hi guys, i would just like to get opinions regarding the canon 30D, 20D and 350D.
i'm a happy owner of a 350D but i've been thinking if i should switch to 30D. i just came from hidalgo earlier today, 30D's price range was 60-66k for the body only.
350D's at 39k with the kit.

i was just wondering what makes the 30D stand out besides the fact that it's the latest among the three? i heard from people (i've read some reviews as well) that it's advantages from the 20D and 350D are not that far off. yes, it has a more robust body; bigger LCD at 2.5; 9-point AF points; new features and it's faster at 5fps. but those changes are quite minor raw whe compared even to the 350D. even the megapixels are almost the same. the biggest difference for me is the shutter actuations (they say 20D and 30D have 100,000+ compared to 350D's 50,000+). but they also say that you could have it fixed for less than 10 gran? (around 4k daw) not that bad if you're considering the around-20k++ difference in terms of price tag.


most of these info i just heard from people who sell and some users as well.

so my problem is... should i make the switch? or should i hold on to my hard-saved allowance money and stay with the 350D until something with a "better" upgrade comes along? well you guys may find this post a bit off (what i mean is parang ang laki ng problema ko..:Thinking:) but forgive me for i'm still quite the newbie and i look upto you guys since most of you here are experts and professionals in the field. i would love to hear from you guys. i believe that a lot of you have adequate knowledge regarding this. i'm just a beginner with high hopes..

thanks guys!:)

I am certain the 30D has the least noise at higher ISO than any of the other models you list. Reports have it practically noise free at ISO 800. If you print your images, this wil be of utmost importance to you. I say go for the 30D or

.......wait for Photokina this coming September. This is the most important and largest photography show in the world. Odds are in favor of Canon launching new models there which will probably mean a December release here. Will they replace the 350D? Most likely.

hold on to your money. 350D is an excellent camera. buy the 30D if you need spot metering, picture styles.

Hi.
If I were you, I would work with what I have first. Improve my craft and later on down the road when you get to realize what your "needs" are instead of your "wants" then you can decide whether you need to upgrade to a 30d, 5d or a Mark 3 perhaps? Also, if I were you, I would prioritize on investing on the best lenses you can afford. For me image quality is more about the lens than the body. ( although ideally best body and best lens is the best cmbination)
Good luck!

thanks ma'am pilar and sir nino! your feedback really helped.. appreciate it :)

hi guys, i would just like to get opinions regarding the canon 30D, 20D and 350D.
i'm a happy owner of a 350D but i've been thinking if i should switch to 30D. i just came from hidalgo earlier today, 30D's price range was 60-66k for the body only.
350D's at 39k with the kit.

i was just wondering what makes the 30D stand out besides the fact that it's the latest among the three? i heard from people (i've read some reviews as well) that it's advantages from the 20D and 350D are not that far off. yes, it has a more robust body; bigger LCD at 2.5; 9-point AF points; new features and it's faster at 5fps. but those changes are quite minor raw whe compared even to the 350D. even the megapixels are almost the same. the biggest difference for me is the shutter actuations (they say 20D and 30D have 100,000+ compared to 350D's 50,000+). but they also say that you could have it fixed for less than 10 gran? (around 4k daw) not that bad if you're considering the around-20k++ difference in terms of price tag.


most of these info i just heard from people who sell and some users as well.

so my problem is... should i make the switch? or should i hold on to my hard-saved allowance money and stay with the 350D until something with a "better" upgrade comes along? well you guys may find this post a bit off (what i mean is parang ang laki ng problema ko..:Thinking:) but forgive me for i'm still quite the newbie and i look upto you guys since most of you here are experts and professionals in the field. i would love to hear from you guys. i believe that a lot of you have adequate knowledge regarding this. i'm just a beginner with high hopes..

thanks guys!:)

In my opinion, if you are not using your DSLR for business (shooting for weddings, news, etc...) just hold-on to your 350D.:Dum:

Invest on L lenses instead of trying to catch up with the bodies. Bodies depreciate good lenses dont.

