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willy_palacios 09-12-2006, 10:38 AM I forgot i still have these RCA plugs when i was still into building my own amps. I had sch. from altec, marantz, BGW etc. thanks to clark when it was still flourishing with PX ;D
http://aycu28.webshots.com/image/3307/2003592583645905105_fs.jpg
http://aycu21.webshots.com/image/2460/2003588639144746898_fs.jpg
http://aycu05.webshots.com/image/3724/2003591357960457005_fs.jpg
http://aycu24.webshots.com/image/3383/2003574156180917160_fs.jpg
Jimmy Rosaria 09-24-2006, 04:04 AM hey willy.. nice to know meron din pala audio fantics d2 :) nice RCA plug anyway :)
i also have a simple set up from here http://www.pbase.com/bridgebolt/audiovideo_setup
im sure member ka rin ng wiredstate :)
Derick_Gamboa 09-24-2006, 05:54 AM http://www.pbase.com/manilaman04/image/12940842/medium.jpg
My Dream TT. ClearAudio Master Reference
Willy, Jimmy, standing up to be counted! btw, have you visited the Alabang Audio Fair?
Jimmy Rosaria 09-24-2006, 05:58 AM hey derick.. before lagi ako nasa audio fair.. kaya lng wala na me sa pinas kaya nde na me makpunta..
Derick_Gamboa 09-24-2006, 06:06 AM hey derick.. before lagi ako nasa audio fair.. kaya lng wala na me sa pinas kaya nde na me makpunta..
Jimmy, Believe me, it sounds "musically" the same!! We're having one right now in Alabang. Some sort of 1st efforts for hobbyists this side of the City. On November, the annual Mandarin gig's worth the trip to Manila!:)
dinolara 09-24-2006, 07:12 AM Let me share my Clearaudio.
http://www.storybook.ph/clearaudio.jpg
dinolara 09-24-2006, 07:13 AM Unify Arm with Dynavector 20X
http://www.storybook.ph/unify.jpg
Earl Gonzalez 09-24-2006, 07:58 AM Guys... This is another passion which is hard to mix with photography due to wallet constraints... :D
Sau_Potonia 09-24-2006, 10:19 AM Poor man's Audio
http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/2965/img6733ng4.jpg
Sau_Potonia 09-24-2006, 10:37 AM http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/8310/img6720pp4.jpg
reynald.ngo 09-25-2006, 09:27 AM Wiredstate. Present!
Sau, I have a Diamond too. :)
Marton_Benitez 09-25-2006, 09:34 AM Guys... This is another passion which is hard to mix with photography due to wallet constraints... :D
We should have ones that are free! :Grin: I will stick to eating! :D
Earl Gonzalez 09-25-2006, 10:06 AM We should have ones that are free! :Grin: I will stick to eating! :D
Actually Marton... Being an audiophile for us carlovers is quite different... And I won't start on the Fosgates, Vegas, Quarts, Nakamichis, Precision powers, Phoenix Gs, earthquakes--stuffs etc. and all those Kickers again... :D
Jimmy Rosaria 09-25-2006, 10:28 AM hahaha.. oo tama parang photography din ang audiophile.. nde ka makuntento sa pag upgrade :)
willy_palacios 09-25-2006, 04:23 PM I used to be involve with those mobile sound systems & I love to build audio systems & speker baffles. I used to have a Technics SL1200 MK2 which i recently exhange with my friends Yamaha 5.1 amp + JBL 5.1 speakers but i havent had the chance to set it up yet :D
One time we had to setup a system here in hk costing around $hk700K & that's just an amp, CD palyer ( 3 layers) & bookshelf speakers only. the speaker wire's were like $hk2K/ meter - talk about photography being expensive :D
I still have about 5 of those sony mini- Hi-fi's stacked somewhere two of which are FH-7MKII.
