I've been hanging out local photography forums/groups for the past 4 years and I've noticed a new, recent trend -- that of people considering switching from Canon *TO* Nikon. (350D and 30D users.)

2 years ago, this would be unheard of -- as people were generally unsatisfied with Nikon's lineup, the velocity of new product releases, and the quality of after-sales service they're getting in the country. (I personally bought a lot of Nikon systems from people who switched wholesale to the other side.)

But with the current D50-D80-D200-D2x quadro(?), it seems that Nikon is back in contention, at least in the mindset of customers who are getting serious with their photography.

I'm happy as this means Nikon doesn't have to sell itself to a Sony or a Samsung or <name-your-conglomerate-here> in order to achieve the same critical mass as Canon has.

I'm happy, go Nikon! :D

Keep shooting!

I've been hanging out local photography forums/groups for the past 4 years and I've noticed a new, recent trend -- that of people considering switching from Canon *TO* Nikon. (350D and 30D users.)

2 years ago, this would be unheard of -- as people were generally unsatisfied with Nikon's lineup, the velocity of new product releases, and the quality of after-sales service they're getting in the country. (I personally bought a lot of Nikon systems from people who switched wholesale to the other side.)

But with the current D50-D80-D200-D2x quadro(?), it seems that Nikon is back in contention, at least in the mindset of customers who are getting serious with their photography.

I'm happy as this means Nikon doesn't have to sell itself to a Sony or a Samsung or <name-your-conglomerate-here> in order to achieve the same critical mass as Canon has.

I'm happy, go Nikon! :D

Keep shooting!

That's interesting :p

But just recently, the whole photo staff of the Philippine Daily Inquirer switched from Nikon to Canon. Some of the photographers even wanted to do a ceremony of smashing their defective units.

Oh yeah I'm Team Canon :p (Hi A. Din!)

They did? Interesting, I supplied them with their D2Hs. I would have been disappointed as well given the known problems of the LBCast sensor, the pentaprism problems, etc..

I was kinda camera-less for a while, but now is a good time to be with Nikon. The D2x is so much better. :)

They did? Interesting, I supplied them with their D2Hs. I would have been disappointed as well given the known problems of the LBCast sensor, the pentaprism problems, etc..

I was kinda camera-less for a while, but now is a good time to be with Nikon. The D2x is so much better. :)

Yup apparently a little rain would get the D2H sick so imagine a friend of mine covering the Leyte Landslide. I think it also had something to do with the after sales service then. Sayang I guess.

Tammy, and they did find out that their units are deffective just now? And did the switch recently? Hmm...

Did you know that those Canonites that recently became Nikonians did not have deffective Canon units. Hmm...

I wonder.

:D

I was kinda camera-less for a while, but now is a good time to be with Nikon. The D2x is so much better. :)

No wonder you don't have a D200... you got the D2x! :Grin:

Tammy, and they did find out that their units are deffective just now? And did the switch recently? Hmm...

Did you know that those Canonites that recently became Nikonians did not have deffective Canon units. Hmm...

I wonder.

:D

They.did.find...what? Wait I can't understand your question. The unitsss were defective hence they had a problem so they had to switch. They switched two months ago.

Canonites like who? *peace*

Don't get wrong I'm not all rah rah rah Canon it's just that I mentioned about PDI switching to Canon when Jerry posted about Canon users switching to Nikon.

KEEP SHOOTING! :Grin::Grin::Grin:

@ ros

Actually, I have 3 boxes on my table - just not sure which one to open. :)

@ ros

Actually, I have 3 boxes on my table - just not sure which one to open. :)

Akin nalang isa! :) I need a back-up cam. :D

it might have something to do with Nikon better spec'd and priced as their Canon counterparts

and

the recent dissolving of Columbia Global and the birth of Columbia Digital with a promise of better after-sales service. :)

2 Yen lang, di ba Earl? :D

@Earl

Ok ba, I'll send you my bank account info? :P

@Earl

Ok ba, I'll send you my bank account info? :P

:D hehehehe... Basta ba puwede terms! :)

ive been around, when i had the chance to travel, i noticed that out of ten photographers, 6 to 7 of them uses CANON. I started with CANON i forgot the model, but now im a Nikonian. An old F80 and a D70. But i think we should stick to whatever system we have. Be it Nikon or a Canon.

Jc,

Please tell us for the sake of discussion, what do you think we should stick to whatever system we have. I think I may be able to learn something about this.

Thanks.

:D

How about join venture? NINON or CAKON will do? sound funny :) . Reuters also changed their system to canon.

sir rolly?

my basis for writing sticking to whatever system we have is as you well know is cost. at least with one system, lenses are somewhat compatible with the camera, makes sense?
if i have a couple of nikon lenses i dont think we can just have it intechanged with a canon camera. besides, from a nikon to a canon or vice versa is no joke, its too expensive.

How about join venture? NINON or CAKON will do? sound funny :) . Reuters also changed their system to canon.

NINON sounds more of like, members of Nino's fan club (should he ever have one) than a camera brand... :Thinking:

JC,

Hehehe, I thought you are reserving a deeper meaning... it's compatibility and econimical issue lang pala... of course, if you do not have means to shift, you are stucked. But those who have means are FREE to shift anytime they wish to. Regardless if their skills improve in the shift or not. In short, they just want to be "IN". :D

Thanks, JC!

NINON sounds more of like, members of Nino's fan club (should he ever have one) than a camera brand... :Thinking:

What freakin' fan club?! :) What?!? :D

more of us using Nikon probably have the same introduction from the oldies. :-) sorry for the word or lets just say they're very good enthusiasts and love to have nikkor lenses & so.

at first, i don't really want to have more than one lens. the one who introduced me to choose Nikon or lets rephrase that. "the one who introduced me to Nikon" happened to be a very old friend of it. several from the F's models to digital. he loved them i guess. :-)

i chose Nikon cuz he just mentioned "halos lahat ng lente mo e magagamit sa mga darating pang mga generation ng digital, dahil ang Nikon hindi nangiiwan. kahit sa lumang manual Fs, yung bago mong lente e pede mong gamitin, pero may aperture ring ha."

i can't remember exactly. but i quoted it. anyways, that was the message. but from the backward compatibility, that really is a catch for enthusiasts like us.

sabi nga raw ni Lex Luthor sa Smallville. i apply na lang natin as being camera users, ang CRAZY e para sa mga hindi at ang para sa mga Nikonians, WE ARE ECCENTRIC! hehehehe, joke.

that is why we could stick living with NIKON in this very good world.

:-)

i have been in 3 brands since i started photography (which was Jan of 06). All i can say regarding shifting is that you shift and shift until you find what you are looking for. sometimes you shift back. i did. (E-500 to D70s to E-1 to 30D) hehehe. am i content with what i have now? so far. will i shift again? i wouldn't know just yet. :D

Hmmm... are we eating Pleko instead? Hahahaha :Dum:

What freakin' fan club?! :) What?!? :D

What freakin' fan club?! :) What?!? :D

I said "sounds like" lang ha..

no offense to the Nikon guys..

Ann,

None taken... :D

Hehehe

yeah, it do sounds like that. (ROTFL)

I said "sounds like" lang ha..

no offense to the Nikon guys..

No worries my dear friend. :) 'Just caught me by surprise... :D wahihihihihi...

I think I'll keep watch on this thread. I know this will be a long thread in the future :) Very interesting! :D

A photographer-friend of mine, who is a notorious Nikonian made me think with this statement: "Would you buy a lens from company that manufactures hi-powered, multi-million dollar optics used in telescopes, or from a company that manufactures photocopiers and printers that is only 2nd to HP and Epson?" (or something to that effect)

I was able to have both systems (Canon and Nikon), and I have equally good images of both, honestly. Although, right now, I'm exclusively Nikon and totally sold off my Canon because I had more lenses in Nikon (so for economic reasons rather than quality issues).

Roro, where is the fun in watching... wear your thinking hat and join the discussion. :D

Melvin, your photog friend is right. Nikon is an optic company and Canon is a consumer electronics company with a camera division. Canon is doing well here in the Philipines because, they have lots of money from their consumer electronics sales to back their camera division. Not everyday someone is buying a camera, not to mention DSLRs. But, everyday, a Canon photocopy machine is copying, working, busy-busy, and sooner, there comes the service, new parts sales, consumable sales... get the idea how they produce the fund? That's only the Photo Copier.. how about the printers? Yes, calculators, I lost 5 Scientific calculators during my 4th year high... it goes on and on... Hehehehe

Mind you, the early Canon uses Nikon's glass.

This is like "analog vs. digital" thread in my audio hobby.

This is like "analog vs. digital" thread in my audio hobby.
Care to expound this idea? Di ko ma-gets eh... :Grin:

And the Vinyl Records sound better than CDs. :D

This is like "analog vs. digital" thread in my audio hobby.

Aren't Cameras considered as consumer electronics as well? Canon cameras are doing good here in the Philippines because they are good products. Each division is independent of their activities - Cameras support their own, Printers and Inks for their own division, Copiers, etc. etc...

FYI, Canon is not only a Consumer electronics company. We have a lot to offer, from Office products to Industrial products such as medical imaging machines, optics, laser encoders, and semi conductor equipment...:)

If people are switching from one brand to the other, they obviously haven't done their research. There are strengths and weaknesses to both systems and people just have to make out what system is best for them. Unless you've got a fat wallet (or purse if you're a lady) you don't have to switch and have both brands.

I rest my case. :D

Aren't Cameras considered as consumer electronics as well? Canon cameras are doing good here in the Philippines because they are good products. Each division is independent of their activities - Cameras support their own, Printers and Inks for their own division, Copiers, etc. etc...

FYI, Canon is not only a Consumer electronics company. We have a lot to offer, from Office products to Industrial products such as medical imaging machines, optics, laser encoders, and semi conductor equipment...:)

I rest my case. :D

hey, i've no intentions to be masungit ha.... :)

I would agree with Ann that camera nowadays can be considered as consumer electronics.

But just to "para-phrase" what my old friend said about Nikon... Nikon has become a legendary brand in photography along with Leica and Zeiss because of its superior optics which is maintained today. Also, i believe its the 'focus' of the R&D people that we should consider. If you got a whole company's energy centered on creating legendary optics, compared to divided focus on R&D.

In all fairness, I think Canon has made a spectacular DSLR system. If its rivaling Nikon right now after being a unsatisfactory system 10-15years ago, then they must be doing something right! :D

And the Vinyl Records sound better than CDs. :D
Undoubtedly, Absolutely and No contest! Vinyl kicks CD's butt! 'nuf said hehehehe.. :D

Roro, where is the fun in watching... wear your thinking hat and join the discussion. :D

Ok, well I settled for Canon for it is superior in handling noise levels better than Nikons do. Almost all of my photog friends are Nikon users for they already have existing systems during the film era but they do admit that Nikon is inferior in dealing with noise. I also admit that I envy Nikon for the faster flash sync and the better price of their flash guns & lenses.

So I think we should not debate on which system is better for I think it's all up to the USER's preferences and needs. In my case, I like shooting in high ISO to compensate for the speed I need minus the burst of the flash, so i went all the way to Canon.

:)

Eto joke lang ha... Don't take this seriously... Just got it from an online international forum... :)

Canon is for gearheads, Nikon is for artists!

Don't know kung ano basis ng nagbigay ng comment na yan but I'm just sharing it here. Peace Canon people! No offense meant... :D

Does it apply? Once you go black you never go back? haha :D

I have friends switching to nikon or are planning to. I tell them which would you rather be holding, a camera or a toy? (This is referring to the 350/400d) :)

Eto joke lang ha... Don't take this seriously... Just got it from an online international forum... :)

Canon is for gearheads, Nikon is for artists!

Don't know kung ano basis ng nagbigay ng comment na yan but I'm just sharing it here. Peace Canon people! No offense meant... :D

i remember dave deluria once mentioned that in one of his posts...which goes something like "he sees himself as the gearhead of the family because he uses canon gears, while his bro (tad) is the artsy in the family because his gears are nikon"...that is before dave finally got himself a nikon d80 and some fine nikkor lenses!:)

Wala sa pana yan! Nasa indian yan! hahahaha:D

1Does it apply? Once you go black you never go back? haha :D

I have friends switching to nikon or are planning to. I tell them which would you rather be holding, a camera or a toy? (This is referring to the 350/400d) :)

A toy? A TOY?!

You mean this...

http://static.flickr.com/80/213231056_bd53317687.jpg

Heeheeheehee

I have a Canon 10d, 350d and a Nikon FM2.

I guess I'm satisfied with Canon. But hey you know what, I'd rather have the crappy camera (be it freakin mustek whatevs) and the better eye rather than the opposite

Does it apply? Once you go black you never go back? haha :D

I have friends switching to nikon or are planning to. I tell them which would you rather be holding, a camera or a toy? (This is referring to the 350/400d) :)


Tama si MArton, thats the reason why i switched to Nikon, the 350D/400D looks like a toy sa liit nya.

But honestly speaking.. naging ok ang canon dahil sa aftermarket service nya. As long as an electronic equipment or product can be serviced locally, dun tyo pupunta diba. But some people are just risk takers (parang mga nikonian). But both systems have their pros and cons. For canon medyo mahal sya, and ung mga range ng lens nya puro bitin, its like u need to buy more and more. Unlike with nikon, cheaper sya than canon in-terms of the speedlite and the lens. With regards to noise on the images in nikon, well nikon intentionally did this because they believe that existing nikon users want to have that film based feel...ung tipong grainy images. But with the introduction of new nikon (nikon D80) i believe that the noise issue is already been fix, specially in higher iso.

i myself.. i'm a happy nikon user, but formerly im using canon 300D and 350D (pero borrow lang)

same here, my first DSLR was the 300D pero bitin talaga although my first SLR was the Nikon F2 then Canon 66 then Canon 300V then Canon 300D and now living up to the namesake Nikon D70s hopefully D200 or D2Xs soon hehehe :)

My first P&S was a Sony. Next two P&S's are from Canon which I really love (I still have one). Now, my DSLR is a Nikon D70s. I love how it feels. The problem I have with it is that a lot my shots are underexposed even though there is enough light and it also looks good on the camera's LCD. I don't know why and I really hope I find a solution for this. Still, I love my Nikon!!! :)

The problem I have with it is that a lot my shots are underexposed even though there is enough light and it also looks good on the camera's LCD. I don't know why and I really hope I find a solution for this

sir, im no pro but this might help - adjust your exposure to +0.3. that pretty solves the underexposed issue of the D70. now you can also make use a number of custom curves available to address the said issue (some ex of curves - white wedding, p&s, optima). good luck!

btw, ive been a canon, olympus and nikon user:) .

sir, im no pro but this might help - adjust your exposure to +0.3. that pretty solves the underexposed issue of the D70. now you can also make use a number of custom curves available to address the said issue (some ex of curves - white wedding, p&s, optima). good luck!

btw, ive been a canon, olympus and nikon user:) .

Hi Levi! This is great news for me...thanks for the tip!!! I'll definitely try this out ASAP! :D So I can also use those curves that I've read somewhere before. Didn't understand what it does. Hahaha! Thanks again! :)

@ louie

no prob. im happy to help:) .

cheers!

Let me preface this post by stating that I have been using Nikon for about 10 years and quite happy with it.

Reading the other posts from this thread and my initial inpression is that given the chance, some Nikon users are so ignorant about Canon and borders on fanboyism. Canon is a great company. They manufacture excellent cameras. An amazing feat considering they also manufacture other great products. Canon is just as good as Nikon and arguably, even better. Personally, I think Canon camera is better than Nikon in some areas, and vise versa.

Concluding that a company can't be good because it produces a variety of not-so-related products is simply flawed. Would you say that Sony televisions are bad because they also produce robotic dogs (Aibo)? Would you say the same thing about Samsung or Mitsubishi?

Like I said in the beginning, I love my Nikon gears, but I still can't say in all generality that Nikon is better than Canon. It just simply wouldn't be true. And perhaps, stupid.

Let me preface this post by stating that I have been using Nikon for about 10 years and quite happy it.

Reading the other posts from this thread and my initial inpression is that given the chance, some Nikon users are so ignorant about Canon and borders on fanboyism. Canon is a great company. They manufacture excellent cameras. An amazing feat considering they also manufacture other great products. Canon is just as good as Nikon and arguably better even. Personally, I think Canon camera is better than Nikon is some areas, and vise versa.

Concluding that a company can't be good because it produces a variety of not-so-related products is simply flawed. Would you say that Sony televisions are bad because they also produce a robotic dog (Aibo)? Would you say the same thing about Samsung or Mitsubishi?

Like I said in the beginning, I love my Nikon gears, but I still can't say in all generality that Nikon is better than Canon. It just simply wouldn't be true. And perhaps, stupid.

If I had your address I'd send you a box of cupcakes right now.

THANK YOU!!!!

My first P&S was a Sony. Next two P&S's are from Canon which I really love (I still have one). Now, my DSLR is a Nikon D70s. I love how it feels. The problem I have with it is that a lot my shots are underexposed even though there is enough light and it also looks good on the camera's LCD. I don't know why and I really hope I find a solution for this. Still, I love my Nikon!!! :)

Louie, Bro., you may call this an inherent attribute of the D70s, well for that matter, a majority of Nikon cameras... They tend to underexpose. But there's a basis and use for this. For we can likely recover more detail in underexposed shots versus the opposite. :) HTH

If I had your address I'd send you a box of cupcakes right now.

THANK YOU!!!!

Tammy, are these the same cupcakes you posted the pics of, at the other thread? :Grin:

... If so, Nick, Bro. prepare thy self! It's definitely the Bomb! :)

Tammy, are these the same cupcakes you posted the pics of, at the other thread? :Grin:

... If so, Nick, Bro. prepare thy self! It's definitely the Bomb! :)

Why not! it will be fresh, pretty and sweet with the words "die fanboy scum" all over.

Why not! it will be fresh, pretty and sweet with the words "die fanboy scum" all over.

Yeah I have no doubt of it's absolute-deliciousness... However, it just might not reach Nick in time considering both freshness and shelf-life. :) Well, not unless he plans to go home... :D hahahahahaha then "die fanboy scum" it is and will be then.

Louie, Bro., you may call this an inherent attribute of the D70s, well for that matter, a majority of Nikon cameras... They tend to underexpose. But there's a basis and use for this. For we can likely recover more detail in underexposed shots versus the opposite. :) HTH

Hey Earl! So it isn't really a "problem" then. Yes, that's true, someone told me about recovering details from an underexposed and overexposed shot before. I always wanted to take beautiful photos without having to edit them. I just hope that service centers can calibrate my camera so that it would be just right. Hahaha! Thanks a lot, bro! :)

Hey Earl! So it isn't really a "problem" then. Yes, that's true, someone told me about recovering details from an underexposed and overexposed shot before. I always wanted to take beautiful photos without having to edit them. I just hope that service centers can calibrate my camera so that it would be just right. Hahaha! Thanks a lot, bro! :)

You're welcome. Glad to be of assistance. :)

Rolly,

copy sir. that`s right! thanks..

Its a matter of fact and /or perception, It could be true, but I don't perceive it to be, or it's just a perception, people just talking, and it's not real.

But does it really matter if people shift either way? I've been with Nikon before, and have shifted to Canon, not because Nikon was bad. The biggest factor was the really poor service of Nikon in the Philippines. I have read several threads on the effort to re-establish the Nikon name, and i think that is a very good move. Does it matter who has the biggest, bests, and baddess - what ever?:Dum:

I am sure they have valid reasons for shifting now, as I had then. I still keep my Nikon film camera; the first unit I bought with my first job - nostalgic reasons.:(

New technology will always drive people to seek better tools to improve their craft. Choose your poison.:Grin: :Grin:

I smell flames....... hehehe this is turning out to be one interesting thread... :D

Peace!

I smell flames....... hehehe this is turning out to be one interesting thread... :D

Peace!

I couldn't agree more.

Being a Canon user, I don't blame people switching to Nikon if they started out with the digital Rebel series cams. Although it is a better cam image quality-wise than the entry level Nikons, the dRebels require you to push many buttons to change a setting, look too plasticky, look like toy cams and with an 18-55 kit lens, they just look like bulky point and shoots with a removable lens. Having said this, I haven't heard of any of these entry level dslrs breaking apart from normal use, unless you drop them.

Nikon is a great camera manufacturer and even bought a secondhand F601 and 60mm 2.8 Micro Nikkor (sold it for profit) while owning a Canon system.
If I would get a Nikon camera it would definitely be an F801s, FM2 and a Nikkor 24mm 2.8 (dry lubricated for extreme cold), and with the current flood of secondhand Nikon gear here in NZ it might come sooner.

So its back to Nikon and Canon again? Both company are really good in terms of DSLR, there are advantage and disadvantage, but the most advantage i can see in terms of canon specially with 5D model is this is the only wide angle camera available in the market, which is so perfect lalo na sa mga gathering sa pinas, mahilig tayo sa engrandeng kasalan, and malaki ang pamilya, with this we can capture so much than some other models available in the market, i love nikon, i was even planning to buy nikon before, but target natin et philippine market which halos lahat pati di imbitado gustong sumama sa photo shots.

Ho hum...yawn... Am getting sleepy. But before I sleep, I'd like to share you a story by Tim Burton, it's called The Corpse's Bride (http://www.stopmotionworks.com/articles/cbrdstrpdbare.htm)


Happy reading. Cheers!

my dad recently shifted from canon (300D) to nikon (d70s) because he just can't understand the controls of his canon, and the fact that it takes a second to start. I told him that the newer ones perform better and are faster.

nothing doing. he liked the size and the feel of my D70s and that was enough for him to shift.... and the fact that i have lenses na rin so we can "share" hehehe

and he found the 30D too expensive an upgrade just because he wanted a better grip on things.

Hi Guys,

Just want to point out that both brands produce great cameras. Both of which also received TIPA Awards. I just don't agree that if someone considers his camera the best over the other should be called Stupid by someone from Harvard Business School and New York Institure of Photography. Such a statement should be supported by facts and actual field test and not from mere opinion. The basis for this is that NASA and National Geographic Photographers use both systems. Said government agencies use the best equipment in the world and not necessarily the one from the lowest bidder. They also use Hasselblad and It is therefore invalid to say that these agencies are dumb and stupid. NYIP might be the best school for some people but there is a better one in Europe FYI. There are also a few graduates from Harvard who make it to the Best Management School in Switzerland. Problem with some people is that just because they studied in the States, they feel superior over others from different parts of the world. :-).

Hi Guys,

Just want to point out that both brands produce great cameras. Both of which also received TIPA Awards. I just don't agree that if someone considers his camera the best over the other should be called Stupid by someone from Harvard Business School and New York Institure of Photography. Such a statement should be supported by facts and actual field test and not from mere opinion. The basis for this is that NASA and National Geographic Photographers use both systems. Said government agencies use the best equipment in the world and not necessarily the one from the lowest bidder. They also use Hasselblad and It is therefore invalid to say that these agencies are dumb and stupid. NYIP might be the best school for some people but there is a better one in Europe FYI. There are also a few graduates from Harvard who make it to the Best Management School in Switzerland. Problem with some people is that just because they studied in the States, they feel superior over others from different parts of the world. :-).

My guess is that your post is directed at me.

First, I did not go to any of those institutions you posted.

Second, I don't think I am superior over others from different parts of the world. In fact, I think you do based on your private message to me. This is what you wrote, in verbatim: "You will not know where I came from because I didn't study photography and stragetic marketing here in the Philippines and I only returned to Manila last March of 2004. I was based abroad and decided to settle here for good to share the things I learned from the corporate world and NYIP to the less fortunate brothers we have in this country which is way behind what is being done in the United States and Europe FYI."

It would appear that you, Eric, went to New York Institute of Photography (NYIP). Are you also telling us that you went to Harvard? Or have you told so many lies that you can't keep track of them?

Third, you have a comprehension problem as I don't think you understood my post.

Fourth, with you so called fact, prove to me that NASA uses Nikon, Canon and Hassy.

Fifth, you write like a gradeschooler. You're all over the place. Try to think it through first so you don't contradict yourself.

Sixth, I still believe that making a general statement that Nikon is better than Canon is stupid.

Seven, I think you are stupid.

Last, if you want to continue this conversation, let's discuss it live. Here's my number (edited).

my dad recently shifted from canon (300D) to nikon (d70s) because he just can't understand the controls of his canon, and the fact that it takes a second to start. I told him that the newer ones perform better and are faster.

nothing doing. he liked the size and the feel of my D70s and that was enough for him to shift.... and the fact that i have lenses na rin so we can "share" hehehe

and he found the 30D too expensive an upgrade just because he wanted a better grip on things.

@ chewy

does this mean that you would then be upgrading to a D200?? :Grin:

i wish, man... but he bought himself a d70s!!!

been playing around with the 300d again. he only has the 18-55mm kit lens, 50mm f/1.8 (which focuses faster than nikon's offering) and a tammy 75-300mm tele.

maybe he chose the wrong lenses to play around with? hehehe

For me, it is a matter of preference that best fits your shooting style.

am here now in bacolod shooting the masskara. Have seen a lot of hobbyist here holding dslrs and l lenses but have not seen a single nikon yet... as of yesterday

Just a reminder, this is not a Canon vs Nikon flame-bait-thread - I'm simply stating that I've noticed a trend lately, and that is of people actually wanting to switch from Canon *TO* Nikon.

I'm sure they have their reasons and, whatever they are, I don't care.


Keep shooting! :)

Just a reminder, this is not a Canon vs Nikon flame-bait-thread - I'm simply stating that I've noticed a trend lately, and that is of people actually wanting to switch from Canon *TO* Nikon.

I'm sure they have their reasons and, whatever they are, I don't care.


Keep shooting! :)

Well said Bro.! :D

For me, it is a matter of preference that best fits your shooting style.

am here now in bacolod shooting the masskara. Have seen a lot of hobbyist here holding dslrs and l lenses but have not seen a single nikon yet... as of yesterday

ok just got back from the street dancing.. i found the nikon users.. they decided to come out today.. starting with owen! he mentioned that he was on this list too...
found a total of 9 guys.. (8 from bacolod, 1 from cebu) the canon guys were out numbered to day..

am not asking for trouble here just stating what i saw... asked a few people here and they said that only canon was available locally... :Grin:

ok just got back from the street dancing.. i found the nikon users.. they decided to come out today.. starting with owen! he mentioned that he was on this list too...
found a total of 9 guys.. (8 from bacolod, 1 from cebu) the canon guys were out numbered to day..

am not asking for trouble here just stating what i saw... asked a few people here and they said that only canon was available locally... :Grin:

Anton, you were at the Masskara festival pala. Some of my friends were also there...3 of them, all Canon users. :Grin: But I think they went yesterday. :)

Anton, you were at the Masskara festival pala. Some of my friends were also there...3 of them, all Canon users. :Grin: But I think they went yesterday. :)


Canon or Nikon, it would be good to meet new photographers friends.... :Grin:
We should have patch or something to distinguish digital photographer members on the field shooting.. hehehe

Canon or Nikon, it would be good to meet new photographers friends.... :Grin:
We should have patch or something to distinguish digital photographer members on the field shooting.. hehehe

True true! Yeah that's a great idea. We should have something like a patch done for the members of this forum. Now, who should we talk to? :D

I have a feeling the top three female posters (Din, Ann, and Tammy) here are all Canonites... :)

I wonder what Ms. Pilar is using.

I'm a Nikon guy but sometimes I am being tempted to go Canon just because when I look at my high ISO photos and compared them to the high ISO photos of my Canon friends, theirs are really much better :( .

And high ISOs are used a lot in wedding photography.

I have a feeling the top three female posters (Din, Ann, and Tammy) here are all Canonites... :)

I wonder what Ms. Pilar is using.


@ marco
dindin is a loyal nikon user :) . she's part of the darkside ever since. hehehe

btw, i believe pilar is a 5D and 20D user.:)

I have a feeling the top three female posters (Din, Ann, and Tammy) here are all Canonites... :)

I wonder what Ms. Pilar is using.

I'm a Nikon guy but sometimes I am being tempted to go Canon just because when I look at my high ISO photos and compared them to the high ISO photos of my Canon friends, theirs are really much better :( .

And high ISOs are used a lot in wedding photography.

I get lots of grain on my d70, hoping for a d200 upgrade para less noise on high iso :)

hey i just used the SB-800 with my 30D this afternoon... slave flash! hehehe! hint! hint! we can work together! :D

I have a feeling the top three female posters (Din, Ann, and Tammy) here are all Canonites... :)

I wonder what Ms. Pilar is using.



Yup.. Canon user here.. first cam was a Canon... never switched even when I was working for Sony... don't think i'll ever switch... :Grin:

Pilar uses Canon too. but i think she's still in love with her Leica...:)

No comment. Hehehe...

hey i just used the SB-800 with my 30D this afternoon... slave flash! hehehe! hint! hint! we can work together! :D

UN ka naman dex eh hehehe but im happy for you coz you finally found what you're looking for :D

@ marco
dindin is a loyal nikon user :) . she's part of the darkside ever since. hehehe

btw, i believe pilar is a 5D and 20D user.:)

Oh. Sorry about that. We still have three top female users using Canon then... :)

Wow, this thread reminds me of nVidia and ATI, Intel and AMD, OS X and Windows, Asetek and the defunct Prometia. :)

Wow, this thread reminds me of nVidia and ATI, Intel and AMD, OS X and Windows, Asetek and the defunct Prometia. :)


coke or pepsi... milo or ovalteen... cornbits or boy bawang.... the list just goes on and on....:Grin:

PS3 vs. Xbox 360!!! Pacquiao vs. Morales!!!Autobots vs. Decepticons!!!

I have a feeling the top three female posters (Din, Ann, and Tammy) here are all Canonites... :)

Dindin, a canonite? BLASPHEME! hala ka... hehehe just kidding. Dindin is Nikonian personified but I still adore her (and her kids)

Wait what is your point? *shakes head*

But seriously I have no beef whatsoever with "Nikonians" My personal hero uses a D200 for feck's sake (since sombody stole his Mark II in Malaysia) and my camera history includes one nikon instamatic and 2mp coolpix. I currently have a FM2.

But yeah, I want a Mark II N more than World Peace.

:Grin:KEEEEEP SHOOTING!!:Grin:

But yeah, I want a Mark II N more than World Peace.

hahahahaha...this made my night! tammy, you can be a spokesperson for canon. :Grin:

my camera history includes one nikon instamatic and 2mp coolpix. I currently have a FM2.

But yeah, I want a Mark II N more than World Peace.



me too! :D

If North Korea gives me a Mark II N, i'd support their Nuclear ambitions.

hahahahaha...this made my night! tammy, you can be a spokesperson for canon. :Grin:

But I'm not a Canon fangirl ha!!!! *shrugs* o sige if my idol Alex Majoli told me to shoot the gangs from the underbelly of Rio De J using a Nikon D70 I WOULD SAY YES I A HEARTBEAT!!

me too! :D

If North Korea gives me a Mark II N, i'd support their Nuclear ambitions.

I'm sure Tepodon ang ibibigay sayo Bro., ni Kim J.I. :D hahahahahahaha, that is after his son can even visit Tokyo Disney Land and Sea...

@ Nick Espino,

Inspite of you calling me stupid, I will not waste my time arguing with you but give you the following information so that you will have a nice vacation and be at peace.

1. I did not study in Harvard Business School or New York Institute of Photography. I presumed that you went to Harvard because you said you studied in Boston and in Madison Avenue. My mentors were the ones who studied from NYIP and not me. I'll be happy to show you my credentials, I just hope you speak another foreign language aside from English.

2. You started with an invalid syllogism and therefore you end up contradicting yourself. I am not the one saying that Nikon is better than Canon. You are the one who has a comprehension problem because as what I have said before, it was the TIPA Body that gives yearly awards to Camera manufacturers.

3. I am not stupid to give you an overseas call and have an argument. It is counter-productive and I have better things to do. You are on your way to Boston from Puerto Rico? Why don't you go to Kennedy Space Center and see the exhibit at the Museum. You will see the equipment they use there at NASA. I don't have to prove anything to you, you just have to use your common sense nowadays.

4. Go to the website of National Geographic and you will find out that great photographers use both systems and Hasselblad.

5. The information I gathered came from Asian Wall Street Journal. It is not a set of lies as what you accused me of doing. I'll be more than happy to send you the exact date and issue.

6. I am not all over the place, I have less than 200 posts. Your posts are more than mine and you always compare your experience abroad to the normal setting here in the Philippines. The Prudential Tower is in the United States and you cannot compare it to the situation at Calaruega. Who ended up right? It was my suggestion to give acknowledgement and simple courtesy to the persons concerned. It turns out that the sculpture was made by a famous Filipino engineer and you have to pay an entrance fee to go inside the Church premises.

7. I'm glad you call me and other professionals stupid because it only shows who you really are. Did you know that the persons you criticized in another magazine are all well-respected in the Philippines and abroad? The Advertising Editor as well as the Graphic Consultant also studied in the United States and they just laughed at your comment and told me not to even bother arguing with you. You are the one who is stupid because you don't have anything else to do but shoot birds and buildings abroad. Are you getting paid for this? No, you are just telling everyone that you can afford to travel and splurge your money.

8. For me, you're a Balimbing or Homosexual. You cannot even stand up for Nikon. Shame on you for discouraging Filipinos in putting up their own business and making it good here in the Philippines. All you care about is your money.

dang!!!!

what's next?

@ Nick Espino,

Inspite of you calling me stupid, I will not waste my time arguing with you but give you the following information so that you will have a nice vacation and be at peace.

1. I did not study in Harvard Business School or New York Institute of Photography. I presumed that you went to Harvard because you said you studied in Boston and in Madison Avenue. My mentors were the ones who studied from NYIP and not me. I'll be happy to show you my credentials, I just hope you speak another foreign language aside from English.

2. You started with an invalid syllogism and therefore you end up contradicting yourself. I am not the one saying that Nikon is better than Canon. You are the one who has a comprehension problem because as what I have said before, it was the TIPA Body that gives yearly awards to Camera manufacturers.

3. I am not stupid to give you an overseas call and have an argument. It is counter-productive and I have better things to do. You are on your way to Boston from Puerto Rico? Why don't you go to Kennedy Space Center and see the exhibit at the Museum. You will see the equipment they use there at NASA. I don't have to prove anything to you, you just have to use your common sense nowadays.

4. Go to the website of National Geographic and you will find out that great photographers use both systems and Hasselblad.

5. The information I gathered came from Asian Wall Street Journal. It is not a set of lies as what you accused me of doing. I'll be more than happy to send you the exact date and issue.

6. I am not all over the place, I have less than 200 posts. Your posts are more than mine and you always compare your experience abroad to the normal setting here in the Philippines. The Prudential Tower is in the United States and you cannot compare it to the situation at Calaruega. Who ended up right? It was my suggestion to give acknowledgement and simple courtesy to the persons concerned. It turns out that the sculpture was made by a famous Filipino engineer and you have to pay an entrance fee to go inside the Church premises.

7. I'm glad you call me and other professionals stupid because it only shows who you really are. Did you know that the persons you criticized in another magazine are all well-respected in the Philippines and abroad? The Advertising Editor as well as the Graphic Consultant also studied in the United States and they just laughed at your comment and told me not to even bother arguing with you. You are the one who is stupid because you don't have anything else to do but shoot birds and buildings abroad. Are you getting paid for this? No, you are just telling everyone that you can afford to travel and splurge your money.

8. For me, you're a Balimbing or Homosexual. You cannot even stand up for Nikon. Shame on you for discouraging Filipinos in putting up their own business and making it good here in the Philippines. All you care about is your money.

Geez, Dino. I know you were a moron and dumb as a rock, I did not know that you are homophobic too.

Anyway, as for your incoherent ramblings above:

1. It would come as a shock to you that there are other schools in Massachusetts other than Harvard. Likewise, NYIP is not in Madison Ave. I wonder how your mentors made it to class?!? Okay, show me your credentials? If you offer it, better make good on that.

2. My post, as if to explain it to a two-year old, is that making general statement that one camera system is better is stupid. Where's the contradiction there?

3. Boston from Puerto Rico? Where did you get that? Another one of your facts, perhaps? I need to go to NASA to get your "facts"? C'mon, Eric, if you said yours is based on facts, show some proofs, don't push the burden on us. It's like saying that "the moon is made of cheese and if you don't believe it, go to the moon to see it yourself". Although you've made it sound like you been to KSC, dude, your facts are so messed up. Kennedy Space Center is in Florida. You may be confusing that with the Kennedy clan in Massachussetts (not Boston, specifically, FYI). I would then assume that you've never been to KSC, so how can you offer that as your factual proof? Hearsay?

4. Again, same as your NASA "fact". Show us the proof, don't make us dig for it only to find that none exists or circumstantial at best. Just so you know, NGS is NOT a government agency. They receive grants from government. There's adifference. learn it.

5. Okay, i'll bite. Post your AWS link to the article or scanned copy of of it.

6. I am. Have you read the Philippine IP Law? Does it say that one need permission in such situation? No. Similarly, people can take a photograph of Rizal in Luneta and publish them at every paper and medium imaginable, and all is cool.

7. I call you stupid. I still believe that. That's a fact. I offer your posts as my evidence. However, I'd like you to post a link to anything that show I call anyone else stupid. I'm sure you can do that, right? Or are you just full of it? Yes, that I-Mag magazine cover (issue one) is layed out badly. I guess your taste is different than mine. I'm actually happy about that. Birds and buildings photos, you mean the buildings in Denver where I was doing a commissioned work and that bird in Puerto Rico where I was shooting for Bacardi Rum? Yes, I get paid, thank you.

I also take exception to you referring to yourself as "professional". Quite frankly, I feel that you are demeaning and making a mockery of the profession and professional photographers everywhere.

8. Not that it matters, but I am not homosexual. Why do I need to stand up for Nikon, it can stand on its own. If I'm Balimbing because I chose not to blast Canon, then so be it.

Discouraging filipinos for putting up businesses? Where is that coming from?

Eric, lay off on the funny cigarettes and try to grow a brain so you won't be a complete poser.

Hugs & Kisses,
Nick

wow! eto na yung kasunod dex . . .

Nakakatawa kapag nagtatalo ang mga may-ari ng Nikon at Canon.

wow! eto na yung kasunod dex . . .

I'd stay out of the damage path or blast radius if I were you...

I'd stay out of the damage path or blast radius if I were you...

i know . . . ill keep my mouth shut now . . . thanks bro :)

May mga nag-switch ba mula sa Nikon strap patungong Canon strap? Alin kaya ang mas matibay?

Meron nga akong Canon 350D, pero Nikon ang strap ko.

May mga nag-switch ba mula sa Nikon strap patungong Canon strap? Alin kaya ang mas matibay?

Meron nga akong Canon 350D, pero Nikon ang strap ko.

:D muaaahihihihihihihihihi... Sinturon nalang gamitin mo Dys! :)

Nagma-manufacture ba ng sinturon ang Nikon? :D

Nagma-manufacture ba ng sinturon ang Nikon? :D

Hindi! McJim nalang gamitin natin para mas-mura. :D hahahahahahaha

hahaha enjoy ka talaga Dys . . . :)

Ok guys, time for Admin to get involved here. This thread had all the makings of a flame war and it obviously has for some of our members. We are keeping this thread open but the two individuals (you know who you are) are asked to refrain from commenting on this thread henceforth.

That's interesting :p

But just recently, the whole photo staff of the Philippine Daily Inquirer switched from Nikon to Canon. Some of the photographers even wanted to do a ceremony of smashing their defective units.

Oh yeah I'm Team Canon :p (Hi A. Din!)

hey tammy, yeah my friend from pdi told me the same thing about smashing the defective units! hehe.. dreaming of a mark II here as well :)

boy o boy grabe nga mag talo canon and nikon users huh? but personally i don't see any point in doing so. nikon can do so many things that canon can't, and at the same time canon can do so many things that nikon can't as well. in the end, pare-pareho lang camera mga yan. no need to fight or call each other names because of brands. respeto na lang sa isa't isa :)

Sir, I think this is out of line. There were no personal statements made. This thread is getting out of hand. :( :( ;(

the camera is just a tool. All cameras have their pros and cons even ppl are not perfect. All are entitled t shift and use whatever he likes. And yes, its always the shooter not the camera to balme.!



"Seven, I think you are stupid."

Last, if you want to continue this conversation, let's discuss it live. Here's my number (edited).[/quote]

May mga nag-switch ba mula sa Nikon strap patungong Canon strap? Alin kaya ang mas matibay?

Meron nga akong Canon 350D, pero Nikon ang strap ko.

ano baaaaaaaaa.....:D

No Nuke! No Nuke No Nuke!

Make love not war. :D

Leica Rules!!!!!

Kidding.
What ever happened to the kind of people that said that equipment doesnt matter? Im pretty sure a lot of professionals rely more on their skills than their equipment. Check most fashion photographers sites and they dont show off their equipment, they let their shots do the talking. I noticed most hobbyists/"pro-hobbyists" love to flaunt their gear...

Quoting that mexican guy from SNL... AYM JAS KIDDING!
(actually im not, just my .02)

Ika nga sabi ni Melvin nasa indian yan wala sa pana :)

So, can the Indian do it without the pana?

but can the pana be effective without the indian? hehehe

hi guys!

ive been reading this thread with interest and i do admit, at times i wanted to be in "flame" mode. but i guess what dave d. said about counting to 10 before hitting that reply button really did held. :)

let's not be "clannish." in the end we are all photographers (or aspiring to be). i hope we can also have EBs that are not brand specific. a lot of the people im yearning to shoot with and learn from are users of a brand different from my current setup. it doesnt matter. i love their photos and i know its not because of the brand they are using. i will learn a lot from being with them. (diba earl?)

good luck everyone. i do hope to meet more members from our fledging dpp community. im sure you have much to show and teach me pa. :)

hi guys!

ive been reading this thread with interest and i do admit, at times i wanted to be in "flame" mode. but i guess what dave d. said about counting to 10 before hitting that reply button really did held. :)

let's not be "clannish." in the end we are all photographers (or aspiring to be). i hope we can also have EBs that are not brand specific. a lot of the people im yearning to shoot with and learn from are users of a brand different from my current setup. it doesnt matter. i love their photos and i know its not because of the brand they are using. i will learn a lot from being with them. (diba earl?)

good luck everyone. i do hope to meet more members from our fledging dpp community. im sure you have much to show and teach me pa. :)

No problem Jay! :) We should all be here to participate, learn, impart and make true friends! :)

yay jay! :D we are too small here in davao to be canon/nikon, which is good i believe. :D

and i just jave to say... an indian w/ a crooked pana won't hit an elephant (if there is one in the western plains). hehehe!

if i was filthy rich...i'd get both systems! :D so that i'd know how it feels to own them.

keep shooting! Ü

i've had both systems and i've decided to keep what suits me best.

i've had both systems and i've decided to keep what suits me best.

...and that brand is?.....Don't answer please. Ha ha ha ha. :Grin: :D

hahaha.... :D

...and that brand is?.....Don't answer please. Ha ha ha ha. :Grin: :D

Haha. Yes, don't answer that question... just PM it to me. :Grin:

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a69/theveed/ScreenShot012.jpg

hehe

Di bale. No matter what they say, Hasselblad is still on the top of my list, and it is not even in your list. He he he. This simply means that being popular is not equivalent to being the best. :Grin:

Di bale. No matter what they say, Hasselblad is still on the top of my list, and it is not even in your list. He he he. This simply means that being popular is not equivalent to being the best. :Grin:

@ nap

cant agree more!:)

Di bale. No matter what they say, Hasselblad is still on the top of my list, and it is not even in your list. He he he. This simply means that being popular is not equivalent to being the best. :Grin:

AMEN! :) Nothing like a Hassie, please let me try your h3d when you get it :D

hello guy,
who wants to to disposed there 20d...i'm interested to buy body only.

Gentlemen:

I know that we were requested not to post in this thread anymore but it seems to be unfair that I was attacked first in public and the other guy has the last word to say. Let me clarify the following items:

1. I do know that Kennedy Space Center is in Florida and I do have my passport and US Visa to prove that I entered the United States in February 2004. I even have the entrance ticket to Kennedy Space Center. Regarding my taste for Art, well I have a Shengen Visa to prove that I was in Europe between 1998 and 2001. I also have photos of the countries I visited in the Mideterranean and the Middle East. The Center of Art and Music is in Europe and not in the United States for the information of Mr. Espino.

2. I am aware that there are other schools in Boston and New York but I only concentrate on the best institutions in that location and Harvard is in Michigan. I was just checking the familiarity of Mr. Espino with the East Coast. I've never been to the Big Apple so there is no need to attack my well respected mentors. I can disclose their names but there is no need to involve them.

3. Calling me a stupid moron and 2 year old in public is hitting below the belt. That is where cowards attack you. If you want to fight with me, do it like a real man. Let's have a Kumite.
One on One and no bringing of Goons, Thugs or Bodyguards or use of guns & deadly weapons.
We can also check our profiency by having a camera shoot-out. I will use a point and shoot and he can use the most sophisticated digital SLR.

4. There is this thing called copyright law which exists. As a professional, there is also this element called courtesy. I am not homophobic, I work with members of the third minority in the Fashion and Advertising Industry and there is mutual respect between us. What I said about Mr. Espino's stand regarding Nikon is more of a metaphor and one's principle in life.

5. The Graphic Consultant and Advertising Editor did not agree with the lay-out and simply did it to catch attention from prospective readers and buyers. Discouraging other artists and professionals from entering the market is counter-productive to higher standard of competition. I never thought that an Adobe Certified Expert and Mac user was considered by Mr. Espino to produce a blunt and boring work.

6. How can I downgrade the profession if I am defending the weak and those who can't afford those expensive equipments? FYI, I have an exhibit next month sponsored by a well respected museum in the country and participation in said event is by invitation only and from the best wedding photos taken this year. I'm good at what I do and I hope to represent the country soon in international competitions as what my mentors have been encouraging me to do. They use Canon, Nikon and Hasselblad Systems.

7. I don't belong to the big leagues and only one of those starting to enter the business, I can't believe that attacking me in this forum was even allowed. I came from the middle-class and only want to share my experience. I never said that Nikon is better than Canon or Vice Versa. It is more on preference. I'm really disappointed that a rich Guy like Nick Espino can run away with the things he said against me. This will be my last post and participation at DPP. I have more important things to do than wasting my time arguing with an arrogant Fil-American.

8. Instead of showing my credentials, I prefer to let my new portfolio speak for itself. An invitation to my Photo Exhibit will be sent next week to those who criticize me. If you prefer to see my credentials, I will just show it privately but I doubt if Mr. Nick Espino will even acknowledge that. He is full of hatred. I will just show him my credentials personally when he is not that emotional. It's useless talking to someone like him. He might not even believe that I have accomplished so many things in a short period of time and below the age of 40. He only worked and established a company belonging to the top Fortune 500 while I worked with the TOP ten (10). For me, Shooting people is better than still life. I appreciate Architecture but don't agree that it should be used as a meter of your accomplishment. Real Success is helping others and improving their lives and sharing your knowledge/blessings. How hard it is for a rich man to enter the Kingdom of God. I'm a Minister so I can use this last biblical phrase.

http://reviews.cnet.com/4520-11396_7-6654246-1.html?tag=cnetfd.mt

http://reviews.cnet.com/4520-11396_7-6654246-1.html?tag=cnetfd.mt


Thanks for the link Anderson. The D80 is definitely on my list.

i've had both systems and i've decided to keep what suits me best.

i didn't have both systems at one time... but i didn't stick long with the other though i believe the system's very good. :D i was just looking for more.

hello guy,
who wants to to disposed there 20d...i'm interested to buy body only.
pmed you. ;)

Let's have a Kumite.
One on One and no bringing of Goons, Thugs or Bodyguards or use of guns & deadly weapons. We can also check our profiency by having a camera shoot-out. I will use a point and shoot and he can use the most sophisticated digital SLR.


Easy lang :) No need to fight and this is OT, please use the PM function so as not to flood the thread anymore.

hey tammy, yeah my friend from pdi told me the same thing about smashing the defective units! hehe.. dreaming of a mark II here as well :)


Who? Raffy? kakainggit they're all using Mark IIs now! well except for the people on the bottom of the food chain, still using the D70s hehehe

hello guy,
who wants to to disposed there 20d...i'm interested to buy body only.

i have a friend who's selling it for around 40k+, not sure of the definite price. pm me if you're interested, i'll tell him about it :)

Who? Raffy? kakainggit they're all using Mark IIs now! well except for the people on the bottom of the food chain, still using the D70s hehehe

yeah nga eh! mark II + 16-35 L + 70-200 IS kumpleto rekado! hehe ako nakiki hawak lang kay raffy! :)

I have more important things to do than wasting my time arguing with an arrogant Fil-American.
You started the argument and not him. Sometimes we just have to respect other people's opinion on certain things.

I'm a Minister so I can use this last biblical phrase.
Shame on you then. You are proving to be a bad example of someone who supposedly follows the teaching of God. Whatever church you're in, I'm not going there for sure.

Calling me a stupid moron and 2 year old in public is hitting below the belt. That is where cowards attack you. If you want to fight with me, do it like a real man. Let's have a Kumite.

One on One and no bringing of Goons, Thugs or Bodyguards or use of guns & deadly weapons. We can also check our profiency by having a camera shoot-out. I will use a point and shoot and he can use the most sophisticated digital SLR.
Is this what you're supposed to be as a minister of the Church of God? Kumite because you got pikon in an online forum argument. Grow up.

What does it say in the Bible? About the teaching of Jesus Christ. When you are slapped on one cheek, give them the other cheek.

NOW BACK TO THE TOPIC.

Whatever camera, be it Nikon or Canon is good. Be happy you have a camera, because some people don't even have one at all. Both have their strengths and weaknesses. Thank God for Photoshop that we can address the weakness issues by post-processing our photographs easily digitally.

Ok, tama na. Wala na dapat nakikisawsaw sa suka.

Ok, tama na. Wala na dapat nakikisawsaw sa suka.

Kuha ka pa nga ng Chicharon, Dys! :D hahahahahahaha

The best brand is... Konica Minolta POP EF-7 camera with free Konica Minolta 135-36 shot film, camera case and hand strap. Features auto flash and auto rewind. -SRP P690

Now please stop fighting.

My apologies to the site owner and forum members for having spawned a monster-of-a-thread. My only intent was to point out that Nikon maybe on a comeback and this is not from some global market poll or study -- but something I've actually encountered in my dealings with potential customers.

Peace to all. Keep shooting!

IMO

its not really about Canon or Nikon.......whatever equipment we are using really doesnt matter....whats important is the output that comes out of these equipment that we use.

The bottomline here is that there will never be "one great brand"....there will just be great photos that we can appreciate regardless what system we are using.

Happy shooting to all......regardless what system you are shooting...lets all shoot, learn and appreciate the beauty of photography

Gentlemen:

I know that we were requested not to post in this thread anymore but it seems to be unfair that I was attacked first in public and the other guy has the last word to say. Let me clarify the following items:

1. I do know that Kennedy Space Center is in Florida and I do have my passport and US Visa to prove that I entered the United States in February 2004. I even have the entrance ticket to Kennedy Space Center. Regarding my taste for Art, well I have a Shengen Visa to prove that I was in Europe between 1998 and 2001. I also have photos of the countries I visited in the Mideterranean and the Middle East. The Center of Art and Music is in Europe and not in the United States for the information of Mr. Espino.

2. I am aware that there are other schools in Boston and New York but I only concentrate on the best institutions in that location and Harvard is in Michigan. I was just checking the familiarity of Mr. Espino with the East Coast. I've never been to the Big Apple so there is no need to attack my well respected mentors. I can disclose their names but there is no need to involve them.

3. Calling me a stupid moron and 2 year old in public is hitting below the belt. That is where cowards attack you. If you want to fight with me, do it like a real man. Let's have a Kumite.
One on One and no bringing of Goons, Thugs or Bodyguards or use of guns & deadly weapons.
We can also check our profiency by having a camera shoot-out. I will use a point and shoot and he can use the most sophisticated digital SLR.

4. There is this thing called copyright law which exists. As a professional, there is also this element called courtesy. I am not homophobic, I work with members of the third minority in the Fashion and Advertising Industry and there is mutual respect between us. What I said about Mr. Espino's stand regarding Nikon is more of a metaphor and one's principle in life.

5. The Graphic Consultant and Advertising Editor did not agree with the lay-out and simply did it to catch attention from prospective readers and buyers. Discouraging other artists and professionals from entering the market is counter-productive to higher standard of competition. I never thought that an Adobe Certified Expert and Mac user was considered by Mr. Espino to produce a blunt and boring work.

6. How can I downgrade the profession if I am defending the weak and those who can't afford those expensive equipments? FYI, I have an exhibit next month sponsored by a well respected museum in the country and participation in said event is by invitation only and from the best wedding photos taken this year. I'm good at what I do and I hope to represent the country soon in international competitions as what my mentors have been encouraging me to do. They use Canon, Nikon and Hasselblad Systems.

7. I don't belong to the big leagues and only one of those starting to enter the business, I can't believe that attacking me in this forum was even allowed. I came from the middle-class and only want to share my experience. I never said that Nikon is better than Canon or Vice Versa. It is more on preference. I'm really disappointed that a rich Guy like Nick Espino can run away with the things he said against me. This will be my last post and participation at DPP. I have more important things to do than wasting my time arguing with an arrogant Fil-American.

8. Instead of showing my credentials, I prefer to let my new portfolio speak for itself. An invitation to my Photo Exhibit will be sent next week to those who criticize me. If you prefer to see my credentials, I will just show it privately but I doubt if Mr. Nick Espino will even acknowledge that. He is full of hatred. I will just show him my credentials personally when he is not that emotional. It's useless talking to someone like him. He might not even believe that I have accomplished so many things in a short period of time and below the age of 40. He only worked and established a company belonging to the top Fortune 500 while I worked with the TOP ten (10). For me, Shooting people is better than still life. I appreciate Architecture but don't agree that it should be used as a meter of your accomplishment. Real Success is helping others and improving their lives and sharing your knowledge/blessings. How hard it is for a rich man to enter the Kingdom of God. I'm a Minister so I can use this last biblical phrase.

Dear Eric,

2 > Harvard is in Cambridge, MASSACHUSETS.
4 > More non-sequiturs in one paragraph than I've ever seen you post. Congratulations.
5 > An Adobe Certified Expert may guarantee proficiency but it does not guarantee creativity. It's all a matter of taste like you said. One man's dull may be another person's serene.
7 > Awww. I'll miss your posts. Really.
8 > How do you go from an exhibit, Nick Espino's hatred, Fortune 500 to people, still life and your being Minister? I'll reallly, really miss your posts. Oh wait, this may have beaten item #4.

Ria

Non Sequiturs - haha... exactly!

Earl and Dys . . .papasa nga ng Chicharon . . . :)

Earl and Dys . . .papasa nga ng Chicharon . . . :)

Pare naubos ko na,,order ka na lang ulit...:)

Instead of adding fuel to the fire... Why dont we just let the thread die down? I mean, its the most decent thing we can do really. The DPP Forum is a great place and a single thread can make it turn bad. One of the reasons I didnt enjoy pipho was because I never felt part of the community and that fights broke out and name-calling soon followed. So why cant we just stop this? :)

Kuha ka pa nga ng Chicharon, Dys! :D hahahahahahaha


@ Earl penge chicharon. with vinigar, garlic and sili!! yum yum

Guys cool it!!!

hey jerry this is all your fault!!! :)
hehehe...

It doesnt matter what side you are on... just do what you do best .. take photos and show us your side of the world..

@ Earl penge chicharon. with vinigar, garlic and sili!! yum yum

Sino ba talaga ang o-order? Si Eric ba o Dys? :D hahahahahaha

@ Sonny - That's why, we're diverting it already to something humorous... :Grin:

Lighten up everyone. The world does not end here and if ever, it will certainly not happen today! :)

...I just read this thread completely just now. I missed out on a lot.

Regards to all.

Instead of adding fuel to the fire... Why dont we just let the thread die down? I mean, its the most decent thing we can do really. The DPP Forum is a great place and a single thread can make it turn bad. One of the reasons I didnt enjoy pipho was because I never felt part of the community and that fights broke out and name-calling soon followed. So why cant we just stop this? :)




Yeah i agree to what he says.... :)

were here to post and share what we know... and not attack each other.... please ayusin natin ito......kawawa naman ang iba..

Hi Ria,

Thanks for the correction. I sometimes play this game called entrapment or pretending to be dumb and pissing off my opponent so that everyone can see his true colors. At any rate, I promised myself not to post anymore but if someone misses me then I will continue. Thanks for inspiring me to go back at DPP and share some of the stuff I know that can still be corrected provided that it be done in a professional and private manner. Without further a do, let's start the show.

Brent,

Thanks also for reminding me about the teachings of God. I'm only human and prone to commit mistakes but that does not justify anything. Let me reply to some of your comments.

1. Only God can be the judge to the things I have done on this earth. I have given up a lot of things for his greater honor and glory. I even gave up a scholarship grant at the Asian Institute of Management just to prepare for the Archdiocesan and Pontifical Choir here in the Philippines.

2. Well, the Church teaches us to love our enemies. I did not get pikon to what Mr. Nick Espino said. I did not invite him to Kumite because I was humiliated in public. I invited him because of the colorful and flavorful messages he sent to me privately. I'm supposed to share it with the forum but it is rated R. Too much violence. I agree to the non-use of violence, Kumite is just sparring wherein you respect your partner without hurting him. It involves total control of your Kicks and punches. Sensei Earl knows this. To maintain peace, a test of one's skills in photography is better.

3. For the sake of everyone, I have agreed to share my credentials in public so that my integity as a photographer and artist will no longer be the joke of some DPP members. Before I do that I will first give in detail the credentials of the people that were attacked, then that of my mentors and finally my professional and educational background provided that Mr. Espino agrees to apologize to me in public because he really started this degrading of Filipinos by calling me stupid, moron, ignorant nincompoo and a poser.

4. I'm a Nikon user but I have Canon-user friends. Because of this strong ties with the industry, I respect all professionals except those that attack my peers behind their backs and without checking first why such a project was done that way or not.

5. The cover design of the magazine that was criticized were made by the following people that I respect. They might not remember my name but they surely did inspire me to do what I love most and bring joy to people.

a. Ibarra Deri - He is the President of SPP - Society of Portrait Photographers of the Philippines. He supervised the photoshoot of the model. There were three (3) cameras used, a Canon 1D Mark 2, Canon 10D and 20D. I can't remember the lens used but I will get into it later on after I got the credentials of Mr. Deli from the WPPP Photo Congress 2004 database.

b. Jun Miranda - He is the first Philippine-based Adobe Certified Expert and Certified Instructor in Photoshop. He is also a Comp TIA Certified Technical Trainer (CTT). A product of Kodak Center for Creative Imaging (Camden, Maine), he establlished Pixel-Magic, a digital imaging studio and service bureau in 1994.

In the last twelve (12) years, he pursued further studies in imaging and related topics abroad. In 2004, he attended the seminars organized by the National Association of Photoshop Professionals in the US.

He has also conducted seminars and workshops throughout the country on digital photography, digital imaging and basic photography. He writes regularly at the Manila Bulletin, where he has a column - Digital Focus.

He was totally against the idea of presenting a lay-out with a simple, blunt, boring and bad symmetry. He has no choice but to follow the decision of the Advertising Editor because their main idea was to create a talk about the magazine.

I'd like to discuss further but I think, permission from the Administration is needed because I also don't want to create problems in the industry by revealing what I know and have gathered.

That will be all for now. I'm back. Best Regards to all, and hugs and kisses to my number one fan - Mr. Nick Espino.

this-is-going-to-be-a-long-thread... hope i'm wrong!

@Earl, Dex, Dys and Eric . . . ako na oorder ng chicharon . . . suka sili in tow . . . :)

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a69/theveed/ScreenShot012.jpg

hehe

This looks like a market share data. The tiltle should have been worded differently.

This looks like a market share data. The tiltle should have been worded differently.

Not even. The right most column says clicks, so it is a percentage of clicks that the brands got. This is usually very variable and is very much dependent on who had the latest launch of a new product. It is just a reflection of the number of people curious about that product at that moment in time.

@Earl, Dex, Dys and Eric . . . ako na oorder ng chicharon . . . suka sili in tow . . . :)

namiss ko tuloy ang Lapid's chicharon dahil sa usapan nyo!:Grin:

for me, it's our "passion for photography that matters most", as long as we're happy with our own gear and what we are doing it doesn't matter what brand or model it is.

Yes. It could be. Canon is famous.

Not even. The right most column says clicks, so it is a percentage of clicks that the brands got. This is usually very variable and is very much dependent on who had the latest launch of a new product. It is just a reflection of the number of people curious about that product at that moment in time.

Correct Brother Nap! :) In relation to this; this is why sometimes I am opposed to inaccurate quoting... In this case the original poster of that chart forgot the most important detail which was suppose to be read with the graph post... The note below:


The figures you see above are calculated based on "click throughs" to the specifications database from various places throughout the site. The percentages shown are based on a five day running total (the last five days). Note that we use special statistical analysis to ensure that these figures can not be artificially manipulated.
This simply represent a "level of interest" in a particular camera at any point in time. Obviously when a new camera is introduced it rolls to the top of the top ten, but there are other cameras which consistently produce a high level of interest.
We hold statistics for database "click throughs" going back to the start of the site which can be made available to any interested parties.
For more information please contact: Phil Askey / Webmaster.

He he he. That's why initially, my answer was in jest, regarding the Hasselblad thing. Mahirap pala talaga pag may dugong scientist ka. I cannot live with inaccurate data. In fact, in my field of specialty, before we believe what they say in Internationally-published journals, we usually review their methodology, especially how they conducted the sampling of data. Double-blind random sampling being the preferred way. We call it critical appraisal. You will be surprised, a good percentage of these journals publish papers that don't have valid conclusions. This may spell the difference between life and death of our patients that is why we always verify and question new published data. Sorry, medyo OT but still related a bit to the topic. He he he :)

He he he. That's why initially, my answer was in jest, regarding the Hasselblad thing. Mahirap pala talaga pag may dugong scientist ka. I cannot live with inaccurate data. In fact, in my field of specialty, before we believe what they say in Internationally-published journals, we usually review their methodology, especially how they conducted the sampling of data. Double-blind random sampling being the preferred way. We call it critical appraisal. You will be surprised, a good percentage of these journals publish papers that don't have valid conclusions. This may spell the difference between life and death of our patients that is why we always verify and question new published data. Sorry, medyo OT but still related a bit to the topic. He he he :)

I can definitely relate to this Bro., for remember, I was also in the medical field before throwing in my scrub-suit in favor of Pixel-surgery. :D hahahahahahaha...

Cakon o Ninon?

Cakon o Ninon?

Kahit ano basta maganda kuha! :)

Yes. It could be. Canon is famous.

can't remember where i read it some time ago but it says that Panasonic is the number one camera brand in Japan(?) should've book-marked it. tsk! apple+D! apple+D! apple+D!

yup i've read that as well... panasonic is indeed no.1 mostly due to their lumix PnS line...

Eric, Nick, let's have coffee sometime. Or if it helps cool things down, let's go get some Magnolia (aka Nestle) ice cream. :) Everything on me.

Jerry,

I know your intentions were not to start a flame war but just to state an observation that you have been observing at the retail level. This is what happens when opinionated individuals interact with each other.

So for the sake of good order, this thread is now officially closed. I would have kept it open but some people simply refuse to llsten to instructions from the Admin.