View Full Version : Nikon D200 with Firmware v2.0


Rolando Avecilla
10-05-2006, 12:22 PM
Well, I have decided to update mine. It went smooth and as expected.

I have no software for the image authentication and I can't afford WT3 so those major updates are out of the question for me to test.

However, the I tested for banding (Here we go again.). Well, it was addressed but not elimitaed. I am talking about the short banding here.

Let me explain to those who are concerned that this is not something that turns off. I look at this as a camera limitation. And if you know the limitation, you can always avoid it.

Like I said, it was addressed. I used to have banding in ISO other than 100. Now, I tested below ISO 160 and there is no banding. Look at the images below:


BAND FREE ISO
ISO 100
http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/8893/rha5985pm1.jpg

100% Crop
http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/1408/rha5985100cropem9.jpg


ISO 125
http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/2215/rha5986ve4.jpg

100% Crop
http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/6177/rha5986100cropad6.jpg

Continued...

Rolando Avecilla
10-05-2006, 12:23 PM
BANDING STARTS
ISO 160
http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/5554/rha5990fx1.jpg
100% Crop
http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/8242/rha5990100cropey0.jpg


ISO 200
http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/6461/rha5991ms2.jpg
100% Crop
http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/3272/rha5991100cropfp4.jpg

Continued...

Rolando Avecilla
10-05-2006, 12:24 PM
ISO 400
http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/5617/rha5992as1.jpg

100% Crop
http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/6474/rha5992100cropyq2.jpg


ISO 800
http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/4184/rha5993ar4.jpg

100% Crop
http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/1548/rha5993100cropho6.jpg

Continued...

Rolando Avecilla
10-05-2006, 12:24 PM
As I have said, banding is not an issue. And it will not be on our regular shots. You even have to setup a condition to see it. Below are sample shots on how I avoid conditions that will manifest a banding.

On the same scene, I can choose to shoot at ISO 100 which is banding FREE and just use flash to get my intended exposure:
http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/9311/rha6006mh8.jpg

100% Crop
http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/8641/rha6006100cropap4.jpg

Available light is required, I can even shoot at ISO 800. Armed with the knowledge that this particular scene will show banding at ISO 800, I played with my composition to overcome banding.
http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/5894/rha6008qw7.jpg

100% Crop
http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/4216/rha6008100cropkb9.jpg


Aside from the minor update as far as my expectation is concerned, all in all, it is still a hell of a camera in it's class.
Know your camera, master its limits and work around it. It will be guaranteed that you will be more productive than whe you are complaining.

- THE END -

Earl Gonzalez
10-05-2006, 12:59 PM
I'm sure your tests Bro. will prove useful indeed to concerned parties and to those who are looking at owning this camera. :) Cheers.

Carlo R. Lopez
10-05-2006, 01:15 PM
i havent even tested my d200 for banding

Earl Gonzalez
10-05-2006, 01:30 PM
i havent even tested my d200 for banding

Don't bother with it Carlo... It's just an OC thing... It will be invisible in print anyway. :Grin:

Carlo R. Lopez
10-05-2006, 01:33 PM
Don't bother with it Carlo... It's just an OC thing... It will be invisible in print anyway. :Grin:

hehe i happen to be oc but i wont pay attention to this one

Rolando Avecilla
10-05-2006, 01:33 PM
Carlo, you do not have to test it. I twill come in the rigth situation. Until then, shoot!

Earl, on the contrary, it will in some cases. I have an 8 x 10 portrait printed, the banding is visible if you look at it at arm lenght. But if you are staring at for 3 feet or so, it is not noticeable.

Don't bother with it Carlo... It's just an OC thing... It will be invisible in print anyway. :Grin:

Earl Gonzalez
10-05-2006, 02:05 PM
Carlo, you do not have to test it. I twill come in the rigth situation. Until then, shoot!

Earl, on the contrary, it will in some cases. I have an 8 x 10 portrait printed, the banding is visible if you look at it at arm lenght. But if you are staring at for 3 feet or so, it is not noticeable.

Ouch Rolando, really? From what I've heard... actually there are banding types as well... What type or level shows on print ba? What banding type does your D200 have?

Rolando Avecilla
10-05-2006, 02:28 PM
Earl, Every Nikon D200 has the short banding/Stripping. According to them, it is within specs. I tend to agree. It is just like the blooming of D70 when shooting a very strong source of light like the sun. so why should you shoot the sun directly? :D

Actually only two.. long and the short. The long one will need to get fixed. The long banding runs from top to bottom of the photo and requires less effort to produce it. :D

Earl Gonzalez
10-05-2006, 07:48 PM
Earl, Every Nikon D200 has the short banding/Stripping. According to them, it is within specs. I tend to agree. It is just like the blooming of D70 when shooting a very strong source of light like the sun. so why should you shoot the sun directly? :D

Actually only two.. long and the short. The long one will need to get fixed. The long banding runs from top to bottom of the photo and requires less effort to produce it. :D

So it's a given inherent sensor based limitation... :) Must be interesting what the S5pro would be like... just my inner monologue... :Grin:

Rolando Avecilla
10-06-2006, 09:55 AM
You can say this.. unless Nikon comes up with something to totally eliminate this banding without pulling the arms and legs of the affected owners. Afterall, we bought these early cameras at much higher price. :D

So it's a given inherent sensor based limitation... :) Must be interesting what the S5pro would be like... just my inner monologue... :Grin:

zandy_marantal
10-06-2006, 10:13 AM
So it's a given inherent sensor based limitation... :) Must be interesting what the S5pro would be like... just my inner monologue... :Grin:
From what I've read, it's because of the high-speed 4 channel readout inherent on the D200. The Alpha and D80 uses the same Sony sensor but doesn't exhibit this behavior.

Earl Gonzalez
10-06-2006, 10:19 AM
From what I've read, it's because of the high-speed 4 channel readout inherent on the D200. The Alpha and D80 uses the same Sony sensor but doesn't exhibit this behavior.

Same as the D2X. 4 channel readout as well however none of the banding...

Fherdy Tiongson
10-06-2006, 10:28 AM
earl means to say that your D2X is CMOS sensor which doesnt encountered the banding issue???

i have tried my D200 shooting in a strong light with heavy shadow. I saws it with my two eyes and also my friend they saw the vertical banding.

but when i went to the dealer here and show the banding are missed and we print it on A4 doesnt saw anything,

until now i didnt encountered the problem. i think photoshop must be plug with nikon software??? especially my mac G4 are so sensitive can saw all details.

i hope will not see banding on my D200 on future!!!

im smiling with condition now

Regards

FherD

Same as the D2X. 4 channel readout as well however none of the banding...

Rolando Avecilla
10-06-2006, 11:34 AM
I am not sure but Nikon commissions Sony to build their sensors but I think the design is by Nikon. If that is the case, Sony can't just use the sensor without Nikon's concent... I don't know.

I also read somewhere that the sensor of D80 is different from D200. While both of them are 10MP, D80 has 10.8MP sensor photo detectors and D200 has 10.9. Thus, not the same sensor.

Much as different from D2X as D2X uses CMOS. Nikon tried 4 channel readout with D200 but they used a CCD. Unless they address this issue, I am not sure if they will make another camera which uses 4 channel readout using a CCD.

:D

From what I've read, it's because of the high-speed 4 channel readout inherent on the D200. The Alpha and D80 uses the same Sony sensor but doesn't exhibit this behavior.

Earl Gonzalez
10-06-2006, 11:37 AM
Much as different from D2X as D2X uses CMOS. Nikon tried 4 channel readout with D200 but they used a CCD. Unless they address this issue, I am not sure if they will make another camera which uses 4 channel readout using a CCD.

:D

Nice point here Rolando. :Grin: Maybe it's not compatible then using a CCD.

Rolando Avecilla
10-06-2006, 11:44 AM
If you have to zoom into 100% to see it, chances are, it won't show on your prints. That is why I am not bothered by this at all. But knwing it's there makes me cautious with my exposure... which is a good thing. :D

earl means to say that your D2X is CMOS sensor which doesnt encountered the banding issue???

i have tried my D200 shooting in a strong light with heavy shadow. I saws it with my two eyes and also my friend they saw the vertical banding.



but when i went to the dealer here and show the banding are missed and we print it on A4 doesnt saw anything,

until now i didnt encountered the problem. i think photoshop must be plug with nikon software??? especially my mac G4 are so sensitive can saw all details.

i hope will not see banding on my D200 on future!!!

im smiling with condition now

Regards

FherD