i dont know if it brought out already but im wondering about the RAW file, how do you manipulate it and what software do you use? im new in photoshop CS2 im using it to add curves and crop my shots, but im using a large format, i cant open a RAW file from my CS2, any suggestion guys.......medyo praning na talaga ako kakatry and yet ala pa din nangyayari.

-is there a big difference when you enhance a pic from RAW file vs. the large format?

-i saw sir NINO's post that he will conduct a photoshop worshop, is that includes all? sir tuloy nyo na yan and im ONE of your student, i really want to know how?

- is there a book that discusses such RAW file manipulation/enhancing?

thanks in advance........need some help

Ryan, what camera are you using? :)

i cant open a RAW file from my CS2,

dude, you dont have the plug-in in CS2 for raw... you can download it here:Grin:

http://www.adobe.com/products/photoshop/cameraraw.html

@earl
sir im using canon 350D

@bj
thanks a lot sir, is it easy to understand? ill try to download it later.....

guys any basic tips on how to manipulate/enhance my pics?

@bj
sir, what will i download on the link you posted since im using a canon 350D?

@ryan
Download Adobe Camera Raw 3.6 or 3.5 from the link from the link bj posted.

You may also want to try Bibble, visit this site http://www.bibblelabs.com/ and download the trial version.

Ryan, once you have successfully downloaded ACR, you need to install it successfully as it does not do this automatically. Then you should be able to open the RAW files of your 350D within PS.

Remember that when you tweak the settings of your RAW file inside photoshop; and even if you save it a million times... Your original file does not degrade or would have artifacts introduced within them, as opposed to what may happen if you do the same thing with a JPEG file. Your RAW file actually does not get edited destructively even if you tweak the settings in the dialog repetedly. You can also revert back to the original image you took at any given time.

You can PM me anytime if you need further assistance on the RAW workflow or even if you need help in PS.

Goodluck. :)

@manny
sir thanks a lot for the info,

@earl
thanks a lot sir, theres a lot of questions i have to ask, but i have to try it first then ill pm you if you dont mind.

what do you suggest, ill shot on RAW file or on a large jpeg files? when will i suppose to shot on RAW file?

@earl
thanks a lot sir, theres a lot of questions i have to ask, but i have to try it first then ill pm you if you dont mind.

what do you suggest, ill shot on RAW file or on a large jpeg files? when will i suppose to shot on RAW file?

No problem. :)

I'm a RAW advocate; so if you ask me... Shoot RAW! :)

ill try to shoot also in RAW, maybe this will force myself to study CS2 to further enhance my pics. thank you sir earl...... hope you dont mind answering my queries again, thank you very much.

----is RAW+L differrent from RAW only on the camera resolution setting? what do you often use sir?

RAW+L only means that your camera will be generating a RAW file and a Large Fine JPEG file of the same image. Some photographers use the JPEGs for browsing and the corresponding RAW file for editing the final image.

ill try to shoot also in RAW, maybe this will force myself to study CS2 to further enhance my pics. thank you sir earl...... hope you dont mind answering my queries again, thank you very much.

----is RAW+L differrent from RAW only on the camera resolution setting? what do you often use sir?

RAW+L simply means that your camera produces 2 files of the same image. One in RAW and the other in Large JPG format... As for what I use; I just go straight RAW to save on disk space and besides if you shoot in RAW, you need to PP it anyway, but you have more options under your sleeve since you can basically convert it to any size or format that you require within the parameters of your image's/camera's best resolution limit. HTH :Grin:

About your queries... Just fire away... If I can answer them, I would. However, in this forum, there are alot who are wiser and more experienced... I believe they will chime in as well. See Jo Avila did already! :)

raw is definitely the way to go. just started using raw few weeks back and somehow its different when you switch back to jpeg.

I think you have to use RAW when you need to. You can't use RAW all the time. If your client needs the photos and can't wait that long for you to process them, there's no point of shooting RAW. However, if you have tons of storage, feel free to shoot RAW+JPEG all the time. :)

For me, I still choose whether to shoot RAW or JPEG. It really depends on the type of shoot. Just don't fall for the trap to shoot RAW and take the basics of exposure and lighting for granted. Don't make it a reason to salvage a poor shot. Poor shots are meant to be in the trash bin. :D

thanks a lot sirs for the advice from now on i will shot raw+L so that i could also view my images, it will not give me as many pics compared shooting on large format but i can have it manipulated after,

@sir melvin
your right i have to consider also where im going to shoot on raw or a jpeg file, and one thing i learn when im using film way back college, you have to be careful on choosing your subject and when will you click your camera, since film is very expensive and cant have a room for such mistakes, not like today in our digital age, just shoot and shoot, "makaka-chamba" ka din ng isa dyan, hehehehehe.

thanks a lot to all who spent there time answering my queries, since im new i still have a lot of questions to come...... thanks

god bless

-----what is the basic icon or tool in PS CS2 your using to enhance your pics?
right now i just know the curves and the crop thing...........
any basic tool to use to enhance my pics?

thanks a lot sirs for the advice from now on i will shot raw+L so that i could also view my images, it will not give me as many pics compared shooting on large format but i can have it manipulated after,

You can always view your images whether in your computer or in your camera's LCD eventhough you shoot only RAW. The JPEG thing is just convenient if you need your photos right away.

@sir melvin
Wag mo na ko i-Sir. haha. :D


your right i have to consider also where im going to shoot on raw or a jpeg file, and one thing i learn when im using film way back college, you have to be careful on choosing your subject and when will you click your camera, since film is very expensive and cant have a room for such mistakes,

Shooting RAW is like shooting film, you'll be very mindful of your shots. Mahal na din ang storage ngayon. For example, my 1GB CF card only takes about 150 RAW shots. That's just a little over 4 rolls.


not like today in our digital age, just shoot and shoot, "makaka-chamba" ka din ng isa dyan, hehehehehe.

Never fall for this trap. Di pwede bara bara lang. Pano makakachamba eh tuwing shoot eh wala naman iniiba sa setting. Di nadadaan sa dami yan. Yung mga gustong chumamba lang eh dapat itago na lang yung DSLR nila kasi pwede na point and shoot ang gamitin. Sayang naman ang bili nila kung di nila aaralin yung camera nila. :D


-----what is the basic icon or tool in PS CS2 your using to enhance your pics?
right now i just know the curves and the crop thing...........
any basic tool to use to enhance my pics?
Curves and cropping will do. Brightness and Contrast adjustments are also useful. Wag masyado mag PS unless you want to make it as digital art. Gamitin mo lang to punch up your photo.

Glad to help. :)

if you can find it, do read REAL WORLD CAMERA RAW for CS2 by Bruce Fraser. Just one of the things that will take your photography to the next level.

if you can find it, do read REAL WORLD CAMERA RAW for CS2 by Bruce Fraser. Just one of the things that will take your photography to the next level.

At saka habang libre pa yung lightbox try mo na din. :)

Jay, magkano tong book na 'to?

At saka habang libre pa yung lightbox try mo na din. :)

Lightbox po ba or Lightroom? :Grin:

No problem. :)

I'm a RAW advocate; so if you ask me... Shoot RAW! :)

earl,
i'm actually not a fan of RAW. I tried it twice before, but i can't seems to see any advantage of it over jpeg and i disliked the additional workflow. maybe because i still haven't discovered the true diversity of using RAW.
but after reading the posts of pro-RAW forumers here in DPP like you, i badly want to try shooting RAW all the way. Also there were some instances which made me think I should have used raw. like when I won a photo competition here and the organizers asked me to produce an A1 size of the photo. I found out there have been a lot of degradation on the photo i have in jpeg format after doing a lot of PP and saving it several times. I ended up printing only in A2 size.
I am resolved at the moment to go RAW next time I shoot (that is after my fractured arm healed completely). Also I have to buy additional CF card for that purpose. i'll also be asking questions or tips from you and other forumers once i go that way.

Okay guys lets start a new thread on Raw Workflow for those shooters who still question how its done. Jay J. or Earl G., you guys start it.

much better so that we would further understand how will we enhance our pics, to those who read and share their ideas, thank you very much.....

Okay guys lets start a new thread on Raw Workflow for those shooters who still question how its done. Jay J. or Earl G., you guys start it.


okay sir. if super member earl g. doesnt beat me to it, i'd like to prepare material so i could better present a sample RAW workflow for our friends here....:)

okay sir. if super member earl g. doesnt beat me to it, i'd like to prepare material so i could better present a sample RAW workflow for our friends here....:)

@ Nick Tuason - I'm preparing as well...

Okidokee Jay, Bro. :Grin: No worries or hurries my friend... Let's just present the best we can come up with for the benefit of our fellow members here in DPP. Let's do this thing! :SunGlass:

im looking forward to it for better understanding, mas maganda pag may sample para full tuitorial on the net......

hope this topic will open early, im the first student.....

good luck..... and thanks a lot

@ Nick Tuason - I'm preparing as well...

Okidokee Jay, Bro. :Grin: No worries or hurries my friend... Let's just present the best we can come up with for the benefit of our fellow members here in DPP. Let's do this thing! :SunGlass:


Earl,

Advanced thanks to you and Jay. This will help many of our members. Others are certain to chime here as well. Looking forward to it.

Oohh... this is nice! Can't wait for it to come...

Thanks in advance to Earl and Jay!

BTW, I'll be attending a seminar (http://zuckertapptour.com/closeup.htm) to be held by Monte Zucker and Eddie Tap this Nov 1. And another one by Dennis Reggie (http://www.photoplusexpo.com/ppe/exhibit_hall/conference/conference_info.jsp) on the following day. I'll also gladly share whatever I learn from it.

marco
what seminar was that? is it still open for registration?

details of the seminar please, baka interesting topic maka atend na din

marco
what seminar was that? is it still open for registration?

details of the seminar please, baka interesting topic maka atend na din

Yep. I think they are still open. Just click on the links. This is in New York, by the way. Are you here? Maybe we can meet up?

Here are the topics:

Program Highlights for Monte:


FIND THE LIGHT!
One simple light pattern that works for everything
Understand and selecting exact camera position
Quick, precise facial analysis of portrait subjects
Using camera settings to best advantage
Posing the unposed look
Combining ambient light with flash and/or other light modifiers
Digital infrared, black and white and other variations / manipulations
Establishing prices for specific target markets


Program Highlights for Eddie:


Controlling Digital Workflow
Workflow, Image Edits and the Winners
RAW, JPEG, Color Spaces and the final print
Getting the Color right at the Start
(white balancing)
Specialized Processing in Photoshop
The best darn B&W you ever controlled
Specialized ET Enhancement Techniques
MZ Soft Focus
Dream Glow
Cookie Light
Borders and Rules
Advanced Imaging Energy
Masking
Panoramas
Create'n SMART files


For Dennis Reggie:


Digital Wedding Photojournalism

opppssssss, sorry im in PI

Oohh... this is nice! Can't wait for it to come...

Thanks in advance to Earl and Jay!

BTW, I'll be attending a seminar (http://zuckertapptour.com/closeup.htm) to be held by Monte Zucker and Eddie Tap this Nov 1. And another one by Dennis Reggie (http://www.photoplusexpo.com/ppe/exhibit_hall/conference/conference_info.jsp) on the following day. I'll also gladly share whatever I learn from it.


you are very lucky kuya marco!

i also read about their 2006 digital photo tour across the US when i was searching about this expodisc white balance. How i wish they also come to Philippines....hope Sir Nick and Madam Pilar will invite these masters. :)

@earl
sir im using canon 350D

@bj
thanks a lot sir, is it easy to understand? ill try to download it later.....

guys any basic tips on how to manipulate/enhance my pics?

You can use the Canon software bundle with your 350D for raw conversion. The Canon's Digital Photo Professional (DPP) is very good in raw conversion. Just convert your raw file into TIFF16 using DPP then do the post processing in CS2. You can also use the Canon Zoombrowser if you want to convert your raw file straight to jpeg.

Guys, i'm having trouble opening up my RAW file in Photoshop. "Could not complete your request because it is not the right kind of document". I didn't have this problem before when i was using 350D, i'm using 30D now. So i end up using Canon's DPP software for raw conversion then I "convert and save" to jpeg file then open the jpeg file in Photoshop. I wonder if you could help me on this. Thanks.

Guys, i'm having trouble opening up my RAW file in Photoshop. "Could not complete your request because it is not the right kind of document". I didn't have this problem before when i was using 350D, i'm using 30D now. So i end up using Canon's DPP software for raw conversion then I "convert and save" to jpeg file then open the jpeg file in Photoshop. I wonder if you could help me on this. Thanks.
Some points Bro. :)
1.) Of course you should have the latest ACR installed in the right directory of your drive/system.

2.) This kind of prompt surfaces due to a corrupted registry, basically your system is confused what software it will use to open your current RAW file; coz at some point priorities got increased or decreased in the applications you were using.

3.) You have to specify in you system the default program or application which should handle your RAW file... Windows can do this, I'm not sure about the Mac system.

4.) Another application may be attempting to access the same file at the same time you try open it up.

5.) Check for conflicts in your plug-ins folder of PS. Another plug-in might be overriding ACR.

6.) If all else fails, uninstall Canon's DPP or other software you were using and reinstall your ACR plug-in, of course leave PS alone. It might solve the broken registry for your RAW file openner.

Ok. I downloaded the 3.5 ACR version and its working now. Now, if I can also fix my adobe bridge....... Thanks Sir Earl!

Ok. I downloaded the 3.5 ACR version and its working now. Now, if I can also fix my adobe bridge....... Thanks Sir Earl!

You're Welcome Bro. :)

So... What's wrong now with Bridge Benji? :Grin:

You're Welcome Bro. :)

So... What's wrong now with Bridge Benji? :Grin:

Same problem with the PS. Can't read the RAW file. Arrggh.. :Angry:

Same problem with the PS. Can't read the RAW file. Arrggh.. :Angry:

Re-install the ACR plug-in in the plug-ins folder of Bridge. That should do it. :) Or in worse case scenario, reinstall Bridge... Also try an Online update.

Will do! Thanks a million.

Will do! Thanks a million.

You're welcome Bro., glad to be of assistance... PM me if something's still amiss. :)

newbie lang din to raw..

just installed adobe cs2 and camera raw 3.6.. should i uninstall PS 7.0?

newbie lang din to raw..

just installed adobe cs2 and camera raw 3.6.. should i uninstall PS 7.0?

perhaps my dear bosconian classmate! hehe. save up on disk space.:)

haha! i will then! thanks bosconian master jay! :D

perhaps my dear bosconian classmate! hehe. save up on disk space.:)

Couldn't agree more... Though PS7 is a very good program, it's actually quite obsolete already. :)

hehe thanks guys! m having fun already! im trying out HDR.. :D

oh how do i save an HDR file as JPEG? ang laki ng size eh..

oh how do i save an HDR file as JPEG? ang laki ng size eh..

Save it after you finish all the subprocesses. :)

oh how do i save an HDR file as JPEG? ang laki ng size eh..

convert mo muna to 8-bit...using adjustment menu>mode>8-bit:)

and make sure to flatten layers!

Save it to Open EXR (.exr) format. smaller in size than Radiance HDR (.hdr) and Portable BitMap (.pbm). Or better yet if you can save it to JPEG-HDR if you have software.

got it! however, when i convert it to 8bit, i had to adjust the settings again. parang it defeats the purpose of my initial adjustments in 32bit. sorry for the OT. maybe you can transfer it to the HDR thread. thanks guys!

Jonathan,

You should not do any processing (aside from HDR creation) in 32 bit. You're not able to display (the 32 bit image) it an ordinary monitor or in print anyway. You have to do tonemapping to be able to display it "correctly" in a monitor or in print.
You can do the adjustment during tonemapping or do the adjustment after tonemapping. That's the time you can save to JPEG.

If you just want to save your HDR file to smaller sise without any change in image quality then follow my post above. HTH

oh i see! so the initial adjustment (setting the white point) is for making sure that the what we see in the monitor is what we get? then convert it to 8bit so we can do our usual adjustments? :D

Nope. What you see on your monitor displaying an HDR (32 bit) image is not what you really get since your monitor (which has a low dynamic range -LDR*) can't display the whole dynamic range of the image. That's the reason you have to tonemap the HDR image so you can see a translated hdr image displayed in an LDR device like your monitor.

If you save the image in 32-bit per channel, adjusting white point slider is only for previewing the merge image. All the HDR image data remain intact. If you choose to save the image in 8-bit or 16-bit, moving the slider applies exposure adjustment to the image. In this case some data will be discarded and is not recoverable. HTH.

*HDR monitor are now being developed for scientific use and they're very expensive.

ah ok.. makes more sense to me now and did a little twiddling din.. thanks very much mitz!

I'm glad to be of help Jonathan. Can you post some of your HDR images?

ok i'll be posting some hdr pics i made soon! dami eh.. :D i'm still uploading as i type this hehe.. many thanks again! ;)

question...

can i use the raw converter plug-in of the 30d for raw files taken with the 300d, or should i still keep separate plug-ins for separate cameras?

thanks. :)

The Raw converter plug-in is backwards compatible :D I'm using the latest plug-in to process 300d and 30 camera raw files :D

The Raw converter plug-in is backwards compatible :D I'm using the latest plug-in to process 300d and 30 camera raw files :D

Yes, and to add... It's periodically updated to accomodate new camera releases. One can also check Adobe's release notes for version changes and a complete list of supported formats. :)

thanks jo!
thanks earl!

Hi, Some when they did the PP and save it, tendency is the file size cuts in half. You edit how to save your file for me, Put the quality to max, format option progresive then size at 2mbps,. your file still big. I use for my Nikon Picture project, PP on Elements 3 or CS, but i edit only the auto levels, too much editing feels like i did a bad setting on my camera.

Keep on shooting. Not that good in shooting but knows a lot in Photoshop, elements, corel, max, viz and cad.

Hi, Some when they did the PP and save it, tendency is the file size cuts in half. You edit how to save your file for me, Put the quality to max, format option progresive then size at 2mbps,. your file still big. I use for my Nikon Picture project, PP on Elements 3 or CS, but i edit only the auto levels, too much editing feels like i did a bad setting on my camera.

Keep on shooting. Not that good in shooting but knows a lot in Photoshop, elements, corel, max, viz and cad.

Depends on your target output or requirement... You need not assign progressive nor the maximum 2mbps bandwidth distribution rate, if your image is not intended for network delivery; which also takes into consideration: bandwidth quota as well as connection speed... Sometimes even for web applications, assigning an image with a progressive property causes loading problems for some interfaces or worse even--browsers, specially those which run on cold-fusion or flash. Also, maxing out the image quality to about 12 in PS denotes that the image is in it's original uncompressed mode, so definitely in this case the file size is also huge due to the non-compression of the file. :)