I know this has probably been discused before (I am not actually sure if this is the right thread), but I really need your all your help and opinions on this topic. :D

With the advent of the digital revolution, Photography has now become a trend in the market. More and more companies are releasing cameras like how the cellphone industry is producing phone units, and thus, a lot of consumers are jumping into the bandwagon. These days, people think that just because you have a DSLR hanging from your neck, that you are already a photographer. The truth of the matter however is this: Just because you own a DSLR camera does not make you an artist or a photographer. It just makes you a camera owner.

I am sick and tired of seeing people post via Multiply, Flickr or insert-other-popular-file-sharing-site-here, pictures of ordinary objects such as a C2 bottle (with the ubiquitous 'this is my C2 bottle' caption) and multiple self-portraits (usually involving an outstretched arm and a pouty lip), coupled with heavy photoshopping, and labelling it as art.

And I am sure that you, lovely people of DPP, know exactly how I feel.

I hope you don't think of this as a mere ranting of sorts though. The point of this thread is really to obtain research material for my current research paper in English (I am by the way, an undergraduate in the Ateneo De Manila University!), with the subject of 'Photography as Novelty.'

So here goes...

I am in dire need of journal articles, websites, books, and other resources that tackle the digital photography bandwagon. So if anyone out there is willing to help me find sources, or just wish to provide their two cents on this topic, then be my guest.

This is my first post by the way. Please be nice. Hahaha.

Thank you!

:)

Why not get into the novelty bandwagon yourself Deane? That's a good start for an undergrad.
Wear your crocs and a lacoste shirt over columbia trousers and visit Hidalgo for some shopping.

You'll get first hand resource on that no doubt.

Oh, by the way. There's quite plenty of peeps here who have Multiply and Flicker stuff, and many more with C2 bottles, i'm pretty sure you know how they feel now.

You gonna draw a lot to negative criticism from this thread from now on(i hope i'm wrong). I for one does not agree how you approach your research(ing).

Nevertheless, the price of all electronic gadgets (e.i. DSLR and PnS) has gone down drastically and a lot of people now a days can afford to buy one.

Getting more people involved or into photography is good as far as I am concerned whether they do it as their main source of income or to treat it as a hobby. More people would be able to share ideas.

Yes, it could be viewed as a fad or a status symbol for some, worst thing that could happen is seeing an ugly photo :)

You cannot control the fact that there are people who can afford buying a P&S or a DSLR in particular just to be "in".

Live and let live. :)

I'll be devils advocate on this one. I somehow, note:SOMEHOW agree with the OP, with the number of DSLR owners on the rise and a staggering 85% of them owning an entry level camera, it surprises me why not a lot of people flock to any of the major photo classes being offered in the metro. Don't get me wrong, I'm not being an elitist, but the level of mediocrity has gone up in 4 years since I went digital, which is quite alarming indeed, and yes there are those diamonds in the rough who display exceptional talent at what they do, but those people are a rare find.

The phrase "Just because you own a DSLR, doesn't mean you're a photographer.." is a hard pill to swallow. Yes, the DSLR is an investment and Yes, you don't care what I say, it's not your camera it's mine... but if no one takes the time to learn the basics and fundamental how CAN you call yourself a photographer?

I guess that IS the bigger question here: "How CAN you call yourself a photographer?"

If you can answer that then you really shouldn't be here in the first place... you'd be out there taking pretty pictures of the moon. ;)

why lump all digicam & dslr owners into one group - that of a wannabee photog? aren't people who want (and can afford) the best equipment for their family & travel snapshots entitled to do so? does that consider them wannabee photographers? go to concerts, you'll see hundreds of flash popping there (mostly p&s) - i'm sure a majority just want something to remember the event with or brag about in their websites :)

Why not get into the novelty bandwagon yourself Deane? That's a good start for an undergrad.
Wear your crocs and a lacoste shirt over columbia trousers and visit Hidalgo for some shopping.

You'll get first hand resource on that no doubt.


Best advice so far. Experiential research methodologies IMO, are far more reliable than depending on related lit or materials alone. By the time you get into this "bandwagon" of ours, your feelings of "sickness and tiredness" might just dissapear.

And a bit of unsolicited advice, maybe ease off on the generalizations a little bit, doesnt do good for a researcher to have a certain bias already even before he/she obtains the preliminary data needed.:) (unless that is your research statement already, that Photography is indeed a novelty today)

But dont take my word for it, as it may not be the "truth of the matter" after all.:Grin:

I don't think you will gather much material here for your treatise. Most DPP members regard photography very seriously as a source of income, pleasure, or both and not as a novelty. If you want material for your paper, go to Ken Rockwell's website. He claims he is maintaining a photography website as a way to goof off only. You should find his site to be an abundant resource for your undergrad project.

First you insult people. Then you ask for their help. Nice
Most people with cameras are just enjoying their hobby, or gadget. Nothing wrong with that
What does a photographer mean anyway? Somebody who makes money off it?
My 2 cents for your research project

ahh.. i had a friend who had a scant 7 second appearance in an indie film and now parades around calling himself an actor. thing is, everybody has to start somewhere and your so-called bandwagon could be excitement or gung-ho for others. i am happy for what is happening in photography now where the digital revolution has rendered the learning curve to almost nil. don't worry, your pseudo artists now will soon be real artists- at a click of a mouse...

I know this has probably been discused before (I am not actually sure if this is the right thread), but I really need your all your help and opinions on this topic. :D

With the advent of the digital revolution, Photography has now become a trend in the market. More and more companies are releasing cameras like how the cellphone industry is producing phone units, and thus, a lot of consumers are jumping into the bandwagon. These days, people think that just because you have a DSLR hanging from your neck, that you are already a photographer. The truth of the matter however is this: Just because you own a DSLR camera does not make you an artist or a photographer. It just makes you a camera owner.

I am sick and tired of seeing people post via Multiply, Flickr or insert-other-popular-file-sharing-site-here, pictures of ordinary objects such as a C2 bottle (with the ubiquitous 'this is my C2 bottle' caption) and multiple self-portraits (usually involving an outstretched arm and a pouty lip), coupled with heavy photoshopping, and labelling it as art.

And I am sure that you, lovely people of DPP, know exactly how I feel.

I hope you don't think of this as a mere ranting of sorts though. The point of this thread is really to obtain research material for my current research paper in English (I am by the way, an undergraduate in the Ateneo De Manila University!), with the subject of 'Photography as Novelty.'

So here goes...

I am in dire need of journal articles, websites, books, and other resources that tackle the digital photography bandwagon. So if anyone out there is willing to help me find sources, or just wish to provide their two cents on this topic, then be my guest.

This is my first post by the way. Please be nice. Hahaha.

Thank you!

