para sa mga pro. and amatuer photog. tanong ko lang po kung magkano ang mga presyo nyo sa mga client nyo for product shots and mga model. paano po ba kayo makipagdeal sa client gusto ko po malamn kasi yung process and paano po mag presyo.

meron kasi ako raket nitong week lang na to para daw sa billboard, ad agency sila they pay me 1500. kasi sabi nila bago lang namn daw ako ok lang sana kung facade lang kaso nagpashoot pa sila ng product.

minsan di ko alam kung tama or mali yung attitude ko na ok lang yun sayang din eh...

Hi Mic! Normally we charge on a per situation basis which would includes 3 variations. Pricing really depends on you, however I would suggest that you do a research on how much other photogs price their work, with almost the same skill level as you. Personally I think 1,500 is low especially if you have to use lighting equipment.

It is normal for a pro to charge as much as P40k per layout if it will be used for a billboard.

P1.5k is too low. Period.

Mababa yan mic...believe me I'm in the outdoor printing business :D

Michael, they're just giving you a full tank of gas... :) Buti sana kung Picanto lang car mo, baka me-matira pa... Damn... badtrip yan IMO.

OT @Michael: maganda ba kuha ng sigma 18-50 2.8 mo???

sa mga nag reply kay michael, what do you think is the right price??? i'm intrested to know too...

It is normal for a pro to charge as much as P40k per layout if it will be used for a billboard.

P1.5k is too low. Period.

take it from the expert....

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kung ayaw nila pumayag itaas... get some xdeals...

got the same deal din like you pero hindi ganyan ka baba... meron silang wedding venue na for rent sinama ko sa xdeal that i can use their location for a series of photoshoots for my portfolio....

Michael sobra namang baba nyan, ask a minimum of 3500 plus extras for the product shoot.

do you think may habol pa ko dun? and malupit pa nyan till now di pa nila ko binabayaran after 15 days pa daw....

im not a pro or into ads but isnt it mababa masyado yun 1500?? considering that its for a billboard? just my opinion:)

OT @Michael: maganda ba kuha ng sigma 18-50 2.8 mo???

sa mga nag reply kay michael, what do you think is the right price??? i'm intrested to know too...

OT: yup ok namn sya for me although you need to adjust ng kunti.

hi mic! 1.5K is very very low even for Davao standards (which is a lot cheaper than Manila). :D

do you think may habol pa ko dun? and malupit pa nyan till now di pa nila ko binabayaran after 15 days pa daw....

1.5K nalang, tinerms pa?! Walang patawad yan Bro.! :)

1.5K nalang, tinerms pa?! Walang patawad yan Bro.! :)

pre ganun kalupet... hehehe:Grin:

this is just sad, i guess it's better to show your folio first then if they like your work presyuhan mo ng according to standards (Philippines that is)

pre ganun kalupet... hehehe:Grin:

happened to me also. sad talaga. 30 days na. yung check kailangan ko pa kunin sa dulo ng qc. buti nalang i didnt give the files.

this is just sad, i guess it's better to show your folio first then if they like your work presyuhan mo ng according to standards (Philippines that is)

yah its a good idea

hello,

1.5k is only for event 2 hours lang yan cd only without editing..yung pang advertisng kailangan 5k ang 1 day ...lowest rate yan,if ever wala ka pang name sa industry.

hello,

1.5k is only for event 2 hours lang yan cd only without editing..yung pang advertisng kailangan 5k ang 1 day ...lowest rate yan,if ever wala ka pang name sa industry.

kausap ko nga sila eh. sabi wala namn daw sila budget for photoshoot. sabi ko pwede ba yun or singilin nila yung client nila.

drop them wala silang respeto sa profession natin...
or pwede rin ask for ex-deal,or sabihin mo sa kanila if ever may big project ikaw nang tatawagin...basta ang trabahon pang 1,500 lang talaga..10 shots with cd yun lang.

Ang lupet talaga ng client mo binarat ka na hulugan pa.

Same thing happened to me last June 4K (kasi di rin ako Pro, I'm only doing photography as an outlet to relieve stress from work and for my love of it) tapos kahapon lang ako nakasingil 1k lang (ang dami pa excuse)... he he he...

Inis nga ako ang laki nung package nila sa Customer tapos hindi pa nila ako mabayaran ng buo :(


From now on no Hi-Res file until full payment is made; they can have proofs that are only good for 3R printing. :))

Ang lupet talaga ng client mo binarat ka na hulugan pa.

Same thing happened to me last June 4K (kasi di rin ako Pro, I'm only doing photography as an outlet to relieve stress from work and for my love of it) tapos kahapon lang ako nakasingil 1k lang (ang dami pa excuse)... he he he...

Inis nga ako ang laki nung package nila sa Customer tapos hindi pa nila ako mabayaran ng buo :(


From now on no Hi-Res file until full payment is made; they can have proofs that are only good for 3R printing. :))

may mga ad agency talaga na kuripot tapos sila maniningil ng presyo para sa photoshoot tapos di ka nila babayaran ng tama. Mga walang pakundangan.... i terms ka pa. lufet talaga.....

Sa akin libre ang photoshoot basta ako ang gagawa ng billboard magmula sa printing hangang sa structure.

Michael, that amount they are offering you should offend you.

And if you accept that amount, other photographers will be offended because you're setting a precedent. Michael, the prices of images are low enough as it is, try not to lower it even further.

Sabihin mo sa kanila libre mo lang ishoot basta may credits ka na malaki sa billboard. hahaha :D

Seriously, the offer is way too low. :Mad:

para sa mga pro. and amatuer photog. tanong ko lang po kung magkano ang mga presyo nyo sa mga client nyo for product shots and mga model. paano po ba kayo makipagdeal sa client gusto ko po malamn kasi yung process and paano po mag presyo.

meron kasi ako raket nitong week lang na to para daw sa billboard, ad agency sila they pay me 1500. kasi sabi nila bago lang namn daw ako ok lang sana kung facade lang kaso nagpashoot pa sila ng product.

minsan di ko alam kung tama or mali yung attitude ko na ok lang yun sayang din eh...

Michael sobra namang baba nyan, ask a minimum of 3500 plus extras for the product shoot.

3.5K?! I don't think it's worth it even for this amount. Remember that they will be using your photos for billboards.

From what I hear (I don't work in the Philippines), you should ask for 20 times what they are offering.

yes mic. listen to the pros and those who have been there before. not only they are offending you but what they have on mind now is that "we" cost a lot cheaper than they usually thought.

they should respect us even though were new in this industry.
you could also refer to this link:
http://www.digitalphotographer.com.ph/forum/showthread.php?t=415

baka naman they mean 15,000? thats way too low , factor in ur gasoline, ur gear, ur professional fee, you rper diem, etc....

lugi k pa.!

mga sir tanong po ko ulet...

im working as a graphic artist sa in one company. gumawa kami ng catalog and were going to shoot a product sabi nila sakin ako na daw magshoot. so magkano ko kaya sila singilin with a minimal lang budget nila. may idea po ba kayo? tnx

Question, does this pricing concern is only for photographers? I mean if a photographer Juan dela Cruz is charging 15K on a project and I cut him off offering my services for FREE... am I a bad guy?

What if he is not a photographer, Say Juan is a Carpenter and he is charging 1.5K in repairing a chair... then I cut him off telling the client that I do it also for FREE... will I still be a bad guy?

just asking.

P5k for a whole day's work for an ad is still too low :D

hello,

1.5k is only for event 2 hours lang yan cd only without editing..yung pang advertisng kailangan 5k ang 1 day ...lowest rate yan,if ever wala ka pang name sa industry.

salamat po sir jo and rolando.

ito po isang tanong pa

mga sir tanong po ko ulet...

im working as a graphic artist sa in one company. gumawa kami ng catalog and were going to shoot a product sabi nila sakin ako na daw magshoot. so magkano ko kaya sila singilin with a minimal lang budget nila. may idea po ba kayo? tnx

No, I am asking because this keeps on happening to me... be it on photography or other matters. :(

I take it that the company will agree to compensate you aside from your usual salary?

What are the job specifications? How many products or layouts? How long will it take you to shoot everything? What will be the scope of the project? Will the images be used solely for the catalog?

I take it that the company will agree to compensate you aside from your usual salary?

What are the job specifications? How many products or layouts? How long will it take you to shoot everything? What will be the scope of the project? Will the images be used solely for the catalog?

30 products mga tshirt and shoes. for catalog lang sya gamitin para sa xmass season lang po?

Will all products be shot individually or in groups?

Will all products be available to be photographed within a single working day?

White background only?

Will you have to rent gear (i.e. product table, lights, camera and lens)?

Will all products be shot individually or in groups?

Will all products be available to be photographed within a single working day?

White background only?

Will you have to rent gear (i.e. product table, lights, camera and lens)?

individual po

one day po i shoot lahat

white background lang po

yung camera ko po yung gagamitin namin.

What about the lights?

Will the images just be used for the catalog?

What about the lights?

Will the images just be used for the catalog?

flash po ang gamit ko with defuser.

yup for the catalog

(I hope that you don't intend to just attach the flash to your camera's hotshoe. Will you be shooting overhead?)

Kamot ng ulo ....

I am assuming that they will be some form of taxes that will be deducted from your fees.

How long will it take them to pay?

(Always protect yourself with a contract and get a downpayment.)

You should be able to finish shooting everything within a couple of hours.

Hmmmm..... Kamot pa muli ng kalbong ulo ......

Try to see if they will be amenable to P65k for the whole thing.

(I hope that you don't intend to just attach the flash to your camera's hotshoe. Will you be shooting overhead?)

Kamot ng ulo ....

I am assuming that they will be some form of taxes that will be deducted from your fees.

How long will it take them to pay?

(Always protect yourself with a contract and get a downpayment.)

You should be able to finish shooting everything within a couple of hours.

Hmmmm..... Kamot pa muli ng kalbong ulo ......

Try to see if they will be amenable to P65k for the whole thing.

ok sir jo tnx po... baka sila mapa kamot ng ulo hehehehe

A client does not pay for a product or a service.

A client pays for how they feel about using a product or availing of a service.

What can you do to make sure they think you're worth the P65k?

They'll probably try to haggle you down. Don't accept anything less than P40k :D

Hi Mic I have some billboard projects already usaully i charge them per lay-out meaning 1 location 1 compre 1 model if its multinational company 20-30T, small company 5-10T.

Hey Mic start with a reasonable price thats where i started believe me after this project you will charge double or triple because you will realize that your getting better and better after every project. Sometimes the photographer does'nt know how to charge because they dont know how good they are.

Hayayya! i hope mic got lots of ideas how to charge and deal with clients napagod ako kakabasa ng thread... but its worth it... i agree with most of you guys! kaso there are clients na talagang maliit lang ang budget, so what will someone do, its either you get the job or somebody will, mind you, there are lots of clients who will see you as just another photog no matter how good you are. It's beacuse there are also lots of so-so photog who priced their talent way below just to get the project. In the end, who will suffer?? your guess is as good as mine.:Angry::Mad:

I've turned down projects from clients whose photography budgets I have deemed insufficient. You don't have to shoot each and every job that is offered to you.

Besides, if you agree to the low price now, what is stopping the client from asking you to shoot in the future at the same low price?

The industry suffers as a result of low-balling. This is probably why I hear a lot of photographers say that their business is in survival mode.

I have nothing against clients with low budgets. But why shoot it if the pay is too low?

i've just had an experience similar to that. nagbigay na nga ako ng presyong kaibigan para sa food shots pero mukha ang hinihingi presyong hinde nageexist! langya nainis lang ako! minsan kahit kaibigan mo ginagarapal ka pag hinde alam ang industry!

Hi Mike,

I'd just like to add:

1. If you charge low, you will have a difficult time adjusting it in the future.

2. Do you want to be considered as a cheap photographer? I don't think so, love yourself and respect the profession by helping the industry come up with a standard rate guide.

3. Whether they are your friends or relatives and whether you are a pro or hobbyist, they will always demand the best from you so use all the equipment needed like product table, studio lights etc.

4. This is a good opportunity for you to include it as part of your portfolio for future clients and bigger accounts, so treat it as if it is your last shoot and give it your best to maintain your commitment to high quality of work.

@ Rolly,

Compañero, you are not a bad guy, you're too generous and kind. Just let the other guy do it so that he will at least have some money to buy for his bread and butter. Best Regards. Hope your banding problem is now fixed.

@ Jo and Eric,
Can't agree with you more, pricing or standard pricing is really a problem in this profession.

ey JP, kinda have a similar experience. took photos for this fast food here for their posters... friend of mine owns the place. after having an agreed amount as payment, a week after the shoot as we chose the final pics, i was told that her family want to lower the price for some reason. after thinking about it that same night, i burned the pics in a CD (jpeg and unedited) and gave it to him. nawalan ako ng gana. :D

Actually, one of the problems I see here is mindset. Most people tend to shy away from the photographers pricing or we can say that they are "nanghihinayang" coz in their mind, what's playing is: "For the fee I am about to pay this guy, I could already buy a P&S and do the thing by myself. Hence, our only difference maybe is the equipment..." :)

O well, ask me nicely and I may do it for FREE. I do not care anymore. :D

Dex,
I know EXACTLY how that feels like.
Sometimes when I try to stick it to the man, I get turned off by the whole deal and just let the man win for once.

Actually, one of the problems I see here is mindset. Most people tend to shy away from the photographers pricing or we can say that they are "nanghihinayang" coz in their mind, what's playing is: "For the fee I am about to pay this guy, I could already buy a P&S and do the thing by myself. Hence, our only difference maybe is the equipment..." :)

We also get this kind of reaction, especially from new (prospective) clients, but after experiencing a shoot with us - when they see the preparations, equipment and expertise at play, then they understand our charges more.

