I've been dabbling in film again recently because of my lomos.

It's been a waiting game thus far.

I have to wait for the film I need to be in stock.

I sent over four rolls of 120 color neg and two rolls of 35mm color neg to DigiPrint a couple of days ago. I'm waiting for the developed film and film scans to be delivered to me.

I have five rolls of 120 color neg from a shoot yesterday and today that I have to also send over to DigiPrint.

I have about three rolls of 120 B&W film that has to be sent to Studio 58 for developing.

Waiting doesn't go by any quicker the more you think about the waiting :D LOL!

Cheers!

Jo Avila

Sir I'm curious how much Studio 58 charges to develop a roll of b&w film? :)

I get nervous and jumpy when waiting for my rolls being developed. Manong guard at the office and the phone are my best friends when 2 days have passed and my rolls haven't arrived yet and when I get it I forget all about working and I get all excited (but then again, when I'm waiting for them, I also forget working, sometimes :D)

Sir I'm curious how much Studio 58 charges to develop a roll of b&w film? :)

I get nervous and jumpy when waiting for my rolls being developed. Manong guard at the office and the phone are my best friends when 2 days have passed and my rolls haven't arrived yet and when I get it I forget all about working and I get all excited (but then again, when I'm waiting for them, I also forget working, sometimes :D)

Call them up to inquire at (02) 885-7632.

Look for Bengy Toda or Julie :D

Cheers!

Jo Avila

first time film user here, trying lomo. i share your sentiment sir jo, the only part i don't like about doing film photography is the waiting part. i'm spoiled so much with the instant gratification of digital hehe.

I learned how to shoot in film.

I'm trying to learn how to get used to the anticipation and waiting again. :D

Cheers!

Jo Avila

i remember back when I took photos in high school...the wait was even longer. i'd ask my dad to develop my rolls at some photo studio in binondo and it would take around 3-4 days, and maybe even a week if he forgets to bring it home :Grin: and to see them in their printed 3R glory was petrifying :Shock:

With digiprint... yeah it's a waiting game but there's a sense of excitement:Scared: that comes with waiting... then pure bliss:Grin: when you get the cd in your mailbox... remorse:( comes after realizing you took bad photographs... hahahaha:D... but if waiting:Thinking: is not an option you can always go to fujifilm in megamall they can develop and scan color negative 135 and 120 film in an hour... although they charge higher than digiprint and they don't do b/w films unless it's one of those b/w's that is C-41 processed like BW400CN...:Grin:

Sometimes frugality supersedes anticipation... Heheheh

I sometimes wait for 5rolls to be completed before sending to Digiprint (remember the Digiprint 5rolls/275pesos only)... Sometimes its more than a month difference between my first roll and my last/fifth role, so you can imagine I have to wait more than a month to see what I took with my first roll. Hahahaha

What makes me happy upto now is opening the cd which I took using slides or expired film? If its C41 film processed normally, I have an idea of how it looked like (just disappointed with some exposure bobos and blown highlights, but otherwise I know what to expect), if its the expired/slide films processed in C41, wow, its not what I imagined... :)

I'm glad that I kept my processing tanks. Now they're back in action, regularly developing both BW and colour films. All my film is processed in house -almost exclusively that is. I've perhaps sent only three colour rolls out for processing in the last 6 months or so.

Having scanners around is also helpful. The moment the negatives go off the drying line, they get cut and scanned.

No waiting, unless I get too lazy to set up the tanks or tempering baths, or even the scanner. Costs are down too- Php 60 to process an expired colour roll which cost Php 20 each is often hard to justify :D

The only disadvantage I see in the setup is that both processes take up a lot of time!

@Jo- I can process your BWs. Or if you still have your tanks, I have the BW developer and fixer. Both made in-house.

Jay

@ Jay

Thanks for the offer. But I think that I'll send them to Studio 58 (since the rolls were freebies from Studio 58 - they might as well get some business out of it :D).

Cheers!

Jo Avila

I just sent 5 rolls of film to Digiprint for processing... will be getting them wednesday...which means I will be all jumpy and excited tomorrow. :)

waiting game.. so true...

here in japan.. you could get your c-41 process for half-an-hour..

e-6 i dont know..

b/w takes longer, also expensive... but b/w processing materials are readily available(tanks, developer and stuff) which means the cheaper way is to do it yourself..

b/w takes longer, also expensive... but b/w processing materials are readily available(tanks, developer and stuff) which means the cheaper way is to do it yourself..

BW processing is so labour intensive. Can be wasteful too, for the lab, since they would have to prepare chemicals in amounts that would not be used to its capacity. Less BW film coming in would probably mean that a good part of the prepared chemistry would have to be dumped as they go bad even without use. So the costs for these are passed on to each roll they process.

Processing BW on your own has other advantages than cost too. You get to see your negatives in as little as half an hour. And there is absolute control too. BW processing has so many variables to it that how the negative looks, or is like, in the end depends on the sort of treatment (how it was agitated, for instance) the film got during processing. Once the processing methodology is standardised and made consistent, the resulting negatives will always have the same quality.

Jay

I have three rolls of ISO 400 color neg 120 film to send off for DO & Scanning.

There are three more rolls of VP 120 that also need to be scanned.

The wait continues .... :D

Cheers!

Jo Avila

this waiting game, ahaha i new with it.
laking digital, in a sense. and as of now, i am trying film. and i have to say, i am enjoying everything. loading, unloading the film, ahaha the sound of the shutter button, and surprisingly, even the developing of the film. ahahaha.. never imagined this waiting is kinda exciting. its nice to finally be "in the film" wooooo....

the wait for 5 rolls is also hard. sometimes i just want to process the rolls after i took them out of the camera ASAP :D

yesterday i went directly to one of the prolabs here in tokyo the specializes in developing slide films including 120.. my waiting time has been cut from 4 days to 4 hours.. :Evil:

though the scanning really burns a hole in my pocket.. scanning standard size brownie films for 5 rolls cost as much as a brand new flatbed scanner(also capable of scanning brownies..)

if i only knew i was getting into medium format i wouldnt have skimped on the scanner.. duh..

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2224/2307452720_c82c22bd6d.jpg

scanning off a flatbed without holders..

I remember the last time I shot film. It was in 2005 and I came back from shooting the Sepang F1 race for Top Gear mag. I had 60 rolls for developing, including close ups of Shumi and the other racers. Yaiks!

BW processing is so labour intensive. Can be wasteful too, for the lab, since they would have to prepare chemicals in amounts that would not be used to its capacity. Less BW film coming in would probably mean that a good part of the prepared chemistry would have to be dumped as they go bad even without use. So the costs for these are passed on to each roll they process.

Processing BW on your own has other advantages than cost too. You get to see your negatives in as little as half an hour. And there is absolute control too. BW processing has so many variables to it that how the negative looks, or is like, in the end depends on the sort of treatment (how it was agitated, for instance) the film got during processing. Once the processing methodology is standardised and made consistent, the resulting negatives will always have the same quality.

Jay

hi jay,

i too love processing my own Black and White negs.. ive been using d-76 and this atlas brand for fixer.

would you know where to get rodinal (parodinal?)?

hi jay,

i too love processing my own Black and White negs.. ive been using d-76 and this atlas brand for fixer.

would you know where to get rodinal (parodinal?)?

Joseph,

A few people I know immediately got hooked to paRodinal (or real Rodinal itself) after seeing the sharpness advantage it has over D76.


Where to get it? From my film processing cabinet! :D

Jay

size brownie films for 5 rolls cost as much as a brand new flatbed scanner(also capable of scanning brownies..)







The Japanese call roll film as "Brownie film".... it's a carry-over from the time when roll film went into Kodak Brownie Box cameras, and that dates from the late 19th to early 20th centuries. The usage got stuck until precision cameras like Rolleiflex, Zeiss Ikonta, Voigtländer Bessa, Reflex-Korelles, etc came along in the 1930s. Even so when the Japanese themselves were making their precision Minolta, Ricoh, Olympus, and Konica TLR and folding cameras.

This is analogous to what is happening locally- regretably, any film-using photographer is immediately labelled as a 'lomographer' even if he is shooting with serious cameras like Leica, Rolleiflex, Exakta, Contax, or Zorki, FED, Moskva, or Kiev. :D

Jay

Joseph,

A few people I know immediately got hooked to paRodinal (or real Rodinal itself) after seeing the sharpness advantage it has over D76.


Where to get it? From my film processing cabinet! :D

Jay

wow, do you think you can sell me some? i cant seem to get any anywhere! or point me in the right direction?

AAAAAAARRRRRRGH!!!!!

It's waiting time again. I sent over several rolls for processing and scanning to Digiprint yesterday.

I keep on hoping that they include a developing and scanning service that will deliver the processed rolls and CD to me two days before I drop them off.

But manipulating the time-space continuum isn't part of Digiprint's service (yet :D).

I also have to contend with the fact that I shot four rolls of 120 film AFTER I dropped off my rolls of 35mm film yesterday.

I'll probably shoot a few more rolls of 120 before I send them off for developing and scanning.

Cheers!