:)

Deanemiguel,

Firstly, all camera owners bought, see, use and treat their cameras differently. They are entitled to that. You must respect that. Not all camera owners are wannabees and not all wannabees stay as such. Some of them end up becoming excellent photographers. Now, how other people see others with DSLRs hanging around their necks is none of your concern. You must respect that part too.

Secondly, why give out the ranting if all you need is help with your school work???

Thirdly, with your schoolwork. Hellooooo.....?! Ah... there's the internet, bookstores and photography courses??? Stop the bashing and work on your resourcefulness.

I know this has probably been discused before (I am not actually sure if this is the right thread), but I really need your all your help and opinions on this topic. :D

With the advent of the digital revolution, Photography has now become a trend in the market. More and more companies are releasing cameras like how the cellphone industry is producing phone units, and thus, a lot of consumers are jumping into the bandwagon. These days, people think that just because you have a DSLR hanging from your neck, that you are already a photographer. The truth of the matter however is this: Just because you own a DSLR camera does not make you an artist or a photographer. It just makes you a camera owner.

I am sick and tired of seeing people post via Multiply, Flickr or insert-other-popular-file-sharing-site-here, pictures of ordinary objects such as a C2 bottle (with the ubiquitous 'this is my C2 bottle' caption) and multiple self-portraits (usually involving an outstretched arm and a pouty lip), coupled with heavy photoshopping, and labelling it as art.

And I am sure that you, lovely people of DPP, know exactly how I feel.

I hope you don't think of this as a mere ranting of sorts though. The point of this thread is really to obtain research material for my current research paper in English (I am by the way, an undergraduate in the Ateneo De Manila University!), with the subject of 'Photography as Novelty.'

So here goes...

I am in dire need of journal articles, websites, books, and other resources that tackle the digital photography bandwagon. So if anyone out there is willing to help me find sources, or just wish to provide their two cents on this topic, then be my guest.

This is my first post by the way. Please be nice. Hahaha.

Thank you!

:)

Before you continue again with your provocative statements, Better contemplate first on what an "art" means. As you know, photography is very artistic in many ways. C2 bottle maybe nothing to you, but for others it is a realization of something. Be nice and you'll get what you need.:D

You seem to already have a pre-conceived idea of what a camera owner is, why are you asking for help? Quite confused here. Anyone pointing a gun at you to view multiply/flickr sites as well?

While I do agree with Ken that with the number of camera users going up resulting to more mediocre pictures being shared, there hasn't been a rule that you can't share mediocre pics either, bottom line is, it's their photos, not yours anyway. They're not selling them to you nor forcing you to look at it.

I'm also "sick and tired" of kids requesting for articles and sites who want other people to do their homeworks for them... What's this, a student bandwagon?

I am sick and tired of seeing people post via Multiply, Flickr or insert-other-popular-file-sharing-site-here, pictures of ordinary objects such as a C2 bottle (with the ubiquitous 'this is my C2 bottle' caption) and multiple self-portraits (usually involving an outstretched arm and a pouty lip), coupled with heavy photoshopping, and labelling it as art.

:)

Can you define what to you is the meaning of art? Just because a picture is ordinary or heavy photoshopped, does it mean that it is not art?

Hehe. A student bandwagon :)

I guess the OP crafted his first post, poorly.
Now, he's taking flak.

One thing about research is to avoid putting personal opinions on the table when trying to elicit for some.

+1 for Ms. Lauren on camera owners may have different usage for their gears aside from art. Some may just want to "document" a family event,friends goofing around while pouting their lips!,or even just remembering how good they felt that day when they were drinking a bottle of C2!For whatever the reason maybe i dont think its fair to generalize camera owners as wanna be photogs.Like what others say everybody has to start somewhere.My peice of advice is if you wanna start your article better look for another forum or try seeing our world through the viewfinder.

"I'm also "sick and tired" of kids requesting for articles and sites who want other people to do their homeworks for them... What's this, a student bandwagon? " <----Gotta love this one sir David!

You sure know how to attract attention in the WRONG WAY :Dum:

Welcome to DPP deanemiguel and good luck :Sick::Sick:

This is supposed to be a research right? Your thread title / topic is already flawed since you have already posted your OWN opinion even before you have started your research work.

And also, this "photography as novelty" trend has been around for ages. We have tons of prints & negatives at home as a testament to that.

The legend of the novelty.

You come to a place with lots of people. Alone. Figuring out what to do, what to say. Don't know what you'll see, don't know who you will bump, don't know what is happening. You start to feel the thump in your chest.... an inside voice shouts... LEEEAAAVE....

Suddenly, you noticed, everyone's talking to each other, everyone having fun, everyone smiling and laughing, making conversations to each other. But no one minding you. You have this sick feeling to leave. Then out of nowhere, you saw someone, who was similarly alone, but he seems to be not feeling sick... then he pulls out a camera from under his neck, he takes pictures of people, keeps shooting the fun. Nobody knows him, yet everybody loves him. They pose, keep posing, they all gather 'round.

Bam! suddenly, you realized, you can be a no one and remain IN the crowd if only you have that neck novelty around you.

And he lived happily ever after...

As for you...
You go home crying like a baby
Asking mommy to give you money
Mommy and Daddy...
i think I want to try out photography
Thinking that maybe... everybody would like me
But stupidity and arrogance to fight the itch caught up with you
So instead of bringing mom's penny to Hidalgo
You ended up calling a friend to tell you
What you missed in the English class at Ateneo
Now you really wanted to tell the world how not IN you felt
During that time you were in that event
And asked around the best of who and what in local photography
To end up typing and discovering the DPP community
This time you may have told yourself
Maybe i could rant some thoughts about myself
And you did without equivocation
Now, the echoes of the ranting have touched other people's profession

The legend of the novelty
Is never about your personality

To resist is futile
What you just did to get results for your project is just inutile
Try again Dean Miguel
The bandwagon hasn't left you yet
But it will if again, the writings on the wall you didn't get.

The legend of the novelty.

You come to a place with lots of people. Alone. Figuring out what to do, what to say. Don't know what you'll see, don't know who you will bump, don't know what is happening. You start to feel the thump in your chest.... an inside voice shouts... LEEEAAAVE....

Suddenly, you noticed, everyone's talking to each other, everyone having fun, everyone smiling and laughing, making conversations to each other. But no one minding you. You have this sick feeling to leave. Then out of nowhere, you saw someone, who was similarly alone, but he seems to be not feeling sick... then he pulls out a camera from under his neck, he takes pictures of people, keeps shooting the fun. Nobody knows him, yet everybody loves him. They pose, keep posing, they all gather 'round.

Bam! suddenly, you realized, you can be a no one and remain IN the crowd if only you have that neck novelty around you.

And he lived happily ever after...

