If you guys would choose between having Nikon D200 as primary cam and Nikon D80 as secondary AGAINST Canon 5D as primary and 30D/400D as secondary which would you choose. Thank You

I'll go for Canon :)

If you guys would choose between having Nikon D200 as primary cam and Nikon D80 as secondary AGAINST Canon 5D as primary and 30D/400D as secondary which would you choose. Thank You

functionally, they are about the same. The 5d has some advantage in low light noise and it being FF. Optically, they are also about equal, though Nikon is slightly better at the wide end. But Canon is also slightly better on the long end. It really depends on what you want to do.

Price wise, they're both very competitive, so I guess, price is no longer too much an issue here, unless you are very picky.


Personally, and as a semi-pro, I'd stick with Canon for the ff reasons:

1. Better support. Nikon is under new mg't so we expect the support issue to be better. But I'd still wait a year to see how if this support is sustainable or it will just be a novelty effect. Good support is not an act of mg't. It is a culture and mindset. It is a habit that if the new company does not really have, it will slip slide back to its old ways again.

2. Better low light performance. Nikon is catching up, but again, until it really does, I'll stick with Canon. Shooting weddings in situations with less light than you want made me thank that I got a Canon.

3. Canon has a 35mm sensor sized models. This may not mean too much to many and I am one of them. But knowing I can go that format size is a big thing in case I have to do some stuff that requires it. And with that sensor size comes pixel count. I know I can go 12.8mp, 16mp or 22mp if I have to. Nikon does not have those, YET. Knowing that I have those sizes and the low light performance is a good thing.

Finally, I don't look at bodies, basically. I look at glass. I fancy the mid and long end more than the wide end (though I have a 10-22 to cover me there), so, having a lineup that closely matches my temperemant is more important than bodies. Look at the d200 or the d50, or now the 400d. You'd never think that we'd have a 10mp cameras for those price points w/ so many features. But a good 70-200 with or without VR/IS has outlived the earlier models (d100 or d60). So, I'd rather make my lens lineup solid in my camera decisions.


In the end, the question is like w/c car is better, a honda or a toyota. You can use any other brand in there really. They have their pros and cons. In the end, it is a matter of choice. For a pro, it's really the one that delivers the goods and the one that will support me if my gear conks out.

canon for me

if those units were my choices, 5D/30D for me... D200/D80 doesn't have compatible memory cards for one. very good high ISO performance. and you don't need that 10-22 for ultra wide shots, you can use a 17-30L w/ the 5D for UW shots or you can use it on your 30D as a mid zoom... dual purpose. :D

Canon for me.

Though it's literally a Canon world out there... I'll still shoot Nikon baby YEAH!. :)
...coz I simply love the way their cameras feel.

If i'll shoot with the camera that i love the feel the most, i'd be still shooting with the E-1. ;) my ol' D70s is next in line. :D can't say for the other cams since i've only owned those two before my 30Ds.

If i'll shoot with the camera that i love the feel the most, i'd be still shooting with the E-1. ;) my ol' D70s is next in line. :D can't say for the other cams since i've only owned those two before my 30Ds.
Agreed Dexter! :) That "Feel" is really a determining factor...

@earl -- no doubt! hehe didn't realize i did an OT reply until after i posted it. oops!

I'm a Nikon fanboy but I don't look at it as a Nikon- or Canon-only argument. I'd look at it from a what is the best combination body-and-glass-wise point-of-view so here goes:

Nikkor 17-35/2.8 with a D200 : Great wedding combo!
Canon 85/1.2 with a 5D : Great portraiture/bokeh/shallow-DOF combo!
Nikkor 200/2 with a D200 : Everyone will look thinner! Great bokeh!
Nikkor 200-400/4 with a D2X : Great birding or wildlife combo!
Canon 28/1.8 with a 5D : Great environmental journalism combo!
Nikkor 18-35/3.5~4.5 and 85/1.8 with a D70 : Lightweight travel combo!

etc..

:)

@Earl

I agree with you on the "feel." That's the main reason why I got a Nikon... then, everything followed.

I'm not a wedding Photographer, On the choices you mention, MAYBE I'll choose Canon due to the fact about the Full Frame 5D,,,,BUT..........
were only talking about body here... but all in all you need to make a combination of a good Glass which is both system are great (Canon is Just a little bit ahead due to wide selection, means they have more to offer, but you dont need all of that)....

what is the best lens for Wedding (I dont know exactly), but i guarantee both system have something to offer.....

As a wedding Photographer you need also a Very good Flash,, Which is Nikon is way way ahead than Canon, (they have there CLS)....

In final analysis, (just me) I go to Nikon

Guys it's Just my two cent, And I hope hindi ito pagmulan ng Nikon or Canon war Peace:)

@eric, i agree. i laugh at those who preach, "it's in the photographer, not the camera", and then flames the other brands! fakers! hehe!

then again, let's not forget that what is asked here is the combo of bodies (D200/D80 vs 5D/30D/400D) and i guess what would work well together :D

if I were to choose a body, i'd get the D200, but with the D200/D80 combo -- i'll go with the 5D/30D :D

Nikon ergonomics just makes sense. If you've handled an SLR before, you can pretty much operate a Nikon without even going through the manual. Like what Earl and Dindin said, there's just a certain "feel" to it that makes it a joy to use.

For example, if you want to delete pic, you just need to press the delete button twice(the 2nd to confirm). Pretty straightforward.

I agree with others though that Canon has a 1-2 stop lead over Nikon in terms of HIGH ISO performance though with the D80, it looks like Nikon has finally caught up. (Hopefully this gets carried over to future bodies)

Also, if you're a wide angle kind of guy, Canon is the only viable option because of their FF sensor. Just be ware of the light fall-off issues when shooting wide open.

What would sway me to Canon though is support. I've heard not so good things about Nikon support in the Phils. that you would really have to think long and hard about this. You don't want to end up with very expensive paperweights.:Grin: I've also heard that things will be improving but that remains to be seen.

Anyway, you can't go wrong with either system. I suggest you try to borrow one of each and decide based on your preference.

regards.

@Earl

I agree with you on the "feel." That's the main reason why I got a Nikon... then, everything followed.

Ditto Dindin! :)

You can't go wrong with both systems. My advice, choose what works for you! :)

You should try both systems and see how it fits your shooting style and applications.

As they said Nikon ergonomics, I can attest to that. I had it on my mind when holding a Nikon that i would become a better photographer for some reason. There is something on it absorbing my energy to the Dark Side.:)

But the thing i like most is that, I can change the settings quickly as the light suddenly changes with Nikon. That's my observation.

Good Luck to your choices!

go canon. you will never, ever regret it :)

Ahh yet another Canon vs. Nikon thread.
Choosing one camera brand over the other won't make you a better photographer.
Why don't you try both systems, read the reviews on the internet and take it from there.
Canon has the technological edge but Nikon gives you more flexibility especially with its F-mount lenses. You can use Nikkor lenses in both manual focus and autofocus slrs. Just imagine the excellent 2nd hand lenses that's out there.
It's not how it looks, it's how it feels.

hmmm, maybe it's just us looking at this thread as a Nikon vs. Canon thread... when in fact it's more of a query about body combination on the D200 and D80 vs the 5D and 30D/400D. not the brand, looks and feel per se but more on complementation of each of the bodies to the other, how they are going to work as a combo (primary/secondary) and using them in unison in an event for example. and what would work best. :D

both equipment are good they have their own advantage and disadvantage. Its a matter of choice...

Ahh yet another Canon vs. Nikon thread.
Choosing one camera brand over the other won't make you a better photographer.
Why don't you try both systems, read the reviews on the internet and take it from there.
Canon has the technological edge but Nikon gives you more flexibility especially with its F-mount lenses. You can use Nikkor lenses in both manual focus and autofocus slrs. Just imagine the excellent 2nd hand lenses that's out there.
It's not how it looks, it's how it feels.

yup,nikon is practical ..only the body is expensive the lense are not,.you can use your old lenses not like canon..for EOS lang talaga,.then now they design the kit lense for the design body lang talaga like the 18 to 55 na kit lense ..hindi mo magagamit sa film na EOS..and then palaging nag update nang system..better buy the not so expensive body like the 350d and 400d para upgarde once a year..kasi may dadating na namang bago...pero loyal parin ako sa canon...maronong sila kong sino ang mga market nila.,pero ang mahal talaga nang L lenses nila

hehehe money wise is true for Nikon but all-in-all I would go for Canon because of its ISO handling capability, I've tested and seen the output pics at high ISO it seems noise was merely eliminated even with the kit lens on the 400D.

yup,nikon is practical ..only the body is expensive the lense are not,... canon... pero ang mahal talaga nang L lenses nila

er, this is arguable. :D i find more expensive nikkor pro grade glass than canon L lenses. :D

hindi expensive ang nikon if you use the manual lense mount for your dslr...not like canon saan ka ba makakita nang 2.8 na manual na for EOS...wala dba? you need to buy the L lense ...not like sa nikon if you have the manual lense na 2.8 ma gagamit mo sa mga DSLR na body nang NIkon...thats my point..sa nikon may choice ka sa canon wala....gets mo?

just to add up there's an adapter for Canon EOS to use Nikkor lenses, so you have a choice, and indeed a choice there is for Canon so as to enjoy best of both worlds.

Just google it up and you will find lots of link about it.
here's one to support my statement...
http://cgi.ebay.com/Nikon-AI-lens-to-Canon-EOS-body-adapter-made-in-Japan_W0QQitemZ290036630891QQihZ019QQcategoryZ3005 9QQcmdZViewItem

just to add up there's an adapter for Canon EOS to use Nikkor lenses, so you have a choice, and indeed a choice there is for Canon so as to enjoy best of both worlds.

Just google it up and you will find lots of link about it.
here's one to support my statement...
http://cgi.ebay.com/Nikon-AI-lens-to-Canon-EOS-body-adapter-made-in-Japan_W0QQitemZ290036630891QQihZ019QQcategoryZ3005 9QQcmdZViewItem

The question posed a C vs N debate but here are my 2 cents idea:

If you have any of the brand's compatible lenses that may be an easy answer, question is are you starting from scratch or do you use any of the sytem above?

Yes ergonomics of nikon is better than canon for us nikon shooters but for those who are used to canon it may not be necessarily so.

I don't ever use ISO higher than 800 in serious shoots if ever I need that i would use the best P&S in lowlight, Fuji F30 or F11. If I were to shoot lowlight I would recommend fast glasses like the canon 85 1.2 and the new 50 1.2, for us nikonians the 85 1.4, 50 1.4 and the MF lenses 35 1.4, 50 1.2 and 105 1.8 which are al compatible with higher end nikons like D2x & D200. The 1-2 extra stops I will need can be taken cared of by fast lenses rather than higher ISO. Ex. :ISO 400 with 1.4 opening will be equal to ISO 6400 AT 5.6 opening in full stop incerement so the slow zooms 3.5-5.6 are almost useless. Your best shot will be a 2.8 with IS or VR to be able to shoot that condition or use a flash

That much hype in high ISO capablities IMO is not as important than investing in real good fast lenses and image stabilzed ones. Now comes the advantage of the Nikons; build & handling definitely better, try holding a D2x or D200 against a 5D or 30D, those all important weather seals only the EOS 1D has that in the C DSLR line up, faster fps of D2x & D200 vs 5D & 30D, lens compatibility support hands up to N even Zeiss supports F mounts, service support C is leading by a wide margin as of now, sensors, C manufacture their own, price N is somewhat lower, availability, C is available everywhere .........

It's for you to decide please take note that I am not in any way critisizing C but just giving my piece to help you in your quest....good luck bro.

I was a Canon 300D user before... then sold it and got a Nikon D70... sold it and got a Canon 2OD... then sold it and got a Canon 30D... what's next? :)

My humble opinion, Canon has easier controls and features for newbies to understand. nikon is more 'fine-tuned' for me. Nikon has better colors than Canon (without post processing), but after pp Canon seems to come out a bit better. Canon has more 'organized' catalog of lenses. I get dizzy with Nikon's lineup.

As of the moment I am selling my 30D in exchange for a Nikon D200, why? I do not like to PP my pictures mainly because of the amount of time needed. Also, the current 18-200mm VR is a winner in my opinion. You can go on a trip and just bring that lens and worry about how you are going to shoot rather than bringing 3 lenses and changing them every now and then :)

Canon or Nikon? It depends on what you are comfortable with. As Jo Avila would say, "It's not the pana, it's the Indian." :)

Hi. I know that the question is whether Nikon or Canon. Problem is I am a die-hard Nikon user and can't say much about canon but here are several reasons why D200 is a superb DSLR:

1. finally color interpretation is perfect much like the D2x. most of the shots will see the color the way the photographer sees it. the AutoWB is superb allowing you to concentrate on composition rather than twiddling with the control to get the right color.

2. light weight. when you are shooting a wedding and you have to stand for eight hours imagine carrying a D2x and D1x with stroboframe and fast zoom lens -- more than 10 pounds on each shoulder. D200 is a relief - i tell you.

3. big screen. you want to see everything in big screen. a 2.5" LCD is definitely a plus

4. tough magnesium body. I own several nikons and the one that really pisses me off is when the body trimming peels off.

also,
10.2 Megapixels, 5.1 FPS (measured), unusually high quality, 11 area AF, rubberized magnesium weather-sealed body, $1,699.95 US.

you can't go wrong with the D200.


fol

Been there and had tried both systems and its true I never got to use Nikon Service Center during my film days (nikonF5) I guess the camera just never breaks down. While the Canon Service Center gives excellent service (I'd rather not have any of my cameras breakdown),which is most unfortunate with my 10Ds & 20ds. Not built to take the abuse--of course that is not fair --i mean not comparing apples with oranges--I mean
the Canon MarkII N looks like a forminable workhorse of a camera to me--I had the privilege of test driving this animal of a camera --it felt robust and up to the job but at P240K big ouch on the wallet.

I am now back with the Nikon system, the D200 with 17-55mm, a 2nd body with th 70-200 mm f2.8VR , an 85mm, a fisheye is my travel light kit. Pretty soon will have a couple of Canon Prime lenses up for sale--"Maybe" still holding out who knows that Canon MarkIIN might eventually be available at a steal? It took Nikon a while to make a come back especially with digital but it certainly has some plus points especially with the Nikon speedlights SB800/ the sharpness of the images.Just a tad better than but and its all a matter of subjective taste and choice. I was not pleased to find out the cmaera i bough in less than a year has dropped its purchase price by 25-35%, this goes for both the nikon and Canon. Canon had the 20D from 95k and the new 30D just about 60k . while the Nikon D200 debuted at P115k last december and as of last week can be had for about 70K +- 3K. Gosh just like buying a computer next model will cost the same but will be twice as fast as this years model. But still this is about the best time one can by a digital camera. Its fast enough and the pixel size is more than you will need 95% of the time.

As of this writing the Nikon D200 is good value for money. You can buy two bodies for the price of one Canon 5D, with some loose change maybe one of the newer 18-135 VR nikon lenses will be good. I will go with the 2nd body back-up and I really do not like changing lenses--would like to keep my CCD clean.

patrick uy

Welcome to DPP Patrick Uy! :) Smashing first post Bro.! :)

Canon all the way...:)

Canon all the way...:)

I know this very well my dear friend! :)

Sir Patrick,

Finally, you're here. Welcome to DPP. I'm sure many will learn from you Oh Wise One.

Marcos,

Nikon has never failed me in delivering the results demanded by my clients. Hope you will see the light. By the way, it is not true that the D200 is not good at high ISO and low light conditions. Sir Patrick was shooting with his D200 and 70-200mm f2.8 AFS-VR lens at a Fashion Show at the Fort last April without a flash and his images were razor sharp. The Nikon D80 is a good camera for starters but due to the price drop, now is the right time to buy the D200.

Pretty soon will have a couple of Canon Prime lenses up for sale--"Maybe" still holding out who knows that Canon MarkIIN might eventually be available at a steal? patrick uy


Hi there sir Patrick, just in case you decided to let go of some of your canon gears you know where to post it. A lot of us canon users here will be much willing to grab hold of those lenses.

the comparison is not the same. 5d is full frame while d200 is not. Try comparing with more similar features to be fair.

But Im already biase with Nikon, and Im sure a canon user wil be too. So lets just have fun shooting and show our pictures .Its the shooter not the camera!

and thats why I love watchng NCIS!

THE Patrick Uy? Happy to know that you're back with Nikon! :D

the comparison is not the same. 5d is full frame while d200 is not. Try comparing with more similar features to be fair.

But Im already biase with Nikon, and Im sure a canon user wil be too. So lets just have fun shooting and show our pictures .Its the shooter not the camera!

!

well said its not about the gear its the end result that counts. i am sure the ones being photographed couldnt care less if its shot with a vr lens or an Is lens.

you can use your old lenses not like canon..for EOS lang talaga,.then now they design the kit lense for the design body lang talaga like the 18 to 55 na kit lense ..hindi mo magagamit sa film na EOS.
Yup, the Nikon F mount have been around longer, unlike Canon's newer EF mount standard in EOS (Electro-Optical System) cameras which debuted in 1987.

AFAIK, there is only one variation of the EF lens mount (http://www.digitalphotographer.com.ph/forum/EF%20lens%20mount), the EF-S_lens_mount (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canon_EF-S_lens_mount).

Nikon users please correct me if am wrong, DX lenses would cause vignetting when attached to a film camera, right? This is also true (with some surgery) when you attach an EF-S mount to a Canon film EOS and digital full-frame (1DS MKII and 5D) EOS camera.

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikon_F_mount (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikon_F_mount)

canon or nikon. the endless debate on which system to choose.

the easiest and faster answer is to try both and choose the system that you're comfortable with. it's like a wife, once you said yes, you're stuck for life. (unless you have enough cash to shift)

else, get a leica, or a medium format. LOL

Amen!

Tried both... they are equally superior and inferior. Those who haven't tried both, I take your opinions with a grain of salt.

I'm lucky I have the means to try and I can only wish that someday all of you can as well so you can make up your own mind.

Sizing up a photographer based on his gear is narrow minded and divisive. I prefer to have friends in the same hobby because I like their company, being able to share glass with them is a bonus, not a requirement.

canon or nikon. the endless debate on which system to choose.
else, get a leica, or a medium format. LOL

Which reminds me of an old campaign line of a softdrink commercial: "There's more to life than just Coke and Pepsi."

I Leica :Grin:

Sizing up a photographer based on his gear is narrow minded and divisive. I prefer to have friends in the same hobby because I like their company, being able to share glass with them is a bonus, not a requirement.

Counter AMEN. Some people do actually size you up, asking first what camera you use first, thinking that information is more valuable than the "how" that shot was actually taken.

canon or nikon. the endless debate on which system to choose.

the easiest and faster answer is to try both and choose the system that you're comfortable with. it's like a wife, once you said yes, you're stuck for life. (unless you have enough cash to shift)

else, get a leica, or a medium format. LOL

Amen!!!

mag-lomo nalang sa mga hindi maka-decide :p

Amen 2!!!

be happy and content whatever you can afford. both gears are ok. they do have both + & -...

nikon of course because of the feel and the looks.

NIKOn kasi kapangalan ko hehehe :)

being able to share glass with them is a bonus, not a requirement.

And I drink to that, cheers!

the easiest and faster answer is to try both and choose the system that you're comfortable with. it's like a wife, once you said yes, you're stuck for life. (unless you have enough cash to shift)


waha! true... true! :)

I'll go for Nikon. I agree with Earl and Dindin. It's the feel....

Amen!!!

mag-lomo nalang sa mga hindi maka-decide :p

Would love to get my hands on a Lomo Fisheye ... would you know where I can buy one locally? My friends got theirs in HKG.

:Grin:

If you guys would choose between having Nikon D200 as primary cam and Nikon D80 as secondary AGAINST Canon 5D as primary and 30D/400D as secondary which would you choose. Thank You

I think D80 is a wrong backup for D200 because of different memory cards.

If money no object I'd go for 2 D200. hehehe

whatever feels that you can afford and comfortable with it.

but i still feel nikon. :)

Ahem ahem, sige na nga wag na lang. >__<

:D

been using nikon since the good old film bodies...why switch??? Nikon all the way!!!

canon pa rin ako.

for me CANON, it will delight you always. based on evolving technology CANON. but either way you can never go wrong, check both systems personally and you'll know what fits you the most.

I really prefer the feel of Nikon! I recently held a D40... size reminds me of the 350D but it still had a better feel! :Grin:

Way back in 98 when I really didn't know much about SLRs but was dying to have one since the PS were just so frustrating, I had a chance to try out a Canon Eos I can't remember the exact model and a Nikon f90x. The feel of the Nikon body in my hands was just perfect. When I looked at both of them side by side, the Nikon looked more gwapo. And, the all black was a plus.

I never looked back. Now, even if they say that Canon has better after sales service, I still don't get tempted to switch. Why? Nikon is just so tough... never brought any of my Nikon stuff for service.

But then again, I am not a Canon-hater. I actually love this Canon-Nikon semi-war thing. IT KEEPS THE BRANDS AT PAR WITH EACH OTHER. And, that's good for us users.

Bottomline is... as I've said a lot of times in the past, everything boils down to personal preference.

So guys, keep those beautiful photos coming!!!

If your a paparazzi you would go for canon but if your a pro I would go for D2X as primary and D200 for secondary. Budget wise. D200 and D70.

I think D80 is a wrong backup for D200 because of different memory cards.

If money no object I'd go for 2 D200. hehehe

If not for the different memory card sizes, then it's alright, right? But then, the D80 is not a D200. ;-)

I just came from Louie's studio yesterday to have my cam cleaned and it just dawned on me that changing lenses can really be a pain. Hayyyyyyyyyyyy... now, I'm dreaming of a 2nd body. Yes, I know, GAS again. Okay, I'll continue praying.

haha... Dindin nice thoughts here....but then again why not try the Olympus brand! hahaha...Few and the Brave! ;-)

haha... Dindin nice thoughts here....but then again why not try the Olympus brand! hahaha...Few and the Brave! ;-)

I recommended the 300 kit to my friend months back. It was about P52k with 12 months 0% interest. Not the cheapest but for a hulugan solution it was workable. He got the unit and was very happy.

If I were a hobbyiest, a pentax or oly would be in the lineup of selections as well as the canon and nikon. But if I shoot a lot, and if I was a semi-pro (w/c I am) or a full time pro, I'd think seriously about getting an OLY or Pentax. Not that they are bad cameras, but if you shoot a lot, typically 15,000 or higher shots a year, better get the a canon or nikon.

Support is very important, and the more you use a gear, the more the chance it will break down. best to go with a company that is not just good at selling but also with helping you fix problems. Oly is ok because Axis Global has good support. I don't know how Pentax will do with Sanly as it's parent here.

to din-din:
When you shoot a lot, you need a brand that has good local support. As a canon dslr user, we have seen the relatively good support of canon here. Columbia was simply terrible. The horror stories was all over the place. Of course, they are under new stewardship now, so I'd wait to see how it pans out through time.

You were lucky not to have problems, but when you do in those times, I'm sure you would be frustrated.

As for a 2nd body. Yes, if you shoot weddings or events, getting a 2nd body is not just for backups, but also for use where one body has the mid-to-long lens and the other the wide angle lens. Very practical and usable. You will not miss so many shots because you were switching lenses. Last Friday, I shot a wedding with one body and some primes. Really tough. Just like old times. It was a pain switching. Even dropped the 28-105 on the grass from the table. I'm sure, it limited my options a bit. Had I a 2nd body

Am waiting for Feb to see what Canon has to offer so I will wait to get that 2nd body. So, right now, I have to learn to change lenses quickly and use the one on the body if I have no time to switch.:(


In time a dslr would cost about P25k for a kit brand new. 2nd hand probably 15-20k. When that time comes, it would be practical for me to get a nikon body and lens just to live on the other side of the fence. OTOH, nikon shooters can pick up a used 350d or 300d and see how the other side goes.

I agree with you though, in terms of ergonomics, nikon is better. But I wouldn't feel bad about my 20d with respect to the 200d or d80 because it is really a see-saw battle in terms of bodies. By Feb 2007, Canon would trump these 2 bodies again, then nikon or pentax or some other cameras would do the same.

The best approach is to look at the lens lineup and the whole thing as a system. Bodies come and go. Lenses don't. Also, the support is important. If the company behind it will leave you high and dry, then even if it is just a 30k dslr, it's a 30k paperweight. And so far, nikon and canon has the track record on durability, so I'd wait to see what pentax or sony or oly can do. Well, Oly has proven itself, but my beef with it is high ISO noise.

There's also the fact, that if you go, say a sony or pentax, better be sure that you can live with higher cost of accessories or even the availability of it. If you need some TCs or specialty stuff, you might find it harder for the less popular brands. So, that's another thought you must consider.

There's also the fact, that if you have lots of friends or relatives who have the same brand, it would be easy to borrow, or even rent one, if you need some lenses or gear you don't have. If I need a 24-70L, I have friends who has those lens. So, with a 17-40L. If they need a 100-400L, I have that lens. Or if they need a 50-200L. So, you don't have to own some stuff, but you can borrow or rent it from them without you having to buy one yourself. Of course, if you use their lenses often, then it's best to save up and buy that lens eventually. :Grin:


But to me, they are just tools. Get the one you think is best for your needs and temperament.

ganda nito ha.

may opinion for bzness wise? kahit anong ipagamit ng sponsor. the important is makukuha ko ang aking action shots ng maayos.

kung personal na gamit e i started with nikon. so i'll stick with nikon for now kasi nagagamit ko sya sa film slrs. :-) may backwards compatibility sila kasi kaya ayos din. PIXEL wise? pag kailangan ko ng malaking photos e i use the Nikon F5 with slide films and scan them with the Nikon scanner. eh di digital na uli. :-)

@Mel

I'm lucky to have access to HK Nikon Service. ;-) And of course now, Columbia Digital. so much in store for Nikon users.

Nice insights, Mel. I wonder what's in store this year for Canon and Nikon. I'm sure it's going to be another line of wonderful bodies and lenses.

Now, back to shooting and praying...

if i were a pro id wish fuji would bring out their s5 pro with a canon mount hehehe......the camera is real expensive but if my gigs would pay for it then its not a problem. The extended dynamic range can be magical. Although we still need to see some reviews on real world performance.

If you guys would choose between having Nikon D200 as primary cam and Nikon D80 as secondary AGAINST Canon 5D as primary and 30D/400D as secondary which would you choose. Thank You


I just wonder with all the debates , infos, comments, suggestions.... what did you finally got??????::)

I really prefer the feel of Nikon! I recently held a D40... size reminds me of the 350D but it still had a better feel! :Grin:

i agree. talo nga canon sa feel (except for 1D). d200 feels more of a camera than 30d

i agree. talo nga canon sa feel (except for 1D). d200 feels more of a camera than 30d

though its really built like a tank, the d200 is actually not much heavier than the 30D. it actually feels lighter! i dunno. thats what i felt when i handled dindin's d200 with the 12-24 last night. very sexy....the camera, maam din....hehehe....

@jay

i thought, for a second there, na ako yung sexy... hahahahah... hmmmm...

pero biases aside, gwapo ang d200, diba? (in english, biases aside, the d200 looks really fanstastic, right?)

It sure does, got to hold yours and one unit in the U.S.. More robust feeling despite both having a magnesium frame.... Maybe it's the weather sealing? :D

Hey guys after reading all ur comments/threads of which is a better brand....to a newbies like me... I think, I got more confused of which brand to buy? ( it reminds of the heydays of Toyota vs. Crispa!!!:Scared: ). Why dont we settle for a win-win solution. Nikonians will have a Canon back-up and Canonites will have a Nikon back-up ( tama ba ang term ko?) or vice versa. he...he..he. Kiddin aside Im enjoying all ur threads and Im learning a lot from you. Thank you guys:)

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treat ur camera as a gun...always around...always loaded and ready to shoot:Shock:

As the Marines says:
You can have my wife;
My dog...maybe;
My gun...NEVER!!!!

@jay

i thought, for a second there, na ako yung sexy... hahahahah... hmmmm...

pero biases aside, gwapo ang d200, diba? (in english, biases aside, the d200 looks really fanstastic, right?)

yup, too sexy. :)

for me i prefer those long lense's of canon :Grin:

Oh wow, having dual systems would really be way too expensive...

Hey guys after reading all ur comments/threads of which is a better brand....to a newbies like me... I think, I got more confused of which brand to buy? ( it reminds of the heydays of Toyota vs. Crispa!!!:Scared: ). Why dont we settle for a win-win solution. Nikonians will have a Canon back-up and Canonites will have a Nikon back-up ( tama ba ang term ko?) or vice versa. he...he..he. Kiddin aside Im enjoying all ur threads and Im learning a lot from you. Thank you guys:)

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treat ur camera as a gun...always around...always loaded and ready to shoot:Shock:

As the Marines says:
You can have my wife;
My dog...maybe;
My gun...NEVER!!!!

It sure does, got to hold yours and one unit in the U.S.. More robust feeling despite both having a magnesium frame.... Maybe it's the weather sealing? :D

Nah... the Nikon has always had a different feel from the Canon's. Even if you compare the D70 vs 350D and the D70 doesn't have a magnesium body. :Grin:

i agree. talo nga canon sa feel (except for 1D). d200 feels more of a camera than 30d

yehey. im not the only one who feels that!:Grin:

Hey guys after reading all ur comments/threads of which is a better brand....to a newbies like me... I think, I got more confused of which brand to buy? ( it reminds of the heydays of Toyota vs. Crispa!!!:Scared: ). Why dont we settle for a win-win solution. Nikonians will have a Canon back-up and Canonites will have a Nikon back-up ( tama ba ang term ko?) or vice versa. he...he..he. Kiddin aside Im enjoying all ur threads and Im learning a lot from you. Thank you guys:)
covered a wedding last weekend using my mentor's (john mateos ong) d2x + 17-55 2.8 and my 30d + 70-200 IS.. man what a combo the two made!! panalong panalo! i'll probably go with the combo if i have the money! haha.

by the way i was really impressed with the performance of nikon through the d2x. by d80 really disappointed me! hindi ba it's because d2x is the high end of nikon? hehe

@jay

i thought, for a second there, na ako yung sexy... hahahahah... hmmmm...

pero biases aside, gwapo ang d200, diba? (in english, biases aside, the d200 looks really fanstastic, right?)

i agree. d200's one sexy camera!

@jay

yup! the d200 with it's kit lens is much lighter than a 30D with a 24-70 L (both with grips ah). i dunno lang how heavy the the d200 is with a 17-55 2.8. might be the same lang siguro? hehe :)

i think the d200 with the 28-70 weighs just the same as the 30d with 24-70.

@jay

i thought, for a second there, na ako yung sexy... hahahahah... hmmmm...

pero biases aside, gwapo ang d200, diba? (in english, biases aside, the d200 looks really fanstastic, right?)
oh yeah...feels like a real wom...errr.....camera to me too. feels like my hands and fingers were made just for them.....

but my eyes wants those canon lenses :Scared:

@Glenn

You can always have dual systems!!! ;-)

@Glenn

You can always have dual systems!!! ;-)

ma'am...i was selling my soul to the devil so i can go dual.:Grin: but he rejected my offer saying that my soul is not even enough to buy a 12 shots disposable camera :(

@Glenn

Really?

Dual system would be a good idea, Mac has done it why can't we, hehehe. just my 2cents

Nikon vs Canon...

Last Sunday i had a wedding shoot, using my Canon 20D+24-70(current system) and D200+17-55 (a friend lend to me)... After a 12 hrs shoot i fell in love with D200, grrrrr ok I’m in the same dilemma way way back when i was choosing Canon or Nikon system... Looking at the advantages and disadvantages. Nikon performed well in flash(SB800) ,metering and also the weight issue haha, but the bad thing is too much grain in iso 800 above.. Canon on the other hand performed well in low light situation, 24-70 focused real fast and smooth images in 800-1600 iso. but the bad thing WEIGHT issue... And now I'm considering Nikon .. hay ohh btw 2 of my friends(Nikon Users) are convincing me to Shift system... Christ I’m confused... HELP?

Nikon vs Canon...

Last Sunday i had a wedding shoot, using my Canon 20D+24-70(current system) and D200+17-55 (a friend lend to me)... After a 12 hrs shoot i fell in love with D200, grrrrr ok I’m in the same dilemma way way back when i was choosing Canon or Nikon system... Looking at the advantages and disadvantages. Nikon performed well in flash(SB800) ,metering and also the weight issue haha, but the bad thing is too much grain in iso 800 above.. Canon on the other hand performed well in low light situation, 24-70 focused real fast and smooth images in 800-1600 iso. but the bad thing WEIGHT issue... And now I'm considering Nikon .. hay ohh btw 2 of my friends(Nikon Users) are convincing me to Shift system... Christ I’m confused... HELP?

Resistance is futile Immanuel! Give in to the Dark Side! :Grin:

Nikon vs Canon...

Last Sunday i had a wedding shoot, using my Canon 20D+24-70(current system) and D200+17-55 (a friend lend to me)... After a 12 hrs shoot i fell in love with D200, grrrrr ok I’m in the same dilemma way way back when i was choosing Canon or Nikon system... Looking at the advantages and disadvantages. Nikon performed well in flash(SB800) ,metering and also the weight issue haha, but the bad thing is too much grain in iso 800 above.. Canon on the other hand performed well in low light situation, 24-70 focused real fast and smooth images in 800-1600 iso. but the bad thing WEIGHT issue... And now I'm considering Nikon .. hay ohh btw 2 of my friends(Nikon Users) are convincing me to Shift system... Christ I’m confused... HELP?

... another joining the Dark Side soon? :Grin:

yepee! just got my d200. darkside na rin ba ako? :Grin:

Wedding is such an event that flash is used majority of times, so hands down the brand with the better flash system.

P.S. It doesn't start with the letter C

Wedding is such an event that flash is used majority of times, so hands down the brand with the better flash system.

P.S. It doesn't start with the letter C

since we're talking about flash systems, kung di nagsa-start with letter C, which stands for CLS, eh di TTL ibig nyong sabihin mr. Go. :Grin: joke! :D

para di ma-OT. as much as possible ayoko maging balimbing so stick muna ako sa Canon. pero oras na "traydurin" ako ng camera ko i'll definitely try being on the dark side. hehehehe. :D

if you track my previous posts, after months and months of comparing, i decided to go canon once i graduate from P&S to a DSLR. i love canon. my P&S is a canon, i love their array of fast lenses, clean high ISO performance, white body + the red ring to cap it all up.

last saturday, i was able to feel both systems when i attended a photo-ops organized by fpc and wooah. i was then seduced by the dark side. the feel of the D70s was just right. im impressed with its viewfinder, its bright and wide... me likey! the D50 and D70s felt more comfortable in my hand comparing it to the 350D or even the 30D. its like it was made to fit my hand.. :)

now my path is inclined to go nikon (a D80) because of the overall feel and experience. but will i really feel the loss of the clean high ISO or bulb shots canon is infamous for?

same thing here with me...was saving for a 400d but ended up with a D 40. I think there must be really something "dark" about the dark side. Seriously speaking I like the ergos & d viewfinder of theD 40... is exceedignly bright. I also like the NR and high ISO features...can live w/out it...he...he...he:)

oh man... this is an never-ever-ending discussions... read the whole thread from 1st to the last page (95 replies), took me like almost an hour just to get at the end of it, who won?! I guess all of us are winners no matter what system we have (Canon/Nikon or vise versa), all I can say is that be happy on what you have and be glad that you own at least one, for some people who's been wanting to get one can't afford coz of its high price... that why instead of getting an D-SLR they ended up getting a P&S or even nothing at all. Just my .02 cent on this ;)

I shoot Nikon. 5D is a full frame(35mm) i would consider trying one...

Hay! buti pa Voltez V may katapusan...eto C vs N...wala.:(

Hay! buti pa Voltez V may katapusan...eto C vs N...wala.:(

kaya we should all VOLT IN hehehe,, sorry corny joke:D

If it were not for the competition of Canon and Nikon, the manufacturers wouldnt keep on improving their cameras. This is good for us consumers, the cameras keep getting better and cheaper for both brands.

oh man... this is an never-ever-ending discussions... read the whole thread from 1st to the last page (95 replies), took me like almost an hour just to get at the end of it, who won?! I guess all of us are winners no matter what system we have (Canon/Nikon or vise versa), all I can say is that be happy on what you have and be glad that you own at least one, for some people who's been wanting to get one can't afford coz of its high price... that why instead of getting an D-SLR they ended up getting a P&S or even nothing at all. Just my .02 cent on this ;)

that is very true sir! i truly agree.. canon and nikon are both producers of good dslr!:)

December to february 10, I watched 7 wedding, 5 of the wedding photographer uses Nikon, 1 use canon, and 1 use a film camera, why?-I don't know, I don't have a DSLR yet