Jo Avila

Sir Jo,

I can feel your pain... I have sent 10rolls last weekend (2weeks work after my vacation), and it was 2 days of mailman harrassment (is there yet? is there yet? is there yet?).... I hope Digiprint has a 1hour development + scanning service... Just go to your nearest mall, smoke 4-5sticks of Marlboros... then your CD and negatives are set... :)

Sir Jo,

I can feel your pain... I have sent 10rolls last weekend (2weeks work after my vacation), and it was 2 days of mailman harrassment (is there yet? is there yet? is there yet?).... I hope Digiprint has a 1hour development + scanning service... Just go to your nearest mall, smoke 4-5sticks of Marlboros... then your CD and negatives are set... :)

Naaaah ..... I want Digiprint to bend the time-space continuum. :D

I want the CD and negs BEFORE I give them in :D

Cheers!

Jo Avila

My wait is a bit different... got 2 rolls of tmax, 3 colored rolls on my office desk and no money to send them for dev and scan :(

BTW, what do you tell the scanner-guy if you want to include the film sprocket holes? I kinda like it not only for aesthetics but also makes it easier for me to see what roll I used at that time. Although negative info seems to be less comprehensive as slides.

My wait is a bit different... got 2 rolls of tmax, 3 colored rolls on my office desk and no money to send them for dev and scan :(

BTW, what do you tell the scanner-guy if you want to include the film sprocket holes? I kinda like it not only for aesthetics but also makes it easier for me to see what roll I used at that time. Although negative info seems to be less comprehensive as slides.

Tell him to scan it with a 120 mask :D

Cheers!

Jo Avila

My wait is a bit different... got 2 rolls of tmax, 3 colored rolls on my office desk and no money to send them for dev and scan :(

BTW, what do you tell the scanner-guy if you want to include the film sprocket holes? I kinda like it not only for aesthetics but also makes it easier for me to see what roll I used at that time. Although negative info seems to be less comprehensive as slides.

... or you can be a obsessive-compulsive like me and have a small notebook to record approx time, F-stop and shutterspeed... hehehehe... And you can't have that with negative info!!! heheheh

... or you can be a obsessive-compulsive like me and have a small notebook to record approx time, F-stop and shutterspeed... hehehehe... And you can't have that with negative info!!! heheheh

Actually, you can. I sort of remember that some AF film cameras used to have a feature that would use up the last frame of a roll to imprint the exposure settings used for each shot.

The F4 or the F5 databack used to record the date in the spaces between the frames (if I remember correctly).

Cheers!

Jo Avila

Hmmm .... bend the time-space continuum .....

Does Digiprint have the budget to make Shayder an employee? :D

Cheers!

Jo Avila

This is analogous to what is happening locally- regretably, any film-using photographer is immediately labelled as a 'lomographer' even if he is shooting with serious cameras like Leica, Rolleiflex, Exakta, Contax, or Zorki, FED, Moskva, or Kiev. :D

Jay

I can relate to this, especially when i was looking for film at Photoworld, one of the store keepers at one booth asked me if I was those lomo peeps

ikaw rin ba yung mga lomo? (are you one of them lomo peeps?)

I wanted to hug the Aperture Trading people because they refered to me as a Photography Student. When they asked me what camera club I was a part of I said.

I'm with the Jo Avila Fans Club :Grin:

Oh well :)

I guess it's time to do away with labels. A hardcore-serious film head should remember that even if a person shoot purely with lomo-identified cameras, the person is still a photographer. And those who shoot purely lomos should also re-evaluate the "dont think just shoot " philosophy because it may be artsy and and quaint for a while when you are starting but once you grow as a photographer, you will realize that it is a wasteful way of shooting. If you probably didn't invent much though in a shot, then it's most likely you won't print/frame and cherish it after a while. Film prices are rising so let's not be wasteful . I believe there should be a meeting or a conciliation of some sort since there are really so few of us who are shooting film that it's to our advantage to unite instead of splitting into different camps. Labels are silly, I mean if I drive a toyota and another person drives a honda aren't we still "drivers" diba? hehe As someone once said.... "why can't we just get along?" hehehhe :D Sorry for the rant, I just felt the need to let off some air.. had too much to eat during lunch :D

I guess it's time to do away with labels because even if you shoot purely with lomo-identified cameras, you are still a photographer. I believe there should be a meeting or a conciliation of some sort since there are really so few of us who are shooting film that it's to our advantage to unite instead of splitting into different camps. As someone once said.... "why can't we just get along?" hehehhe :D

some really just wants to be identified as a lomographer...oddly enough :) oh well i don't really mind because whatever they label me,i still love what i do and i know what i really am. :Grin:

Donna, Kaya nga eh, I find it really limiting to be labelled :) "Cow label" ba hehehehe, ever tried those? :D

I'm often labelled as "money waster"...

I'm often labelled as "money waster"...

they call me......"tsambero" ::D

i'm an underground musician and photographer that's why i don't have a label (pun intended) :D

Donna, Kaya nga eh, I find it really limiting to be labelled :) "Cow label" ba hehehehe, ever tried those? :D

haha, I like cow label.

but I'm not Dymo. I don't do labels :D

Otep, you in a band?

donna, Cow label yum, can't take too much though before my throat starts to hurt and my hands gets all sticky :D

i'm an underground musician and photographer that's why i don't have a label (pun intended) :D

yeah, he's cow labeled.

@daniel - not really, but i have a few guitars in cebu and a mini k-hon from jim ayson :D

@nino - no pare, i'm cook smurf. you can label me that.

they call me......"tsambero" ::D

They call me guwapooooooooooooh :D

Cheers!

Jo Avila

Jo!

I had the first roll of the film you gave me developed yesterday! Your right, the wait is killing me because I have no idea how the pictures will come out and the fact that I had no idea again how long to leave the shutter open etc... Plus I am so sure I left the lens cap on atleast once! hahaha! Also, I dont even know if I double exposed some shots! Bwahahaha!

Jiggie, Was it with a Holga? Exciting isn't it ? :)

@daniel

It was with a Diana+. Exciting?!?!?! YOU BET!!!! Hahaha

jiggie, I hope your pics turn out great~ :D

otep and i are waiting for our rolls to be delivered on Friday!! the roll from the surprise camera is there...wonder how that turned out ..

Donna,

Thanks, I hope yours turn out great too... May I ask what "surprise camera"?

They call me guwapooooooooooooh :D

Cheers!

Jo Avila

is that what your stalker calls you?? :D

jiggie : well, its a surprise .. :D a friend asked me to work on the camera...so i'm anxious how it turns out... :D

is that what your stalker calls you?? :D

LOL! That's what I exclaim each time I pass by a mirror?

My wife then usually asks "Who? Where?"

I point at my reflection in the mirror and she still asks "Who? Where?"

Cheers!

Jo Avila

It was nice to see that my rolls from Digiprint were already delivered.

Alas, I discovered that the package on the desk was this month's issue of DPP.

That's also nice to get. But I'm still waiting for my negs and CDs.

SPACE-TIME WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRP!!!!!!

Cheers!

Jo Avila

The space-time warp has occured :D

My negs and CD were delivered this afternoon :D

Cheers!

Jo Avila

hahaha! jo, what have you been drinking?? stale coffee?? :D

Too much coffee kamo :D

aha, why did you sell your left to right? :D

There is no such thing as too much coffee.

In fact, I'm going to get an Espresso machine for the studio.

That should make my students more lively :D

Cheers!

Jo Avila

there can never be too much good coffee.

only too much of stale coffee :D

aha, why did you sell your left to right? :D


Sold my old one to get Jonathan's boxed left to right. mine has no box and no manuals kasi. hehehe OC sobra :)

Sold my old one to get Jonathan's boxed left to right. mine has no box and no manuals kasi. hehehe OC sobra :)

Koya, you forgot to give it to me for freeee :Grin:

There is no such thing as too much coffee.

In fact, I'm going to get an Espresso machine for the studio.

That should make my students more lively :D

Cheers!

Jo Avila

Whoohoo!! I hope this gets in time for the June-July class :D:D

Koya, you forgot to give it to me for freeee :Grin:

hahaha, Oh Donna :)

Waiting once again....

I dropped off several rolls of 120 film yesterday at Digiprint.

I also included a couple of 35mm rolls.

One roll of 35mm is unfinished. It's from the aborted test shoot I had with my defective Horizon which has since been replaced (thanks Otep).

The second roll of 35mm is from the test shots I did with my new (and working) Horizon (thanks once again Otep :D).

Space-time waaaaaaaarp!!!!

Cheers!

Jo Avila

TIME WARP>>>>>>>>> Back to the FUTRE ba? :D

you're welcome jo and thanks for the ilford xp2 120s :) enjoy your new toy :)

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Cheers!

Jo Avila

The waiting game is probably one of the coolest games there is! It's like waiting for your first baby to come out! It's all exciting from the moment I buy a roll, I kiss the cartridge and load it with excitement! The excitement and anticipation in waiting for the prints is so irreplaceable, it's a genuine feeling! huhuhuhu! tears of joy!

I have reduced my "waiting game" significantly since, i develop my own black and whites and I scan them on my own. Still have to learn how to do c-41 processing to remove the waiting game for the colored ones :)

ahhh, the waiting game.

since last month, I pursued in developing my own b&w films, 120s and 135s and also got myself a scanner. it's fun! fast and costs less (i think)

I even tried developing color negatives using black and white chemicals, and I like the effect. bloody.

Problem is I got a lot of expired elitechromes/sensia's/ bw400cn etc waiting to be used! i just hope they can still produce images!:Shock: