Title: Ssshhhh...
Make: Canon
Model: Canon EOS 40D
Shutter Speed: 1/80 second
F Number: F/4.0
Focal Length: 35 mm
ISO Speed: 200
Date Picture Taken: Jan 26, 2008, 5:36:37 PM

A Shot from 1st Street Children festival in Manila - Museo Pambata

http://www.eyefetch.com/p/5a/670278-3c08537e-6040-43f1-b3a0-6472a9927f51.jpg

hi joel,


i love the 'grit' finish of your shot. i like the DOF control which added drama to the entire image. did you add vignette to the corners?


~rey

hi joel,


i love the 'grit' finish of your shot. i like the DOF control which added drama to the entire image. did you add vignette to the corners?


~rey


Hi Rey- Yes a little bit. Thx.

I wish i had something constructive to say but I will say this:

Great capture! Great colors and bokeh.

I'm sure there's a story behind his wounds on his face.

But this image kinda depresses me. Which is good as great pictures are effective in invoking an emotional response!

thanks for sharing. this reminds me that I must donate to Gawad Kalinga again.

i don't think its a wound, i think its face painting.

excellent use of depth of field, adds texture and drama.
i think pp on the eyes to give it a glassy look would be another way to go. but i think capturing your reflection was intentional, and well placed.

if i may be honest and straightforward, it is cliched and the pp is quite hackneyed.

the angle and POV is demeaning. too dominant and too high. it further gives the impression that the kids are answering up to a higher being when they are already under-priveleged.

oversharpened to the point that it seems he has sandpaper for skin. did you tell him to pose that way? their expressions are incongruent.

ok na sana but pp is - for me - artificial and smacks of another great photographer's style. would have been better without the vignette and the treament of the eyes. its a "street" candid, right? we don't have a sense of this street where you found him.

actually, ok sana yung eyes, but the pp on the main child's eye is too evident given inconsistent yung whiteness ng eyes between him and the one behind him.

Hi Joel, my only comment is the oversharp PP.

this "look' has been popularized by another photographer....(and replicated by many ) and personally, its like having too many shwarma or zagu stands. after awhile, you just dont feel like having one.

its too much of everything.

too contrived
too sharpened
too saturated
too sad
too been there done that (by other photographers)

i have seen much much better work from you with your own style.

This just just a personal view in terms of the overall impact of the photo... Also knowing what you are capable of.

1) I think I'm just really, really tired of poverty kids photos, especially if it tells no new story in the photograph... It's just too "gasgas" to see. Especially with Filipino street kids who, despite their hardships are happy in general... We all know that already, we see it everyday whenever we see an intersection on the street. Good thing you didn't title it the usual "innocence" or "through the eyes..." kind of thing, that'll really do it for me hehe.

2) PP issue, all mentioned above... I also believe than kids shouldn't receive much PP (especially with effects) at all, otherwise, takes the whole "child" perspective out of the window. The whole "eyes are 3x sharper than the rest of the face" thing may work for those who have used it as their style, but doesn't really translate well on others' work, especially if your audience is well aware of the PP technique used and who popularized it locally.

Technically, the POV with a wide angle doesn't work well for kids... A high POV forces a kid to look up, exposing more of his eyes than anything else... It also makes their head look Sam Cassell-like... (E.T. and big-head martians for those who don't follow basketball).

Since this photo is PP'd quite a bit, hard to comment on nitty-gritty things like exposure and such.

Kids are mostly cute, skewing their shape isn't a good thing for me.

Again, taking into context that these are children, not models, not adults, not abstract items... The shot doesn't present the kid with a positive note other than the fact that his friend suggests that they're having fun.

Speaking of the friend, it's clear that he's in the frame, but too prominent that he's a big distraction... They seem to be close, why focus on two of them rather than just one?

Like what Jay mentioned, the environment plays a role especially if you've mentioned that this was taken on some sort of a celebration... The subject(s) holding couple of props would work nicely.

Just commenting bud... I'm not as good as you as a photographer, but I really love photos of children, these don't really fit in as my personal view of child photos unless I'm documenting the hardship of life (like your great railway series) - Sorry if it seems harsh, it's probably because we know you're a good/creative photographer. Peace.

i don't think its a wound, i think its face painting.

excellent use of depth of field, adds texture and drama.
i think pp on the eyes to give it a glassy look would be another way to go. but i think capturing your reflection was intentional, and well placed.


Hi Sir Jerome- your right its a face painting. Thanks for replying. About pp in the eyes thing as much as possible i would not like to touch the eye due to some comparison factors.. = ) i do universal sharpening USM 100% .07 after resizing to 1500, to add a little info... im looking for some potential characters in that event in museo pambata in Manila... and i found this kid named "Raymund" calling me to have his photograph...i didnt make him pose that way. it just comes out naturally. About the reflection in the eye frankly sir im not aware of it......im more concentrated with the expression of the kid. Thank you for the c&c.

no need to call me sir, I am still very very young, hehehe

if i may be honest and straightforward, it is cliched and the pp is quite hackneyed.

Thanks for the term "Hackneyed" pp is lack of freshness and originality it reminds me of how you pp'ed you landscapes. = )

the angle and POV is demeaning. too dominant and too high. it further gives the impression that the kids are answering up to a higher being when they are already under-priveleged.

I appreciate our observation...but based on my own reason why i took in that manner is street photography is spontenious fast paced..emotions may last a split of a second...it is not a landscape/mountains that are permanent that you could shoot with a tripod..level eye, down side etc. Sometimes a good photograph is all about opportunity if i have the opportunity to capture that original expression of that kid again take two...i would .... i could shoot on any angle i want...but at that moment that is the possible best angle to click my shutter.


oversharpened to the point that it seems he has sandpaper for skin. did you tell him to pose that way? their expressions are incongruent.

I admit it...i intend to overshapened my street photos... also that boy "Raymund" pose naturally infront of my cam...i havent encountered nor seen a street portrait photo like that...im happy with it, probably even without post process that photo could stand on its own. = )


ok na sana but pp is - for me - artificial and smacks of another great photographer's style. would have been better without the vignette and the treament of the eyes. its a "street" candid, right? we don't have a sense of this street where you found him.

if i may be honest and straightforward, it is cliched and the pp is quite hackneyed.

Thanks for the term "Hackneyed" pp is lack of freshness and originality it reminds me of how you pp'ed you landscapes. = )

the angle and POV is demeaning. too dominant and too high. it further gives the impression that the kids are answering up to a higher being when they are already under-priveleged.

I appreciate our observation...but based on my own reason why i took in that manner is street photography is spontenious fast paced..emotions may last a split of a second...it is not a landscape/mountains that are permanent that you could shoot with a tripod..level eye, down side etc. Sometimes a good photograph is all about opportunity if i have the opportunity to capture that original expression of that kid again take two...i would .... i could shoot on any angle i want...but at that moment that is the possible best angle to click my shutter.


oversharpened to the point that it seems he has sandpaper for skin. did you tell him to pose that way? their expressions are incongruent.

I admit it...i intend to overshapened my street photos... also that boy "Raymund" pose naturally infront of my cam...i havent encountered nor seen a street portrait photo like that...im happy with it, probably even without post process that photo could stand on its own. = )


ok na sana but pp is - for me - artificial and smacks of another great photographer's style. would have been better without the vignette and the treament of the eyes. its a "street" candid, right? we don't have a sense of this street where you found him.

I still remember and very thankful to you when you told me way back, that i dont need to put more post process in my photos...
. for me the word "Artificial" is not nice especially when you dont know how much effort and dedication they endure just to create those portraits. The word Artificial might bounce back to some of your works too.

Thanks Jay for c&c my photo...im suprised and priveledged to communicate with you again... as i recalled we already discussed this photojourn thing on the chizmaxx thread...and its very bloody:D its all coming back to me now...

. for me the word "Artificial" is not nice especially when you dont know how much effort and dedication they endure just to create those portraits. The word Artificial might bounce back to some of your works too.



bounce back? you say you are in photojournalism and i'm into landscapes / fine-art. we are in very different fields with vastly different tolerances for personal interpretation and pp.

im not referring to how you took the photo. i'm saying the PP makes the effort artificial. i don't intend to go personal here. you asked for a critique so i'm giving it to you. why the need to tell me about my comments bouncing back?

let's keep it objective and leave our feelings on the sidelines, shall we?

bounce back? you say you are in photojournalism and i'm into landscapes / fine-art. we are in very different fields with vastly different tolerances for personal interpretation and pp.

im not referring to how you took the photo. i'm saying the PP makes the effort artificial. i don't intend to go personal here. you asked for a critique so i'm giving it to you. why the need to tell me about my comments bouncing back?

let's keep it objective and leave our feelings on the sidelines, shall we?


Im not in a photojournalism perse: im just a hobbyist who shoot street photos. you told We are in a very different fields".... thats why im suprised you answered a c&c street photo.... Im not to go personal here too but im just only suprised a very well known Landscapist photographer giving a c&c on a street portraits..

I know everybody can give c&c here....but im just SUPRISED....i wonder why..

this "look' has been popularized by another photographer....(and replicated by many ) and personally, its like having too many shwarma or zagu stands. after awhile, you just dont feel like having one.

its too much of everything.

too contrived
too sharpened
too saturated
too sad
too been there done that (by other photographers)

i have seen much much better work from you with your own style.


Hi Pilar- Thanks for the comment. I guess the 'look" in street photography is somewhat been favorite. As this point im still searching for my own style...

But could you give me advise what do you think is the best treatment for this kind of photo?