BTW nice setup you've got there, I see you still have lot's of LP collections. some still fetch a good price at ebay.:)
hey willy.. nice to know meron din pala audio fantics d2 nice RCA plug anyway
i also have a simple set up from here http://www.pbase.com/bridgebolt/audiovideo_setup
im sure member ka rin ng wiredstate
Jimmy Rosaria 09-25-2006, 09:43 PM sayang bakit mo pinalit yung technics mo.. legendary na yun.. daming nag hahanap nun.....
how much is $hk700k in peso or dollar? audiophile is aslo toys for big boys.. you can go up to million basta malalim bulsa mo.. :)
i spent 1200$ just for my amp using el34 tube amp :)
Marton_Benitez 09-25-2006, 09:55 PM Actually Marton... Being an audiophile for us carlovers is quite different... And I won't start on the Fosgates, Vegas, Quarts, Nakamichis, Precision powers, Phoenix Gs, earthquakes--stuffs etc. and all those Kickers again... :D
Hahaha yes it is extremely draining, hence i left out the audio in my car and just relied on the engine for in-car entertainment :D Haha I used to dream of those Focal Polyglass seps :D
Derick_Gamboa 09-25-2006, 11:01 PM sayang bakit mo pinalit yung technics mo.. legendary na yun.. daming nag hahanap nun.....
Willy, I'll have to go with jimmy on this. You should have kept your Technics. Inspite of having a Clearaudio for those, "Audiophile" 180 gram collectibles, Duran Duran, 7th Avenue, Banana rama, sounds better with my Sony+Shure TT. Funny how honest and being correct with the "sound" of CA makes 80's music sound different. i'd always go for the Technics with 80's dance music:) :)
http://www.pbase.com/manilaman04/image/12948212/medium.jpg
Today's playlist..........
Jimmy Rosaria 09-26-2006, 12:33 AM nice Lp you got there.. nora and alison.. one of my fav..
anyway... parang lumilipat na mga wiredstate d2 ahhh... heheheh
here my cheapest but hard to beat sounding insignia carbon speaker...
http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/8948/insigniaya7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
willy_palacios 09-26-2006, 09:37 AM it was a hard choice for me & i have kept it so many years after 80's boom in legendary Music. It was just sitting idle & corrosion could creep in & leakage of components can happen. It even came in with an AT155-LC head **sigh**
I realy like the sounds of the 80's & I still have most of the artist of that time though now in digital format. I guess we really have to move on...
@Jimmy with that price now that $700K is about P4.5M, roughly the same price of what i'm holding now :D
Willy, I'll have to go with jimmy on this. You should have kept your Technics. Inspite of having a Clearaudio for those, "Audiophile" 180 gram collectibles, Duran Duran, 7th Avenue, Banana rama, sounds better with my Sony+Shure TT. Funny how honest and being correct with the "sound" of CA makes 80's music sound different. i'd always go for the Technics with 80's dance music:) :)
Today's playlist..........
dan de jesus 09-26-2006, 05:07 PM Let me share my other hobby also...Analog Audio
Please see my Avatar....VPI-TNT w/ inverted bearing and clear acrylic platter, JMW arm with Clearaudio Concerto Cartridge..
Earl Gonzalez 09-26-2006, 05:11 PM Let me share my other hobby also...Analog Audio
Please see my Avatar....VPI-TNT w/ inverted bearing and clear acrylic platter, JMW arm with Clearaudio Concerto Cartridge..
I see it... I like it... :Grin:
Jimmy Rosaria 09-26-2006, 07:29 PM Let me share my other hobby also...Analog Audio
Please see my Avatar....VPI-TNT w/ inverted bearing and clear acrylic platter, JMW arm with Clearaudio Concerto Cartridge..
makasabat lng ha.. heheh nde ba dapat pang wiredstate yang avatar mo :)... pero cool :) ang ganda ng TT mo :)
willy_palacios 10-07-2006, 01:16 PM ... pero cool ang ganda ng TT mo
errrrr parang ang weird pakinggan ano hehehe :D:Grin:
BTW for those that didn't know, TT stands for Turn Table (record player) :)
Earl Gonzalez 10-07-2006, 01:51 PM makasabat lng ha.. heheh nde ba dapat pang wiredstate yang avatar mo :)... pero cool :) ang ganda ng TT mo :)
For greenminded-looseheaded folks this would be hilarious... :D hehehehehehe
Jimmy Rosaria 10-08-2006, 12:59 AM hahaha... ganun ba.. :)
willy_palacios 02-07-2007, 10:29 AM Audio-Buff
I Luv my Tunes
http://www.photo.net.ph/albums/userpics/10783/IMGP1311.JPG
http://www.photo.net.ph/albums/userpics/10783/IMGP1301.JPG
etchie_pingol 02-28-2007, 06:56 AM http://i5.pbase.com/o6/46/658846/1/74938126.rPMVelco.jazz.jpg
pwede pasali, i hate to create a separate thread eh. anyway, played around with the stack of jazz cds i got in the mail (sabay-sabay dumating) :)
Derick_Gamboa 02-28-2007, 07:29 AM It's free to dream right? Here's what i will buy when i grow up.:Grin:
http://www.pbase.com/manilaman04/image/69313465/original.jpg
Derick_Gamboa 02-28-2007, 07:31 AM Here's the "Man" adjusting my TT.
http://www.pbase.com/manilaman04/image/70378365/large.jpg
nino_carandang 02-28-2007, 07:33 AM i thought when i read "The Man", Jo Avila was tinkering in audio electronics.
Derick_Gamboa 02-28-2007, 07:34 AM Here's my dream turntable, the CLEARAUDIO MASTER REFERENCE.
http://www.pbase.com/manilaman04/image/12941383/large.jpg
Derick_Gamboa 02-28-2007, 07:37 AM i thought when i read "The Man", Jo Avila was tinkering in audio electronics.
Oh no....in the Audio world the master "tweekers" are much much more senior than Sir Jo......."The Man" ........short for MAN-tandang Mama.:D
Derick_Gamboa 02-28-2007, 07:42 AM So far the biggest disaster in my gear was when our house cleaner was instructed by my wife to clean my audio room. She broke the stylus in my Cleaudio Titanium. :( :( I've never felt so weak in my knees. Just to give you an idea, it felt like going up the empire state bldg with your hard earned DSLR, and accidentally dropping it OFF the bldg.
http://www.pbase.com/manilaman04/image/71581443/large.jpg
carlo_mendoza 02-28-2007, 08:22 AM OMG! I remember my dad taking care of his audio-technica needles (is it the right term) for his Thorenz phonograph way back in the 80's.
At home, we just have a simple setup of solid state amp + tube pre-amp + 20-bit CD player that has served us for ages already (dad isn't to high-end audio anymore)
moiseslua 02-28-2007, 09:15 AM Hold on, who among you are WS members?
I'll start along with this thread - dogears here :)
@WillyP, that's a very cool looking headphones! Pls do register at www.wiredstate.com if you are not yet a member :P Thanks.
willy_palacios 02-28-2007, 09:49 AM Here's the "Man" adjusting my TT.
sorry to hear about your TT stylus, i can feel you in this one :Shock:
thanks moiseslua, i'll look into that :)
Derick_Gamboa 02-28-2007, 11:16 AM Hold on, who among you are WS members?
I'll start along with this thread - dogears here :)
@WillyP, that's a very cool looking headphones! Pls do register at www.wiredstate.com if you are not yet a member :P Thanks.
@Moises - WS - Manilaman:)
@ Willy - happened before Christmas last year. Got my new Titanium :Grin:
moiseslua 02-28-2007, 12:22 PM Ikaw pala yan Manilaman :) Sorry to hear about your stylus :( The worst part is you can't complain :D
Derick_Gamboa 02-28-2007, 12:30 PM Ikaw pala yan Manilaman Sorry to hear about your stylus :( The worst part is you can't complain
.....and you can't KILL anyone either!!! :Angry: :Sick:
moiseslua 02-28-2007, 12:56 PM Ang puso mo! :D
jeannegyoung 02-28-2007, 01:10 PM dogears, sinar here :Grin:
moiseslua 02-28-2007, 01:24 PM To share:
http://www.filehigh.com/files/001/thumbs/22004_284703_tl.gif (http://www.filehigh.com/viewimg.php?f=28607&i=284703) http://www.filehigh.com/files/001/thumbs/22004_284704_tl.gif (http://www.filehigh.com/viewimg.php?f=28607&i=284704)
http://www.filehigh.com/files/001/thumbs/22004_284705_tl.gif (http://www.filehigh.com/viewimg.php?f=28607&i=284705)
and my mobile/portable gear
http://www.filehigh.com/files/001/thumbs/22004_299588_tl.gif (http://www.filehigh.com/viewimg.php?f=28607&i=299588)
willy_palacios 02-28-2007, 02:30 PM woah! moises what phones are those? are those real wood or just systhetics? BTW has anyone tried the 410 or 510 of JBL? the design is almost like the AKG :Scared:
AlbertGoquingco 03-03-2007, 07:38 PM JL Audio
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/pagong_turtleboy/IMG_3417.jpg
AlbertGoquingco 03-03-2007, 07:39 PM http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/pagong_turtleboy/JLAudio.jpg
moiseslua 03-05-2007, 12:29 PM Hi Jeanne! :)
Hi Willy, those are the GradoGs :D I asked bon dizon of WS to make those wood thingies for me. SR80 yung model.