Cheers!

i'd like to throw in this question....

should i then upgrade to a 350d since i'm still usng a 300d?

purely a hobbyist...thanks a lot!

i'd like to throw in this question....

should i then upgrade to a 350d since i'm still usng a 300d?

purely a hobbyist...thanks a lot!

hochi, happy to find you here. Are you having a problem with the 300d? Otherwise I think it's best to master what you've got. The 300d is a very capable camera.

hochi, happy to find you here. Are you having a problem with the 300d? Otherwise I think it's best to master what you've got. The 300d is a very capable camera.

hi bert! no problems with the 300d, just thinking that i've been passed on already...but i love it - it was actually a gift so no money off my wallet :Grin:

hi there. i am in the market for a new camera. Im a first timer for dslr but im thinking of going into portrait photography for my friends and family...its a business startup..

i wanted to get a nikon d70s but people kept swaying me over to canon saying that the picture quality at high isos is enough to sway me to go canon. well, lets just say that they are making me think.

I wanted to get the d70s because its relatively cheap, it has manual controls that would let me play and understand the dynamics of the slr on a higher level (you can say it has room for me to grow into). On a business standpoint this is much better (i think the d70s takes good enough pictures for a portrait studio) specially since studios are always lighted and i dont need to go over 200 iso. BUT!

i like taking night shots, the lights and the buildings are all nice pictures to get and i know the d70 might have trouble with that. Plus the moire i think is an anoyance, i wouldnt wanna go into CS2 just to try and remove moire.

so artistically, my head is saying to get the 30d or find a cheap 20d. but my business sense is telling me to get the d70s because its cheaper and would fit the business needs enough, heck even the travel needs if you think about it. Also, i am kinda lusting for the walkaround lens of nikon (18-200 VR) people are just raving about it. I like the fact that this 1 lens can do so much i dont think canon has 1 of those now right?

HELP ME!!!!! (help....help...help - drowning out effect there)

Your choices are too near in terms of capability so it's really a toin coss.

Anybody who says one brand is better is a fanboy. They are both great. It's only if you have already invested in either company's lenses that will make the choice easier.

If you buy brand X, there's a feature that only brand Y can do and vice versa.

As to the cost, here's where we can base arguments on real facts and figures.

Nikon DSLRs offer better value for money. Canon lenses are generally cheaper than their Nikkor equivalents in terms of similar focal ranges & apertures.

It's true the 18-200 VR is a great superzoom that Canon does not have a direct competitor for. If you can live off this 1 lens, then I guess your choice has been made clearer for you.

Whatever you choose, just be assured you are buying into companies which have good quality for personal and professional use.

i thought the 30d and the 20d had more features than the d70s?

if it is true that canon lenses are cheaper than the nikon ones for the same length and aperture, then wouldnt it be wiser to go canon simply because the lenses stay with you longer than the body?

also, is it true that canon changes their lens mount after a decade, coz if thye do then that really sucks...

My wife actually has a d50 and she got her dad's 2 lensen a 28-105 and a 70-210 (this has fungus so we cant use it yet). so we really arent tied to nikon yet due to lenses.

is there a canon shop that has a 30d in alabang or makati, i think i should handle the thing and see if i like the feel.....but darn thats double the price of a d70s....my cheap side is arguing with my side trying to justify the 30d due to a) high iso noise

if the d70s really does not have a problem with high iso noise for concerts and night shots then its a totally different ballgame.

i thought the 30d and the 20d had more features than the d70s?

Canon might have a feature not available in the D70s, but it's also true the 30d can't do something the D70s can (example: Nikon CLS). It's all even stevens.

if it is true that canon lenses are cheaper than the nikon ones for the same length and aperture, then wouldnt it be wiser to go canon simply because the lenses stay with you longer than the body?


True. Bodies will come and go due to obsolence that typically follows all electronics.

also, is it true that canon changes their lens mount after a decade, coz if thye do then that really sucks..

Time will tell. They changed it once. I'm not a mind reader so it's all speculative in my view.

My wife actually has a d50 and she got her dad's 2 lensen a 28-105 and a 70-210 (this has fungus so we cant use it yet). so we really arent tied to nikon yet due to lenses.


Then you also realize how pricey it is to maintain to incompatible systems. I say just avoid it and purchase the 18-200. You'll end up getting the images whatever camera you choose, it's how you use it that will determine how good you become.

is there a canon shop that has a 30d in alabang or makati, i think i should handle the thing and see if i like the feel.....but darn thats double the price of a d70s....my cheap side is arguing with my side trying to justify the 30d due to a) high iso noise


Canon DZone is in Glorietta 3.

I think analysis paralysis is also a concern. I have a 30D and I want a D200 as well. The grass is always greener on the other side. Noise can to an extent be controlled using shorter exposure and even with post processing software.

if the d70s really does not have a problem with high iso noise for concerts and night shots then its a totally different ballgame.

It's not a problem. It's just higher than the Canon 30D your pining for. I can also confuse you further by telling you Nikon has better Color representation which again evens the playing field.

To summarize, don't agonize over the choice. ANY choice you will make is a good one.

thanks dave. and i do know the color representation of the nikon is a tad bit better. =)

thanks again

oh sorry to chime in again dave. but do you have friends who complain about moire with the d70s like i said its a big annoyance.

ive actually convinced myself with your help and others hehe that the iso issue really isnt a biggie, but moire? any thoughts?

i wish photokina was done already so id have a better view of whats upcoming...thanks again

I'm sorry but I don't want to answer this as I do not think I am the person to ask and this is the wrong forum.

I guess you should take your question now to the Nikon forum and get their side from Nikon users who have more experience than I do.

Good Luck.

i'd like to throw in this question....

should i then upgrade to a 350d since i'm still usng a 300d?

purely a hobbyist...thanks a lot!

I would say yes please do upgrade to 350D! Why? For a lot of reasons even if you are purely a hobbyist, you won't regret it. ;)

Perhaps we shouldn't be concerned about this point so much. Even if Canon introduced a new lens mount today, the sheer number of EF lens/bodies/accessories currently available (new and used) means we'll have lots of stock for ages. :Grin:

Anyways (from Wikipedia and the Canon Camera Museum), Canon lens generations:

S 1951 - 1963
R 1959 - 1963
FL 1964 - 1972
FD 1971 - 1987
EF 1987 - today


also, is it true that canon changes their lens mount after a decade, coz if thye do then that really sucks...

Hi John,

I use both the 20D and 350D and I see no difference in image quality. I prefer the 20D when I need 5 fps and a bit better AI servo performance at active subjects.

On very long shots (800 mm to 1600 mm), I actually prefer the 350D because it has less mirror slap than my 20D or 1dm2. I've not considered upgrading my 20D to 30D because the improvements (larger LCD, pic styles, spot metering, intermediate ISO, etc.) are not enough for me.

So to answer your question, I'd recommend the 20D/30D if you're now missing some shots because of the limited feature set of the 350D, and you believe you can nail these shots with the 20D/30D. Otherwise, I suggest you invest your extra funds in better glass.

Romy


hi guys, i would just like to get opinions regarding the canon 30D, 20D and 350D.
i'm a happy owner of a 350D but i've been thinking if i should switch to 30D. i just came from hidalgo earlier today, 30D's price range was 60-66k for the body only.
350D's at 39k with the kit.

i was just wondering what makes the 30D stand out besides the fact that it's the latest among the three? i heard from people (i've read some reviews as well) that it's advantages from the 20D and 350D are not that far off. yes, it has a more robust body; bigger LCD at 2.5; 9-point AF points; new features and it's faster at 5fps. but those changes are quite minor raw whe compared even to the 350D. even the megapixels are almost the same. the biggest difference for me is the shutter actuations (they say 20D and 30D have 100,000+ compared to 350D's 50,000+). but they also say that you could have it fixed for less than 10 gran? (around 4k daw) not that bad if you're considering the around-20k++ difference in terms of price tag.


most of these info i just heard from people who sell and some users as well.

so my problem is... should i make the switch? or should i hold on to my hard-saved allowance money and stay with the 350D until something with a "better" upgrade comes along? well you guys may find this post a bit off (what i mean is parang ang laki ng problema ko..:Thinking:) but forgive me for i'm still quite the newbie and i look upto you guys since most of you here are experts and professionals in the field. i would love to hear from you guys. i believe that a lot of you have adequate knowledge regarding this. i'm just a beginner with high hopes..

thanks guys!:)

hi guys, i would just like to get opinions regarding the canon 30D, 20D and 350D.
i'm a happy owner of a 350D but i've been thinking if i should switch to 30D. i just came from hidalgo earlier today, 30D's price range was 60-66k for the body only.
350D's at 39k with the kit.


hmmm...saan yung 60k na body po sir john? which shop?

@john
I agree, not unless there is something you find lacking or limiting with the 350D, better to invest in better glass. :)

@christopher
It doesn't matter which you get, Canon or Nikon, either way you''ll be getting a great tool. In the end, doesn't matter what other people say, it's what you prefer. Each brand/model has its own advantages/disadvantages, if you still can't decide by looking at the features, then maybe best to decide on which you prefer holding. Some people prefer the 350D because of its size while some people find it too small. It's all about what's best for you. :)

thanks miss rosalie, but i think im just gonna bite the bullet and seriously look at that 30d now.

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if the d70s really does not have a problem with high iso noise for concerts and night shots then its a totally different ballgame.


May I ask a question as well re this?:Scared:

If I were to take pics inside an arena or coliseum, ex, a boxing match... What should my ISO be on? As well as Aperture etc.

Will greatly appreciate your answers.

im a newb so dont believe me too much hahaha...


but ill try at 400 iso first and use a fast lens like a 2.8, or kung mayaman ka at medyo malapit ka sa action baa pwed eyung 85mm na 1.2 =)

if the shots still come out too dark then try 800 iso.

oh and the shutter speed (gurus please correct me here as im not sure)

to stop the action i think you need a fast shutter speed, im not too sure if 60 is fats enough i think you need it as fast as 1/500 or 1/250

im a newb so dont believe me too much hahaha...


but ill try at 400 iso first and use a fast lens like a 2.8, or kung mayaman ka at medyo malapit ka sa action baa pwed eyung 85mm na 1.2 =)

if the shots still come out too dark then try 800 iso.

oh and the shutter speed (gurus please correct me here as im not sure)

to stop the action i think you need a fast shutter speed, im not too sure if 60 is fats enough i think you need it as fast as 1/500 or 1/250


No Problem Chris :) Will try to play around there, above and below. I work in Araneta Center, and I volunteered to take pics for the company, for the Paquiao Event this Sunday, July 2. At least I already have an idea on which settings to start with during the earlier fights and adjust as to how actual lighting will be. Thanks Chris! :Grin:

I work in Araneta Center, and I volunteered to take pics for the company, for the Paquiao Event this Sunday, July 2. At least I already have an idea on which settings to start with during the earlier fights and adjust as to how actual lighting will be. :Grin:

Lucky you!!! So many people would love to be in your shoes. :Grin:

@anton...

what lenses do you have? we can start with what your gear can do...

Will be using a D100 with either a nikkor 24-85mm 1:3.5-4.5 or a nikkor 70-300 1:4-5.6 those are the only lenses I have.

I still don't know how close or how far I will be...

Will be using a D100 with either a nikkor 24-85mm 1:3.5-4.5 or a nikkor 70-300 1:4-5.6 those are the only lenses I have.

I still don't know how close or how far I will be...

Since flash will not be allowed, you'll have to shoot at maximum aperture then just up your ISO depending on available light and shutter speed needed. If you have a way of knowing where you will be staying before the fight, that will be better so you'll know which lens you'll be using so no need to bring the other lens. Have fun and share your pics. :)

Since flash will not be allowed, you'll have to shoot at maximum aperture then just up your ISO depending on available light and shutter speed needed. If you have a way of knowing where you will be staying before the fight, that will be better so you'll know which lens you'll be using so no need to bring the other lens. Have fun and share your pics. :)

Thank you Rosalie! Greatly appreciate it:)

@anton

a monopod would greatly help as well...

@anton

a monopod would greatly help as well...


Don't have 1 Dindin :(

Uhmmm, time to buy...

hi bert! no problems with the 300d, just thinking that i've been passed on already...but i love it - it was actually a gift so no money off my wallet :Grin:

i have a 350d. what i like about it is its instant operation from off to on and from shoot to shoot. there is practically no lag. it focuses quite accurately for slow moving, or static objects. in terms of iso usability iso 800 of 350d and the 30d may not really be that far (many reviews in the net says so, they might even be the same) except the 30d has iso 3200 the 350d none.

if you have not found your 300d lagging in off to on and from shoot to shoot ... stay with it as image quality is just as good.

thats whats nice with the 350d actually, the image quality is very comparable to the 30d. so if you dont have enough money, you can just get a 350d and get good glass and still feel great coz you know you didnt sacrifice IQ.

i havent read up on the IQ differences between a d50 and a d200, but i bet its the same case. dont you just love competition and technology?

Hi Guys,

If you are not using your digital SLR for business, better stick to your existing equipment and master your camera. Remember that there are local events like the Photo Congress 2006 and Photoworld Manila 2007 wherein you can buy new cameras at a lower price tag. For the time being, invest your money in the bank through investment instruments like bond fund or buy a good set of L Series lens.Remember also that digital photography is not only about cameras and lens but also about computers, memory cards and other accesories. The best time to buy a new camera is after six (6) months a new model has been released. It has already depreciated by that time. Until then. Happy Shooting.

whens the photo congress? wasnt that last feb? sorry im new to the game....

whens the photo congress? wasnt that last feb? sorry im new to the game....

Nope, that was Photoworld that was held last February. :)

oh thanks rosalie, whens the congress then? maybe i can score a nice new camera there hehehehe.

Hi Chris and Rosalie,

Photo Congress 2006 will be on October 06 - 09, 2006 at Mega Trade Hall 3, SM Megamall. For more details, you can visit - www.photocongress.com. ph. Hope you guys can also attend the Congress Seminars and Workshops as well as the Safari Photoshoot. We have a foreign guest speaker and early bird discounted rate if you register this month of July. If you are interested, just let me know so that I can send you the invitation via fax or you can register online. Until then. Best Regards and Happy Shooting.

Thanks for the info on Photo Congress, Eric. Can someone just walk in to buy stuff displayed by the exhibitors? Or do they have to register as a delegate and pay the fee?

the link is not working sir Eric (for me)

the link is not working sir Eric (for me)

its http://www.photocongress.com.ph

hmmm...saan yung 60k na body po sir john? which shop?
sorry for the late, late reply!

sa henry's hidalgo. believe it or not they gave it for that price. just recently i checked it went up to 65k body only. (i should've gotten one back then!)

to everybody:

thank you so much for taking time to reply. i guess i wasn't the only one with purchase problems regarding a body! so the verdict is i'll be getting a 30D within this week hopefully.. personally i'd rather wait for a 5D since like what most feedback said, there's not much of a difference in terms of image quality when you compare the 350D with it. yes, the 30D has a lot of features not present in the 350D but basically that's about it. i find the lack of kelvin adjustment in the 350D quite limiting as well. i'm getting the 30D since the 5D's way too expensive and the other reason that i'm passing my 350D down to my younger sister who is also pretty much getting into photography.

thanks for the feedback guys! they helped a lot!

best,

John

thanks for the reply sir john. but comeon we all know why you want that new camera hehehe. youre scratching the upgrade itch hehehehe.

good luck to you. i bought a 30d finally and its maiden voyage was during the manny librodo workshop. it was my first ever serious session taking photos.

im very new so i need to learn from a lot of the guys here.

30D is a best value...with spot metering, a large and clear LCD and a switchable 5fps/3fps...hayyyy... L lens na lang.