Tok Paler
10-16-2006, 11:18 PM
any ideas on how to avoid this? or is this inherent to the camera's sensor?
Thanks in advance!:)
Thanks in advance!:)
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View Full Version : On sensor blooming Tok Paler 10-16-2006, 11:18 PM any ideas on how to avoid this? or is this inherent to the camera's sensor? Thanks in advance!:) Earl Gonzalez 10-17-2006, 12:18 AM CA is generally both camera sensor inherent and is further aggrevated by poor quality lenses. :) You can avoid the effects of this by achieving optimum exposure. Try to strike a balance between shadow and highlights and avoid too much backlighting and high contrast areas... But thinking about it too much will only limit you in your choice of subjects... That's why, the really best thing to do is to try not to think about it too much... Realistically speaking. :) Tok Paler 10-17-2006, 12:47 AM I knew i could count on your post! =D hehehehe! so for example: if i want to shoot straight into the sun (ie sunsets and such), how do i minimize if not completely avoid this? Rolando Avecilla 10-17-2006, 09:34 AM Play with the angle. Do not use filter. Additional glass infront of the lens will increase the chance of blooming. I knew i could count on your post! =D hehehehe! so for example: if i want to shoot straight into the sun (ie sunsets and such), how do i minimize if not completely avoid this? Earl Gonzalez 10-17-2006, 09:41 AM I knew i could count on your post! =D hehehehe! so for example: if i want to shoot straight into the sun (ie sunsets and such), how do i minimize if not completely avoid this? Rolly's post above is a very good way around it... Also if there are very obvious ones in your Pic. You can deal with it in PP by using the lens correction filter in PS. :) If I remember it correctly. jay jallorina 10-17-2006, 11:22 AM I knew i could count on your post! =D hehehehe! so for example: if i want to shoot straight into the sun (ie sunsets and such), how do i minimize if not completely avoid this? tok, blooming shouldnt be a problem is the exposure is correct. im saying this under the impression that you have a capable camera, as there are old sensors that are just prone to bloom. so if you are shooting into the sun, just spot expose on some area proximate to the sun and then compensate accordingly. try to use the histogram and make sure that only the sun is overexposed/blown out. that should ease blooming concerns. problem ko nga yan sa night photography, especially when shooting with street lamps. but i guess the new sensors now are more capable of handling a wider dynamic range and they dont show as much blooming as say, my old point-and-shoot... mitzpicardal 10-17-2006, 12:47 PM Shoot in RAW and remove the blooming in PP. Sensor blooming or purple fringing is lens independent. CA is different which has redish/pinkish on one side and green/bluish on the other side. Tok Paler 10-17-2006, 03:21 PM Say, this for example: http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y127/technolustetp/P9020776.jpg from what i know, the sun registers too bright in my cam so clipping occurs in the sensor and spills over the neighboring pixels, is that right? or is the sun just overexposed? at any rate, how do i get around sensor blooming here in PS? Thanks for the suggestions! =D Earl Gonzalez 10-17-2006, 03:26 PM What's the discernable problem area Tok? :) jay jallorina 10-17-2006, 03:31 PM blown way off the sensor's DR ang sun! unfortunately little could be done in this case....details (like making the sun appear as a bright yellow disc) are impossible to recover na. expose for the clouds. then i would use a levels or curves to lift the lower portion of the photo and apply a gradient mask. its better if you have a graduated density filter to use at the onset. sometimes oversaturation also leads to those posterizing artefacts around the sun. that's a really wicked red color cast ha. what if you copy the layer and switch to multiply blending mode. then adjust accordingly via curves? Tok Paler 10-17-2006, 03:33 PM oh sorry... the area around the sun pala! =b is this sensor blooming or is the sun just overexposed? i wanted to get a clear distinction around the sun sana.. =) jay jallorina 10-17-2006, 03:34 PM oh sorry... the area around the sun pala! =b is this sensor blooming or is the sun just overexposed? i wanted to get a clear distinction around the sun sana.. =) its overexposed lang! hehehe Tok Paler 10-17-2006, 03:36 PM blown way off the sensor's DR ang sun! unfortunately little could be done in this case....details (like making the sun appear as a bright yellow disc) are impossible to recover na. expose for the clouds. then i would use a levels or curves to lift the lower portion of the photo and apply a gradient mask. its better if you have a graduated density filter to use at the onset. sometimes oversaturation also leads to those posterizing artefacts around the sun. that's a really wicked red color cast ha. what if you copy the layer and switch to multiply blending mode. then adjust accordingly via curves? That's exactly how i wanted to capture it! a bright yellow disc hovering just above the horizon! =b the red cast is probably improper WB setting, i might have used 6600K for this shot. i'll give that a shot jay! =D thanks! Rolando Avecilla 10-17-2006, 03:44 PM tok, That is indeed a blooming. I bet you did not exposed for the sun but you exposed for the body of water. This has over exposed the Sun resulting to blooming. Well, you have no choice, if you exposed properly at the sun, the body of water will come out dark. This is the limits of our digital camera. There are many ways to get this particular shot. 1. You could have used gradual ND filter and use the darker part of the filter on the sky. 2. You could have made two shots, one exposing for the body of water and one exposing for the sun and then merge them in PS. 3. You could have used exposure bracketing and merge them to HDR. 4. This can be fixed in PS but I can't tell you... because I don't know how. :D You can always practice one or all suggestion here for your next attempt. :D Earl Gonzalez 10-17-2006, 03:47 PM Tok, Si Jay lang ang katapat niyang situation pic mo. :) Basta just remember, in most cases, slight controlled underexposure is better than the opposite... Detail can still be recovered kasi in slightly underexposed shots vs. blown highlights... If you want, you can always bracket your shots and exposures and use merge HDR in PS to come up with an image with more DR. HTH as well... :) oooops... Parehas pa kami ng iniisip ni Rolly in some areas... Tok Paler 10-17-2006, 03:51 PM Rolando, i took a shot of an area just adjacent to the sun but excluding it. i then took that exposure and used it to compose this shot.. i'll probably just get me a ND filter =b i've been thinking about getting one for some time now! hehehehe! =D jay jallorina 10-17-2006, 03:51 PM That's exactly how i wanted to capture it! a bright yellow disc hovering just above the horizon! =b the red cast is probably improper WB setting, i might have used 6600K for this shot. i'll give that a shot jay! =D thanks! for the longest time ive been dreaming of doing the same thing...getting that perfect sunset shot. i think i finally nailed something close during my zambales shoot. basta a long focal length really helps. tapos underexpose about half a stop with spot meter on a proximate area of the sun close to the sky. i just check the histogram and made sure only the sun is blinking. shoot in raw so WB is not a problem. goodluck! dont worry its not sensor bloom! http://static.flickr.com/84/235736423_57668ef50c_o.jpg Tok Paler 10-17-2006, 03:52 PM Thanks for all the info guys! =D you've been very helpful! =D Earl Gonzalez 10-17-2006, 03:54 PM Thanks for all the info guys! =D you've been very helpful! =D Alam ko makulit kami, specially si Rolly. :) Sana hindi kami nakagulo... Goodluck Bro.! :Grin: Tok Paler 10-17-2006, 04:01 PM Earl, Rolly Lol! =D A little levity, especially from you guys , always helped to liven up the most technically-thick threads on this forum! =D maraming salamat! =) Rolando Avecilla 10-17-2006, 04:01 PM May I know these: 1. You Exposure Mode (Manual, A, S, P or Auto) 2. Metering Mode (Spot, Center Weighted or Matrix) But doing as Jay did, the metering technique, noticed he used Spot... we can all get the same photo he posted. Thanks Jay. Look at mine: http://img334.imageshack.us/img334/7129/rha17404uw.jpg Rolando, i took a shot of an area just adjacent to the sun but excluding it. i then took that exposure and used it to compose this shot.. i'll probably just get me a ND filter =b i've been thinking about getting one for some time now! hehehehe! =D Rolando Avecilla 10-17-2006, 04:04 PM But do you know what is really frustrating? It's the speed of teh sun set. It seems to move very fast as you try all teh settings for an optimum exposure. Agree? Hehehe Earl is my idol sa kakulitan. :D Tok Paler 10-17-2006, 04:09 PM Rolly, i shot it on Manual. 1/1000sec @ F/5.6. jay jallorina 10-17-2006, 04:11 PM But do you know what is really frustrating? It's the speed of teh sun set. It seems to move very fast as you try all teh settings for an optimum exposure. Agree? Hehehe Earl is my idol sa kakulitan. :D i agree. especially since we are at the equatorial latitudes, the sun just seems to plunk down to the horizon lalo na pag malapit na ang sunset. its best to practice and practice, to ask and ask, to read and read while you're not out there shooting.....because when the opportunity comes along - when there are no clouds blocking that horizon, or there's an interesting subject (a fisherman for instance), or talagang rainy season lang at bihira ang sunset - experimenting on the spot will just ruin your shoot and possibly deprive you of that rare chance to nail your award winning sunset! :) sa zambales, i had about a two-minute window lang ata before those clouds swamped my sun! buti na lang i read somewhere here in dpp how to do it (or was it from the magazine?).... Tok Paler 10-17-2006, 04:11 PM But do you know what is really frustrating? It's the speed of teh sun set. It seems to move very fast as you try all teh settings for an optimum exposure. Agree? Hehehe Earl is my idol sa kakulitan. :D Hahahaha! =D very true! i find myself panicking to get my settings right for that particular composition and soon as you fire off a couple shots, the sun sinks lower and lower still until twilight nalang mashoshoot mo! =b Lol! =D Especially if you try to catch the setting sun only to find that it's already below the horizon as soon as you find a parking spot =b jay jallorina 10-17-2006, 04:13 PM May I know these: Thanks Jay. Look at mine: http://img334.imageshack.us/img334/7129/rha17404uw.jpg wow! really incredible complimentary hues..... bluish purple and orangey-red sunlight. naiyak ako.... :) nice yung corona huh! Rolando Avecilla 10-17-2006, 04:41 PM Last... http://img334.imageshack.us/img334/7194/sunset8oq.jpg |