Im not in a photojournalism perse: im just a hobbyist who shoot street photos. you told We are in a very different fields".... thats why im suprised you answered a c&c street photo.... Im not to go personal here too but im just only suprised a very well known Landscapist photographer giving a c&c on a street portraits..

I know everybody can give c&c here....but im just SUPRISED....i wonder why..

so are you also surprised that Pilar Tuason, who is a very well-known wedding photographer, gave a C&C on your "street" photo?

you asked for a C&C, not the usual pat on the back.

anyhow, i think i saw a point already being made here. so i rest my case.

Thanks for the term "Hackneyed" pp is lack of freshness and originality it reminds me of how you pp'ed you landscapes. = )


see? too personal. why do you have to refer to my own photography to respond to a critique i gave on your shot?

we are talking about your image, remember? such a pity to be defensive and to be resorting to fallacious argumentation (ad hominem ba?).

I think this is too Parc Cruz for me not the Joel Garcia shot

so are you also surprised that Pilar Tuason, who is a very well-known wedding photographer, gave a C&C on your "street" photo?

you asked for a C&C, not the usual pat on the back.

anyhow, i think i saw a point already being made here. so i rest my case.

Yes- i posted my photo here coz i want to learn and improve and seek for people advise good or bad.

But not with you. I just want to focus on photography...no more no less.

Thanks for the term "Hackneyed" pp is lack of freshness and originality it reminds me of how you pp'ed you landscapes. = )


see? too personal. why do you have to refer to my own photography to respond to a critique i gave on your shot?

we are talking about your image, remember? such a pity to be defensive and to be resorting to fallacious argumentation (ad hominem ba?).


Di ba MODERATOR ka na dito? You look like never mind...

with regards to POVs ang angles- i tend to agree with Joel.

when i was apprenticing for the great late TIBOR HORVATH who i rank up there with KARSH and CAVOUK, the old man always told me that it's important that when photographing children, the poor, the paupers, the downtrodden, try to shoot from a high angle, not to demean them and make it look like they are answering to a higher being but to show just that- they are down there. and if you are photographing the rich, celebrities, heads of state-do the opposite, shoot them from a low angle, to show just that- that they are up there! it would be hard to send a message if you do the opposite.

when i am not doing my "conveyor belt photography" , which mind you, i am not apologetic about because it brings in the rent money, i have time to play with my lighting and my POVs and really think about what i want to portray. i took a photo of my apprentice shir a few months ago and when faced with the POV question, i said to myself- he's learning from me, ergo he's lower than me (photography-wise that is) but NAH! he's a good photographer so i'll do this:

http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z88/coolfotog/Apprentice-1.jpg

most of my works are 100% PP free except sometimes for monochormes but i am never a PP basher because i am dreaming of someday being as good as the guys here at DPP. i want to learn so i could "improve my work."

I appreciate your photo sir. You are doing what you think will improve you shooting skills. I know most of us hobbyist are still on our path finding our own style. Keep it up and never stop. Endure the bad c&c and enjoy the good ones.
peace

I think this is too Parc Cruz for me not the Joel Garcia shot


Hi Richmond- Thanks for the comment.

UH OH!!! DOES THIS MEAN THE BREAK-UP OF OA1? AND NO REUNION?

NINO, NINO, NINO!!! BUTT IN AND KNOCK SOME SENSE INTO THESE GUYS' HEADS!!

This just just a personal view in terms of the overall impact of the photo... Also knowing what you are capable of.

1) I think I'm just really, really tired of poverty kids photos, especially if it tells no new story in the photograph... It's just too "gasgas" to see. Especially with Filipino street kids who, despite their hardships are happy in general... We all know that already, we see it everyday whenever we see an intersection on the street. Good thing you didn't title it the usual "innocence" or "through the eyes..." kind of thing, that'll really do it for me hehe.


I agree..it just happened i want to know the views of other people. But you know what reality hurts...weve seen a lot of beautiful photos in the magazine in the movies...the good lifestyle of the people, but in reality we just been brainwash that life is good everything is beautiful. Just look around and see.


2) PP issue, all mentioned above... I also believe than kids shouldn't receive much PP (especially with effects) at all, otherwise, takes the whole "child" perspective out of the window. The whole "eyes are 3x sharper than the rest of the face" thing may work for those who have used it as their style, but doesn't really translate well on others' work, especially if your audience is well aware of the PP technique used and who popularized it locally.


But dont you think an artists have the freedom to express themselves? A preference...its like other people like Color photograph and you like Black and White. I wonder why people who introduce the style here first has the priveledge to be recognized and owned the style but if you look at the world wide web...a lot of those style are already being done by a lot of photographers around the globe...it is just others introduce it first here. = )

Technically, the POV with a wide angle doesn't work well for kids... A high POV forces a kid to look up, exposing more of his eyes than anything else... It also makes their head look Sam Cassell-like... (E.T. and big-head martians for those who don't follow basketball).

Ha ha ha ha...Photos is subjective...other people like it others may not. = )

Since this photo is PP'd quite a bit, hard to comment on nitty-gritty things like exposure and such.

Kids are mostly cute, skewing their shape isn't a good thing for me.

About this photo ...i could choose the cutest kid on the place...but what im looking a character that suited to my vision in that place...its the 1st Street Children festival...obviously you will find a lot of street kids in that place....

Again, taking into context that these are children, not models, not adults, not abstract items... The shot doesn't present the kid with a positive note other than the fact that his friend suggests that they're having fun.

Sir Dave- we could get a lot of stories in that photo. and im glad to hear your comments.

Speaking of the friend, it's clear that he's in the frame, but too prominent that he's a big distraction... They seem to be close, why focus on two of them rather than just one?
the reason i took that photo, coz i feel that i could get some unique emotion and various stories with just one photo.

Like what Jay mentioned, the environment plays a role especially if you've mentioned that this was taken on some sort of a celebration... The subject(s) holding couple of props would work nicely.

In this photo i shoot sponteniously all i want is to capture that Ssssshhh emotion.

Just commenting bud... I'm not as good as you as a photographer, but I really love photos of children, these don't really fit in as my personal view of child photos unless I'm documenting the hardship of life (like your great railway series) - Sorry if it seems harsh, it's probably because we know you're a good/creative photographer. Peace.

Answer in different color

Originally Posted by David Tong http://digitalphotographer.com.ph/fB_Dark/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://digitalphotographer.com.ph/forum/showthread.php?p=326409#post326409)
This just just a personal view in terms of the overall impact of the photo... Also knowing what you are capable of.

1) I think I'm just really, really tired of poverty kids photos, especially if it tells no new story in the photograph... It's just too "gasgas" to see. Especially with Filipino street kids who, despite their hardships are happy in general... We all know that already, we see it everyday whenever we see an intersection on the street. Good thing you didn't title it the usual "innocence" or "through the eyes..." kind of thing, that'll really do it for me hehe.


I agree..it just happened i want to know the views of other people. But you know what reality hurts...weve seen a lot of beautiful photos in the magazine in the movies...the good lifestyle of the people, but in reality we just been brainwash that life is good everything is beautiful. Just look around and see.


2) PP issue, all mentioned above... I also believe than kids shouldn't receive much PP (especially with effects) at all, otherwise, takes the whole "child" perspective out of the window. The whole "eyes are 3x sharper than the rest of the face" thing may work for those who have used it as their style, but doesn't really translate well on others' work, especially if your audience is well aware of the PP technique used and who popularized it locally.


But dont you think an artists have the freedom to express themselves? A preference...its like other people like Color photograph and you like Black and White. I wonder why people who introduce the style here first has the priveledge to be recognized and owned the style but if you look at the world wide web...a lot of those style are already being done by a lot of photographers around the globe...it is just others introduce it first here. = )

Technically, the POV with a wide angle doesn't work well for kids... A high POV forces a kid to look up, exposing more of his eyes than anything else... It also makes their head look Sam Cassell-like... (E.T. and big-head martians for those who don't follow basketball).

Ha ha ha ha...Photos are subjective...other people like it others may not. = )

Since this photo is PP'd quite a bit, hard to comment on nitty-gritty things like exposure and such.

Kids are mostly cute, skewing their shape isn't a good thing for me.

About this photo ...i could choose the cutest kid on the place...but what im looking a character that suited to my vision in that place...its the 1st Street Children festival...obviously you will find a lot of street kids in that place....

Again, taking into context that these are children, not models, not adults, not abstract items... The shot doesn't present the kid with a positive note other than the fact that his friend suggests that they're having fun.

Sir Dave- we could get a lot of stories in that photo. and im glad to hear your comments.

Speaking of the friend, it's clear that he's in the frame, but too prominent that he's a big distraction... They seem to be close, why focus on two of them rather than just one?
the reason i took that photo, coz i feel that i could get some unique emotion and various stories with just one photo.

Like what Jay mentioned, the environment plays a role especially if you've mentioned that this was taken on some sort of a celebration... The subject(s) holding couple of props would work nicely.

In this photo i shoot sponteniously all i want is to capture that Ssssshhh emotion.

Just commenting bud... I'm not as good as you as a photographer, but I really love photos of children, these don't really fit in as my personal view of child photos unless I'm documenting the hardship of life (like your great railway series) - Sorry if it seems harsh, it's probably because we know you're a good/creative photographer. Peace.


Hey Sir David- im posted here the photos so i could hear and learn from the comments of the people here in dpp... I appreciate all the inputs and the time youve given here. Maraming Salamat.

with regards to POVs ang angles- i tend to agree with Joel.

when i was apprenticing for the great late TIBOR HORVATH who i rank up there with KARSH and CAVOUK, the old man always told me that it's important that when photographing children, the poor, the paupers, the downtrodden, try to shoot from a high angle, not to demean them and make it look like they are answering to a higher being but to show just that- they are down there. and if you are photographing the rich, celebrities, heads of state-do the opposite, shoot them from a low angle, to show just that- that they are up there! it would be hard to send a message if you do the opposite.

when i am not doing my "conveyor belt photography" , which mind you, i am not apologetic about because it brings in the rent money, i have time to play with my lighting and my POVs and really think about what i want to portray. i took a photo of my apprentice shir a few months ago and when faced with the POV question, i said to myself- he's learning from me, ergo he's lower than me (photography-wise that is) but NAH! he's a good photographer so i'll do this:

http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z88/coolfotog/Apprentice-1.jpg

most of my works are 100% PP free except sometimes for monochormes but i am never a PP basher because i am dreaming of someday being as good as the guys here at DPP. i want to learn so i could "improve my work."



Sir Basil- I want to learn too thats why i posted one street photo here to C&C i want to improve my work... Ayaw kasi akong tantanan eh di na nga pinapansin eh...

Maybe include your usual intro and write-up would help as well... I think one thing that made this photo "different" from your other ones is that this is just a single photo...

Your documentary skills shines when you present a series of photos with subtle story telling made your "style" enjoyable to follow and view... Since this didn't allow you to venture onto that style of story telling, the impact isn't there unless you were physically present to "experience" that event.

As for "freedom to express themselves", well frankly, that's one aspect that no one can and should comment on as each style is different and only the artist will really know what he wants to convey.

On the other hand, C&C requests usually covers technical and presentation aspects of a subject matter, so that's what I was trying to comment on, how it was presented....

Di ba MODERATOR ka na dito? You look like never mind...



yeah, er so? what does it have to do with this?

i'm telling you to accept all types of criticism objectively. no need to be personal about it. no need to lash out at the one giving criticism. i'm not asking for your opinion about my photos or my methods. if you want you can go to my thread and share your thoughts, then it would at least have a measure of validity. and i'd be happy to debunk whatever thoughs you might have, anyway.

i don't understand all the defensiveness. a gracious "thank you" would have been enough if you can't facilitate a good reply from your end.

Maybe include your usual intro and write-up would help as well... I think one thing that made this photo "different" from your other ones is that this is just a single photo...

Your documentary skills shines when you present a series of photos with subtle story telling made your "style" enjoyable to follow and view... Since this didn't allow you to venture onto that style of story telling, the impact isn't there unless you were physically present to "experience" that event.

As for "freedom to express themselves", well frankly, that's one aspect that no one can and should comment on as each style is different and only the artist will really know what he wants to convey.

On the other hand, C&C requests usually covers technical and presentation aspects of a subject matter, so that's what I was trying to comment on, how it was presented....


Hi Sir David- Its an honored to be C&C by David Tong the inputs and the comments will be in my mind to find my own brand of style and to be improved my craft. Thanks for helping.

Question if you are the photographer..what Street portrait would be in your mind and to your taste? Could post the photo here so we could learn from it?

yeah, er so? what does it have to do with this?

i'm telling you to accept all types of criticism objectively. no need to be personal about it. no need to lash out at the one giving criticism. i'm not asking for your opinion about my photos or my methods. if you want you can go to my thread and share your thoughts, then it would at least have a measure of validity. and i'd be happy to debunk whatever thoughs you might have, anyway.

i don't understand all the defensiveness. a gracious "thank you" would have been enough if you can't facilitate a good reply from your end.



I posted my photo here to get improve and hear good or bad comments of other Dpp Members.

If given a chance next time i would like to put a C&C PORTRAITS without Jay Jallorina replies.

I could get C&C help with other Dpp members without you.

Dont you get it? Leave me alone. Ok?

boys, take it a notch down. do remember that critiques or asking for one is not personal. it's about the work, not the person behind it.

I don't have a photo in mind, but I do like environmental portraits of Frank Van Riper...

I don't have a photo in mind, but I do like environmental portraits of Frank Van Riper...

Please...do you have particular link i could look on to?:)

I posted my photo here to get improve and hear good or bad comments of other Dpp Members.

If given a chance next time i would like to put a C&C PORTRAITS without Jay Jallorina replies.

I could get C&C help with other Dpp members without you.

Dont you get it? Leave me alone. Ok?


okay. fine by me. :)

you should have said so earlier. it's like saying "please give me C & C and don't hurt my feelings also."

okay. fine by me. :)

you should have said so earlier. it's like saying "please give me C & C and don't hurt my feelings also."


Dyan ka magaling....Sana maging masaya ka.....

Dyan ka magaling....Sana maging masaya ka.....

please follow our rules. english.

please follow our rules. english.


Dyan ka magaling....Sana maging masaya ka.....Translation: LEAVE ME ALONE...K.S.P.

I was about to give my C&C but finding the responses here drew me back. But hey, I'd like to give one so here goes:

Joel,
The photo for me presents something very intriguing as what the kid at the back of your subject would like to impart. It seems to me that they are into some naughtiness and mischievous act that has happened or about to happen. This is the story that I thought your photo, setting aside the technicality on how this was shot.

I don't want to mention that your photo style was seemed "copied" , but hey, isn't it we copy others styles as well in order to learn then later on improve?

I have seen lots of photos from some we revere, and I'm sure their style was copied from someone. The fortunate circumstance is that person being copied does not share his photos here.

TFS and I hope to see more photos! :)

I was about to give my C&C but finding the responses here drew me back. But hey, I'd like to give one so here goes:

Joel,
The photo for me present something very intriguing as what the kid at the back of your subject would like to impart. It seems to me that they are into some naughtiness and mischievous act that has happened or about to happen. This is the story that I thought your photo, setting aside the technicality on how this was shot.

I don't want to mention that your photo style was seemed "copied" , but hey, isn't it we copy others styles as well in order to learn then later on improve?

I have seen lots of photos from some we revere, and I'm sure their style was copied from someone. The fortunate circumstance is that person being copied does not share his photos here.

TFS and I hope to see more photos! :)


Hi Cocoy,

Im happy to see your C&C reply here good or bad this is the Critique gallery, i want to share something... when i shoot i dont put to much emphasis too much on the technical, i just ask my self "what is the story of this new frame? " as long i set my cam on AV MODE, set the proper ISO im ready find my subject.

i didnt know these kids already seen me shooting in that festival in museo pambata...then the 2 kids me approach me if i could shoot at them. i said ok...the lead kid pose a different kind of pose for me its like telling me something...the back kid is a bonus...smiling at the back... im really proud of this portrait. I love it.

About the copy the style..well said Sir. We study how they got it applied it but it doesnt mean we will stay and stick to that style forever. its John Mayer saying thanks to eric clapton for the blues style then to Bob Marley for the reggae beat then mix it turn into a new different twist sound.

Sometimes its sad when you do something similar to the style it got labeled agad na plakadong plakado ha.... or looks like a Librodo which is im trying to stay away as much as possible coz people tend to label your work to these famous photographers.

I think some of the people here notice i share a lot of my works here in dpp..which normally some people here dont... I share my photos coz maybe someone will inspire or give me tips or advise...i post an C&C to learn/ improve and be inspired more.

Thanks Sir Cocoy.

Joel G.

this "look' has been popularized by another photographer....(and replicated by many ) and personally, its like having too many shwarma or zagu stands. after awhile, you just dont feel like having one.

its too much of everything.

too contrived
too sharpened
too saturated
too sad
too been there done that (by other photographers)

i have seen much much better work from you with your own style.


I think this is the best comments... I also agreed and love your own style.... love your work Joel keep it up :)

One's innocent word may not be so to another.

Hi Cocoy,

Im happy to see your C&C reply here good or bad this is the Critique gallery, i want to share something... when i shoot i dont put to much emphasis too much on the technical, i just ask my self "what is the story of this new frame? " as long i set my cam on AV MODE, set the proper ISO im ready find my subject.

i didnt know these kids already seen me shooting in that festival in museo pambata...then the 2 kids me approach me if i could shoot at them. i said ok...the lead kid pose a different kind of pose for me its like telling me something...the back kid is a bonus...smiling at the back... im really proud of this portrait. I love it.

About the copy the style..well said Sir. We study how they got it applied it but it doesnt mean we will stay and stick to that style forever. its John Mayer saying thanks to eric clapton for the blues style then to Bob Marley for the reggae beat then mix it turn into a new different twist sound.

Sometimes its sad when you do something similar to the style it got labeled agad na plakadong plakado ha.... or looks like a Librodo which is im trying to stay away as much as possible coz people tend to label your work to these famous photographers.

I think some of the people here notice i share a lot of my works here in dpp..which normally some people here dont... I share my photos coz maybe someone will inspire or give me tips or advise...i post an C&C to learn/ improve and be inspired more.

Thanks Sir Cocoy.

Joel G.

hi joel,

to tell you the truth- i'm loving this!! in my mind, i see the burning, more like raging passion of all involved in this "tussle"- as long as you guys don't take it outside wth baseball bats and stuff-hahahahahaha.

in all seriousness, i find this healthy in the long run because i see us doing everything to prove something and that will only improve our photography. about copying, my belief is you will unconsciously, subconsciously and consciously "copy" people that you admire. you will ultimately grow out of it once you gain confidence and some measure of credibilty from your peers. there was a time in my life, when in the middle of a nasty snowstorm, i waited for 4 hours for the great YOUSUF KARSH to emerge from his studio at the CHATEAU LAURIER (hotel) in ottawa just to see what he was wearing. my wife thought that i just lost all my marbles when the next morning, i came home wearing a heavy trenchcoat and a fedora that i bought from GOODWILL (ukay ukay)- just to look like KARSH!! like i said, i kissed the ground that he walked on.

on critiques- rise above what you don't want to hear. maybe even do what the critics suggest you do instead and soon you will find out that just like all the people that you copy, their views will ultimately help your photography.

let me tell you this- i have photographed with you on several occasions and i can say without any reservation that you are one of the finest young photographers i have ever met.

YOU'LL GO A LONG WAY BABY!!

Guys.. Use ND8 filter to turn it down 2-4 stops...hehehe...For me...i know its been done so many times on the PP part...but as long as it's how you want to interpret it....its fine with me....

going back to the C&C's please.. :) like what ninoC said.. bring it down a notch. :)

I think some of the people here notice i share a lot of my works here in dpp..which normally some people here dont... I share my photos coz maybe someone will inspire or give me tips or advise...i post an C&C to learn/ improve and be inspired more.

Hi Joel,

I am one of those who were inspired by your photographs. So, keep shooting and sharing! :)

Hi Pilar- Thanks for the comment. I guess the 'look" in street photography is somewhat been favorite. As this point im still searching for my own style...

But could you give me advise what do you think is the best treatment for this kind of photo?

ok since we are back to c&c.....

in my opinion, minimal sharpening and converted to black and white would have made a better impact on me. more than the boy in the front, it's the expression of the boy in the back that makes this photo "more appealing" to me.

to the rest that plan to get their work critiqued, please take note that this should NEVER get on a personal basis. take this as a learning tool, or ignore the post completely. photography is not about right or wrong. its about personal gratification. if you are happy with your photo than that is all that matters. if you want to see if others feel the same way or want to understand why it works or does not work or want to improve on it, than have it critiqued. please understand however that not everyone will give the "correct" views or interpretations so take the advice you like and move on.

ok since we are back to c&c.....

in my opinion, minimal sharpening and converted to black and white would have made a better impact on me. more than the boy in the front, it's the expression of the boy in the back that makes this photo "more appealing" to me.

to the rest that plan to get their work critiqued, please take note that this should NEVER get on a personal basis. take this as a learning tool, or ignore the post completely. photography is not about right or wrong. its about personal gratification. if you are happy with your photo than that is all that matters. if you want to see if others feel the same way or want to understand why it works or does not work or want to improve on it, than have it critiqued. please understand however that not everyone will give the "correct" views or interpretations so take the advice you like and move on.


Hi Pilar,
I would like to apologize for such manner i answered Jay Jallorina's replies... i didnt mean to brought this up to the thread the bitterness i had to that guy..i could sense a deep angst in his replies....finally got another chance to pull me down again.

I know from the start what this thread is all about, and im laying down my photo to critized by brilliant Dpp members. Also i want to clarify that im not here in this thread to hear only good things...i also need valuable feedback about whats does not work and more importantly an advice what might be consider how to improve the photo being posted in the critique gallery. Sad to say Pilar, but i just loss the respect to that guy. = (

Lets continue move on and learn more!
Cheers!

Joel G.

I think this is the best comments... I also agreed and love your own style.... love your work Joel keep it up :)


Hi Buddy- the feedback i got really feed me do strive more and keep on learning.

All the best,

Joel

hi joel,

to tell you the truth- i'm loving this!! in my mind, i see the burning, more like raging passion of all involved in this "tussle"- as long as you guys don't take it outside wth baseball bats and stuff-hahahahahaha.

in all seriousness, i find this healthy in the long run because i see us doing everything to prove something and that will only improve our photography. about copying, my belief is you will unconsciously, subconsciously and consciously "copy" people that you admire. you will ultimately grow out of it once you gain confidence and some measure of credibilty from your peers. there was a time in my life, when in the middle of a nasty snowstorm, i waited for 4 hours for the great YOUSUF KARSH to emerge from his studio at the CHATEAU LAURIER (hotel) in ottawa just to see what he was wearing. my wife thought that i just lost all my marbles when the next morning, i came home wearing a heavy trenchcoat and a fedora that i bought from GOODWILL (ukay ukay)- just to look like KARSH!! like i said, i kissed the ground that he walked on.

on critiques- rise above what you don't want to hear. maybe even do what the critics suggest you do instead and soon you will find out that just like all the people that you copy, their views will ultimately help your photography.

let me tell you this- i have photographed with you on several occasions and i can say without any reservation that you are one of the finest young photographers i have ever met.

YOU'LL GO A LONG WAY BABY!!



Uncle Basil- like i posted lately...i already said my point. Back to my photo. your story about the POV angle is such a very meaningful insight, which i could stored in my memory head. Hope youre still there to c&c my next photo.

See you in photoworld.

Joel G.

Guys.. Use ND8 filter to turn it down 2-4 stops...hehehe...For me...i know its been done so many times on the PP part...but as long as it's how you want to interpret it....its fine with me....


Cez/Phey- Im ok now. back to regular programming. Lets focus on whats more important.:)Thanks for the note.

Hi Joel,

I am one of those who were inspired by your photographs. So, keep shooting and sharing! :)


Hi Jeruel- Thank you. We are all here for the love of photography. = )

i read it joel. and i understand you.

if you feel that way, i can't help it. i just gave you a straightforward critique.

even back then, when you were just asking us questions and our opinions about your shots...even before OA1...during our first EBs....i told you the SAME THINGS. i gave the same criticisms. and you'd disagree and yet everything is all right. no problems. you do your thing and it makes you happy.

i don't fathom why you have to interpret this now as me "bringing you down." i am saying nothing new. you don't have to call me names or give negative traits to the critique....

"...deep angst..."
"...pull me down..."
"...loss respect..."

please read my first critique. you will find it not so dissimilar to what Pilar and David initially said. but why are you singling me out?

i won't mind you again. everyone who knows you personally knows you have a hard time with negative criticism. i actually don't mind your posts anymore, but since you placed it here in C & C, i thought i might as well see if you can take it already. sad to say, no.

i apologise for this. you are a very good photographer. very raw talent with so much potential for great things. im sorry you had to lose respect for me because i gave a dissenting view on your approach to image making.

good luck and god speed!

i read it joel. and i understand you.

if you feel that way, i can't help it. i just gave you a straightforward critique.

even back then, when you were just asking us questions and our opinions about your shots...even before OA1...during our first EBs....i told you the SAME THINGS. i gave the same criticisms. and you'd disagree and yet everything is all right. no problems. you do your thing and it makes you happy.

i don't fathom why you have to interpret this now as me "bringing you down." i am saying nothing new. you don't have to call me names or give negative traits to the critique....

"...deep angst..."
"...pull me down..."
"...loss respect..."

please read my first critique. you will find it not so dissimilar to what Pilar and David initially said. but why are you singling me out?

i won't mind you again. everyone who knows you personally knows you have a hard time with negative criticism. i actually don't mind your posts anymore, but since you placed it here in C & C, i thought i might as well see if you can take it already. sad to say, no.

i apologise for this. you are a very good photographer. very raw talent with so much potential for great things. im sorry you had to lose respect for me because i gave a dissenting view on your approach to image making.

good luck and god speed!


Old friend - I'll make it clear to you. CRITIQUE is FINE. Dont be ignorant about whats going on between me and you lately.

I know this is not the right venue. But dont you get it...im trying to ignore you. Your critique is fine but you keep on papansin when i post...

...... and this crap i don't fathom why you have to interpret this now as me "bringing you down." INOSENTE LANG ANG NAGTATAKA.

3 WORDS Jay! LEAVE ME ALONE.

Hope this is the last. So others can go back for the critique.

http://www.eyefetch.com/p/5a/670278-3c08537e-6040-43f1-b3a0-6472a9927f51.jpg

Just want to share: TY = )


http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2283/2265690551_9b2551bbf2_o.jpg

Remember the first thread of this forum? the one that says, " Critique Forum - What it is" by Nick Tuazon... try reading it again guys...

Have a great day!

Wow! This is a really controversial thread!

Just to add my two cents, I really don't know what this fuss is all about. Aside from a few tiny flaws (just a tad bit too over sharpened - kids head looks a bit like skateboard griptape) THIS IS AN AWESOME PHOTOGRAPH!

HATS OFF TO YOU JOEL. Absolutely stunning. Very emotional. The kid in the back totally makes this photo. I don't know if you just got lucky with him/her popping up from behind the kid in front, but you nailed it!

Forget the negative comments. "Prefer b&w". Who cares? "Streetkids overused". Who cares? They're absolutely subjective comments and won't help you improve your photography.

Congratulations on an stunning photograph! I'm really looking forward to seeing more of your work! I'd love to meet you someday and learn a few things.

Wow! This is a really controversial thread!

Just to add my two cents, I really don't know what this fuss is all about. Aside from a few tiny flaws (just a tad bit too over sharpened - kids head looks a bit like skateboard griptape) THIS IS AN AWESOME PHOTOGRAPH!

HATS OFF TO YOU JOEL. Absolutely stunning. Very emotional. The kid in the back totally makes this photo. I don't know if you just got lucky with him/her popping up from behind the kid in front, but you nailed it!

Forget the negative comments. "Prefer b&w". Who cares? "Streetkids overused". Who cares? They're absolutely subjective comments and won't help you improve your photography.

Congratulations on an stunning photograph! I'm really looking forward to seeing more of your work! I'd love to meet you someday and learn a few things.



Wow I havent seen that your replied Patrick... Thank you! This photo made it... in the front of DIGITAL CAMERA website. So Cool!:)