As for you...
You go home crying like a baby
Asking mommy to give you money
Mommy and Daddy...
i think I want to try out photography
Thinking that maybe... everybody would like me
But stupidity and arrogance to fight the itch caught up with you
So instead of bringing mom's penny to Hidalgo
You ended up calling a friend to tell you
What you missed in the English class at Ateneo
Now you really wanted to tell the world how not IN you felt
During that time you were in that event
And asked around the best of who and what in local photography
To end up typing and discovering the DPP community
This time you may have told yourself
Maybe i could rant some thoughts about myself
And you did without equivocation
Now, the echoes of the ranting have touched other people's profession

The legend of the novelty
Is never about your personality

To resist is futile
What you just did to get results for your project is just inutile
Try again Dean Miguel
The bandwagon hasn't left you yet
But it will if again, the writings on the wall you didn't get.

Poetry bandwagon:D

hi dean,

seems to me you underestimated the passion, not to mention the brotherhood in this photography forum. when your simple thread could turn into an anthropological study and even inspire poetry from the least poetic place in the country (subic)- be afraid.. be very afraid...

Hahahahahaaaa!!!!!....

Dear Dean,

The yellow lines are back.
The only lines you will need.

The answer to Dean's request is simply on word, most often forgotten, is GOOGLE. I'm closely monitoring this thread and readying my stash of butong pakwan (I don't have popcorn) and a nice bottle of minute maid.

Hmnnn.... since we're at it, and the theater is ready, anybody want a cover poster?

Hmnnn.... since we're at it, and the theater is ready, anybody want a cover poster?

OT: As long as we're exclusive, I don't mind.

The answer to Dean's request is simply on word, most often forgotten, is GOOGLE. I'm closely monitoring this thread and readying my stash of butong pakwan (I don't have popcorn) and a nice bottle of minute maid.

+1

Gone are the days of popcorn and beer sir Nino? :Grin:

Cooking....

The Novelty Client.

novelty magazine please....pretty please...with sugar on top...

".... current research paper in English (I am by the way, an undergraduate in the Ateneo De Manila University!) "

I think the Jesuits are gasping in disbelief.

It's "THE" Ateneo De Manila University. The preposition should be "at":-)

Google is your friend.

Just because you own a DSLR camera does not make you an artist or a photographer.

What makes you or anyone else a photographer? In its simplest definition, photographers are people who take photographs with their cameras. I guess, what you should have said was "Just because you own a DSLR camera doesn't make you a good photographer". You might consider me part of the bandwagon. I have a flickr and a multiply site and I do have a lot of pictures of coke bottles (though I don't have a C2 bottle closeup picture). Unfortunately, I don't have a self portrait shot.

If you think about it, even the most brilliant photographers in the world started out as "camera owners" who likes to take closeup pictures and might have a self-portrait picture (though I seriously doubt that Ansel Adams had a flickr site :) ). Everyone has to start somewhere. Ask any professional photographers here about their life story. More or less, they started out as hobbyist who took their hobby to the next level.

It's a really great thing that DSLRs now are cheaper compared to 10 years ago. I really wanted to enter this hobby since high school but cannot afford it back then. I had to content myself with a P&S camera and my dad's range finder. Luckily, the prices of DSLR dropped and I was able to afford one. I am truly happy that prices now are a lot cheaper and more people can start venturing the photography hobby. Is that a bad thing? Well, not really, in my opinion.

Sheesh... I go away for 5 hours and already there's talk of butong pakwan. :D

if the OP's research paper is titled "Photographers' Reactions to Photography Being a Novelty", he would have succeeded :)

Wow lots of tension here looks like the thread owner hit lot of hearts :P. well I do agree with him on the photography bandwagon , but I believe Its a good as long you make the most out of photography

Seed lovers.... start cracking..

http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee317/v8designstudio/NoveltyMag1.jpg

Seed lovers.... start cracking..

http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee317/v8designstudio/NoveltyMag1.jpg

wahhhhhahahaha!!

Seed lovers.... start cracking..

http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee317/v8designstudio/NoveltyMag1.jpg

GREAT ISSUE!!! A must have. More power to ... errrr novelty mag. Ngyahahaha. Nice one Marlo. :D:D:D

Seed lovers.... start cracking..

http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee317/v8designstudio/NoveltyMag1.jpg

Oh boy... here we go again.. :D

*cracks open some sung-song peanuts....

"wet dream on photography" haha thats a good one =p

Don't you all just love to be a guest?...

Cooking another one...

there you go dean- couldn't think of a better title page for your dissertation. FREE OF CHARGE!

feed the troll!
o wait, wheres the troll?

Don't you all just love to be a guest?...

Cooking another one...

A lesser mind would actually think that your Mag covers are offensive... ;)

@ Marlo - it seems as if it was just yesterday (when it was in fact just 7 months ago) that you graced our lives in the color grey.... hahahaha!

SENSATIONAL researcher wanted!!!!!

Try to be a news anchor also, people are watching.

how can we subscribe? :)

EXCELLENT MAG! (DPP should be worried with this new competing mag!)

thank you very much MASTER MARLO!! our friendly weather man here in toronto just issued a severe cold warning in the order of -36 degree celsius- where exposed flesh could freeze in mere 5 minutes. we're in the throes of a deep freeze but thanks to you-- I'M FEELING HOT HOT HOT!!!

And I am sure that you, lovely people of DPP, know exactly how I feel.


yes dean, we do now :Grin:

A lesser mind would actually think that your Mag covers are offensive... ;)

@ Marlo - it seems as if it was just yesterday (when it was in fact just 7 months ago) that you graced our lives in the color grey.... hahahaha!

The lesser minds can always.... set up there own forum, hahahaha.

This is another DPP exclusive! Woohoo!!!

Seed lovers.... start cracking..

http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee317/v8designstudio/NoveltyMag1.jpg


and you even picked one with the lady holding the cam hahahahahaha! :D

ok guys, take it easy.

Wow! This thread is really picking up!All i have to do is just hit F5!:D

hahaha this is a good read..was contemplating on writing semthing long against the thread starter but he's just not worth it..son, just one advise...when you come into someone else's house, don't come bargin' in...pay respect! hold your tounge...or at least be careful with your words!

Enought OT from me now.

Although I have SOMEWHAT agreed to a very minimal degree with the OP, let me reiterate the feeling of amazement that his deductions are mostly unfounded. Yes the level of mediocrity has gone up exponentially, but that means more willing students for Photography Classes and Seminars... IF they pony up the cash to actually attend them.

There's a reason why most people consider photography a HOBBY.. ok class... your next lesson is to define... H-O-B-B-Y and use it in a sentence.. :D

"Flame Off!" - Human Torch (Fantastic 4)

@topic starter, it was so fortunate that i was actually drinking C2 while reading this...

so, here's my C2 bottle for you from one "wannabee" photographer like me(or probably just a camera owner only).
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g294/rey-ninen/DSC03037copy.jpg
this photo will make great material for your report.

i even placed my signature for you, so you'll have proof in your report that indeed it was taken by a "wannabee" (or just a camera owner only) like me.

Hmm. I wasn't expecting such negativity, but hey, thank you for your time! I appreciate it, still. :)

And you all crack me up, seriously. Made my day. :D

Hmm. I wasn't expecting such negativity, but hey, thank you for your time! I appreciate it, still. :)

The cause of the negative reactions was your hasty generalization. Not everyone is a photographer because they want to be part of a bandwagon.

There are photographers here in the forum who are passionate about their craft.

Most of them may be hobbyists. Some of them may like taking photos just for the fun of it. But they're still passionate about their craft.

But, if you look at it from another perspective, you might be able to claim the same thing about other hobbies.

I see a lot of mountain bikers who never go off road. But they have full suspension. They have racing components on their mountain bikes.

(I am just citing an observation.)

True, there may be mediocre images being shared on the net. But we all have to start somewhere. Posting images in forums like DPP for C&C is a great way to improve your vision and skill as a photographer.

I won't deny that there are digital photographers who purchase the gear and shoot because it seems cool. Or because they like the technical aspect of photography in general.

The other forum members are irritated with your post because you generalized. Hence, they were offended.

Personally, I wouldn't know how I would react if you tried to do the same thing at my photography class at the Ateneo.

Cheers!

Jo Avila

Wow, this thread is less than a day old and it has now rubbed against a few nerves, caused a mag cover and a new mag to be launched, stirred up some guy caught in the deep chill somewhere in Canada, and lots more.

First, welcome to DPP, Deane!!! Lots of things to learn here.

Second, I would like to invite you to try the "SEARCH" feature in the menu bar of the DPP webpage. There's this thread where Mr. Ben Luna crafted a treatise on printing one's photos to round out one's journey in the hallowed grounds of photography. There are more. Try reading those and come back to post additional questions/clarifications -- hopefully, in a more focused way. You'll likely fare better that way and obtain better, more cerebral responses.

Third, I hope you'll find it inyour heart to take the responses as they are. They're a gold mine (see? sombody has even suggested a better title for your paper?) That's part of your educational experience. Tune in to DPP as often as you can.

Fourth, +1 on the suggestion for you to get a camera and tread that side of "calling one's self a photographer", to enable you to view matters from another angle. Who knows? You might just discover that you like it.

Fifth, if you get around to digging deeper, photos of that ubiquitous C2 bottle or some other mundane subjects (tsinelas, beer cans, wine bottles, ad nauseum) have stories to tell. The story could well be about one's struggle to grasp the various principles of photography --e.g., lighting, composition, exposure, focus, technical aspects like getting that perfect sweat on the bottle to show that it contains some cold liquid, etc.

Sixth, post processing (or PP or "photoshop-ing) is also an oft-discussed and disputed (on occasion) topic. Use the Search button to find out more.

Seventh, I don'treally know what you meant by "And I am sure that you, lovely people of DPP, know exactly how I feel." My mind-reader device from CDR King is notworking well. I suggest that you ruminate on this statement some more and come back with a clearer idea for us to respond to.

Eighth, check out that "EB Announcements" section. Try to join one, if you can, and interact with the participants so you get your first hand experience on what camera-toting humans do and think.

There are more, but that's all for now.

Kuya Basil, I responded to your PM (ooops, OT)

I can't wait for that next mag cover, Marlo:D:D:D

And you all crack me up, seriously. Made my day. :D

oh just call us MARLO AND HIS BAND OF MERRY MEN...

OT- hey kuya dan, my reply won't go through again. i will try again or email ya!

Marlo, make that a cover photo a C2 photo. :D :D

Fifth, if you get around to digging deeper, photos of that ubiquitous C2 bottle or some other mundane subjects (tsinelas, beer cans, wine bottles, ad nauseum) have stories to tell. The story could well be about one's struggle to grasp the various principles of photography --e.g., lighting, composition, exposure, focus, technical aspects like geeting that perfect sweaton the bottle to show that it contains some cold liquid, etc.



LOL! I just remembered that all of my photography students are required to shoot a bottle of Coke :D

Cheers!

Jo Avila

LOL! I just remembered that all of my photography students are required to shoot a bottle of Coke :D

Cheers!

Jo Avila

And that would be for a "product photography" I guess sir Jo. :)

And that would be for a "product photography" I guess sir Jo. :)

Nope. Its an assignment for my basic photography class. I've been having students shoot Coke bottles for one of their assignments ever since I began teaching (1994) :D

Cheers!

Jo Avila

LOL! I just remembered that all of my photography students are required to shoot a bottle of Coke :D

Cheers!

Jo Avila

And for a few nights there, I thought you were being cruel. My wife and son have been banging their heads on this subject.

The good thing is that we enjoyed drinking Coke:D:D:D

LOL! I just remembered that all of my photography students are required to shoot a bottle of Coke :D

Cheers!

Jo Avila

And so the Teacher has spoken! :D

And C2 is a product of the Coca Cola Group of Companies too! See... connected pa naman ah!

P.S. - Nice seeing you around again Jo!

Dan, the C2 will be the next cover.

and to all of us Merry Men...
Plant the seeds...

http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee317/v8designstudio/NoveltyMag2.jpg

And for a few nights there, I thought you were being cruel. My wife and son have been banging their heads on this subject.

The good thing is that we enjoyed drinking Coke:D:D:D

LOL! That's the first time I ever got that feedback from the Coke bottle assignment.

But banging their heads is good. It means that they were thinking about the shot.

Something all of us benefit from before pressing the camera's shutter trigger.

(OT: BTW, thanks for the coffee and muscovado :D).

Cheers!

Jo Avila

First of all, everyone starts as a newbie. I haven't heard ot seen anyone that his first shot is already a masterpiece in the Ansel Adams or Avedon level. Just because he/she started shooting C2 bottles in his first few shutter counts doesn't make him bandwagon.

I've been in the forum long enough to witness of lot of newbies that have honed their skills and now they are shooting alongside with the best in the industry.

2nd, you're right that not everyone with a camera is a photographer. Same as not everyone with a hammer is carpenter, and the analogies could simply go on... But do we really judge people with the tools they own or with the output they produce?

I would agree there's a lot of ugly crappy photos out there, but lets set aside the beginner who's trying to learn; with the ''blind'' photographers who don't know his photos are crap.

Lastly, its ELITIST to brand folks going into photography or buying a dSLR as bandwagonesque. I know a majority of folks who bought dSLR to record their own memories without any intention of doing anything artsy with it.

Then, there's also a fair majority that wants to go into photography for arts sake. They got into photography because it has become readily available for them. There are online galleries to display their work, dSLR is cheap as heck now, and with digital photography you can take 10,000 shots and only spend 1000pesos on a CF/SD. If 20 years ago, everyone could afford an Nikon F4 or F5 with a huge fund to experiment with film, I'm sure a lot will go into photography still.

Nope. Its an assignment for my basic photography class. I've been having students shoot Coke bottles for one of their assignments ever since I began teaching (1994) :D

Cheers!

Jo Avila

Oh I see. Thanks sir Jo.

There you go Dean. Why don't you enroll in one of sir Jo's class? Who knows, you might pick up a lot of useful insights there for your paper. And also, you might end up photographing Coke bottles instead of C2s for a change as well. That way, it would somehow help you to realize a bit what's behind them shooting C2 bottles or Coke. :)

Nope. Its an assignment for my basic photography class. I've been having students shoot Coke bottles for one of their assignments ever since I began teaching (1994) :D

Cheers!

Jo Avila

Maybe if they ask me to teach here at our school again I'll use a C2 bottle instead! :Grin:

And so the Teacher has spoken! :D

And C2 is a product of the Coca Cola Group of Companies too! See... connected pa naman ah!

P.S. - Nice seeing you around again Jo!

That never occurred to me.

I remember in the past, some photography teachers would ask their students to photography chicken eggs. The light illuminating the egg would come from different directions and angles. It was supposed to be an exercise in lighting.

I suppose the OP was trying to draw a distinction between a mediocre shot of a C2 bottle (with no thought whatsoever for the message they were trying to convey) versus a C2 bottle shot that was done with a purpose in mind.

Cheers!

Jo Avila

Wow, this thread is buzzing....

When i wrote my reply it was at page 3... Now its page 8 or is it 9 already??? hehehe

That never occurred to me.

I remember in the past, some photography teachers would ask their students to photography chicken eggs. The light illuminating the egg would come from different directions and angles. It was supposed to be an exercise in lighting.

I suppose the OP was trying to draw a distinction between a mediocre shot of a C2 bottle (with no thought whatsoever for the message they were trying to convey) versus a C2 bottle shot that was done with a purpose in mind.

Cheers!

Jo Avila

Like what I was trying to say in my post on the first page.. it really all boils down to your basics and fundamentals, nail that and one will be able to grow as a photographer.

The greatest advice my mentor gave me was to read photography magazines and look at a lot of photos, imitate and integrate your own interpretation and style in to the final photo, it still holds true to this day as it did 5 years ago.

Wow, this thread is buzzing....

When i wrote my reply it was at page 3... Now its page 8 or is it 9 already??? hehehe

Bandwagon effect :D LOL!

Cheers!

Jo Avila

Dear Dean,

I almost forgot.
As soon as you hit Hidalgo for your new toy.
I want you to discover Mayer.
On a very bad day when no one is buying.
Go find Mang Ramon.

He'll either help you, or maybe eat you.

Alive.

Wooohooo....

The next time you do something like this, Marlo, plese consider sending us enough medicines for stomach-ache.

I am laughing hard as I type this response
:D:D:D:D:D:D

Dear Dean,

I almost forgot.
As soon as you hit Hidalgo for your new toy.
I want you to discover Mayer.
On a very bad day when no one is buying.
Go find Mang Ramon.

He'll either help you, or maybe eat you.

Alive.

Wooohooo....

Dear Dean,

I almost forgot.
As soon as you hit Hidalgo for your new toy.
I want you to discover Mayer.
On a very bad day when no one is buying.
Go find Mang Ramon.

He'll either help you, or maybe eat you.

Alive.

Wooohooo....


Wait lang... I dropped my sung-song peanuts!!!!!! :D

Maybe if they ask me to teach here at our school again I'll use a C2 bottle instead! :Grin:

Don't ask them to shoot a C2 bottle.

Ask them to shoot a Pepsi bottle instead.

Afterwards, we'll get your students and my students together for one big photo contest :D

The cola wars has spread to photography! LOL!

Cheers!

Jo Avila

Don't ask them to shoot a C2 bottle.

Ask them to shoot a Pepsi bottle instead.

Afterwards, we'll get your students and my students together for one big photo contest :D

The cola wars has spread to photography! LOL!

Cheers!

Jo Avila


Hahahaha!!! Sure! I'll remember that! :D

Hirap naman Dan ng req mo. Can anyone help me with a link on a C2 photo worthy of a conversationalist cover?

Should I jump on the bandwagon and shoot one na din as well?....

What do you think Dean?

@ Marlo - gimme like 15 minutes...

15 mins later..

Bro YGPM! :D

You're a genius Ken!
Love it!

Kate,

How could you? You missed the exclamation point at the end of the sentence. :)

".... current research paper in English (I am by the way, an undergraduate in the Ateneo De Manila University!) "
I think the Jesuits are gasping in disbelief.
It's "THE" Ateneo De Manila University. The preposition should be "at":-)
Google is your friend.

This lambast the people then ask for their help is getting very frequent in DPP.

I saw this somewhere:

http://tinyurl.com/ayt63n

Seed lovers.... start cracking..

http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee317/v8designstudio/NoveltyMag1.jpg

So Marlo... Where's the second cover? ;)

".... current research paper in English (I am by the way, an undergraduate in the Ateneo De Manila University!) "

I think the Jesuits are gasping in disbelief.

It's "THE" Ateneo De Manila University. The preposition should be "at":-)

Google is your friend.

Nice catch... I think Ateneo has a course for Non-english speaking students... Maybe this paper is for that course...

@TS
Prudence is a virtue. My Jesuit professor in Philosophy sternly taught me that 12 years ago. Don't they teach that in Ateneo anymore? Or you just missed the lesson? I hope it's the latter. DPP/photography enthusiasts have already expressed what I had in mind regarding your first post, so there's no need for me to scold you. :) I hope this serves as a lesson to you lad.

@ALL
Please, forgive Dean. He knows not what he is saying. :Grin:

I remember in the past, some photography teachers would ask their students to photography chicken eggs. The light illuminating the egg would come from different directions and angles. It was supposed to be an exercise in lighting.

Jo Avila
Sir Jo, my photography professor gave us the same project way back 11 years ago. And I thought those eggs were trivial. I was wrong. In photography, nothing is trivial.

One thing she's good at, though.

SHE CATCHES A LOT OF ATTENTION!!!!

Isn't that a good thing? At least........

How about, let's set a photoshoot exclusively for Deane(you as our model). We are going to armed ourselves with the best DSLR cam and lenses. what do you think?

And let's have an exhibit in your university.

How about, let's set a photoshoot exclusively for Deane(you as our model). We are going to armed ourselves with the best DSLR cam and lenses. what do you think?

And let's have an exhibit in your university.
Nice idea! Set a date sir Rem. I hope I can get my K20d before that. ^_^

Is that you Mon?
My oh my... I can't believe it!!!

I just can't believe it....
Shaking my head in disbelief...

So your past time is to hunt for fellow Atenista bloopies eh?

Great to have you in THE house!

No offense to the Alma Mater (She's got nothing to do here).
But this is the Merry Men's corner, hell's little hole...
So grab you seeds and start crackin'...

Sounds like some newbies in deviantart of long ago who act like they're the "pure race" because they have a D.A account instead.

Even if they have galleries with blurry images.

<snip>I am sick and tired of seeing people post via Multiply, Flickr or insert-other-popular-file-sharing-site-here, pictures of ordinary objects such as a C2 bottle (with the ubiquitous 'this is my C2 bottle' caption) and multiple self-portraits (usually involving an outstretched arm and a pouty lip), coupled with heavy photoshopping, and labelling it as art. <snip>

@topic starter, it was so fortunate that i was actually drinking C2 while reading this...

so, here's my C2 bottle for you from one "wannabee" photographer like me(or probably just a camera owner only).
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g294/rey-ninen/DSC03037copy.jpg
this photo will make great material for your report.

i even placed my signature for you, so you'll have proof in your report that indeed it was taken by a "wannabee" (or just a camera owner only) like me.


Who actually is the wannabe photographer?

I haven't seen any reply from the Thread Starter.

Commercial :

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Hoi, hoi, hoi...
Oly, oly, oy...
Sino'ng matalo..
Shang unggoi..
Wala sa likod, wala sa harap...
Ang di pa nakatago ay sha'ng taya.

Dean, you still allergic with bottles?
If you're sick and tired of enlarged necklaces that looks like cameras on straps, drink up a C2, soon enough, its tea content will actually help your stomach relax after releasing crap all day.

Photo courtesy of Da Man.... Ken Tamayo.

http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee317/v8designstudio/NoveltyMag3.jpg

Dean, you still allergic with bottles?
If you're sick and tired of enlarged necklaces that looks like cameras on straps, drink up a C2, soon enough, its tea content will actually help your stomach relax after releasing crap all day.

Photo courtesy of Da Man.... Ken Tamayo.

http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee317/v8designstudio/NoveltyMag3.jpg

Ken and Marlo, your work epitomizes what the "bandwagon" is not!!!!:):):)

Deane, by now, you have a tome of material for your paper. I hope you don't take my word in any negative way, but you've inadvertently found your way into the hornet's nest, where rubber meets the road called Reality. If you write it right, I'm almost sure that your prof will find your paper very unique, at the very least.:Grin:

Don't disappoint us with a pasang-awa grade!!! :D

Is that you Mon?
My oh my... I can't believe it!!!

I just can't believe it....
Shaking my head in disbelief...

So your past time is to hunt for fellow Atenista bloopies eh?

Great to have you in THE house!

No offense to the Alma Mater (She's got nothing to do here).
But this is the Merry Men's corner, hell's little hole...
So grab you seeds and start crackin'...
Haha! I'm glad to be here Master Marlo. ^_^
Those Novelty Mags gave me a good laugh. Pa-subscribe! (trans: MORE!!!)

i can't decide which of the 3 magazine covers i like best... i just luv the wit! good job, merry men! :)

Haha! I'm glad to be here Master Marlo. ^_^
Those Novelty Mags gave me a good laugh. Pa-subscribe! (trans: MORE!!!)

Welcome Mon to DPP.
Everything here is a group effort, ain't just me.
Drop the prefix, not comfortable with it.

So, you still got seeds??

i can't decide which of the 3 magazine covers i like best... i just luv the wit! good job, merry men! :)

Ah, our pretty Ms. Lauren...
I have another one that'll crack you up...

Cooking....

Ms. Lauren and Mon, here's for you both.

Lovingly dedicated to Dean and his English class.

http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee317/v8designstudio/NoveltyMag4.jpg

Ms. Lauren and Mon, here's for you both.

Lovingly dedicated to Dean and his English class.

http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee317/v8designstudio/NoveltyMag4.jpg

Best ever, IMHO... Hehehe... :Grin:

Best ever, IMHO... Hehehe... :Grin:


catty, IMHO hahaha! :D

Ms. Lauren and Mon, here's for you both.

Lovingly dedicated to Dean and his English class.

http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee317/v8designstudio/NoveltyMag4.jpg

Is that a tiger or a lion or an ungroomed pussycat?

Is it male or female?

The camera, Nikon or Canon?

Deane, introduce yourself some more. Simba or Nalla? (ps: see subsequent posts)
hahahahahaha:D:D:D:D

Is that a tiger or a lion or an ungroomed pussycat?

Is it male or female?

the camera, Nikon or Canon?

hahahahahaha:D:D:D:D

Dear Dan, you actually got me to rethink my thoughts.
Suddenly, i realized, I don't have any idea if the OP is Deane? or Dean?
In which case, the balls may not be as apt.

Whichever, homework is done, with matching URL links at that.

Dear Dan, you actually got me to rethink my thoughts.
Suddenly, i realized, I don't have any idea if the OP is Deane? or Dean?
In which case, the balls may not be as apt.

Whichever, homework is done, with matching URL links at that.

Marlo,

Does it matter if he's a she or a he? You're talking about balls as in basketball, golfballs, bowling balls... I don't know of any other kind that you play around with...

:Grin:

Marlo,

Does it matter if he's a she or a he? You're talking about balls as in basketball, golfballs, bowling balls... I don't know of any other kind that you play around with...

:Grin:

I am sooooo laughing Melvin...
There's actually those that Lion kings, and queens as well ,play around with privately...
but this is serious OT, please forgive.

(I'm still laughing....)

man this has really picked up..it's fascinating, entertaining, and educating at the same time...

ohh and great mag covers sir marlo..love 'em to bits.....they keep me fallin off my chair hehehe..especially the one with the lion..good thing i didn't drop my c2 hehe

@ Marlo! Ahlabit! Danda nung cover with C2... but teh kitteh tayks teh keyk!

P.S. send me a full res copy of mine! :D

easy with the kid.... before our dear admin decides to close the thread...

cool it off with a cold beer or something else.. :)

You're all getting me the wrong way. Some of you have even put what I said out of context, but to reply to each and every one would take up a long while, so I'd rather not.

I didn't say that I didn't like the fact that a lot of people are pursuing Photography now. Contrary to what most of you are insinuating, I actually like it! I like that more and more people are showing interest in it.

The focus of my paper is not to criticize these 'photography wannabees' (which I never even said! I'm just quoting what most of you guys mentioned), but rather, to encourage these people to try to explore their craft by taking photography classes, reading books, etc.

And I never said that it's illegal to post snap shots. Hell, we all have the freedom to take pictures of whatever we like, and to post them wherever we wish to post them. What my paper just wants is for people NOT to forget the Art aspect in photography. By all means, I wish for us all to embrace the current advancements in technology, but as Ayman Lofty mentioned in his journal article Art Photography, “The basic guidelines of artwork must not be forgotten: quality, composition, and visual attraction.”

Oh, and I as for the 'homework' thing. I didn't force this upon you guys. When did I ever say that you should do my homework for me? I gave you a choice. I said, "if there's anyone willing." I just thought that since most of you are interested in photography (why else would you be here, right?) that some of you would be able to help.

But once again, thank you. Thank you for your replies. Thank you for the effort in posting C2 pictures! You're all great people. :)

Oh, and I deeply apologize if I ever offended anyone. I didn't mean for that to happen. Sorry. :)

You're all getting me the wrong way. Some of you have even put what I said out of context, but to reply to each and every one would take up a long while, so I'd rather not.

I didn't say that I didn't like the fact that a lot of people are pursuing Photography now. Contrary to what most of you are insinuating, I actually like it! I like that more and more people are showing interest in it.

The focus of my paper is not to criticize these 'photography wannabees' (which I never even said! I'm just quoting what most of you guys mentioned), but rather, to encourage these people to try to explore their craft by taking photography classes, reading books, etc.

And I never said that it's illegal to post snap shots. Hell, we all have the freedom to take pictures of whatever we like, and to post them wherever we wish to post them. What my paper just wants is for people NOT to forget the Art aspect in photography. By all means, I wish for us all to embrace the current advancements in technology, but as Ayman Lofty mentioned in his journal article Art Photography, “The basic guidelines of artwork must not be forgotten: quality, composition, and visual attraction.”

Oh, and I as for the 'homework' thing. I didn't force this upon you guys. When did I ever say that you should do my homework for me? I gave you a choice. I said, "if there's anyone willing." I just thought that since most of you are interested in photography (why else would you be here, right?) that some of you would be able to help.

But once again, thank you. Thank you for your replies. Thank you for the effort in posting C2 pictures! You're all great people. :)

you probably should have made your initial post clearer..try to read it again and you'll probably understand what the reactions are all about..you never discussed anything about encouraging people to explore photography by taking up classes in the first post .. if you were able to write that down initially and made your point clearer, things would have turned out differently imo:Grin:

cheeers!

Oh mannnn....
I thought this was finished...
Seeds are aplenty i guess...

So Dean, you boy or gurl?

I still have ideas on me head.

Oh mannnn....
I thought this was finished...
Seeds are aplenty i guess...

So Dean, you boy or gurl?

I still have ideas on me head.

more mag covers sir marlo hehehe:Grin:

Oh, and I deeply apologize if I ever offended anyone. I didn't mean for that to happen. Sorry. :)

Dean,

Reality bites!:) I also learned my lesson here... It's what we call "baptism by fire".

Welcome! My friend.

From your latest long post:

<snip>
I didn't say that I didn't like the fact that a lot of people are pursuing Photography now. Contrary to what most of you are insinuating, I actually like it! I like that more and more people are showing interest in it.
<snip>

From your original post:
<snip>
These days, people think that just because you have a DSLR hanging from your neck, that you are already a photographer. The truth of the matter however is this: Just because you own a DSLR camera does not make you an artist or a photographer. It just makes you a camera owner.

I am sick and tired of seeing people post via Multiply, Flickr or insert-other-popular-file-sharing-site-here, pictures of ordinary objects such as a C2 bottle (with the ubiquitous 'this is my C2 bottle' caption) and multiple self-portraits (usually involving an outstretched arm and a pouty lip), coupled with heavy photoshopping, and labelling it as art.
<snip>


My English is not from Ateneo but your latest post cleary is not what you meant by your first post.

Randy has a point there, your last comment is contradictory to your original post.

P.S. - Hey Marlo send me a copy of the C2 cover will ya? Thanx!

Ken, gimme til the end of business day today will ya? Other than this thread which takes away my stress, the studio is filled to the brim with deadlines. Mannnnn... Ain't friday supposed to be flyday? why can't i fly? Dang!

Ken, gimme til the end of business day today will ya? Other than this thread which takes away my stress, the studio is filled to the brim with deadlines. Mannnnn... Ain't friday supposed to be flyday? why can't i fly? Dang!

LOL! No prob Marlo, hey which reminds me I'll be in Subic til sunday, for work unfortunately. Hit me up if you want to. PM nalang.. OT na eh. hee hee

i guess it is true: what you say can and will be used against you :D

Randy you're a genius!

I just got new material for another cover.

Woohooo!!!..

:) I never thought that I'll have something nice to read before the next Naruto manga chapter is released...

Hehe, this thread reminds me of another thread... about the guy who warned photographers not to shoot in a plane's economy class... :D.

Lunch is served.

http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee317/v8designstudio/NoveltyMag5.jpg

I agree with what most of those who commented here have stressed in the earlier parts of this thread: Everybody, at some point, has to begin somewhere. You don’t emerge a pro; majority of the best photographers around started this as a hobby, then found that they actually enjoy it, and got passionate about the craft that they decided to pursue it. Even Ansel Adams started it as a hobby (he was into music first before he got into photography—his father gave him a camera during his adolescent years).

Also, I would like to reiterate the fact that it is NOT a bad thing for people to be grabbing the opportunity to purchase DSLRs, now that they are becoming more and more affordable. Who knows, one of those “camera owners” might be the next big thing in photography?

As for us here getting you the wrong way, then maybe you can first take a look at yourself. Had it ever occurred to you that maybe you started this thread the WRONG way?

Deane, I think you’ve earned so much flak already for your not-so-well-thought-of “plea” for us here in DPP to help you with your undergraduate research—this means that you’re still in school, so get all the knowledge (especially in grammar) you can get from your Alma Mater (I pity your school for having their prestigious name dragged into your little showcase of grammatical incapacity). When you get out of school, the real world is a lot nastier than you think.

For this, I hope you have learned your lesson. (And by the way, what was the “!” after “Ateneo de Manila University” all about?)

I agree with what most of those who commented here have stressed in the earlier parts of this thread: Everybody, at some point, has to begin somewhere. You don’t emerge a pro; majority of the best photographers around started this as a hobby, then found that they actually enjoy it, and got passionate about the craft that they decided to pursue it. Even Ansel Adams started it as a hobby (he was into music first before he got into photography—his father gave him a camera during his adolescent years).

Also, I would like to reiterate the fact that it is NOT a bad thing for people to be grabbing the opportunity to purchase DSLRs, now that they are becoming more and more affordable. Who knows, one of those “camera owners” might be the next big thing in photography?

As for us here getting you the wrong way, then maybe you can first take a look at yourself. Had it ever occurred to you that maybe you started this thread the WRONG way?

Deane, I think you’ve earned so much flak already for your not-so-well-thought-of “plea” for us here in DPP to help you with your undergraduate research—this means that you’re still in school, so get all the knowledge (especially in grammar) you can get from your Alma Mater (I pity your school for having their prestigious name dragged into your little showcase of grammatical incapacity). When you get out of school, the real world is a lot nastier than you think.

For this, I hope you have learned your lesson. (And by the way, what was the “!” after “Ateneo de Manila University” all about?)

sir chard, the "!" is for the "oooommpph" :Grin:

Enough is enough. Back off the kid. I think he knows he made a mistake and now has to live with it. Be a good joe and chalk it up to youthful exhuberance. There's an old Japanese proverb that said, "even monkeys fall out of the tree." God knows I fell out of the tree several times in my life, but thanks to some well-meaning people around me, they helped me get back up in the tree so I can fall all over again. The trick is not to fall off the same way twice. So Deane, I offer you a hand to help you get back up the tree. Just avoid repeating the same mistake and you'll be ok.

I think the "!" is for emphasis (she's/he's proud :) )]

@Deane
Yeah, I know how you feel. plenty of people are "wannabes"/"posers" now.
butbutbut... Don't label people until you know them to a level that assures you of what they are. just mi 2 centavos.

OT
I did something similar to that in a past. It's about those FIFAWC 06 ID tags. wala lang... : |

I'm an undergrad too.... in UST hehehe
This is my first post here in DPP....... i think :D

I am very sorry, if that how you feel about the people who has DSLR. I am not an expert of this subject matter and I am just a newbie also in this field, but I believe the root cause for this is the price of DSLR gone down and many people can afford it and because its digital, you can see your picture after each shot, which cannot be done previously, thus a person can make several random shots and make a "tsamba" .

I "personally" believe that everybody even if he uses a cellfone camera can be called a photographer in his own right. They might not be the best nor their pictures, but please don't take this rights out of them.

I know this has probably been discused before (I am not actually sure if this is the right thread), but I really need your all your help and opinions on this topic. :D

With the advent of the digital revolution, Photography has now become a trend in the market. More and more companies are releasing cameras like how the cellphone industry is producing phone units, and thus, a lot of consumers are jumping into the bandwagon. These days, people think that just because you have a DSLR hanging from your neck, that you are already a photographer. The truth of the matter however is this: Just because you own a DSLR camera does not make you an artist or a photographer. It just makes you a camera owner.

I am sick and tired of seeing people post via Multiply, Flickr or insert-other-popular-file-sharing-site-here, pictures of ordinary objects such as a C2 bottle (with the ubiquitous 'this is my C2 bottle' caption) and multiple self-portraits (usually involving an outstretched arm and a pouty lip), coupled with heavy photoshopping, and labelling it as art.

And I am sure that you, lovely people of DPP, know exactly how I feel.

I hope you don't think of this as a mere ranting of sorts though. The point of this thread is really to obtain research material for my current research paper in English (I am by the way, an undergraduate in the Ateneo De Manila University!), with the subject of 'Photography as Novelty.'

So here goes...

I am in dire need of journal articles, websites, books, and other resources that tackle the digital photography bandwagon. So if anyone out there is willing to help me find sources, or just wish to provide their two cents on this topic, then be my guest.

This is my first post by the way. Please be nice. Hahaha.

Thank you!

:)

Well its a fact that with the digital revolution its more affordable and gives easier access to those who love to take photographs. All persons that own a camera and take shots can be considered a photographer because that is essentially what photography is whether you take good shots or not. your topic is interesting but this is not the venue to get your resources. im sorry that you are so sick of those c2 bottle pictures but its not right to judge them because of that. remember we all have different perspective in life. the c2 bottle photograph might be their best work so far and they want to show it. if you take a good photo im sure you want to post it and let your friends see. i suggest you search for some books. not insights for this forum this is not a relieble source for your topic.

After reading all the posts, I'll admit it, I'm a "wannabe" photographer.
Hopefully I'll get better after acquiring the skills and knowledge needed.
Thank you.

One suggestion, use Google. If you googled this site, then definitely you are capable of googling anything you want to know.

I am sick and tired of seeing people post via Multiply, Flickr or insert-other-popular-file-sharing-site-here, pictures of ordinary objects such as a C2 bottle (with the ubiquitous 'this is my C2 bottle' caption) and multiple self-portraits (usually involving an outstretched arm and a pouty lip), coupled with heavy photoshopping, and labelling it as art.


Oh my .... you mean am not the only one???!!
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2153/2070126831_4efbb59e2d.jpg
Title: "My C2- Half empty or Half full?"
Camera: Asahi Pentax Spotmatic
ASA: 100
Focal length: 50mm
Aperture: f/1.2
Shutter Speed: 1/80
Picture hosted by: Flickr http://www.flickr.com/photos/lenard/2070126831/

We are all entitled to our own opinion, I should say. If in your opinion, photography today is just another bandwagon that people jump into just so to be called a "photographer", then let nobody tell you otherwise. After all, it is your opinion. What's wrong about that? Personally, nothing. It only becomes wrong when you force your opinion into other people. If other people see photography as art, there's nothing wrong with that too. Take a picture of a C2 bottle, be my guest! Art is determined by your own artistic perception, not by anyone else's.

I admire you, though. Because you shared your opinion to us, so called "photographer-wannabes". And for your thesis, well, this is certainly the right place to go and ask for help.

I would like to help you. If you know anybody with a DSLR, I would advice you to strap it around your neck. Walk around a bit. See what you can find. take a snapshot of it. Go home and edit it. Create your own Multiply or Flickr account. Post it there. Add friends to get feedback on it. If you have no experience at all being a photographer, you probably will start with some fuzzy pictures. As you get feedbacks, comments, tips, and all that, start making a research on how to improve your craft. You'll find that you would want to keep walking, to join a club, or a contest. Win or lose, you'll enjoy it. and if after some time you're not improving your shots, you'll be depressed. You'll enroll in a Basic Photography seminar, or even up the ante in Advanced Seminars. All of these you'll do to be good at what you've chosen to do, whether as a hobby, or as a profession. It might take some time, but surely, you'll improve. Then you can write about your thesis. It'll be a first hand experience, one experience that an Atenenan like you would certainly be proud of. After all, you did spend a lot of time in school to be good at what you do, right? Well, not because you carry around a school bag and a lot of books doesn't make you a "learned-student". Like anything else, it takes time and patience.

Those that you might have seen with a DSLR around their necks, and sucky photos of C2, it might be that they are still in elementary, or highschool, in the Photography department. But who knows, someday, they might also write their own thesis. Snapshots of "thesis-writer-wannabes" from Ateneo.

Good luck to you dude. :)

Whoops, zombie thread.

Now is my turn to get some popcorn...

What's with the (I am by the way, an undergraduate in the Ateneo De Manila University) is there something special? i don't get it? I LOVE THE C2 by the way ! ! !

A reasearch in english? My reading is that he is a psychology student working on his thesis. His methodology is to disturb the hornet's nest and use the material. There was a time when the artist's brush was not as prolific as it is now. Same with the camera film or digital. Anything in this world can become a fad or a status symbol. Mediocrity has always been with us like a plague because that's how people are at the start. Only those who develop the passion take their craft to a higher level. Learn to appreciate the your fellow's faltering steps. That's where it all starts. Amen.