ricmaniquis 03-05-2007, 02:26 PM Here's the "Man" adjusting my TT.
http://www.pbase.com/manilaman04/image/70378365/large.jpg
I like! Photo AND TT.
johngabriel 06-24-2008, 12:18 AM oops...is car audio included in this thread?
RonalddelaCruz 07-11-2008, 08:48 PM my brother-in-law's
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y23/chieffy/acoustimass5series2frontview.jpg
Alan Sevilla 07-11-2008, 10:05 PM @derick
that is painful,,,I can just imagine how weak your knees got. Mind is pretty flappy reading your post.
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Its nice to see a lot of photographers into audio. I am also a lover of audio from car to home hi fi. Im one of the few guys running a player in the car w/ a bb tube glowing at the center of the head. Anyhow audio is such an expensive hobby that I always have to remind myself that music is 1st but there are companies out there that just deliver their product with such excellence that it captures your mind and heart. So many good brands its wild!!! I alwyas have a positive mood whenever I get to test equipment coz there is no perfect sound. We all have diff takes on what sound should be like so instead of being technical I really get into the vibe and just enjoy the pleasure it gives me.... Putting up a good combo is ART and there are things that sound good together and its just up to the listener to find the right components!!
here i am sound tripping to Ziggy :) huffn and puffn
http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/9112/ziggyplayinoq8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
nolan lagbao 08-25-2008, 10:39 AM my share :)
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p98/nolanlagbao/my%20shots/CSC_0025.jpg
arnoldcruz 08-25-2008, 02:21 PM AvantGarde
http://www.roadtonirvana.net/photo_gallery/TamronA0910-800px_1.jpg
moiseslua 10-15-2008, 03:13 PM Is that your 'latest' speakers Prof?
Derick_Gamboa 10-15-2008, 03:30 PM Is that your 'latest' speakers Prof?
That set is in La Vista, QC. Unless its been sold by GM.
dan de jesus 10-16-2008, 08:13 AM That set is in La Vista, QC. Unless its been sold by GM.
Oh it's already a white wall and not the color of the red bricks anymore? Well, it's been so long since I've been there, I guess it's time to visit the "Man" but wait, I promised to myself not to do any upgrade in the near future...:Grin: Really???:Grin::Grin::Grin:
Ler Perez 10-16-2008, 11:40 AM Glad to know that there are Audiophiles here.
Just want to share my budget system that I put together over time. This system helps me relax at night after a hard days' grind at the office. My record collections are 99% bought from yard sales.
Marantz TT won in ebay. Rewired with Cardas tonearm cable, RCA male plugs and ground post.
http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj106/tubbies2008/DPP/DSC_7916small.jpg
AKG P8e cartridge with X8e stylus
http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj106/tubbies2008/DPP/DSC_7985small.jpg
Bellari Tube Preamp with self-cooked (DIY) pure silver wire interconnects terminated with Neutrik ProFi RCA connectors
http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj106/tubbies2008/DPP/DSC_7937small.jpg
Dual PA-5060 Integrated Amp, Audiophile Concept
http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj106/tubbies2008/DPP/DSC_8008small.jpg
B&W 804 Matrix Floor Standing Speakers. Bi-wired by a self-cooked Canare 4s11 wires terminated with Cardas spade connectors
http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj106/tubbies2008/DPP/DSC_7924small.jpg
Ler Perez 10-16-2008, 12:09 PM Nice DIY TT and Grado HP. Which stores do you get your parts?
hey derick.. before lagi ako nasa audio fair.. kaya lng wala na me sa pinas kaya nde na me makpunta..
Alexis L. Lagura 10-16-2008, 12:17 PM @ler - ayos :Grin::Grin::Grin:
josh_coquia 10-16-2008, 12:37 PM anyone here who used the xmax car subs? are they okay? they're cheap.. @ 4500 i think for the 18 inch...
moiseslua 10-16-2008, 02:31 PM @Ler, nice shots! Visit us at www.wiredstate.com :) Cheers
Derick_Gamboa 10-16-2008, 02:38 PM Oh it's already a white wall and not the color of the red bricks anymore? Well, it's been so long since I've been there, I guess it's time to visit the "Man" but wait, I promised to myself not to do any upgrade in the near future...:Grin: Really???:Grin::Grin::Grin:
Dan, here's the "man" working on the broken CA Titanium replacement.
http://www.pbase.com/manilaman04/image/70378380/large.jpg
Derick_Gamboa 10-16-2008, 02:43 PM Here's another "Man", Robert Suchy, President of Clear Audio Germany, tuning the CA Master Reference of a friend.
http://www.pbase.com/manilaman04/image/41706983/large.jpg
Derick_Gamboa 10-16-2008, 02:45 PM Check out this rig from the reference site of CA. Awesome!!! :D
http://www.pbase.com/manilaman04/image/69313465/original.jpg
dan de jesus 10-16-2008, 02:49 PM Dan, here's the "man" working on the broken CA Titanium replacement.
http://www.pbase.com/manilaman04/image/70378380/large.jpg
@ Derick
He can still set-up properly? Wow, Titanium, I'm just using Concerto...I envy you..:)
dan de jesus 10-16-2008, 02:53 PM Here's another "Man", Robert Suchy, President of Clear Audio Germany, tuning the CA Master Reference of a friend.
http://www.pbase.com/manilaman04/image/41706983/large.jpg
Wow, what can I say, Robert, the "another Man" himself who set up the TT??? Well, I guess the price for the setup, Hotel accomodation, plane fare, etc. is already included in the price of Master reference..:Grin::Grin::Grin:
dan de jesus 10-16-2008, 02:59 PM Check out this rig from the reference site of CA. Awesome!!! :D
http://www.pbase.com/manilaman04/image/69313465/original.jpg
Oh my look at the set-up as if a showroom of Clearaudio!!! :Grin:
Ler Perez 10-17-2008, 08:24 AM Thanks Moises and thank you for the invitation. I Just got registered.
@Ler, nice shots! Visit us at www.wiredstate.com (http://www.wiredstate.com) :) Cheers
JunLizaso 11-28-2008, 08:21 PM looks like audio and photography is a good combo hehehe...
http://crum.pl/e6ki
Angelo de Dios 09-13-2009, 05:05 PM My DJing head gear.
Sennheiser HD280 pro.
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2460/3914436227_ff004fd78f.jpg
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2531/3915220204_aec458922b.jpg
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2636/3915219974_6743a15bb4.jpg
Angelo de Dios 09-13-2009, 05:16 PM Technics SL-1200 MK3D (M3D)
customized/modified
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2448/3874659334_3e54710cbc.jpg
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2478/3873873107_8affb15691.jpg
willy_palacios 09-13-2009, 11:36 PM I miss my SL1200 MKII with AT155LC head :(
specially when I saw a lot of records still being sold here in HK
Angelo de Dios 09-14-2009, 04:04 AM I miss my SL1200 MKII with AT155LC head :(
specially when I saw a lot of records still being sold here in HK
I know how it felt Willy. I had a pair of MK3 back in the early 90s. Then I decided to sell them in 1998 when I stopped DJing and because I focused on home theater and car audio. But in 2000, I missed spinning and the feel of the 1200. I just had to get a pair again. Now I specialize in Technics custom works. From repaints, calibration, custom designs, parts replacements and other modifications.
I'm sure you can find a good 2nd hand pair in HK fr a good price.
By the way, here are some of the decks I have done.
http://nicadraus.multiply.com/photos/album/16/Technics_refurbish_documented_pics
Cheers! :)
Angelo de Dios 09-14-2009, 04:14 AM Alesis RA300
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2491/3916199003_b188bbd77f.jpg
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2520/3916986232_9489ff730a.jpg
KRK ST8
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2590/3916196843_12cb629b1e.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3451/3916983908_c87939dd1d.jpg
Bart Montinola 12-15-2009, 06:49 AM Bro! Shot naman ng DJ's booth mo! :-D
Bart Montinola 12-15-2009, 06:49 AM http://img109.imageshack.us/img109/6888/speakerpcblue.jpg
By bartmonti (http://profile.imageshack.us/user/bartmonti), shot with NIKON D700 (http://profile.imageshack.us/camerabuy.php?model=NIKON+D700&make=NIKON+CORPORATION) at 2009-12-14
My el-cheapo computer monitors :-D
Bart Montinola 12-15-2009, 06:51 AM http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/5159/axiomspeaker.jpg
By bartmonti (http://profile.imageshack.us/user/bartmonti), shot with NIKON D700 (http://profile.imageshack.us/camerabuy.php?model=NIKON+D700&make=NIKON+CORPORATION) at 2009-12-14
Axioms
Bart Montinola 12-15-2009, 06:52 AM http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/262/amp01.jpg
By bartmonti (http://profile.imageshack.us/user/bartmonti), shot with NIKON D700 (http://profile.imageshack.us/camerabuy.php?model=NIKON+D700&make=NIKON+CORPORATION) at 2009-12-14
My Creek 4330 budget amp.
moiseslua 12-15-2009, 09:07 AM ^Uy, nice! I am also using Axiom speakers - M3Tis :)
Angelo de Dios 12-16-2009, 01:54 AM http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/262/amp01.jpg
By bartmonti (http://profile.imageshack.us/user/bartmonti), shot with NIKON D700 (http://profile.imageshack.us/camerabuy.php?model=NIKON+D700&make=NIKON+CORPORATION) at 2009-12-14
My Creek 4330 budget amp.
Ganda ng amp mo bro! ganda din ng shot! :)
Bart Montinola 12-16-2009, 01:58 AM Puro stains nga lng yung glass kaya blurry yung reflection. Luma na kasi. Hahaha!
Thanks Bro! :)
MelMasalunga 12-22-2009, 12:51 AM for my room with bookshelf Acoustic Energy Aegis ONE
http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll77/chef_mel/For%20Sale%20Items/DSC_2181.jpg
Angelo de Dios 05-08-2010, 04:45 PM Native Instruments Audio 4 DJ interface
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4069/4588109339_2049f14a63.jpg
:)
marcomariano 01-17-2012, 12:15 PM solo hd + ipod 4th gen
http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6239/6346265726_5a10978e9f_z.jpg
Jimmy Rosaria 01-18-2012, 10:22 AM So far the biggest disaster in my gear was when our house cleaner was instructed by my wife to clean my audio room. She broke the stylus in my Cleaudio Titanium. :( :( I've never felt so weak in my knees. Just to give you an idea, it felt like going up the empire state bldg with your hard earned DSLR, and accidentally dropping it OFF the bldg.
http://www.pbase.com/manilaman04/image/71581443/large.jpg
OMG disaster
Jimmy Rosaria 01-18-2012, 10:26 AM buhay pa pala ito thread na ito :)...
btw my recent setup... no upgrade since 3 years ago
watch and enjoy
DIY follow focus and slides - YouTube
willy_palacios 01-18-2012, 02:15 PM wow Cool setup there, what's the TT again?
Jimmy Rosaria 01-20-2012, 11:27 AM Pro-ject RPM genie turntable
paeng joaquin 01-20-2012, 06:26 PM http://i608.photobucket.com/albums/tt161/tiyo_paeng/bose.jpg
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