Sometimes, clients - especially the ones you did not negotiate with and present portfolio to - may not realize the value of your work. It is important to talk to the decision-maker, and even more important, to have a job contract signed. Avoid verbal agreements, para mabawasan ang tawaran after the project has been done.

It also helps to indicate in your quotation the many things that are involved in shoots. Our quotations would say "Photographer's fee, including use of studio, equipment (and we may enumerate them, esp if project require special equipment), facilities; services of a photographer's assistant; processing, downloading and delivery of images in (number of) CDs or DVDs, and VAT..." instead of a one-line "Photographer's Fee..." We also include a detailed list of what we are expected to shoot, so we have a clear understanding of what the price covers (you'd be surprised at how requirements multiply when you are already shooting).

Of course, the usual terms and conditions are already printed on the form.

I hope these suggestions help.

Good luck,
Harvey

I agree with Mrs. Harvey Chua, the lady behind the success of Mr. John Chua, I experienced what she said last Monday when the PR Director requested me to do the post-production editing on-site after the shoot. I said that I was only commissioned to do the actual shoot and submit it on raw files. Good thing, I brought my picture editor with me for his training. That was the last favor I will do for that Director. Prudence is very important nowadays. Best Regards Mrs. Chua, you really inspired us at the WPPP Photo Congress 2006 along with Sir John. God Bless you always.

O well, ask me nicely and I may do it for FREE. I do not care anymore. :D

Same here. I even give prints for free :)

We also get this kind of reaction, especially from new (prospective) clients, but after experiencing a shoot with us - when they see the preparations, equipment and expertise at play, then they understand our charges more.

Sometimes, clients - especially the ones you did not negotiate with and present portfolio to - may not realize the value of your work. It is important to talk to the decision-maker, and even more important, to have a job contract signed. Avoid verbal agreements, para mabawasan ang tawaran after the project has been done.

It also helps to indicate in your quotation the many things that are involved in shoots. Our quotations would say "Photographer's fee, including use of studio, equipment (and we may enumerate them, esp if project require special equipment), facilities; services of a photographer's assistant; processing, downloading and delivery of images in (number of) CDs or DVDs, and VAT..." instead of a one-line "Photographer's Fee..." We also include a detailed list of what we are expected to shoot, so we have a clear understanding of what the price covers (you'd be surprised at how requirements multiply when you are already shooting).

Of course, the usual terms and conditions are already printed on the form.

I hope these suggestions help.

Good luck,
Harvey

I appreciate the informative comment Harvey... This certainly helps. :Grin:

... Guys, 'best revise your contracts and quotation/cost estimates. :)

Same here. I even give prints for free :)

Wouldn't we all hit the jackpot if our clients gave away their products:Grin: (cars, pizzas, cosmetics) and services (money from banks:Grin: :Grin: , free tickets from airlines) just because they got tired of negotiating prices with us?

Of course, they also do give away stuff - to promote themselves or to support their advocacies. But for all other times, they price their products carefully. Even promos are measured and results forecasted to make sure that the additional business that will come from them is greater than the cost of the promos (not limited to freebies).

So why is it that photographers like to give away their works? Or render services for free? Painters, sculptors and other artists and sculptors charge much higher for their works than photographers do. They may gift their esteemed friends with their works, but they value their work and do not give them away to strangers, casual friends or even prospective clients

No offense meant to those who wrote that they like to give away their works. After all, I see photographers in our family do the same thing.

This is an interesting thread. Gives me an insight to the professional hazzards of the hobby I'm in. I think Mic should heed your advise, else no one will be left doing professional work. In any industry, products and services rendered starts with selling yourself. Believe me, HIGH expectations on the "best product" and the "best service" is a GIVEN. They will not be willing to pay you for substandard work. So the only variable element that can make and break the first contact will be their impression of you.

It's a little different for those who have had extensive experience in this line of work, and have made a name for themselves. Track record, referral make it easy for future work for them. But for new players, your price points do not help further the interests of this industry, and who suffers? THE VETERANS.

Digital has made it most difficult for them. Parang "singco lima" nalang ang turringan ng presyo", a term I normally associate with a product life cycle on it's way down. Listen to the likes of Jo A, Harvey, Earl, Eric. They've been there. They are helping you to help the industry. Mic, not Pesos 1,500. :( :(

No offense meant to those who wrote that they like to give away their works. After all, I see photographers in our family do the same thing.
None taken. :)

Since I'm only a hobbyist, my only objective right now is to improve my skills. I figured, the more I shoot, the more experience I get, and the more I improve my technique. I'm also having fun in the process since there is no pressure to deliver.

I'll figure out the revenue part later :Grin: