecting and sharing the pictures I take and not for commercial purposes) ?
Thanks in advance. lino

Jo Avila

11-26-2006, 04:29 PM

I used the Canon Pro 9000. :D I printed her portrait assignment on Fredrix Canvas for inkjet prints.

That print absolves me of having to give her a gift on Christmas day :D LOL!

Canon did give me Photo Rag and Fine Art Matte paper. But the sheets were put in the same plastic sleeve and I can't tell apart one paper from another. That's a big headache since I won't know what ICC profile to use.

Paging Jill - HELP!

That print absolves me of having to give her a gift on Christmas day :D LOL!

Dindin, at one point you will have to ask yourself how often do you intend to inkjet print and at what size?

@jo

what printer did you use to print the Portrait assignment of Weennee? i saw it this morning and it was nicely printer (and nicely composed).

ann_francisco

11-27-2006, 09:42 AM

I used the Canon Pro 9000. :D I printed her portrait assignment on Fredrix Canvas for inkjet prints.

That print absolves me of having to give her a gift on Christmas day :D LOL!

Canon did give me Photo Rag and Fine Art Matte paper. But the sheets were put in the same plastic sleeve and I can't tell apart one paper from another. That's a big headache since I won't know what ICC profile to use.

Paging Jill - HELP!

That print absolves me of having to give her a gift on Christmas day :D LOL!

Dindin, at one point you will have to ask yourself how often do you intend to inkjet print and at what size?

Hi Jo,

My apologies for the confusion. I ran out of plastic sleeves, so I had no choice but to put them in one sleeve.

Anyway,

FA-PR1 (Fine Art Paper Photo Rag) is the thinner one (188gsm) the other one I included was the FA-PM1 (Fine Art Paper Premium Matte - 210gsm)

Hope this helps. Let me know if you have any more concerns re this. :)

Jo Avila

11-27-2006, 03:37 PM

@Ann

Thanks for the info. Its hard to tell them apart based on the paper surface. But its easy if I will base it on paper thickness :D

Thanks again :D

Lino_Felarca

11-27-2006, 05:20 PM

Thanks for the advice Jo!

I'm still attending our Eye Convention and will call you up for an appointment once I buy the printer. Regards.
lino

Jo Avila

12-13-2006, 12:46 AM

Lino dropped by my studio last Saturday and I showed him the basic ins and outs of inkjet printing on his Canon iP4200 (congrats to Lino on his new toy :D).

We hit a snag a couple of times during our session. Lino had CD-R King paper with him. I didn't want to use the paper because we didn't have the ICC profile for it. It was a good thing though that he also brought Canon Plus Glossy 4R inkjet paper.

I also initially discovered that I couldn't show him an accurate soft proof in PS of his image since he still hadn't used the CD that came with his printer to install the printer driver and the paper ICC profiles on his laptop. So we had to spend a few minutes installing the printer driver and ICC profiles on his laptop.

Everything else went without a hitch though :D

I'm now curious though how the Canon iP4300 will perform.

And I know that I will also be curious around February 2007 on the print quality of the Canon Pro 9500.

@ Ann & Jill

When do I get to test drive these units?

Randall Cipriano

12-13-2006, 12:55 AM

Sir maybe you can outline the steps? I have the same printer and never really bothered looking at the ICC profiles. I just installed the printer and that's it. No ICC matching hehe.

Are the ICC profiles installed automatically installed when you install the drivers from the CD? I'm seeing alot of ICC profiles in the color profiles folder:

http://i10.tinypic.com/4bnpmhl.jpg

Thanks sir! :)

Jo Avila

12-13-2006, 01:03 AM

@ Randall

There is a specific ICC profile for your printer for the different kinds of paper that you will be using.

You can choose what rendering intent and ICC profile to use for soft proofing in PS under View>Proof Set up.

You can also choose what rendering intent and ICC profile to use for printing in PS using File>Print Preview.

The ICC profiles for your printer are Canon ip4200SP (Canon Plus Glossy Paper), Canon iP4200SG (Canon Glossy Paper) and Canon iP4200 MP (Canon Matte Photo Paper). The numbers after the paper designation codes refer to the print quality setting that you intend to use when printing.

I'll be at my studio later today from 2pm-5pm. My studio is at Unit 114, Gold Building, 15 Annapolis st., Greenhills, SJ. I'll be doing a bit of shooting and inkjet printing. Feel free to drop by and I'll give you a short step-by-step demo :D

My cellphone number is (0917) 5305133. My landline at the studio is (02) 723-1129. Bring at least one digital file and I'll print it for you for free :D

Jo Avila

12-13-2006, 01:19 AM

Let me try to outline the basic steps that I use when inkjet printing.

@ Nick

Feel free to jump in at any time :D

First, I will try to make sure that my monitor is calibrated and properly profiled. You will want to work with files that have embedded profiles. Those are the two minimum requirements that PS needs in order for you to have an accurate preview of your image.

I will edit my file and use adjustment layers as much as possible.

After I am done will all major color and tonal corrections in PS, I will go to go View>Proof Setup>Custom and choose the ICC profile for my printer for that paper that I will using (please refer to my previous post regarding the paper ICC profiles for your printer). I will then choose a rendering intent (usually its either Relative Colorimetric or Perceptual depending on the image) and I will check the box of Black Point Compensation.

I will then make sure that View>Proof Colors is checked and activated. I will leave the file as is if I am happy with what I see. Or I will adjust and tweak the image further using the adjustment layers.

I will then go to File>Print with Preview. I will go to Page Setup and choose my Printer, paper size and paper orientation. Using the Options: Color Handling of Print with Preview I will select Let Photoshop Determine Colors. I will then go to Printer Profile and select the ICC profile of the paper that I want to use with my printer. I will then choose the same rendering intent that I used in Proof Setup and check the box of Black Point Compensation.

I will then hit the Print Button in Print with Preview and the Print Command Dialog Box will appear. I will go to Quality and Media and select the paper that I will be using and choose Best Photo Quality. I will then go to Color Options and make sure that the printer's color correction is set to off.

I then print the image and repeat the process for each image that I intend to print :D

Sir maybe you can outline the steps? I have the same printer and never really bothered looking at the ICC profiles. I just installed the printer and that's it. No ICC matching hehe.

Are the ICC profiles installed automatically installed when you install the drivers from the CD? I'm seeing alot of ICC profiles in the color profiles folder:

http://i10.tinypic.com/4bnpmhl.jpg

Thanks sir! :)

Lino_Felarca

12-13-2006, 08:21 PM

Jo,

Pare, Maraming Salamat sa iyo! I didn't realize that it could make prints that would rival photo shops until you showed me how and I saw it with my own eyes.

I do not regret buying the Canon glossy and the plus glossy papers for my personal photoprinting purposes. In fact I went back to SMNE Cyberzone to buy more Canon paper.

That is what is nice about Jo Avila . He goes out of his way to help you out ...specially for an old newbie like me who is computer and digital photography challenged .

My only hope is that we could buy the 4 x 6 plus glossy photo papers in 100/pack like the glossy photopaper rather than only in twenties. Sa Canon ka lang makakabili nito.The 4 x 6 photos are great souvenirs for party guests. Take their pictures during the party, print them and give it to them just before they leave.

You are correct when you said in a previous thread that if you took great pains in composing, shooting, and processing your photos, why scrimp on the paper that would produce the best final output?
Mabuhay ka!

Randall Cipriano

12-13-2006, 08:35 PM

Sir Jo!

Thanks! I'd love to take you up on your offer but these days I never really have free time during the day and sometimes during weekends as well. Alot of stuff have been piling up in the office since clients are pushing dates forward because of the Christmas vacation. >__< Moreover, I live i n Paranaque and work in Makati. I think I'd be in your classes if I had any free time too.

Anyway, thanks again! I agree with Lino, you really are a big help to anyone in need! Me, my printer, and my family thanks you! :)

Nick Tuason

12-13-2006, 08:40 PM

Jo Avila's workflow is spot on. We follow the same workflow here in Bella Luce. The only exception is that we don't do as much Soft Proofing anymore since our monitor and prints match pretty close.

Jo A. is THE MAN!

bunny_donato

12-13-2006, 10:20 PM

I'm now curious though how the Canon iP4300 will perform.

Sir Jo,

I have a Canon IP4300 and to be quite honest i have the littlest knowledge on how to use it effectively. If its not too much to ask I would like to request if I may drop by your studio and I'll bring my printer. You could test it and at the same time you could teach me a thing or two on how i could use this new printer effectively:)

So far the output I've produced with it seems really disappointing:Angry:

Randall Cipriano

12-13-2006, 11:51 PM

Sir Jo,

I have a Canon IP4300 and to be quite honest i have the littlest knowledge on how to use it effectively. If its not too much to ask I would like to request if I may drop by your studio and I'll bring my printer. You could test it and at the same time you could teach me a thing or two on how i could use this new printer effectively:)

So far the output I've produced with it seems really disappointing:Angry:

Sana pwede ako sumama! Pero I'm currently doing 2 people's(person's?) jobs. Paturo na lang sa Christmas party or New Year's eve party! Hehe! :Grin:

bunny_donato

12-13-2006, 11:56 PM

Sana pwede ako sumama! Pero I'm currently doing 2 people's(person's?) jobs. Paturo na lang sa Christmas party or New Year's eve party! Hehe! :Grin:

of course...pero first things first....i hope that Mr. Jo A. could spare a couple of minutes to help me with my printer ignorance:D

Jo Avila

12-14-2006, 10:42 AM

Lino,

SMNE Canon D-Zone does sell 4R Canon Plus Glossy in packs of 100 sheets. I just saw a pack yesterday being sold for P600/100 sheets :D

Jo,

Pare, Maraming Salamat sa iyo! I didn't realize that it could make prints that would rival photo shops until you showed me how and I saw it with my own eyes.

I do not regret buying the Canon glossy and the plus glossy papers for my personal photoprinting purposes. In fact I went back to SMNE Cyberzone to buy more Canon paper.

That is what is nice about Jo Avila . He goes out of his way to help you out ...specially for an old newbie like me who is computer and digital photography challenged .

My only hope is that we could buy the 4 x 6 plus glossy photo papers in 100/pack like the glossy photopaper rather than only in twenties. Sa Canon ka lang makakabili nito.The 4 x 6 photos are great souvenirs for party guests. Take their pictures during the party, print them and give it to them just before they leave.

You are correct when you said in a previous thread that if you took great pains in composing, shooting, and processing your photos, why scrimp on the paper that would produce the best final output?
Mabuhay ka!

Jo Avila

12-14-2006, 10:46 AM

@ Bunny

No problem.

Does anyone else want to bring their printers, laptops and paper to my studio? We might as well just do one session for everyone who is interested.

But I will give you the same piece of advice that I gave Lino. Please don't bring third party inkjet paper since you might not have the ICC profile for it.

Please send a private email to pinakamagalingako@hotmail.com if anyone is interested.

Sir Jo,

I have a Canon IP4300 and to be quite honest i have the littlest knowledge on how to use it effectively. If its not too much to ask I would like to request if I may drop by your studio and I'll bring my printer. You could test it and at the same time you could teach me a thing or two on how i could use this new printer effectively:)

So far the output I've produced with it seems really disappointing:Angry:

Jo Avila

12-14-2006, 11:01 AM

@ Nick

We had better soon push through with that inkjet printing seminar we were talking about the other day :D

Do we have any other interested parties? We can set it to Monday next week perhaps and start at 630pm?

I'll give a short talk about basic color management (or basically what I do when I print on inkjet and making sure that my screen and inkjet print match as closely as possible).

This is a freebie guys (in the spirit of Christmas). :D

Nick Tuason

12-14-2006, 11:08 AM

Jo I think you are right. Will be coordinating with you on this and will announce to the public when its set to go.

nap_alcedo

12-14-2006, 11:10 AM

Wow, thanks for the workflow Jo. Now I understand what Nick was talking about in his PM regarding color management and monitor/printer calibration.

Nap

Jo Avila

12-14-2006, 11:16 AM

I also don't softproof that much with the Canon Pro 9000. Canon did a good job with the ICC profiles for their paper. But I still recommend softproofing in PS since its a good habit to develop.

The steps I outlined were the same thing that I lectured about during my talk at UST recently. Of course I also had to tell them how important a cup of coffee is when doing basic color management :D

Jo Avila's workflow is spot on. We follow the same workflow here in Bella Luce. The only exception is that we don't do as much Soft Proofing anymore since our monitor and prints match pretty close.

Jo A. is THE MAN!

Jo Avila

12-14-2006, 11:18 AM

Color management can be very complicated. But I've discovered that you can break it down into simple steps that are easy to follow and accomplish.

Wow, thanks for the workflow Jo. Now I understand what Nick was talking about in his PM regarding color management and monitor/printer calibration.

Nap

Jo Avila

12-14-2006, 11:27 AM

Lino,

You are more than welcome. I think that it was pretty nice too that you showed up with your wife and daughter :D

I would like to apologize though that I wasn't able to spend that much time with you since my students were waiting for me to begin my lecture for that day.

Jo,

Pare, Maraming Salamat sa iyo! I didn't realize that it could make prints that would rival photo shops until you showed me how and I saw it with my own eyes.

I do not regret buying the Canon glossy and the plus glossy papers for my personal photoprinting purposes. In fact I went back to SMNE Cyberzone to buy more Canon paper.

That is what is nice about Jo Avila . He goes out of his way to help you out ...specially for an old newbie like me who is computer and digital photography challenged .

My only hope is that we could buy the 4 x 6 plus glossy photo papers in 100/pack like the glossy photopaper rather than only in twenties. Sa Canon ka lang makakabili nito.The 4 x 6 photos are great souvenirs for party guests. Take their pictures during the party, print them and give it to them just before they leave.

You are correct when you said in a previous thread that if you took great pains in composing, shooting, and processing your photos, why scrimp on the paper that would produce the best final output?
Mabuhay ka!

Jo Avila

12-14-2006, 11:44 AM

I was at SM North EDSA Cyberzone yesterday. I had to restock on ink since I used up my Photo Magenta and almost all of my Yellow inks during my talk and demo at UST.

It was pleasant to discover that the CLI-8 inks were being sold by Canon D-Zone at P675/ink cartridge :D

The Pro 9000 uses CLI-8 inks. The SRP is actually about Php700. :)

Lino_Felarca

12-14-2006, 11:49 AM

Jo Avila

12-14-2006, 11:54 AM

I should be the one apologizing to you because we let them wait a while.
BTW, I got to talk to the SMNE Canon D Zone personnel. They really don't have the Plus glossy in 100/pack...just the glossy 100/pack. They have this double sided satin matte paper that costs P900/ pack of 10 sheets?. I don't want to buy this yet (I hope). Your advice to me was to practice on the glossy papers for starters.

On the color management subject....2 top of the line lecturers all in one roof?...that's a seminar! Wow! Do let us know so we can prepare for it.

Lino,

The Glossy 4R 100 pack is a great way to build a mini mural composed of small prints for your house :D

I eventually plan to do the same thing at my studio with the portion of the ceiling over my desk. LOL!

I'll let Nick do all the talking. I'll probably be beside him just nodding my head :D

My advice to you about using the glossy papers was based on the fact that they are readily available and aren't that expensive.

Your only problem now is all those sheets CD-R King inkjet paper that you bought. I would probably use them just to print Contact Sheets or Index Prints for the purpose of organizing the images you have stored on CDs or DVDs.

bunny_donato

12-15-2006, 01:16 AM

@ Bunny

No problem.

Does anyone else want to bring their printers, laptops and paper to my studio? We might as well just do one session for everyone who is interested.

But I will give you the same piece of advice that I gave Lino. Please don't bring third party inkjet paper since you might not have the ICC profile for it.

Please send a private email to pinakamagalingako@hotmail.com if anyone is interested.

@Jo

looking forward to this (at your most convenient time).....i really need help to be able to use my ip4300 to its potential....like what i said in my previous posts....the prints that I'm getting are really less than satisfactory.

I wont bring any third party inkjet paper....nothing less than canon photo paper for this.

thanks in advance

Jo Avila

12-15-2006, 01:56 AM

@ Bunny

Bring along some sample images that you would also like to test print.

@ other interested individuals

Anyone else? We can be flexible with the time. I will be at my studio by 11am because someone booked a one-on-one tutorial. I should be done with this by 2pm.

Monday would really be a good day for me since I have nothing else to do after 2pm. But I would appreciate it if everyone who wants to join could commit to more or less the same time slot :D

@Jo

looking forward to this (at your most convenient time).....i really need help to be able to use my ip4300 to its potential....like what i said in my previous posts....the prints that I'm getting are really less than satisfactory.

I wont bring any third party inkjet paper....nothing less than canon photo paper for this.

thanks in advance

bunny_donato

12-15-2006, 02:14 AM

@ Bunny

Bring along some sample images that you would also like to test print.

@Jo

will do.....looking forward to getting really good prints from my printer. Realy appreciate this.

Thanks again.

Jo Avila

12-15-2006, 02:27 AM

@ Bunny

Don't forget to bring the installation CD that came with your printer.

Would anyone else care to join us? Bunny will be at my studio (Unit 114, Gold Building, 15 Annapolis st., Greenhills, SJ) which is near Country Waffles by 4pm.

nap_alcedo

12-15-2006, 06:31 AM

Hi Jo,

I will see if I can join you guys. I will buy canon glossy paper first and try to print pictures based on the workflow that you illustrated here. If I can't print the pictures correctly, I will try to go. I am using a Pixma 3000 and I have loaded the profiles before. Will inform you of the final decision. Thanks in advance.

Jo Avila

12-15-2006, 02:50 PM

@ Nap

You might as well go. I am currently using a Canono Pro 9000 at my studio. But I use a Canon Pixma iP3000 at home :D

The Canon Pixma iP3000 does hold a few pleasant surprises. I've managed to print with it using paper as heavy as 200gsm. Sadly, it won't handle paper as heavy as 300gsm.

Jo Avila

12-15-2006, 03:08 PM

BTW, there are basic assumptions to the workflow.

Photoshop will only give you an accurate preview of color and brightness if you have a display profile that accurately describes the behavior of your monitor and if there is an embedded profile in the document.

Photoshop needs a source profile and a destination profile in order to get the output to closely match what you see on your screen.

The gist of it all - Your monitor has to be calibrated and make sure that your digital file has an embedded profile (i.e Adobe RGB, sRGB, etc.). The ICC profiles for the inkjet papers supported by your Pixma were installed along with the printer driver. Using unprofiled inks or paper won't ensure that you get accurate results.

Hi Jo,

I will see if I can join you guys. I will buy canon glossy paper first and try to print pictures based on the workflow that you illustrated here. If I can't print the pictures correctly, I will try to go. I am using a Pixma 3000 and I have loaded the profiles before. Will inform you of the final decision. Thanks in advance.

bunny_donato

12-15-2006, 09:11 PM

@ Bunny

Don't forget to bring the installation CD that came with your printer.

@Jo

I wont forget. I already bought a canon glossy photo paper earlier. I'm all set for Monday

Thanks again:)

Jo Avila

12-15-2006, 09:26 PM

We're all set then. You might as well also bring some images that are giving you color correction problems.

Would anyone else care to join us? :D

Randall Cipriano

12-16-2006, 04:16 PM

Sir Jo!

Thanks!!! I tried out the directions you outlined and the color reproduction I got is around by my guess 80% similar to what I'm seeing on screen compared to a fudgy 60% before.

And that's with an uncalibrated monitor! :)

The only problems I'm having right now is there is still (was always there) a slight colorcast on dark grays and reds but I guess that's the uncalibrated monitor for you. :)

Thanks ulit! :D

Jo Avila

12-16-2006, 05:56 PM

So, are you ready to further improve print quality and color management by purchasing a Colorimeter (i.e. Colorvision Spyder)? :D

I suspect that the color cast that you are seeing in your print is present in the digital file. You just don't see it in your display because your monitor is uncalibrated an not profiled accurately.

The display does not affect how the colors of the image will come out. It is the consequences of the actions that you do based on your display (i.e. color correction, rendering intent, etc.) that affect the output.

The display monitor is just for preview purposes and nothing else.

Sir Jo!

Thanks!!! I tried out the directions you outlined and the color reproduction I got is around by my guess 80% similar to what I'm seeing on screen compared to a fudgy 60% before.

And that's with an uncalibrated monitor! :)

The only problems I'm having right now is there is still (was always there) a slight colorcast on dark grays and reds but I guess that's the uncalibrated monitor for you. :)

Thanks ulit! :D

Randall Cipriano

12-16-2006, 06:05 PM

Hehe sure! Right after my wallet recuperates from buying a new dslr system. :D

I suspect that the color cast that you are seeing in your print is present in the digital file. You just don't see it in your display because your monitor is uncalibrated an not profiled accurately.

Might as well be since I'm only using an AOC crt monitor. Do the Spyders work on not-so-great monitors? Do I need to shell out for a better monitor first? @_@

Thanks! :)

Jo Avila

12-16-2006, 06:12 PM

CRT monitors are easier and more accurate to calibrate than a LCD monitor. But a good display is always an excellent investment. In fact, I would prioritize a good display monitor over a faster processor :D

@ Randall

Please join us on Monday, December 18, 4pm at my studio. I'll show you a very basic color management workflow that you can build upon in the long run.

Hehe sure! Right after my wallet recuperates from buying a new dslr system. :D

Might as well be since I'm only using an AOC crt monitor. Do the Spyders work on not-so-great monitors? Do I need to shell out for a better monitor first? @_@

Thanks! :)

Randall Cipriano

12-16-2006, 06:29 PM

I really wish I could! But I'm already juggling 3 projects to be completed before the 22nd! I even have submissions lined up on the 8th and 21st of January! Brutal! :((((((

Anyway, cousin Bunny will be there hehe! :D

Thanks!

Jo Avila

12-16-2006, 07:11 PM

It's funny how this thread morphed into a basic color management thread :D

Does anyone else have an inkjet printer they would like to recommend?

bunny_donato

12-19-2006, 08:27 AM

I just recently graduated from Mr. Jo Avila's class on color management.....it was truly a worthwhile experience.

Initially i was only expecting Jo to just guide me on how to use my printer, but when we got started he went through all the details on what steps i should take and what details i should watch out for in order to achieve excellent prints. After a detailed session on basic color management we started testing my printer........it was really surprising to see that my inkjet printer could now come up with prints that can rival prints from the photo labs. I just didnt think that this was achievable....but with Jo's help i now know how to do it.

here are some important things that I've learned from the man:

-calibrate your monitor ( software and hardware method)
-calibration is not a one time thing...any changes in brightness or resolution size would require you to recalibrate again.
-use high quality branded inks
-use high quality paper (dont waste your archival inks on lousy photo papers)
-actual prints are more archival than the original soft files contained in a cd or hard drive

there were a lot more lessons learned in that session.....but they are too many to mention...bottomline here is that I went there with a lousy IP4300 printer but when Jo's session was over I came out there with a kick a$$ IP4300 printer and I was a more knowledgeable person on color management.......and all of these lessons were for free:) ............if theres another session on this I would most likely be there again:D

Thank you very much Jo....really appreciate you helping me out on this color management thing

Jo Avila

12-19-2006, 08:34 PM

Jo Avila

12-19-2006, 09:11 PM

@ Bunny again

BTW, I leave it up to you to relay the information to your cousin Randall :D

Let's see how well you listened to what I told you :D LOL!

bunny_donato

12-20-2006, 02:34 AM

@ Bunny

No problem. But please bear in mind though that I just gave you a short gist of color management. I just hope the info is sufficient enough for you to build upon as you go along and gain experience.

BTW, thanks for the inkjet prints of my son. I really appreciate it. :D

@Jo

if thats just a gist on color management....then i guess that my knowledge on the subject is really really few and minute at this point...but like what i said....after a session with you...i very well know that i'm more knowledgeable now as compared before........thanks to you....really appreciate it

no prob on the prints of your son...its the least i could do......based from what i've gained i should at least print a whole pack and still i would owe you a whole lot more from the knowledge you've shared...thanks so much

bunny_donato

12-20-2006, 02:39 AM

@ Bunny again

BTW, I leave it up to you to relay the information to your cousin Randall :D

Let's see how well you listened to what I told you :D LOL!

allow me to impart the knowledge you've shared...but i doubt if i could share the same amount of knowledge in the same manner that you've shared with me.but i'll try:D

thanks again!

to those who missed this opportunity on mr. jo's open invitation to learn on color management....please take advantage if he offered another free lecture on the subject matter...I'm telling you that its really worth your while and its really a gold mine of information. For sure I would join this second session:D

Jo Avila

12-20-2006, 04:49 PM

Actually, I didn't delve that deeply into certain areas because I felt that most people (including yourself) would rather just know the basic steps of what to do :D

I will be the first to admit that I sometimes stumble on some of the theoretical aspects of color management. But that's why I keep on reading over and over again a book that I have on the subject.

It was no hassle to share with you what I know. Just be sure to print more shots of your family :D

@Jo

if thats just a gist on color management....then i guess that my knowledge on the subject is really really few and minute at this point...but like what i said....after a session with you...i very well know that i'm more knowledgeable now as compared before........thanks to you....really appreciate it

no prob on the prints of your son...its the least i could do......based from what i've gained i should at least print a whole pack and still i would owe you a whole lot more from the knowledge you've shared...thanks so much

Jo Avila

12-20-2006, 05:40 PM

I got to try out the iP4200 yesterday. Someone else showed up wanting to learn how to fully utilize his inkjet printer :D It would have been best if I had thought of printing the same image on the iP4200 and iP4300.

No complaints with both printers given the output produced. The prints produced by both inkjets were consistent in quality. But I wonder why they both don't have ICC profiles specifically for Canon Glossy Paper?

@ Jill or Ann

Have you guys already discovered why the iP4200 and iP4300 don't have an ICC profile for Canon Glossy Paper. I installed the printer drivers of both units on my laptop. Installed in my laptop were the ICC profiles for Canon Photo Paper Pro, Canon Plus Glossy Photo and Canon Matte Photo papers.

Jo Avila

12-20-2006, 05:42 PM

@ Bunny

Any comments regarding the comparison in output quality between the images we printed on the Canon and CD-R King inkjet papers?

Carlo Cecilio

12-20-2006, 09:23 PM

bunny_donato

12-21-2006, 12:44 AM

@ Bunny

Any comments regarding the comparison in output quality between the images we printed on the Canon and CD-R King inkjet papers?

@Jo

it was a no contest with regard to the quality of output comparing the canon glossy paper and the CD-R King glossy paper....Canon was far more on the dot with the colors,most especially on the skin tones. For sure i will follow your advice on only using quality paper so that i wont be wasting my canon archival inks:)

bottom line on the paper was the use of the proper ICC profiles for the specific type of paper being used....obviously there is no available ICC profile for the CD-R King type of paper:D

Just a question...if ever in the wildest circumstance CD-R King comes up with their own ICC profile on their photo papers.....would this allow us to create prints that could rival prints that are printed on the Canon Photo papers?

bunny_donato

12-21-2006, 12:46 AM

i was also there last monday with bunny and i learned so much from sir jo regarding post processing your images and how to maximize the quality of your pictures when you print them.

@ sir jo thank you for being so generous in sharing your knowledge and wisdom!

@ bunny it was a pleasure to meet you

@carlo

it was also a pleasure meeting you.....we really did learn a lot that day......now we just have to practice a whole lot more to come up with really good prints. so when are you buying the IP4300 or 4200?:)

Carlo Cecilio

12-21-2006, 08:11 AM

@ bunny

soon! i was really impressed and inspired with the performance of your ip4300.

Nick Tuason

12-21-2006, 08:53 AM

@Jo

it was a no contest with regard to the quality of output comparing the canon glossy paper and the CD-R King glossy paper....Canon was far more on the dot with the colors,most especially on the skin tones. For sure i will follow your advice on only using quality paper so that i wont be wasting my canon archival inks:)

bottom line on the paper was the use of the proper ICC profiles for the specific type of paper being used....obviously there is no available ICC profile for the CD-R King type of paper:D

Just a question...if ever in the wildest circumstance CD-R King comes up with their own ICC profile on their photo papers.....would this allow us to create prints that could rival prints that are printed on the Canon Photo papers?

I'll answer this eventhough the question was posed to Jo Avila. :) Sorry Jo got to it earlier than you.

Without having seen the CD-R King paper, in short the answer would be no. ICC profiles only instruct your printer how to interpret the numbers that is being sent to it. You might a better color output but that's to the extent of it. You probably won't get the same color gamut and possibly Dmax. Probably won't get the same durability and longevity also. Don't forget that Canon papers are maximized for their inks.

Jo Avila

12-21-2006, 09:18 AM

And this is what I get for going to sleep earlier than usual :D LOL!

I concur with Nick's assessment. The colors output would come out better. But that's it.

Ben Molina dropped by my studio recently and he looked as some sample prints we did on both Canon Plus Glossy and CD-R King Glossy photo papers. The ink was a bit runny on the CD-R King paper and there was some sort of banding in the fine shadow areas of the image. I don't think that an ICC profile can correct for that :D

I do sometimes use my Canon inkjet printers to print on non-Canon photo paper. But those are for experimental purposes or for a specific reason. For example, I do a little digital painting and like the look of my artwork on drawing paper. That's also one of the reasons why I have to borrow the ColorVision PrintFIX Pro from Nick :D

I'll answer this eventhough the question was posed to Jo Avila. :) Sorry Jo got to it earlier than you.

Without having seen the CD-R King paper, in short the answer would be no. ICC profiles only instruct your printer how to interpret the numbers that is being sent to it. You might a better color output but that's to the extent of it. You probably won't get the same color gamut and possibly Dmax. Probably won't get the same durability and longevity also. Don't forget that Canon papers are maximized for their inks.

Jo Avila

12-21-2006, 09:24 AM

Jo Avila

12-21-2006, 09:51 AM

Just a few thoughts:

1) There are two factors that will usually ruin the printer's head. You don't use it and the nozzles get clogged. Or, you print so many images that you wear it out. I would rather get my money's worth out of a printer rather than let it rot.

2) I appreciate a printed image better than one that is just displayed on a computer's display.

3) You don't have to print all of your shots. I didn't print in the darkroom everything that I shot when I was still using film. Just print what you feel are your best images.

4) The prospective clients who approach me often ask to see actual prints even though they can see the same images on my website.

So start printing your images guys! :D

Nino Estrada

12-21-2006, 12:13 PM

Ben Molina dropped by my studio recently and he looked as some sample prints we did on both Canon Plus Glossy and CD-R King Glossy photo papers. The ink was a bit runny on the CD-R King paper and there was some sort of banding in the fine shadow areas of the image. I don't think that an ICC profile can correct for that :D

I do sometimes use my Canon inkjet printers to print on non-Canon photo paper. But those are for experimental purposes or for a specific reason. For example, I do a little digital painting and like the look of my artwork on drawing paper. That's also one of the reasons why I have to borrow the ColorVision PrintFIX Pro from Nick :D

@ sir jo
is the quality still the same for CD-R's waterproof glossy photopaper? I have experienced the "banding" in CD-R's photopaper but found none of it in its waterproof variety using both IP1000 and 1200 though i havnt compared it to prints from canon papers

jill_santiago

12-21-2006, 05:45 PM

@ Bunny

Don't you now regret having thrown away the box of the iP4300 along with its other contents? LOL! :D

@ Carlo

The iP4300 should be released locally not later than the first week of February 2007 I think.

@ Jill & Ann

Could you guys confirm the release date of the iP4300 and what are its main advantages over the iP4200?

Hi Sir Jo!

The PIXMA iP4300 has more print nozzles, which means it prints slightly faster. It also has a different casing. Not much difference from the iP4200 :)

bunny_donato

12-21-2006, 09:11 PM

@Nick and Jo

Thanks for the info regarding CD-R King papers....so i guess its best to stay away from them if i value the photos that I'm printing:)

Canon Photo Papers and Canon Original Inks are now the staple combination for my Canon Printer:)

bunny_donato

12-21-2006, 09:13 PM

@ Bunny

Don't you now regret having thrown away the box of the iP4300 along with its other contents? LOL! :D

I really regret throwing away that damn box....without really checking if it still had some parts inside of it:Angry: now I'm missing the CD/DVD direct printing tray:Angry:

calling Jill..........hope you could help me find a replacement for my missing tray:)

Jo Avila

12-21-2006, 09:25 PM

I don't know. I only tried printing with a pack of CD-R King papers once just to double check some info that I received. I ended up using the pack just to print index prints.

But do try printing with paper designed for your inks and see for yourself.

Bunny had initially tried printing on CD-R King paper. He was disappointed with the results but he didn't know what went wrong. He tried printing on Canon inkjet paper for the first time during the session at my studio. He was happy with the results and noticed the difference in print quality between the Canon and the CD-R King photo papers.

@ sir jo
is the quality still the same for CD-R's waterproof glossy photopaper? I have experienced the "banding" in CD-R's photopaper but found none of it in its waterproof variety using both IP1000 and 1200 though i havnt compared it to prints from canon papers

bunny_donato

12-21-2006, 09:36 PM

@nino

i was also using the waterproof variant of the CD-R King papers....there was really a big difference with the output comparing it with the Canon Glossy Paper

Jo Avila

12-21-2006, 09:50 PM

Jo Avila

12-21-2006, 09:52 PM

@ Nick

Thanks for loaning me the PrintFIX Pro. I look forward to all those color patches. Hopefully, I'll have the time to use it to profile the Fredrix inkjet canvas before Saturday.

bunny_donato

12-21-2006, 09:57 PM

@ Bunny

I didn't know that we were testing the CD-R King waterproof photo paper. I did another image comparison the day after you were at my studio on an iP4200. The same image was printed on Canon and CD-R King paper. We noticed that the Canon paper had less of a tendency to blow the highlight detail than the CD-R King paper.

yup, what i had with me at that time was the CD-R King Premium Quality Water Proof Glossy Photo Paper. I guess the same blown highlights can be said about the prints that we compared out of the iP4300, but the major differnce that i can see between the two kinds of paper was that the Canon Glossy Paper showed better quality on the skin tones

Jo Avila

12-21-2006, 10:13 PM

bunny_donato

12-21-2006, 10:41 PM

@ Bunny

So what else have you printed since you left my studio? Did your wife like the prints we produced for our little session?

BTW, its a good idea to let the inkjet prints air dry for at least overnight. I read it somewhere on the literature that comes with the Canon inkjet paper.

I've printed some more of my wife and baby's pictures.....all i can say is that going to your studio and listening to all your lessons really paid off......now i can really say that i could print photos at the comforts of my home:D

thanks for the maintenance tip..........i needed that info, since the manual was also inside that damn box that i threw away:D

Jo Avila

12-21-2006, 10:48 PM

@ Bunny

The tip about airdrying isn't in the printer manual that you threw away. It's written on the paper pamphlet that was inside your pack of Canon paper :D

Jo Avila

12-21-2006, 10:59 PM

I just realized that it would be interesting to try out the Canon iP1000 and 1200 :D

Would you care to drop by my studio with your printer, a few of your digital files and a pack of Canon paper? :D

@ sir jo
is the quality still the same for CD-R's waterproof glossy photopaper? I have experienced the "banding" in CD-R's photopaper but found none of it in its waterproof variety using both IP1000 and 1200 though i havnt compared it to prints from canon papers

Nino Estrada

12-22-2006, 12:55 AM

I just realized that it would be interesting to try out the Canon iP1000 and 1200 :D

Would you care to drop by my studio with your printer, a few of your digital files and a pack of Canon paper? :D

we could arrange that sir jo, thank you in advance, i could bring the iP1200, the 1000 i doubt it because we use it heavily at the store. Will send you a PM.

and to think I just bought a bundle of CD-R's waterproof photopaper. tsk tsk

bunny_donato

12-22-2006, 03:43 AM

@ Bunny

The tip about airdrying isn't in the printer manual that you threw away. It's written on the paper pamphlet that was inside your pack of Canon paper :D

@Jo
Thanks for that bit of info....before i decide to throw away the packaging that came with my canon glossy paper i would make sure i get a hold of that piece of paper just in case the new pack doesnt come with that pamphlet:D

if ever there will be another schedule for a session on printer testing please let me know...i will drop by and i ill bring my printer also......i just would like to see the difference on the output based on the model.......of course lets just not compare it with your printer:D I'm just really curious whats the difference between an ip4200 and an iP4300....more importantly i want to see if the direct cd/dvd printing tray is compatible:D

@Jill

I hope you do find me that replacement direct cd/dvd tray...........really hoping and wishing here

Jo Avila

12-22-2006, 10:41 AM

@ Nino and Bunny

I will be at my studio in Greenhills on December 24 at around 7am-10am. Are you guys game?

Would anyone else care to join us? :D

bunny_donato

12-22-2006, 11:04 AM

@Jo

i will let you know if my schedule permits me to go on the 24th for some more printer testing.......i wish someone could also go and bring an iP4200 and an epson variant printer.I really would like to compare outputs across various models and brands

by the way Jill was able to get me the cd/dvd tray:D ....thanks for referring her to me

@Jill

Thank you for the assistance.. I will be getting it later........with Jill handling the Canon line of printers coupled with excellent after sales service then I guess a Canon printer would always be highly recommended:)

Jo Avila

12-22-2006, 11:13 AM

@ Bunny

Jill is actually part of a very excellent team that handles the Canon inkjet printers. I was just there yesterday to drop off prints I made for them on my Pro 9000.

ann_francisco

12-22-2006, 03:01 PM

Thanks again for the prints, Jo! :)

We loved them... :)

We really appreciate your "love" for our printers and consumables... hehehehehe :D

Nino Estrada

12-22-2006, 05:14 PM

@ sir jo

i think the 24th would be ok, but sir kindly PM me your mobile number so I can confirm the sched with you tom. thanks, will monitor thread for changes

Jo Avila

12-22-2006, 05:25 PM

I'm glad you liked the prints. Which one did you choose?

It's actually the contents of my wallet that expresses my "Love" for the Canon consumables each time I make a purchase at a Canon D-Zone branch :D

Thanks again for the prints, Jo! :)

We loved them... :)

We really appreciate your "love" for our printers and consumables... hehehehehe :D

Lino_Felarca

12-22-2006, 07:30 PM

Anton Lorenzo

12-22-2006, 10:36 PM

@ Bunny

I didn't know that we were testing the CD-R King waterproof photo paper. I did another image comparison the day after you were at my studio on an iP4200. The same image was printed on Canon and CD-R King paper. We noticed that the Canon paper had less of a tendency to blow the highlight detail than the CD-R King paper.

I can't agree with you more Jo! My iP4200 will no longer be fed with paper and ink other than Canon's. Now that I have calibrated my monitor, I am even happier. I am now ready to squeeze out all the potential from this excellent printer.

Now I am dreaming of the Pro9000.......

Jo Avila

12-23-2006, 10:29 PM

Lino,

Your printer has two black inks. It uses the larger capacity black ink cartridge solely for printing documents. I own a iP3000. It only has one black ink cartridge. I have used it heavily for printing images, CD labels, index prints, legal documents, seminar handouts, service contracts, sample tests for my kids and a whole lot of other things.

The printer head has shown signs of deteriotation after one year and six months of very heavy use. What was weird though is that its the nozzle of the yellow ink that is affected. All along I thought that I would wear out the nozzles of the black ink ahead of everything else.

Why not check out the iP1000 or iP1200 for your document printing needs. Although, I don't know what inks these printers use and how much they will cost.

Hi Jill and Ann and the rest of the gang,

I have an iP4200 which I exclusively use for photoprinting purposes(thanks to Jo). I am now considering an all purpose printer for documents, e-mail replies and such. What do you recommend?

I also have an Epson C41UX at home (needs inks). and an Epson C41SX at the office (personal use again and needs color ink, too). We were kinda debating at home as to whether have it converted to CIS rather than buy new inks or just buy a new cheaper printer.

I also realize that cheaper printer have more expensive inks and vice versa except probably for some Epson brands that claim that their ink cartridges cost only PHP295. Canon might be coming up with an alternative scheme.
Thanks in advance for the suggestions.

Jo Avila

12-23-2006, 10:41 PM

LOL! I see that you have learned your lesson :D

You have to admit that your folio shots looked a whole lot better when we used original Canon media and a calibrated/profiled display.

Stop dreaming of the Pro 9000 and get one. I had a blast with my Canon Pro 9000 earlier this evening. My wife has maintained very close ties with her friends from law school. Our families always get together every December to have a Christmas party.

I've made it a point to shoot the family portraits of those who attend as a Christmas gift. But what I usually give is an edited file on CD for them to reprint at their convenience.

My wife and I talked about it and we decided to give them something extra special this year. I showed up with my usual camera and lighting gear. But I also brought my Canon Pro 9000 and two packs of Fredrix Inkjet Canvas. Nick was kind enough to loan me the ColorVision PrintFIX Pro and I used it to generate an ICC profile for the Fredrix Inkjet Canvas for my Canon Pro 9000.

We set up a sort of command/editing/output center in the dining room of the house where we were celebrating the party. I had my driver (ever faithful Mang Jun) set up my Powerbook, Wacom Intuos3, Colorvision Spyder and the Canon Pro 9000.

I photographed about seven families. I spent a good part of the party converting my RAW files, retouching and making inkjet canvas prints. At one point, I was joking to my wife that I felt like a hunter at a wedding :D

All the families went home with A3 inkjet canvas prints. Their thanks and smiles made all the effort worthwhile.

@ Nick

Thanks once again for letting me use the PrintFIX Pro. It provided the extra mile I needed to go further to make those who attended the party very happy.

I can't agree with you more Jo! My iP4200 will no longer be fed with paper and ink other than Canon's. Now that I have calibrated my monitor, I am even happier. I am now ready to squeeze out all the potential from this excellent printer.

Now I am dreaming of the Pro9000.......

Jo Avila

12-23-2006, 10:43 PM

Jo Avila

12-23-2006, 10:47 PM

Guys,

The mini-seminar on inkjet printing scheduled for tomorrow (December 24) at my studio is postponed. I have to stay home and be with my kids. I'll post and update of when the next mini-seminar will be held.

Randall Cipriano

12-25-2006, 08:28 PM

I just noticed something, I only have
MP2, PR1, PR2, PR3, SP2, and SP4 profiles for my ip4200.

I bought a GP-401 Glossy Photo Paper, and there's no indication which one I need to use.

Plus, I don't have the ip4200SG ICC profile. :S

Jo Avila

12-25-2006, 11:25 PM

bunny_donato

12-26-2006, 12:09 AM

@ Anton

While you are dreaming of the Canon Pro 9000 I shall be dreaming of the Canon imagePROGRAF iPF5000.

http://www.usa.canon.com/consumer/controller?act=ModelDetailAct&fcategoryid=170&modelid=14005

Someone was kind enough to loan me one for the holidays along with a supply of ink and paper. This baby is definitely on my wishlist :D

@Jo

Wow...this is really something to be on everybodys wish list:) if ever you do decide to get this one and by some chance decide to sell your iP9000 for a good price I just might make a bid on it:D

On a serious note, by any chance is this printer in your studio? If ever I would love to see a sample output of a 12 ink printer:) any idea as to how much this printer costs?

Jo Avila

12-26-2006, 12:30 AM

@ Bunny

The iPF5000 will be delivered to my residence tomorrow evening. I first saw this printer during this year's WPPP Photo Congress. Canon had it on display at their booth.

I have no idea how much this printer costs.

I doubt that I would give up my Pro 9000 if I ever get the iFP5000. I still need a desktop printer.

But why not purchase a brand new Pro 9000 for yourself?

bunny_donato

12-26-2006, 12:40 AM

@ Bunny
I doubt that I would give up my Pro 9000 if I ever get the iFP5000. I still need a desktop printer.

I also think that the Pro 9000 is an overkill for me right now.......a few more lessons on color management and a fatter wallet then i might consider getting a Pro9000:D so far the iP4300 is perfect for my needs

thanks again

Anton Lorenzo

12-26-2006, 10:29 AM

Jo Avila

12-26-2006, 11:35 AM

I remember reading an article before in Bicycling magazine. The article recommended ways to make a rider's cycling experience more interesting.

Among the tips listed was buying either a new handlebar wrap or new bar grips. It was supposed to give you something new to look at while biking along a regular route.

I suppose I feel the same way ever since I got the Pro 9000. I'm now looking for interesting images to shoot just to be able to print them out on the Pro 9000 :D

This is sort of how I felt when my parents had a darkroom built for me at our old residence and purchased the darkroom gear that I needed. It's a different sort of pride in one's work when you get to do everything from shooting to tweaking up until the print is produced.

It doesn't even have to be an expensive high end printer. The printers of Anton and Bunny (iP4200 and iP4300 respectively) performed pretty well when we were testing them.

bunny_donato

12-26-2006, 11:58 AM

@Jo
Yup. cant help but agree....my printer is more than sufficient for my use at the moment. After a visit at your studio the print-outs that i produced were even better than some of the photolabs in the metro:)

Jo Avila

12-26-2006, 12:05 PM

I think you feel that your inkjet prints are more superior to prints produced by some photo labs because you more or less have full control over the quality of the output.

I felt the same way once I got into black & white darkroom printing.

The iP4300 produces wonderful prints if you USE it :D So start printing more photos :D

@Jo
Yup. cant help but agree....my printer is more than sufficient for my use at the moment. After a visit at your studio the print-outs that i produced were even better than some of the photolabs in the metro:)

Alan Fontanilla

12-26-2006, 12:22 PM

Hooray for the Canon iP4000 series (I only have the 4200) ... the prints that I made - given to friends, impressed them and they thought I had a "sophisticated" and "high-end" printer in the house. Of course, nothing beats having the much much better ones ... however, for those requirements (in the not so distant future), I'm sure - good print houses are available for those.

Jo Avila

12-26-2006, 12:29 PM

There is little difference between the iP4200 and iP4300.

This is an earlier post from Jill Santiago regarding the matter:

"The PIXMA iP4300 has more print nozzles, which means it prints slightly faster. It also has a different casing. Not much difference from the iP4200 "

bunny_donato

12-26-2006, 12:54 PM

The iP4300 produces wonderful prints if you USE it :D So start printing more photos :D

I've been printing alot......in fact i have already ordered the pre-cut 4x6 canon paper that you recommended:) my only concern with the printer right now is that i cant seem to get to print on a cd.....been trying the whole morning but it still wont print:Angry:

Jo Avila

12-26-2006, 02:33 PM

Is that why Canon 4R Glossy is out of stock again? :D LOL!

Bunny, are you using the CD Label printing software that came with your printer? Or are you using something else?

bunny_donato

12-26-2006, 02:45 PM

Is that why Canon 4R Glossy is out of stock again? :D LOL!

Bunny, are you using the CD Label printing software that came with your printer? Or are you using something else?

yup, I'm using the software that came with the printer. Should i try using another software to do this?

jill_santiago

12-26-2006, 04:03 PM

Okay, let's take it one at a time.

MP is for Canon Matte Paper. PR is for Canon Photo Pro Paper (which is not locally available). SP is for Canon Plus Glossy photo paper. The numerical values after the paper designation denotes the print quality. This is only for windows users. I do believe that 1 is equivalent to the best print quality and 4 would be the opposite end of the scale.

My suggestion is to use always use the best photo quality setting.

Now about the lack of a profile for glossy paper. My bad. I know that I wrote it down in an earlier post because I assumed that all Canon printers would support Canon Glossy paper. I only recently discovered that this isn't the case with the iP4200 and iP4300.

So, I contacted Jill and asked her for some info regarding this. :D

Yoo-hoo, Jill! We're awaiting the info.

(Or was it Ann that I asked about this?)

Hi Sir Jo,

Sorry for the late post, we actually observed the same with our PIXMA iP4200 in the office only recently since we always use the PP-101 paper, thus we never noticed the lack of the Glossy paper profile.

We escalated this concern to our regional head office in Singapore and they must have replied over the holidays, but I was not able to check yet. Will get back to you ASAP on this once we have word. :)

Thanks!

jill_santiago

12-26-2006, 04:11 PM

Hi Jill and Ann and the rest of the gang,

I have an iP4200 which I exclusively use for photoprinting purposes(thanks to Jo). I am now considering an all purpose printer for documents, e-mail replies and such. What do you recommend?

I also have an Epson C41UX at home (needs inks). and an Epson C41SX at the office (personal use again and needs color ink, too). We were kinda debating at home as to whether have it converted to CIS rather than buy new inks or just buy a new cheaper printer.

I also realize that cheaper printer have more expensive inks and vice versa except probably for some Epson brands that claim that their ink cartridges cost only PHP295. Canon might be coming up with an alternative scheme.
Thanks in advance for the suggestions.

Hi Lino,

I'd recommend that you still use the PIXMA iP4200 for your document printing needs. As what Sir Jo mentioned, your iP4200 has 2 black inks, 1 pigment (PGI-5 black) and 1 dye (CLI-8 black). You use the dye ink for the photos and the pigment black ink is used for your documents.

The beauty of your individual-ink-tank PIXMA iP4200 is that it's an all-purpose printer for both excellent photos AND documents (why else would it have the auto-duplex feature!) And your document prints will come out cheaper than if you purchase the entry-level PIXMA iP1200.

To give you an idea on cost per print, if you consistently print your colored documents (at approximately 15% page coverage) in DRAFT mode, it will cost only about Php2.00 per print! We did an internal study at the office to compute this by printing documents non-stop using one set of inks on the iP4200,

Another suggestion is that you print your documents in DRAFT mode in order to save even more. The Canon PIXMA's draft mode is already of good quality. (but again, don't just take my word for it, try it out! :) ) I tell you, we used the PIXMA iP4200 before in the office and it took FOREVER for the PGI-5 black ink to run out. :)

Just PM me if you've got further concerns that are more specific. Thanks! :)

jill_santiago

12-26-2006, 04:13 PM

yup, I'm using the software that came with the printer. Should i try using another software to do this?

Hi Bunny,

What kind of problems are you encountering with CD-label printing? The tray does not want to feed into the printer or problems with print quality?

There are specific instructions on the software that tell you until where you should insert the CD-tray in the printer. Sometimes we encounter errors in printing on CD's because the tray is not positioned properly.

Hope you're able to work it out! :) Let me know if we can help in any way!

jill_santiago

12-26-2006, 04:15 PM

@ Bunny

Jill is actually part of a very excellent team that handles the Canon inkjet printers. I was just there yesterday to drop off prints I made for them on my Pro 9000.

Thank you for the kind words Sir Jo and Bunny!

We all loved your drawings of "Katrin". :)

Happy Holidays!

Jo Avila

12-26-2006, 11:57 PM

Thank you for the kind words Sir Jo and Bunny!

We all loved your drawings of "Katrin". :)

Happy Holidays!

Let's just hope that Kathryn never finds out that I'm drawing portraits based on her :D

Have Vinchy and Gelo figured out yet that the prints they received of the bald man holding a bunch of balloons is actually me? (He, he, he ....)

bunny_donato

12-27-2006, 12:09 AM

Hi Bunny,

What kind of problems are you encountering with CD-label printing? The tray does not want to feed into the printer or problems with print quality?

There are specific instructions on the software that tell you until where you should insert the CD-tray in the printer. Sometimes we encounter errors in printing on CD's because the tray is not positioned properly.

Hope you're able to work it out! :) Let me know if we can help in any way!

Hi Jill,

my problem is that it wont print into the cd. The tray would feed into the printer but it would immediately eject out without even printing anything. been trying to get it right the whole day. Jo Avila was even kind enough to help me out on this. I followed all that i was suposed to do from the software part to the alignment of the arrows in the tray and the railing. Unfortunately its still not printing. I'm sure I'm just missing out on some minor detail here......if all else fails i will get in touch with you.

Thanks again...appreciate your reply:)

Lino_Felarca

12-27-2006, 01:55 PM

Hi Lino,

I'd recommend that you still use the PIXMA iP4200 for your document printing needs....

...Another suggestion is that you print your documents in DRAFT mode in order to save even more. The Canon PIXMA's draft mode is already of good quality. (but again, don't just take my word for it, try it out! :) ) I tell you, we used the PIXMA iP4200 before in the office and it took FOREVER for the PGI-5 black ink to run out. :)

Just PM me if you've got further concerns that are more specific. Thanks! :)
Hi Jill!

One of the reasons I wanted to buy another printer was that I have this selfish motive of not wanting others at home to mess around with my iP4200 printer.:Grin:

I have some questions sent thru pm. Thank you for the advice.

Lino

Jo Avila

12-28-2006, 10:44 AM

Lino,

Why not a printer like the iP3000? It has four individual ink tanks. But its black ink is just for documents only. This should allow other members of your household to produce documents with color graphics if the need arises - and it also allows you to be the sole user of your iP4200 :D

Lino_Felarca

12-29-2006, 09:15 AM

Hi Jo!

Sadly the iP3000 is out of stock and may no longer be available. Also the iP1200 costs about P1900 and the color inks cost about P1200 a piece. So Jill's suggestion might be a workable solution at present. Unless I buy me another iP4200.

Jo Avila

12-31-2006, 06:30 PM

Lino,

Why not the iP3300? :D Isn't this available locally?

jill_santiago

01-01-2007, 09:25 PM

Lino,

Why not the iP3300? :D Isn't this available locally?

The iP3300 is already available locally, it's got 4 individual ink tanks like the iP3000 before. :) And the cost per print for text documents is about the same as the iP4200.

Difference from the iP4200 is that it does not have the Auto-Duplex feature and the CD-printing feature.

SRP is Php4,995. :)

bunny_donato

01-01-2007, 10:33 PM

@Jill

would it be possible to ask how much are the cost per prints for both documents and photos for the iP4200/4300? a4 or 4r size documents and photo prints?

Thanks in advance

Jo Avila

01-02-2007, 12:36 AM

The iP3300 doesn't have the Auto-duplex and the CD printing feature? Weird. I'm pretty sure that my iP3000 has the Auto duplex feature (I recall reading about it in the manual but I have never used the feature). But I have often used the CD printing feature of my iP3000.

The iP3300 is already available locally, it's got 4 individual ink tanks like the iP3000 before. :) And the cost per print for text documents is about the same as the iP4200.

Difference from the iP4200 is that it does not have the Auto-Duplex feature and the CD-printing feature.

SRP is Php4,995. :)

dindin_lagdameo

01-02-2007, 11:07 AM

@Jill

Can we order the printer straight from you?

@Jo

What's the best printer I can get? Not so expensive, iP4300? And the ideal one?

jill_santiago

01-02-2007, 04:12 PM

@Jill

would it be possible to ask how much are the cost per prints for both documents and photos for the iP4200/4300? a4 or 4r size documents and photo prints?

Thanks in advance

Hi Bunny,

There is no official study on the cost per print as it really varies on the color intensity of the photo and the coverage of the text and graphics of the document. I heard that ISO will soon be releasing a standard photo and document for cost per print analysis but until then we can only give estimates.

A 4x6 photo printed on both the iP3300 and iP4200 will cost conservatively about Php10 for the ink alone. This is based on our internal studies. The cost of the iP3300 is slightly lower by a few centavos but it's not very significant.

For the documents, a colored document printed in draft mode will cost about Php2.00 per page. The draft mode of the iP3300 and iP4200 is already very good. If you print in standard mode, it will probably cost double, like around Php3.50 - Php4.00 per print.

Again, these are all just estimates, but the costs will be more or less as stated above. :)

jill_santiago

01-02-2007, 04:15 PM

[quote=dindin_lagdameo]@Jill

Can we order the printer straight from you?

quote]

Hi DinDin,

Unfortunately, we do not sell directly here at Canon. We sell via our authorized dealers. If you'd like you can PM me where you'd prefer to purchase your printer and I can refer you to a dealer and make sure they have stocks as well.

Thanks! :)

jill_santiago

01-02-2007, 04:18 PM

The iP3300 doesn't have the Auto-duplex and the CD printing feature? Weird. I'm pretty sure that my iP3000 has the Auto duplex feature (I recall reading about it in the manual but I have never used the feature). But I have often used the CD printing feature of my iP3000.

Hi Sir Jo,

Yes, the iP3000 used to have the CD-label feature, but the new iP3300 does not have it because Canon is offering a lower cost option with the new iP3300. The iP3000 used to cost about Php7,500 and the new iP3300 is being offered at a more affordable Php4,995. Print quality is definitely not sacrificed though with the 4 individual ink cartridges. :)

The iP3300 also has 2-way paper feeding meaning you can load both plain paper and photo paper into the printer at the same time, then you can just switch using the printer driver. :)

Jo Avila

01-02-2007, 08:15 PM

I've been heavily printing with my Pro 9000. I've already changed the Photo Cyan cartridge twice, the Photo Magenta Cartridge twice, the Black, Cyan and Magenta cartridges once and the Yellow cartrdige three times. :D

I still can't figure out though why the Red and Green cartridges don't get used up. They still register as full whenever I check ink levels using the Printer Utility.

It really depends on what you print. I know that I use up the yellow and photo magenta cartridges because I print a lot of portraits.

But I think that the cost of P10/4R print seems a bit too high based on my experience.

Hi Bunny,

There is no official study on the cost per print as it really varies on the color intensity of the photo and the coverage of the text and graphics of the document. I heard that ISO will soon be releasing a standard photo and document for cost per print analysis but until then we can only give estimates.

A 4x6 photo printed on both the iP3300 and iP4200 will cost conservatively about Php10 for the ink alone. This is based on our internal studies. The cost of the iP3300 is slightly lower by a few centavos but it's not very significant.

For the documents, a colored document printed in draft mode will cost about Php2.00 per page. The draft mode of the iP3300 and iP4200 is already very good. If you print in standard mode, it will probably cost double, like around Php3.50 - Php4.00 per print.

Again, these are all just estimates, but the costs will be more or less as stated above. :)

Jo Avila

01-02-2007, 08:18 PM

Dindin,

The iP4300 can be purchased from any of the Canon D Zone branches (SM North EDSA Cyberzone, Digital Exchange at the top floor of Glorietta or at Mall of Asia).

I've tested and used most of the Canon Pixma desktop inkjet printers. The iP4200 and iP4300 are very capable inkjket printers and are priced competitively IMO.

But why not consider the Pro 9000? :D Being able to produce an A3+ size print at home is so convenient. Canon Plus Glossy A3 Photo paper is always in stock at any of the Canon DZones :D

@Jill

Can we order the printer straight from you?

@Jo

What's the best printer I can get? Not so expensive, iP4300? And the ideal one?

dindin_lagdameo

01-02-2007, 09:04 PM

HI Jo,

How much do they go for? How much are the cartridges? How often do you change?

All I need to do is do the costing then decide.

Thanks in advance.

Jo Avila

01-02-2007, 09:09 PM

The Pro 9000 has a SRP of P29,950.00

Each cartrdige (regardless of color) costs about P650.00

How often do I change cartrdiges? That depends on how often you print and what you print :D I've replaced my Yellow and Photo Magenta catrdiges most often since I print a lot of portraits.

I've managed to print 20 pieces of A3 prints and 20 A4 prints on Canon Plus Glossy Photo Paper at Best Photo Quality setting with all cartridges at full levels. I checked the ink levels using the Print Utility and the Yellow cartridge was at 50% full and the Photo Magenta cartrdige was at about 75% full. The other cartridges were hardly depleted.

Marton_Benitez

01-02-2007, 11:12 PM

How big prints are you able to print with the pro 9000?
My dad, brother and I are thinking of getting a bigger than a4 sized printer with high quality photo prints.

Jo Avila

01-02-2007, 11:39 PM

The Pro 9000 is capalbe of producing A3+ size prints.

You have the option of using a standard top feed or a straight feed for thicker media.

How big prints are you able to print with the pro 9000?
My dad, brother and I are thinking of getting a bigger than a4 sized printer with high quality photo prints.

dindin_lagdameo

01-03-2007, 07:51 AM

Wow, that's great news, Jo!

Last questions (;-))

Are the papers readily available? How much do they go for?

If the 4300, how much are the ink cartridges and how much photos can I print (give or take)?

Actually, my main concern is the price of the consumables because that's really where the bulk of the cost will accummulate. Lastly, how often does Canon change models, will the ink cartridge models get phased-out even before the printer bogs down or does Canon have some sort of universal ink cartridge models?

Many, many thanks in advance!!!

Jo Avila

01-03-2007, 09:37 AM

A pack of 100 pieces of 4R Canon glossy costs P600.

A pack of 20 pieces of A4 Canon glossy costs P450.00.

A pack of 20 pieces of A4 Canon Plus Glossy costs P600.00

A pack of 20 pieces A3 Canon Plus Glossy costs P1420.00.

The iP4300 uses the same CLI-8 inks as the Pro 9000 (but not the same number of ink cartridges). I don't know how much the document black ink catrdige of the iP4300 costs. But the Photo ink cartrdiges costs about P650 each.

I don't think you should worry about the ink cartrdiges getting phased out. I can still purchase ink cartridges for my Canon iP3000. The iP4200 and iP4300 use the same ink cartrdiges :D

I have no problems purchasing supplies since I always buy from a Canon D-Zone. Although, I have had to purchase inks in the past from a PC store :D

ann_francisco

01-03-2007, 09:47 AM

To add, we also have A4 100 sheets glossy paper for Php 1,475.00 :)

Jo Avila

01-03-2007, 10:04 AM

@ Ann & Jill

Any replies yet from Singapore regarding the ICC profile for Glossy paper for the iP4200 & iP4300 printers? :D

dindin_lagdameo

01-03-2007, 11:51 AM

nino_carandang

01-03-2007, 12:02 PM

@Ann, Jo and Jill

Many thanks for the inputs. It's now the iP4300 or the Pro 9000 for me... hmmmm... tipid or hataw?

Where is Canon D-Zone? *sorry for ignorance*

Oh, and the papers, are they the ones that can last a hundred years?

Hataw din. Pro 9000 already. Close your eyes and plunk down the cash. D-Zone is in Glorietta, 3rd Floor, just right beside where once stood the Epson gallery. As for the paper, ehem... you know where.

CocoyLopez

01-03-2007, 12:42 PM

I'm planning to print for personal use. Would iP4300 a best choice for this? Thanks.

Jo Avila

01-03-2007, 02:13 PM

Dindin,

Get the Pro 9000. Hataw na! :D

It is very convenient to have the flexibility of being able to print from a 4R print to as big as A3+. You've been heavily investing in your camera gear. Wouldn't you want to A3 prints of what you've shot. BTW, A3 is the size of the canvas print that I did for Weenee.

There are three Canon D-Zone branches that I know of. There is one located at SM North Cyberzone. There is another branch at the 4/f of Glorietta at the Digital Exchange. The third branch is at Mall of Asia.

You may purchase inks and paper from the from the D-Zone branches. The prices that I quoted you in my previous post are based on D-Zone prices.

@Ann, Jo and Jill

Many thanks for the inputs. It's now the iP4300 or the Pro 9000 for me... hmmmm... tipid or hataw?

Where is Canon D-Zone? *sorry for ignorance*

Oh, and the papers, are they the ones that can last a hundred years?

Jo Avila

01-03-2007, 02:15 PM

The iP4300 would be ideal given its price and if you don't intend to produce A3 inkjet prints regulary.

I'm planning to print for personal use. Would iP4300 a best choice for this? Thanks.

CocoyLopez

01-03-2007, 02:36 PM

@Jo,

Thank you very much! Cheers!

Florencio de la Merced, J

01-22-2007, 10:20 PM

Bought a Canon MP830 today... this thing is huge...

jake_borres

01-25-2007, 02:29 PM

Jo Avila

01-26-2007, 12:45 PM

@ Jake

No problem. I am happy that you were able to find the instructions that I posted. I will send you the Spyder2 Express as soon as stocks are available. :D

dindin_lagdameo

01-26-2007, 02:33 PM

@Jo

Ipon muna... wish me luck!

Jo Avila

01-28-2007, 09:38 PM

@ Dindin

You had better bring money to the Feb 9 event. There is a good chance that Canon Pixma inkjet printers will be sold at a discount. :D

bunny_donato

01-28-2007, 09:43 PM

I hope canon photo paper would also be on sale:)

Jo Avila

01-28-2007, 09:56 PM

@ Bunny

I HOPE that the PAPER and the INKS will both be on sale! :D

bunny_donato

01-28-2007, 10:05 PM

@Jo

I really really hope so too:D

I hope this wish and hoping wont fall on deaf ears....calling on Canon Marketing:D

Jo Avila

01-28-2007, 10:13 PM

The Canon printers that I have used and tested (iP3000, iP4200, iP4300, iP6700D, i9950, Pro 9000) have so far not disappointed me with their results.

Anton brought his iP4200 last Friday to my studio. One of his classmates in my Advance Photography Seminar saw it and was pleasantly surprised to discover that it came with useful free software (EPP and CD Label Print).

I also recently got to test the iPF500. Hanep. I am seriously considering finding ways and means of owning one :D

ann_francisco

01-28-2007, 10:20 PM

@ Bunny

I HOPE that the PAPER and the INKS will both be on sale! :D

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!:D

Pasimple naman kayo.. :Grin:

Jo Avila

01-28-2007, 10:23 PM

@ Ann

Some of us attending the seminar already own Canon inkjet printers.

Para naman we don't feel left out if a discount is offered :D LOL!

Especially those of us who tend to go through a whole inkset every two weeks on their Canon Pro 9000 (hint, hint ... nuninuninuninuninuni ...... :D)

ann_francisco

01-28-2007, 10:43 PM

Jo Avila

01-28-2007, 10:47 PM

@ Ann

It would help if you pointed out this thread to Jill tomorrow morning as soon as she gets to her desk. LOL!

I am now wondering what other Canon inkjet printer can I test and play around with.

bunny_donato

01-28-2007, 11:17 PM

@ Ann

pasimple?.....were just thinking out aloud:D . pero seriously i think its a good way to entice existing canon printer users to use high quality canon consumables rather than those 3rd party replacements:Grin: its also a good way to entice non-canon printer users to possibly switch knowing that every so often discounts on consumables are being provided for by Canon:)

EricAcosta

05-23-2007, 10:06 AM

bought an IP4300 yesterday, just wondering how to fully use its capabilities. hope to hear from you guys. btw, my pc laptop was calibrated at nick's studio
thanks in advance

EricAcosta

05-23-2007, 10:10 AM

Jo,

Pare, Maraming Salamat sa iyo! I didn't realize that it could make prints that would rival photo shops until you showed me how and I saw it with my own eyes.

doc lino, how are u? never thought u are in photography too. was bitten by the shutterbug a month ago. hope to see you in the range and of course will bring my camera for those shotgun action shots

Jo Avila

05-23-2007, 11:38 PM

And did Nick also tell you that you your display would eventually have to undergo calibration and profiling on a regular basis? :D

Pass by my studio in Greenhills tomorrow (May 24) between 5pm-6pm. Bring your printer and the CD containing the printer driver. I have a few sheets of paper that I can spare.

Let me give you a little step by step.

My studio is at Unit 114, Gold Building, 15 Annapolis street, Greenhills, SJ.

Cheers!

Jo Avila (0917) 5305133

bought an IP4300 yesterday, just wondering how to fully use its capabilities. hope to hear from you guys. btw, my pc laptop was calibrated at nick's studio
thanks in advance

EricAcosta

05-24-2007, 10:41 AM

And did Nick also tell you that you your display would eventually have to undergo calibration and profiling on a regular basis? :D

oh so that's why im gettnig error messages right now on my pc. i thought its a one time calibrate thingy.

EricAcosta

05-24-2007, 07:58 PM

sir Jo, thanks very much for your assistance to a newbie like me.
MORE POWER SIR!

CocoyLopez

05-24-2007, 09:36 PM

When it comes to color management and printer calibration, Jo is your man!

How good he is? Well, he is inviting me to bring my IP6700D so he can make a paper profile for it because Canon forgot (deliberately?) to make one! :D

You're in good hands Eric :). Enjoy your toy and keep shooting!

Jo Avila

05-24-2007, 09:41 PM

@ Eric

No problem :D

The warning that you are getting is because the display profile is not loading properly.

Right click on the wallpaper of your desktop and select Properties. Click on Advanced in the menu that opens up. Select the tab for Color Management. Specify the ICC profile that Nick created for your computer as the display profile.

@ Cocoy

I already have the iP6700D ICC profiles that you seek :D They've already been with me for at least a month now.